what i think are 2 strong arguments for god not existing [let me hear your thoughts] [READ]

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2 arguments against religion that i believe are strong (skip to bottom of text please)

The Unjust Damnation Argument
If God is perfectly loving and just, then he would not condemn people to eternal suffering for an honest mistake - especially when that mistake is based on the evidence (or lack thereof) available to them. However, many non-believers are rational, moral individuals who have simply made a reasonable decision based on the information at their disposal. If God punishes these individuals despite their good intentions and honest reasoning, then salvation is ultimately a matter of luck rather than justice. This contradicts the idea of a benevolent and fair God.

- to summarise: why would an all-loving god send good people to eternal suffering for simply making the wrong decision (eg choosing islam or atheism) when the evidence/lack of evidence means it was a perfectly justified and valid decision to make. why would an all loving god punish people for making a valid decision? he sends people to eternal suffering because they had bad luck?

• The Contradictory Religions Argument
The existence of multiple, mutually exclusive religions—each with devout followers who sincerely believe they have the absolute truth—undermines the credibility of any specific religion. If divine revelation were real, we would expect clear, universal agreement rather than conflicting doctrines. Since religions like Christianity and Islam cannot both be true, at least one must be false. But if one deeply entrenched religious tradition can be false, this increases the likelihood that allare the result of human culture rather than divine truth. The conflicting nature of religious claims suggests that no single religion has a monopoly on truth—making it far more plausible that God, as described by these religions, does not exist at all.

to summarise: both muslims and christian’s can’t both go to their paradise. if they both could then there wouldn’t be contradictions and all the muslims could just switch to christianity, a less strict religion. this suggests that one of these religions has to be incorrect. both have a lot of devout followers, religious texts, arguments to prove their religion. if one of these religions isn’t true, which one has to be, then that means the religion is false and all the devout followers, religious texts and arguments for its existence fall apart. none of it is real. if this can apply to one religion (eg islam) then it can apply to christianity too. therefore both religions can ultimately be untrue.


!! just want to say that i don’t intend for this to be an attempt to disrespect anyone’s beliefs. these are just my views. i respect people for having their own beliefs and following different religions - especially if it helps them. id just like to hear anyone’s thoughts on these and i will reply in a understanding and reasonable manner ✌️(scroll up to top of the text)
 
debating religion is like trying to clean a pool that is getting filled with a truckload of bullshit every 5 minutes

religious people can keep inventing rationalizations for any counterargument you have against them on the fly, it never ends
 
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debating religion is like trying to clean a pool that is getting filled with a truckload of bullshit every 5 minutes

religious people can keep inventing rationalizations for any counterargument you have against them on the fly, it never ends
very true. people are never willing to accept that they are incorrect on something as big as religion. first reason is that in accepting that there’s no god they will become scared as i personally think god is a coping mechanism for a lot of people. people are scared of not having answers or the thought of existence ending. 🤷
 
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If God is perfectly loving and just, then he would not condemn people to eternal suffering for an honest mistake
He doesnt - He gives them time to repent and will accept sincere repentance.
especially when that mistake is based on the evidence (or lack thereof) available to them.
There is evidence, which evidence would even convince you that it comes from God?
Maybe there is evidence but you're ignoring it?
many non-believers are rational, moral individuals
How do you determine what is moral and immoral?

God determines what is moral and immoral since He made everything and Hes the Judge
If God punishes these individuals despite their good intentions and honest reasoning, then salvation is ultimately a matter of luck rather than justice.
If they are honest and sincere and die on it, they will tested separately on the Day of Judgement,
but most people are arrogant liars unfortunately:sleep:
God has given EVERYONE natural inclination that there is Something above us that is Eternal, All-Powerful
The existence of multiple, mutually exclusive religions—each with devout followers who sincerely believe they have the absolute truth—undermines the credibility of any specific religion
You can research through them to come to a conclusion that there is only one true religion.
Such as the reliability of the scripture, who it was written by and if there any manuscripts dating back to the time etc.
If divine revelation were real, we would expect clear, universal agreement rather than conflicting doctrines.
God does things the way He wants, not the way that Humans want it to be done.
God sent Revelation since the 1st Man but humans changed it later.
Anyway, they all agree that a Supreme Creator and Authority (that is One) exists.
As well as an Afterlife.
Since religions like Christianity and Islam cannot both be true, at least one must be false. But if one deeply entrenched religious tradition can be false, this increases the likelihood that allare the result of human culture rather than divine truth.
They both agree that God is One. But Christians of today have introduced the idea the idea of trinity which didnt exist untill 300 years after Jesus left Earth.

Christianity wasnt preached by Jesus Christ so you could say it is man made. It came after Jesus

However, Islam can be traced back to the Founder which is a strong point for it against all other religions.
 
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He doesnt - He gives them time to repent and will accept sincere repentance.

There is evidence, which evidence would even convince you that it comes from God?
Maybe there is evidence but you're ignoring it?

How do you determine what is moral and immoral?

