What are your arguments for and against Capitalism and Communism?

[WOMENAREQUEENSNOT]

I go first,
Capitalism favors extermism, it brings both the best in people in terms of productivity and creativity and the worst in people socially, if you're lower class, you either live like a robot or starve.

Capitalism favors feminism, tradition is an enemy of capitalism, capitalism seeks to control and thus puts women on pedestral, else how could some businesses exist without marketing nude women, it's funny though that the feminists are so stupid, they only see MORE POWER/FREEDOM to Women, but not why they're trying to give you more power and freedom, it's not out of good heart, it's to have you objectify yourself, I guess anything better than serving a life sentence with sub five as a trad woman.

Communism favors tradition this one is good, communism holds the traditional values on strong standard, as such the women that grow in communist countries tend to be more feminin and less of a control freak, just don't make the mistake of opening her eyes on the west, unfortunately due to hypergamy, women constantly comparing themselves to other women, as soon as she sees how good others have it, she'll drop all traditional and moral values to the ground and go "live her life"

Communism favors laziness, let's be honest here, greed is a powerful emotion, if everyone gets their fair share, the portion of lazy people who do just enough will be huge, as such we won't have this modern life as know it today, everything will be regulated by political entities than private organizations, a lot of creations that we enjoy today won't exist and the arguments here is that we don't really need them and that we'd be happier without them, but I cannot comment on that really.

In conclusion: Natural selection seems to be doing it's course, in that it's eliminating people who are unfit for the modern life, religion/communism will soon be an outdated/foreign concept as soon as our generation dies, the new generation will be one of complete modern world.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Capitalism is the closest mankind will ever get to a perfect system. Thinking we could ever achieve something better than capitalism is arrogance and pure stupidity.

 

[WOMENAREQUEENSNOT]

Capitalism is the closest mankind will ever get to a perfect system. Thinking we could ever achieve something better than capitalism is arrogance and pure stupidity.

Not even socialism? I think best of both worlds would make sense but I'd like to read what you've to say

 

[Deleted member 19551]

Not even socialism? I think best of both worlds would make sense but I'd like to read what you've to say

He's a toothless subhuman 80 IQ hick primary school teacher with nothing of value to say

 

[Deleted member 12002]

Not even socialism? I think best of both worlds would make sense but I'd like to read what you've to say

I don't know much about Socialism. If it's got anything to do with taxing the rich more then I say no. The rich should take their wealth and leave whichever country wants to tax them more than anyone else.

Like I said, Socialism isn't something I know too much about. But if I'm not mistaken aren't Socialist countries extremely lacking when it comes to innovation? Especially when it comes to medical research?

 

[Deleted member 12002]

He's a toothless subhuman 80 IQ hick primary school teacher with nothing of value to say

You were caught giving dudes blowjobs? What?!!!

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Well there isnt a perfect example of both no country is truly capitalist and no country is truly communist

A perfect combination is a mix of capitalism and socialism

 

[Trustworthyfish]

Capitalism is privatized ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. In other words, everything is owned by private corporations instead of the people. This is bad because all the power is gove to the ruling classes, A.K.The bourgeoisie. So if you are in the upper classes life is great but if you are in the proletariat classes (the working classes) life sucks
Now the illusion is that under capitalism if you work hard enough you can become a capitalist yourself. This of course is not true. Under capitalism, you just work until you die. Any sort of profit or entertainment is reserved for the rich and powerful, while the rest of us go on with our boring lifes

 

[alpha]

where pics?

 

[Deleted member 19152]

I go first,
Capitalism favors extermism, it brings both the best in people in terms of productivity and creativity and the worst in people socially, if you're lower class, you either live like a robot or starve.

Capitalism favors feminism, tradition is an enemy of capitalism, capitalism seeks to control and thus puts women on pedestral, else how could some businesses exist without marketing nude women, it's funny though that the feminists are so stupid, they only see MORE POWER/FREEDOM to Women, but not why they're trying to give you more power and freedom, it's not out of good heart, it's to have you objectify yourself, I guess anything better than serving a life sentence with sub five as a trad woman.

