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Doses and how often you use mate?
Usually once a week, Friday night when I go out with my mates. I usually take 1 or 2g. I had a period of like 3 months when I havent took any and I didn't really feel negative effects.
Once a week shouldn't cause withdrawals so you did a good job, did you read about the withdrawals before deciding to use? I've just been taking it everytime I have a date (like 3 times a week) and my doses are 1-2 grams. On the third day off (today) it's terrible
I haven't specifically read about them, however, mate that gave it to me told me I shouldn't take them more than once a week.
I took 60G of phenibut per day before. Look up my previous posts about Phenibut. It's not the withdrawals that are the worst part. The pure addiction is the worst part. Not wanting to stop taking it as your tolerance rises because it makes you feel so different. And obviously not wanting to end up dealing with withdrawals. Seriously look up my posts about Phenibut.
Bro I used xanax once and I can't remember anything I said while on it. I just remember feeling zero inhibition and saying retarded shit to people
60 grams? Wtf. Link to the threads man
Yeah when taking Xanax inhibition really is at zero, however, in my experience, it just helps me to connect to people and make the conversation flow. It is probable that I took a smaller dosage than you.
I just gave my advice about it here a few times. I'm pretty sure my profile is open for anyone to view. And yeah I was taking tablespoons out of a 1KG FAA tub. It'll be best for you to go through the withdrawals, which really aren't hell on earth, and not touch it again. Clonazepam withdrawal is hell on earth even if you miss 1 day of a prescribed dose.
Bro phenibut allowed me to talk to girls without going full on panic mode, which is what happens every single time. Without it I would still be a virgin. I love this drug
I don't mean to be disrespectful but taking it once a week literally won't happen. That's what I said to myself. It'll take years for it to get out of hand. The start is the honeymoon phase and everything seems okay.
It's because you'd never want to not take Phenibut. Maybe celebs could take Phenibut and not want to take it again but that's because it doesn't change their hope and perspective on life in a positive way. If you could take Phenibut 1 time per week, at the exact same dose, until you die (80y+), I would literally chop off and eat my dick on livestream and give you a billion dollars. The 1 time per week regime doesn't work because your life isn't so mundane and predictable that it can be standardized like that. I don't doubt you could take it only 1 time per week for a good number of weeks. But over time it won't be just 1 day per week or predictable like that. And the dose will go up because you'll literally feel nothing over time unless you really up the dose.
I never chose to take phenibut at my job despite it involving talking to a lot of people. Why? Because I don't want to use it too often to stay sensitive to it, and don't need it for my job, i can do fine without any substances. But when it comes to talking to women i was a virgin until last month, and talking to them and escalating sexually has never been so easy with this stuff. If we assume i only use it once a week at no more than 3 grams, do you think its going to be addicting in the same way? Maybe i could cycle off one week per month also, limiting it to 3 times per month for example. I just think that having this stuff is a lifechanger and if used correctly at the right times it can be a huge net positive (like it was for me losing my inceldom) but that the low is very bad when abused.
I mean take it once a week IF AND ONLY IF something comes up that would benefit from taking it, like a date with a girl you actually like or an important job interview. That's what I'm thinking at least. And then once you've used it once that week you consciously decide to not take it again even if something important comes up. Discipline can make it work
It's just addicting because of how you perceive it. Which, in your reality is completely true. Yeah it helped me a lot at a certain time. Sacrificing my long term progress heavily and unknowingly for some expedience in the moment. It helped me talk to "Stacy's" with ease and probably helped me a good bit and creating a lot more opportune positive experiences for me at that moment. But eventually the incongruencies will show through, because you could interact with people in the way you wanted to, on Phenibut. But where's the follow through? You can't always have a "good day", or act exactly how you acted on Phenibut, without Phenibut. And in life we want everything to be better for ourselves rather than worse; that's just common sense and is hardwired into us. You'll notice that loss in "follow through" when you go and do something without Phenibut, that you initially did with it. And that reason will make you take Phenibut for more and more things. The tolerance to the dose also builds up so fast and you will never feel like you did when you took the first dose. It's not just a matter of not "feeling as good as the first time"; it's the state of mind that it put you in and how it severely altered your perception in an incredibly positive way, which is probably one of the most precious feelings you can have but it's really a delusional state of mind about your objective long term prospects because with Phenibut you sacrifice long term/ non-time bound disciplines for the expedience of what Phenibut does for you at the time, how it makes you feel and how it allows you to make new connections/experiences in which you never could've done without having the altered state of mind. Over time, the incongruence between your state of mind and perceptions of your life, and your actual objective success and progression becomes very distinguished; because taking Phenibut won't allow you to just achieve all the amenities in life even though it'll make you feel like you can. Also, you won't want to go back to not ever taking it again because your mind will force you to believe that it's just worse than actually taking it, which is invariably true. But over time your Phenibut mind won't synchronize properly with your actual person and that's when problems start to become more apparent. Also, every Phenibut user believes they will never get addicted to it or break their regimented dosing. But that is just almost impossible. This isn't like any other drug. Every reason and every motion attached to "you and Phenibut" is in your case, and everyone else's case who takes it, the most deep rooted psychological condition possible because it pertains to your opportunity in this world as "you", and is seen as a catalyst/wager on your objective outcomes, without actually being a first hand force in regards to achieving those outcomes.