God determines what is moral and immoral since He made everything and Hes the Judge

If they are honest and sincere and die on it, they will tested separately on the Day of Judgement,
but most people are arrogant liars unfortunately:sleep:
God has given EVERYONE natural inclination that there is Something above us that is Eternal, All-Powerful

You can research through them to come to a conclusion that there is only one true religion.
Such as the reliability of the scripture, who it was written by and if there any manuscripts dating back to the time etc.

God does things the way He wants, not the way that Humans want it to be done.
God sent Revelation since the 1st Man but humans changed it later.
Anyway, they all agree that a Supreme Creator and Authority (that is One) exists.
As well as an Afterlife.

They both agree that God is One. But Christians of today have introduced the idea the idea of trinity which didnt exist untill 300 years after Jesus left Earth.

Christianity wasnt preached by Jesus Christ so you could say it is man made. It came after Jesus

However, Islam can be traced back to the Founder which is a strong point for it against all other religions.
Islam is the weakest religion. They believe in the events of the New Testament but follow the Quran, despite the New Testament stating that any books or religions that comes after revelations is to be ignored as it is false. So that’s the Qurans first contradiction. Also they say that Jesus was not killed on the cross and that he’s not God, despite all of the biblical Evidence of Jesus’s death on the cross. As well as Jesus stating that him and the Father are of the same essence.
 
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Islam is the weakest religion.
:lul:
They believe in the events of the New Testament but follow the Quran,
No they dont, they only believe in what is in line with the Quran if it is and reject what isnt in the Quran
despite the New Testament stating that any books or religions that comes after revelations is to be ignored as it is false.
They dont believe in the New Testament, they believe in the Revelation that was given to Jesus (Injeel).

Did Jesus have or preach the New Testament in his time?
Also they say that Jesus was not killed on the cross and that he’s not God, despite all of the biblical Evidence of Jesus’s death on the cross.
The Quran says it looked like he was killed.
What will history say if it looks like he died? That he died right?
As well as Jesus stating that him and the Father are of the same essence
Bible verse?
I and the Father are one.” John 10:30
It doesnt say they have the same essence. That is just your interpretation using trinitarian lens.

The Bible also says that disciples are one with Jesus like how Jesus is one with the Father.
Does that mean the disciples are also god?
 
the biggest argument against religion is the sole existence of incels
 
2 arguments against religion that i believe are strong (skip to bottom of text please)

The Unjust Damnation Argument
If God is perfectly loving and just, then he would not condemn people to eternal suffering for an honest mistake - especially when that mistake is based on the evidence (or lack thereof) available to them. However, many non-believers are rational, moral individuals who have simply made a reasonable decision based on the information at their disposal. If God punishes these individuals despite their good intentions and honest reasoning, then salvation is ultimately a matter of luck rather than justice. This contradicts the idea of a benevolent and fair God.

- to summarise: why would an all-loving god send good people to eternal suffering for simply making the wrong decision (eg choosing islam or atheism) when the evidence/lack of evidence means it was a perfectly justified and valid decision to make. why would an all loving god punish people for making a valid decision? he sends people to eternal suffering because they had bad luck?

• The Contradictory Religions Argument
The existence of multiple, mutually exclusive religions—each with devout followers who sincerely believe they have the absolute truth—undermines the credibility of any specific religion. If divine revelation were real, we would expect clear, universal agreement rather than conflicting doctrines. Since religions like Christianity and Islam cannot both be true, at least one must be false. But if one deeply entrenched religious tradition can be false, this increases the likelihood that allare the result of human culture rather than divine truth. The conflicting nature of religious claims suggests that no single religion has a monopoly on truth—making it far more plausible that God, as described by these religions, does not exist at all.

to summarise: both muslims and christian’s can’t both go to their paradise. if they both could then there wouldn’t be contradictions and all the muslims could just switch to christianity, a less strict religion. this suggests that one of these religions has to be incorrect. both have a lot of devout followers, religious texts, arguments to prove their religion. if one of these religions isn’t true, which one has to be, then that means the religion is false and all the devout followers, religious texts and arguments for its existence fall apart. none of it is real. if this can apply to one religion (eg islam) then it can apply to christianity too. therefore both religions can ultimately be untrue.


!! just want to say that i don’t intend for this to be an attempt to disrespect anyone’s beliefs. these are just my views. i respect people for having their own beliefs and following different religions - especially if it helps them. id just like to hear anyone’s thoughts on these and i will reply in a understanding and reasonable manner ✌️(scroll up to top of the text)
@TrveShortcel :lul:
 
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debating religion is like trying to clean a pool that is getting filled with a truckload of bullshit every 5 minutes

religious people can keep inventing rationalizations for any counterargument you have against them on the fly, it never ends

They can, but not effectively. (Debate is still useless though). At some point it's just obvious that what they're saying is moronic delusional sophistry. e.g. "God allows evil because he needs to allow free will." Okay why is free will above God? There's no reasonable answer to this.
 
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The Divine Essence isn’t morally obligated to do anything, actually…….
 
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"God allows evil because he needs to allow free will.
Bruh, this life is a Test to reveal the true character of a person.

If God removed evil every time it happened then everyone would have died a long time ago.
 
Bruh, this life is a Test to reveal the true character of a person.

If God removed evil every time it happened then everyone would have died a long time ago.
no? if god removed evil we would all be living a better life.
 
2094291 judgement day
 

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