Communism favors tradition this one is good, communism holds the traditional values on strong standard, as such the women that grow in communist countries tend to be more feminin and less of a control freak, just don't make the mistake of opening her eyes on the west, unfortunately due to hypergamy, women constantly comparing themselves to other women, as soon as she sees how good others have it, she'll drop all traditional and moral values to the ground and go "live her life"

Communism favors laziness, let's be honest here, greed is a powerful emotion, if everyone gets their fair share, the portion of lazy people who do just enough will be huge, as such we won't have this modern life as know it today, everything will be regulated by political entities than private organizations, a lot of creations that we enjoy today won't exist and the arguments here is that we don't really need them and that we'd be happier without them, but I cannot comment on that really.

In conclusion: Natural selection seems to be doing it's course, in that it's eliminating people who are unfit for the modern life, religion/communism will soon be an outdated/foreign concept as soon as our generation dies, the new generation will be one of complete modern world.

Single digit IQ

 

[Sondern]

I go first,
Capitalism favors extermism, it brings both the best in people in terms of productivity and creativity and the worst in people socially, if you're lower class, you either live like a robot or starve.

Capitalism favors feminism, tradition is an enemy of capitalism, capitalism seeks to control and thus puts women on pedestral, else how could some businesses exist without marketing nude women, it's funny though that the feminists are so stupid, they only see MORE POWER/FREEDOM to Women, but not why they're trying to give you more power and freedom, it's not out of good heart, it's to have you objectify yourself, I guess anything better than serving a life sentence with sub five as a trad woman.

Communism favors tradition this one is good, communism holds the traditional values on strong standard, as such the women that grow in communist countries tend to be more feminin and less of a control freak, just don't make the mistake of opening her eyes on the west, unfortunately due to hypergamy, women constantly comparing themselves to other women, as soon as she sees how good others have it, she'll drop all traditional and moral values to the ground and go "live her life"

Communism favors laziness, let's be honest here, greed is a powerful emotion, if everyone gets their fair share, the portion of lazy people who do just enough will be huge, as such we won't have this modern life as know it today, everything will be regulated by political entities than private organizations, a lot of creations that we enjoy today won't exist and the arguments here is that we don't really need them and that we'd be happier without them, but I cannot comment on that really.

In conclusion: Natural selection seems to be doing it's course, in that it's eliminating people who are unfit for the modern life, religion/communism will soon be an outdated/foreign concept as soon as our generation dies, the new generation will be one of complete modern world.

Doesn’t really matter what people favor. The only thing that matters is reality

 

[tooLOW]

dont care about politics

 

[Foreverbrad]

Capitalism with a 100% inheritance tax sounds good to me.

 

[gymcel_retard]

3rd reich mogs them all

 

[Deleted member 11126]

I go first,
Capitalism favors extermism, it brings both the best in people in terms of productivity and creativity and the worst in people socially, if you're lower class, you either live like a robot or starve.

Capitalism favors feminism, tradition is an enemy of capitalism, capitalism seeks to control and thus puts women on pedestral, else how could some businesses exist without marketing nude women, it's funny though that the feminists are so stupid, they only see MORE POWER/FREEDOM to Women, but not why they're trying to give you more power and freedom, it's not out of good heart, it's to have you objectify yourself, I guess anything better than serving a life sentence with sub five as a trad woman.

