What is your idea of "True Love", and do you think it's achievable?

[greycel]

I do agree (in today's age) most relationships start off heavily transactional. But to say that true love cannot be achieved is untrue. It's a line you cross beyond a certain point in time

I would class 'True Love' as when you choose to be with somebody regardless of any transactional benefit. For example, if you lose your limbs in the war and your wife stays with you. Or your wife unfortunatley develops Alzheimers and cannot recall anything, yet you choose to look after her 24/7. That's a situation that would involve true love

Now obviously, majority of people will be unlikely to be in a position to prove that your love is true. But most couples grow to possess it.
Part of it also is dependent on the character/maturity of the individuals, which is why it comes through with age.

What is your idea of "True Love", and do you think it's achievable?

@h111 @Sprinkles @Zenis @autistic_tendencies

 

[shizuku11111]

true love for me is when she can be ur friend, mother, girlfriend, mother for ur kids and optimistic

 

[notsocommonthumb]

love always finds a way

 

[Zenis]

I do agree (in today's age) most relationships start off heavily transactional. But to say that true love cannot be achieved is untrue. It's a line you cross beyond a certain point in time

I would class 'True Love' as when you choose to be with somebody regardless of any transactional benefit. For example, if you lose your limbs in the war and your wife stays with you. Or your wife unfortunatley develops Alzheimers and cannot recall anything, yet you choose to look after her 24/7. That's a situation that would involve true love
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Now obviously, majority of people will be unlikely to be in a position to prove that your love is true. But most couples grow to possess it.
Part of it also is dependent on the character/maturity of the individuals, which is why it comes through with age.

What is your idea of "True Love", and do you think it's achievable?

@h111 @Sprinkles @Zenis @autistic_tendencies

true love = a delisounal kind of doing anything for the other person no matter what kind of love.

like a mothers love for her child, that's one good example of true love a different kind of love but still love.

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[theonewhorisesabove]

What is your idea of "True Love", and do you think it's achievable?

Achievable? Sure. Achievable for me? Probably but I doubt it. I'm going to live a fast life anyway

 

[greycel]

Achievable? Sure. Achievable for me? Probably but I doubt it. I'm going to live a fast life anyway

It requires effort. The more you put in, the more you'll exponentially get out

 

[h111]

It does exist, just extremely rare and hard to find. These days all you see on social media is hookup culture being promoted, and usually both men and women see it at young ages and get influenced quickly (due to being at a young age). In the US particularly, its harder to find true love than ever, but it doesnt mean its impossible.

I can definitely say it isnt either men or womens fault that true love doesnt exist, its both

 

[Zenis]

I do agree (in today's age) most relationships start off heavily transactional. But to say that true love cannot be achieved is untrue. It's a line you cross beyond a certain point in time

I would class 'True Love' as when you choose to be with somebody regardless of any transactional benefit. For example, if you lose your limbs in the war and your wife stays with you. Or your wife unfortunatley develops Alzheimers and cannot recall anything, yet you choose to look after her 24/7. That's a situation that would involve true love
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Now obviously, majority of people will be unlikely to be in a position to prove that your love is true. But most couples grow to possess it.
Part of it also is dependent on the character/maturity of the individuals, which is why it comes through with age.

What is your idea of "True Love", and do you think it's achievable?

@h111 @Sprinkles @Zenis @autistic_tendencies

i dont belive most men can experience true love from thier romantic partner only from their mother, the only men that do are chad men imo, a womens love for chad comes second after a womens love for their child. unless its a just be first kind of the thing or she sees that man as a chad in her eyes. (for example a girl seeing some tall white normie as a chad in her eyes)

then its a huge hugeee gap like abnormally large gap between that and their so called "love" for oofy doofy who they date.

 

[CookieGuy]

i dont belive most men can experience true love from thier romantic partner only from their mother, the only men that do are chad men imo, a womens love for chad comes second after a womens love for their child. unless its a just be first kind of the thing or she sees that man as a chad in her eyes. (for example a girl seeing some tall white normie as a chad in her eyes)

then its a huge hugeee gap like abnormally large gap between that and their so called "love" for oofy doofy who they date.

A woman’s love for chad is not true love, your statement is contradictory

 

[craven]

I cant love her if she is not Virgin
So basically impossible love because women are fucking whores

 

[Sprinkles]

I’m too much of a psychopath to answer this.

idgaf a fuck about love

I’d cheat on my girl without second thought

 

[greycel]

i dont belive most men can experience true love from thier romantic partner only from their mother, the only men that do are chad men imo, a womens love for chad comes second after a womens love for their child. unless its a just be first kind of the thing or she sees that man as a chad in her eyes. (for example a girl seeing some tall white normie as a chad in her eyes)

then its a huge hugeee gap like abnormally large gap between that and their so called "love" for oofy doofy who they date.