What I'm saying is that it CAN be used as a first hand force to the outcomes I have in life, when used as necessary. Yes I know that I would always want to feel like that, and that the person I am on phenibut isn't the same as me without it, but it's simply a boost, a tool to get you sedated and relaxed when you REALLY need it. What I'm saying to summarize is this: I swear to God I will not use this stuff more than once in any period from Monday to Sunday. And I will not use it unless it's actually needed or beneficial. Dude I appreciate the warning but do you really see no benefit to using it intelligently?
what makes it that bad ? or that good that resistance and withdrawal is a nightmare ? Can you describe the feeling?
I see the reason yeah and it's just the same as taking steroids to get jacked fast, but then realizing you just gave into temptation and ignored, or simply just couldn't perceive the long term risks, because other people's stories don't necessarily change your recognition of how it's actually working for you, right now. And that's because your first hand experience outweighs the second hand experiences of others. But the thing that all these "reddit horror stories" people don't tell you is that they also recognized Phenibut as a benefit in life until reality swept in and fucked things up, giving them the biggest wake up call ever. The impression you get from the reddit stories are that these people had "horrible experiences" from the offset, which is completely untrue. They're just too embarrassed to admit the full story so they want to sound sensational because they want to offer the warning but also want it to seem like they made a "one off mistake" rather than a continued one. I really don't want to seem like I'm coming off as a judgemental dickhead, because all I want to do is offer the real truth. I fucked up and I believed the reward outweighed the risk when taking Phenibut, for years, *responsibly*. Then I had to experience that the risk outweighed the reward, objectively and realistically, no matter how I personally felt at any given time. Lots of steroid users don't admit the risk outweighed the reward in regards to the decision they made, and share all the positives whilst ignoring the negatives. I don't care if someone uses steroids, takes Phenibut etc. And I know exactly why they act in the way they do, and why they made the decision in the first place; which I'm not being judgemental towards in any way because I understand it fully, and how each person actually thinks and perceives their situation throughout the way. But eventually, time passes and the incongruence between what you think and what you are becomes a problem. Life = Harmony, Congruence and Confluence. Actual issues/problems don't make people feel happy, and making decisions where the total risk outweighs the benefit, even if the benefit is awarded to you upfront before the consequence; create problems. But you don't think it's a problem because all you can experience at the moment is the benefit. I'm not having a go at anyone who makes such decisions, I'm just trying to give the actual real advice that will give you more net benefit in your life, instead of having to endure something which will turn against you and have to put you through suffering until you need it to stop. Once you start it's always a lot lot harder to stop than if you were to never start, because your mind's perception creates the decision that overrides everything in your reality. I've taken KILOs of Phenibut. I never got addicted to anything. Phenibut is a different type of addiction which doesn't compare to anything because it has you fooled all along until reality really hits hard. I'm glad I never decided to take steroids, but I often thought about it and stopped myself. The Phenibut I wasn't so lucky to prevent myself from making the decision but I had nobody to tell me otherwise, and luckily I still have my life.
I could do unlimited Phenibut withdrawals and not go insane. The actual withdrawals are not the worst thing. Even though they're bad, they're nothing compared to benzo withdrawals. I used to overexaggerate Phenibut withdrawals, then go back to taking it again. The withdrawal symptoms aren't the things that kill you, what kills you is that you don't want to withdraw, and the tolerance you build towards taking Phenibut is something that really sucks, because you feel like the benefit you feel from it is marginally decreasing, even if you up the dose and the frequency. Then you sort of start to acknowledge that things are getting a bit fucked, but you will naturally not acknowledge it.
I didn't say it wasn't physically addicting. But if anyone claims the physical dependency is anywhere close to the mental addiction/dependency then, THEIR MIND IS PLAYING TRICKS ON THEM.
Well, benzos are definitely stronger. But the effect I felt from xanax was not pleasant, it just felt like it drops your IQ