Communism favors tradition this one is good, communism holds the traditional values on strong standard, as such the women that grow in communist countries tend to be more feminin and less of a control freak, just don't make the mistake of opening her eyes on the west, unfortunately due to hypergamy, women constantly comparing themselves to other women, as soon as she sees how good others have it, she'll drop all traditional and moral values to the ground and go "live her life"

Communism favors laziness, let's be honest here, greed is a powerful emotion, if everyone gets their fair share, the portion of lazy people who do just enough will be huge, as such we won't have this modern life as know it today, everything will be regulated by political entities than private organizations, a lot of creations that we enjoy today won't exist and the arguments here is that we don't really need them and that we'd be happier without them, but I cannot comment on that really.

In conclusion: Natural selection seems to be doing it's course, in that it's eliminating people who are unfit for the modern life, religion/communism will soon be an outdated/foreign concept as soon as our generation dies, the new generation will be one of complete modern world.

Communism is utopian these ideas came about as religion reduced because people no longer believed in a far off heaven in the next life but instead wanted to create one on earth. It failed killing 100 million people. Most leaders in communist party were power hungry sociopaths but even if they had good intentions it still would have ended up a failure.

What are my thoughts on capitalism? I don't believe the free market is the end all be all but it is usually the best short term way to organize resources and self selects for people who make better products generally. In an ideal situation the government utilizes free markets but steps in to control industries vital to national security. The problem with total free market is that companies nowadays are so influential they become like mini countries so the government has to regulate monopolies to be fair. Pretty midwit take but I think its true I also think centeral banking and money printing should be abolished.

 

[Germania]

Leftwing, socialist, communist or whatever form of government you want to call it, have never worked in history and there is not a single piece of evidence to support this. On the contrary, left-wing or socialist economic policy has in the past and also currently (Venezuela) people's living conditions always deteriorate massively, so if I'm in favor of a socialist economic system, I knowingly argue for the deterioration of people's living conditions - there is none.

I always ask myself why all the socialists in the western industrialized countries don't just emigrate to Venezuela or Cuba, they have their socialism there, not enough to eat, poverty, high crime rate, women have to prostitute themselves to survive, bad medical care, no stream of impoverishment. If socialism is the better form of economy, why don't they go there? Because it is simply better to live under capitalism, people are usually only concerned with identification, an identity these people would very quickly no longer be socialists if they were to live in a socialist country.

 

[Germania]

Capitalism with a 100% inheritance tax sounds good to me.

Not good, but you could limit it, for example extremely high percentage taxes on inheritance tax from an inheritance of one million+

 

[UglyGod360]

I've read about people saying religion will die a natural cause since the 40's, fuck outta here. Religion will continue to exist as long as religious parents keep having kids. ATHIESTS BTFO

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Travel as much as you can before every place will be the same

 

[Deleted member 15302]

Now the illusion is that under capitalism if you work hard enough you can become a capitalist yourself. This of course is not true. Under capitalism, you just work until you die. Any sort of profit or entertainment is reserved for the rich and powerful, while the rest of us go on with our boring lifes

The illusion of capitalism is that the money the rich make will trickle down thus increasing the average quality of life. Not everyone is smart enough to be a businessman. The way I see it, jobs are just the modern hunting/gathering. The money you spend represents the labor the seller provides.

Communism is a retarded concept. As soon as people start making complex trades, it will no longer be a communist society.

Lifespan of a true communist society:
1. There is no money.
2. The idea of complex trades already exists, so greedy people will immediately try to make a new economy. Whether the currency is the lunch you are given, rocks, the tools you are given for your job, it doesn't matter. People will still be able to make complex trades.
3. The greedy people that make complex trades easily outpace the communist "economy" (in quotes because there is no money), they will have more power and be able to form their own government with their businesses. Now we're back to capitalism.

And this is all under the impression that the whole world is communist. If the whole world isn't on board with communism, a single greedy country can be a capitalist society and easily become a greater economic power than any communist society.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Capitalism with a 100% inheritance tax sounds good to me.

Who would do it?

Communism favors laziness, let's be honest here, greed is a powerful emotion, if everyone gets their fair share, the portion of lazy people who do just enough will be huge, as such we won't have this modern life as know it today, everything will be regulated by political entities than private organizations, a lot of creations that we enjoy today won't exist and the arguments here is that we don't really need them and that we'd be happier without them, but I cannot comment on that really.