I would argue Chad is more transactional than HTN/Chadlite.
Chad is where looks get noticed by strangers in public everytime you pass everyone. This constant reminder would force the girl into seeing the relationship transactionally where he provides looks
Because that's what he's largely reduced to

I think most guys can experience True Love, because beyond her being attracted, a higher looks level actually becomes a deterrant/distraction to achieving this goal.

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

i dont belive most men can experience true love from thier romantic partner only from their mother, the only men that do are chad men imo, a womens love for chad comes second after a womens love for their child. unless its a just be first kind of the thing or she sees that man as a chad in her eyes. (for example a girl seeing some tall white normie as a chad in her eyes)

then its a huge hugeee gap like abnormally large gap between that and their so called "love" for oofy doofy who they date.

This is some incel shit, everyone has a equal chance at true love

 

[Zenis]

This is some incel shit, everyone has a equal chance at true love

nigga do you realize how bluepilled and soy like you sound? no not everyone does and just fucking stupid to think so

 

[gymcel64]

As @Zenis said I think the only true love that actually exists in this world is a mothers love for her children, that is the definition of the purest love, unconditional and eternal. I sadly do not think unconditional and eternal love is possible in a romantic relationship, I myself have certain conditions for giving out my "love".

 

[CookieGuy]

I would argue Chad is more transactional than HTN/Chadlite.
Chad is where looks get noticed by strangers in public everytime you pass everyone. This constant reminder would force the girl into seeing the relationship transactionally where he provides looks
Because that's what he's largely reduced to

I think most guys can experience True Love, because beyond her being attracted, a higher looks level actually becomes a deterrant/distraction to achieving this goal.

MTN and MTB + HTN and HTB couples will forever mog in terms of love. Also subhuman and subhuman

 

[Zenis]

I would argue Chad is more transactional than HTN/Chadlite.
Chad is where looks get noticed by strangers in public everytime you pass everyone. This constant reminder would force the girl into seeing the relationship transactionally where he provides looks
Because that's what he's largely reduced to

I think most guys can experience True Love, because beyond her being attracted, a higher looks level actually becomes a deterrant/distraction to achieving this goal.

i think looks are the biggest thing that causes that spark, that love, so i disagree. the better looking you are = the more likley. Looks create love is my opinion.

a women being truley attracted to you, that primal type of love without any kind of transaction is the true love

 

[greycel]

nigga do you realize how bluepilled and soy like you sound? no not everyone does and just fucking stupid to think so

It's not a black or white thing man
That's what @Sprinkles does too. If you aren't pessimistic and looks prioritised in every single area of life, then you have to be a bluepilled soy

 

[Zenis]

It's not a black or white thing man
That's what @Sprinkles does too. If you aren't pessimistic and looks prioritised in every single area of life, then you have to be a bluepilled soy

its just wrong, not everybody has a similar chance. also saying "thats sound incel like" is very bluepilled and normie like, this is a incel fourm i dont know what this dude expects

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

nigga do you realize how bluepilled and soy like you sound? no not everyone does and just fucking stupid to think so

Well maybe once you're no longer insecure and stop victimizing yourself and finally open up to reality you will realize that everyone is capable of experiencing true love once you overlook all of their flaws

 

[greycel]

MTN and MTB + HTN and HTB couples will forever mog in terms of love. Also subhuman and subhuman

Agree, beyond that stuff becomes superficial
And LTN/LTB tend to not have the best characters, due to mild negative reinforcement throughout their lives

 

[CookieGuy]

nigga do you realize how bluepilled and soy like you sound? no not everyone does and just fucking stupid to think so

He’s sorta right… looksmaxxing isn’t for getting true love tho, it’s for finding meaning and appreciation for yourself. It’s for your ego, so you feel like a man, so you feel worth something in a life where you feel kicked to the curb. Anyone who says they looksmax for women is lying, they are always trying to fill the deep void of depression inside of them, because they have nothing deep down to love about themselves, they need the one thing that would give them true confidence, the way they look. Hardmaxxing, softmaxxing, whatever you do. It’s so you feel like someone who matters

 

[CookieGuy]

Agree, beyond that stuff becomes superficial
And LTN/LTB tend to not have the best characters, due to mild negative reinforcement throughout their lives

I definitely agree

 

[Zenis]

Well maybe once you're no longer insecure and stop victimizing yourself and finally open up to reality you will realize that everyone is capable of experiencing true love once you overlook all of their flaws

yeah your just trolling i can tell

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

He’s sorta right… looksmaxxing isn’t for getting true love tho, it’s for finding meaning and appreciation for yourself. It’s for your ego, so you feel like a man, so you feel worth something in a life where you feel kicked to the curb. Anyone who says they looksmax for women is lying, they are always trying to fill the deep void of depression inside of them, because they have nothing deep down to love about themselves, they need the one thing that would give them true confidence, the way they look. Hardmaxxing, softmaxxing, whatever you do. It’s so you feel like someone who matters

He really thinks that looksmaxing is going to fill the gap to his insecurities little does he know that he is in for a rude awakening

 

[greycel]

its just wrong, not everybody has a similar chance. also saying "thats sound incel like" is very bluepilled and normie like, this is a incel fourm i dont know what this dude expects

It isn't wrong, everybody does have a similar chance because it's all subjective
Beyond the attraction required for a girl to get into a relationship with you, does any more really matter?
You might feel an initial spark, but those relationships are not deeper

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

yeah your just trolling i can tell

You've been trolling your whole life I can tell

 

[Zenis]

It isn't wrong, everybody does have a similar chance because it's all subjective

but it isnt subjective, its mostly objective.

