What are your thoughts on genetic pre-determinism?

[CMKL27]

Your IQ, which is quite literally 90% genetic, determines most of not all your life success - even your personality, and your physical attractiveness which is also genetic coming second to IQ in life fulfilment and happiness as well as how you are treated, seems to also play a massive role.

Considering this, is there any argument against the philosophy that your entire life is dependent and determined solely by genetics?

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

I just can’t believe I was pre-determined to read this dogshit thread.

 

[Godera]

Water

 

[CMKL27]

I just can’t believe I was pre-determined to read this dogshit thread.

I’ve seen worse on here. Clearly you haven’t paid attention to 98% of the posts made on this site

 

[Fusionxz]

it saddens me that I wasn't gifted with a high iq

 

[LegendaryKennen]

u guys put too much weight on IQ, the highest iq guy i know irl is like 150 something, and he works as kindergarden profession, so yeah buddy boyos

 

[moredatesmorerapes]

That's the basic level

It goes even further beyond that
I don't think we really have much free will at all

 

[CMKL27]

u guys put too much weight on IQ, the highest iq guy i know irl is like 150 something, and he works as kindergarden profession, so yeah buddy boyos

You’re thinking the wrong way around. Please, name the amounts of highly successful people you have known that have IQ’s below 95.

 

[stormspirit]

Everyone talks about genetics to pretend to be smart, but nobody has an understanding which specific genes cause inceldom or mogger experience

 

[Harold O'brien]

you are coping hard.

you have free-will and deep down you know it, but you cannot accept that you alone are responsible for all the failures in your life

 

[William Anderson]

Your IQ, which is quite literally 90% genetic, determines most of not all your life success - even your personality, and your physical attractiveness which is also genetic coming second to IQ in life fulfilment and happiness as well as how you are treated, seems to also play a massive role.

Considering this, is there any argument against the philosophy that your entire life is dependent and determined solely by genetics?

Makes no sense at all. Almost all happy go lucky people are stupid. And “success” is subjective, if being some slave coder is success to you then I guess you’d want a high IQ but I don’t want that life at all, the people I envy most are all average IQ or below

 

[vanillaicecream]

you are coping hard.

you have free-will and deep down you know it, but you cannot accept that you alone are responsible for all the failures in your life

Kys

Considering this, is there any argument against the philosophy that your entire life is dependent and determined solely by genetics?

Nope

 

[superpsycho]

Considering this, is there any argument against the philosophy that your entire life is dependent and determined solely by genetics?

life begins at elite genetics and ends at anything under that

 

[Harold O'brien]

Kys


Nope

how surprising that the 30 year old virign was triggered by this :giggle:

 

[vanillaicecream]

how surprising that the 30 year old virign was triggered by this :giggle:

No it's just logic and nature sorry, there's no mechanism that allows anyone to be self-made. Maybe study physics or biology.

 

[Harold O'brien]

No it's just logic and nature sorry, there's no mechanism that allows anyone to be self-made. Maybe study physics or biology.

logic is made up and nature is fickle. you really think the universe has hardcoded values which are impervious to change?

 

[vanillaicecream]

logic is made up and nature is fickle. you really think the universe has hardcoded values which are impervious to change?

Bro it doesn't matter you're just not in charge of how your brain processes information, things just happen and it's all a result of everything that came before it. That alone destroys free will. It's all individual brain chemistry and circumstances.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Bro it doesn't matter you're just not in charge of how your brain processes information, things just happen and it's all a result of everything that came before it. That alone destroys free will. It's all individual brain chemistry and circumstances.

and I can't be in charge of my brain chemistry or wait for - the same entity as my brain chemistry - because?

- because you've used scientific jargon and made the claim dogmatically?

 

[vanillaicecream]

and I can't be in charge of my brain chemistry or wait for - the same entity as my brain chemistry - because?

- because you've used scientific jargon and made the claim dogmatically?

You can't be in charge of your brain chemistry because there's no "you" separate from the brain, only the other alternative is correct but that doesn't give you free will because that still means you're a system doing the only thing it can do like anything else in nature. Try doing anything that doesn't align with the nature of your system. You can't.

 

[Harold O'brien]

You can't be in charge of your brain chemistry because there's no "you" separate from the brain

how do you know? you are making claims with no proof or deductive reasoning

that still means you're a system doing the only thing it can do like anything else in nature. Try doing anything that doesn't align with the nature of your system.

irrelevant tautology

your logic distilled:

i think y. x ->x therefore y is correct

 

[vanillaicecream]

how do you know? you are making claims with no proof or deductive reasoning

It's what all the evidence of neuroscience points to, literally 95% neuroscientists believe consciousness is an emergent property of the brain, if you're asking for 100% certainty or proof your epistemology is broken

your logic distilled:

i think y. x ->x therefore y is correct

Nowhere in my comment did I suggest that

 

[Harold O'brien]

It's what all the evidence of neuroscience points to, literally 95% neuroscientists believe consciousness is an emergent property of the brain, if you're asking for 100% certainty or proof your epistemology is broken

The development of consciousness must be explainable through natural selection. But a property can be selected for only if it has an effect upon organisms’ behavior. Therefore, consciousness (both qualia and intentional states) must have effects in behavior, i.e., epiphenomenalism is false. (See Popper and Eccles 1977; James 1879; Romanes 1896; Klein 2019.)

 

[Saint Casanova]

You’re thinking the wrong way around. Please, name the amounts of highly successful people you have known that have IQ’s below 95.

I know plenty of successful tradesmen with their own business who are pretty dumb conveniently. I’m guessing you’re talking more about Stem professionals ?

 

[Michelangelo]

Your IQ, which is quite literally 90% genetic, determines most of not all your life success - even your personality, and your physical attractiveness which is also genetic coming second to IQ in life fulfilment and happiness as well as how you are treated, seems to also play a massive role.

Considering this, is there any argument against the philosophy that your entire life is dependent and determined solely by genetics?

Think about forrest gump, which was inspired by real people's lives and events; life is much more than just having good genetic, which is also why we tend to value human life over anything else in these cases

 

[diditeverbegin]

Everyone talks about genetics to pretend to be smart, but nobody has an understanding which specific genes cause inceldom or mogger experience

Brother
You want people to list the specific genes?

 

[stormspirit]

Brother
You want people to list the specific genes?

That would be a great idea compared to posting watery posts over and over again

 

[diditeverbegin]

That would be a great idea compared to posting watery posts over and over again

Why? You can't mutate them + you can probably find a lot of them on Google

 

[Altruist]

almost like it's not a black and white thing, and the distinction you are talking about is as valid and grounded in "reality" as the one between good and evil

read penrose

 

[TheVoidInside]

im a genetic failure

 

[Altruist]

The development of consciousness must be explainable through natural selection. But a property can be selected for only if it has an effect upon organisms’ behavior. Therefore, consciousness (both qualia and intentional states) must have effects in behavior, i.e., epiphenomenalism is false. (See Popper and Eccles 1977; James 1879; Romanes 1896; Klein 2019.)

Roger Penrose