The human nature is not fixed but rather shaped by historical and social conditions. Under capitalism, the constant competition for individual survival and wealth accumulation leads to negative values such as competition, greed, and selfishness.

A socialist or communist society would promote positive values such as cooperation, solidarity, and mutual aid. Examples of historical societies that operated on a communal or socialist basis demonstrate that collective ownership and democratic decision-making can be successful and compatible with human nature.

Capitalism produces negative behaviors and values such as alienation, exploitation, and inequality, which are detrimental to human nature. A socialist or communist system would promote the development of human potential and allow individuals to flourish in a way that capitalism cannot.

The idea of human nature is often used to justify the status quo and discourage radical change. The idea of human nature is constantly evolving and is shaped by historical and social conditions, and therefore cannot be used as a fixed argument against the possibility of socialist or communist society.

dont care about politics

“The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”

A perfect combination is a mix of capitalism and socialism

Something like that already exists and is called social democracy/corporatism/third way. It is capitalism with high taxes. This still does not solve the problem of robbing employees by private owners, and even exacerbates it. It exacerbates the problem because the ruling class makes some concessions to the working class which delays the overthrow of the capitalist system.

Communism is utopian these ideas came about as religion reduced because people no longer believed in a far off heaven in the next life but instead wanted to create one on earth. It failed killing 100 million people. Most leaders in communist party were power hungry sociopaths but even if they had good intentions it still would have ended up a failure.

This number is taken out of the ass. A mix of victims among fascists (they deserved it!), abortions performed in those years, victims of bombing (as in the case of Cambodia) and sanctions imposed by imperialist countries, and natural disasters (as in the case of drought in the case of the Holodomor).

I always ask myself why all the socialists in the western industrialized countries don't just emigrate to Venezuela or Cuba, they have their socialism there, not enough to eat, poverty, high crime rate, women have to prostitute themselves to survive, bad medical care, no stream of impoverishment. If socialism is the better form of economy, why don't they go there? Because it is simply better to live under capitalism, people are usually only concerned with identification, an identity these people would very quickly no longer be socialists if they were to live in a socialist country.

These claims about Cuba and Venezuela are as true as those about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This is American propaganda aimed at persuading the public to bring "democracy" to those countries by dropping bombs on schools, blocks of flats and hospitals as the Yankees have a tradition of

It is enough to look at a few statistics to see how it is:

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Who would do it?


The human nature is not fixed but rather shaped by historical and social conditions. Under capitalism, the constant competition for individual survival and wealth accumulation leads to negative values such as competition, greed, and selfishness.

A socialist or communist society would promote positive values such as cooperation, solidarity, and mutual aid. Examples of historical societies that operated on a communal or socialist basis demonstrate that collective ownership and democratic decision-making can be successful and compatible with human nature.

Capitalism produces negative behaviors and values such as alienation, exploitation, and inequality, which are detrimental to human nature. A socialist or communist system would promote the development of human potential and allow individuals to flourish in a way that capitalism cannot.

The idea of human nature is often used to justify the status quo and discourage radical change. The idea of human nature is constantly evolving and is shaped by historical and social conditions, and therefore cannot be used as a fixed argument against the possibility of socialist or communist society.


“The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”


Something like that already exists and is called social democracy/corporatism/third way. It is capitalism with high taxes. This still does not solve the problem of robbing employees by private owners, and even exacerbates it. It exacerbates the problem because the ruling class makes some concessions to the working class which delays the overthrow of the capitalist system.


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This number is taken out of the ass. A mix of victims among fascists (they deserved it!), abortions performed in those years, victims of bombing (as in the case of Cambodia) and sanctions imposed by imperialist countries, and natural disasters (as in the case of drought in the case of the Holodomor).


These claims about Cuba and Venezuela are as true as those about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This is American propaganda aimed at persuading the public to bring "democracy" to those countries by dropping bombs on schools, blocks of flats and hospitals as the Yankees have a tradition of

It is enough to look at a few statistics to see how it is:

JFL

Communism is a pipe dream

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

JFL

Communism is a pipe dream

Because? Say more than a typical NPC

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Because? Say more than the typical NPC

it has never been achieved

Communism is literally on the same scale as Abrahamic religions like Christianity and Islam

 

[rand anon]

Capitalism is privatized ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange. In other words, everything is owned by private corporations instead of the people. This is bad because all the power is gove to the ruling classes, A.K.The bourgeoisie. So if you are in the upper classes life is great but if you are in the proletariat classes (the working classes) life sucks
Now the illusion is that under capitalism if you work hard enough you can become a capitalist yourself. This of course is not true. Under capitalism, you just work until you die. Any sort of profit or entertainment is reserved for the rich and powerful, while the rest of us go on with our boring lifes

 

[Deleted member 25715]

Communism is better but I'm very individualistic and would succeed more under capitalism so I choose capitalism

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Communism is literally on the same scale as Abrahamic religions like Christianity and Islam

Why? What do you mean by the word communism?

it has never been achieved

This has already been achieved. In prehistory. The example is hunter-gatherer societies.

In the communist primitive society, work was done by everyone who was capable of it, and its fruits - food obtained through hunting and gathering - were available to the entire community.

There was no private property and the means of production (tools, buildings, etc.) were publicly owned. Now humanity is heading back to communism, but with the difference that it is technologically advanced.

While it is true that no modern society has achieved a stateless, classless society on the scale of prehistoric communism, it serves as evidence that human societies have been able to organize themselves around principles of cooperation and mutual aid.

 

[tooLOW]

Who would do it?


The human nature is not fixed but rather shaped by historical and social conditions. Under capitalism, the constant competition for individual survival and wealth accumulation leads to negative values such as competition, greed, and selfishness.

A socialist or communist society would promote positive values such as cooperation, solidarity, and mutual aid. Examples of historical societies that operated on a communal or socialist basis demonstrate that collective ownership and democratic decision-making can be successful and compatible with human nature.

Capitalism produces negative behaviors and values such as alienation, exploitation, and inequality, which are detrimental to human nature. A socialist or communist system would promote the development of human potential and allow individuals to flourish in a way that capitalism cannot.

The idea of human nature is often used to justify the status quo and discourage radical change. The idea of human nature is constantly evolving and is shaped by historical and social conditions, and therefore cannot be used as a fixed argument against the possibility of socialist or communist society.


“The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”


Something like that already exists and is called social democracy/corporatism/third way. It is capitalism with high taxes. This still does not solve the problem of robbing employees by private owners, and even exacerbates it. It exacerbates the problem because the ruling class makes some concessions to the working class which delays the overthrow of the capitalist system.


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This number is taken out of the ass. A mix of victims among fascists (they deserved it!), abortions performed in those years, victims of bombing (as in the case of Cambodia) and sanctions imposed by imperialist countries, and natural disasters (as in the case of drought in the case of the Holodomor).


These claims about Cuba and Venezuela are as true as those about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This is American propaganda aimed at persuading the public to bring "democracy" to those countries by dropping bombs on schools, blocks of flats and hospitals as the Yankees have a tradition of

It is enough to look at a few statistics to see how it is:

Fuck off faggot

 

[Raskolnikovpilled]

I'm a lefty, so take a wild guess

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Fuck off faggot

a very infantile personal attack, you have no arguments​

 

[Mr. President]

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a very infantile personal attack, you have no arguments​

tell me how many years now since you glued your dildo to your chair

 

[moggathon]

Capitalism with a 100% inheritance tax sounds good to me.

that literally effects 90% of working class to middle class people retard