Beyond the attraction required for a girl to get into a relationship with you, does any more really matter?
You might feel an initial spark, but those relationships are not deeper

yeah it does it really does in my opinion.

 

[CookieGuy]

He really thinks that looksmaxing is going to fill the gap to his insecurities little does he know that he is in for a rude awakening

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No, it definitely helps a shit ton. But your depression will never go away, you will end up like Bojack horseman handsome yet dead inside even though he gets to experience opportunities and pleasures in life. “One day you will wake up and realize “”Everyone loves you!”” But nobody likes you”

 

[R@m@]

Its when youre high on ectasy

 

[whotthehell]

I don't know but I still think about that girl I passed by, yesterday, in that eye exchange I've found love, her face was like a symphony to my eyes, it just lighted me up, made me alert, but I let her be, go her way, because what I'm gonna do, she went her way, I went mine

 

[theonewhorisesabove]

but it isnt subjective, its mostly objective.

yeah it does it really does in my opinion.

Looks start out subjective and they can become objective. However this logic is stupid because as long as there is a form of subjective reasoning there will also be an objective outlook regardless of what the topic is. You could be good looking to one out of two girls and then there is a guy who looks objectively good so both girls will find him attractive? Does this means true love isn't obtainable, of course not. I doubt your even going to get a girl that you love at first but with time you will learn to love that person. So you saying true love doesn't exist sounds like an excuse for you to not try to improve your life

 

[greycel]

I don't know but I still think about that girl I passed by, yesterday, in that eye exchange I've found love, her face was like a symphony to my eyes, it just lighted me up, made me alert, but I let her be, go her way, because what I'm gonna do, she went her way, I went mine

You lose absolutely nothing from asking her out
Just go up to her with calm confidence, introduce yourself, and shoot your shot

"She's" fundamentally a genderless soul inhabiting a woman's body, similar to how our genderless souls are inhabiting these Earthly men bodies

 

[Zenis]

Looks start out subjective and they can become objective. However this logic is stupid because as long as there is a form of subjective reasoning there will also be an objective outlook. You could be good looking to one out of two girls and then there is a guy who looks objectively good so both girls will find him attractive? Does this means true love isn't obtainable, of course not. I doubt your even going to get a girl that you love at first but with time you will learn to love that person

yeah the dudes whos objectivly better looking then you has the much higher chance of finding true love, i dont know how hard that is to grasp, their is levels to attraction. i never unobtainable i said unlikely for most men. Well i disgaree with that, the only girl ive ever loved is one i loved from a first glance

 

[autistic_tendencies]

True love is unconditional without any expectations
From what I see all couples these days eventually break apart which leads me to believe it’s not currently achievable for most
Expect couples that maybe met in high school

 

[Zenis]

You lose absolutely nothing from asking her out
Just go up to her with calm confidence, introduce yourself, and shoot your shot

"She's" fundamentally a genderless soul inhabiting a woman's body, similar to how our genderless souls are inhabiting these Earthly men bodies

he risks an ego damage, i refuse to ask any women or even attempt to talk to women due to the fact i just dont want to get rejected, rejection fucks me up badly so i reject myself before anybody rejects me

 

[whotthehell]

You lose absolutely nothing from asking her out
Just go up to her with calm confidence, introduce yourself, and shoot your shot

"She's" fundamentally a genderless soul inhabiting a woman's body, similar to how our genderless souls are inhabiting these Earthly men bodies

Yes, I do regret it now, At that moment I thought it's too crowded, it's too weird, I am going out of shopping mall she's going inside. I am high inhib

 

[greycel]

Looks start out subjective and they can become objective. However this logic is stupid because as long as there is a form of subjective reasoning there will also be an objective outlook regardless of what the topic is. You could be good looking to one out of two girls and then there is a guy who looks objectively good so both girls will find him attractive? Does this means true love isn't obtainable, of course not. I doubt your even going to get a girl that you love at first but with time you will learn to love that person. So you saying true love doesn't exist sounds like an excuse for you to not try to improve your life

I don't think @Zenis understands everything is subjective
Even stuff you might say that is relative to society, is due to a collective of people's subjective

When it comes to relationships, it's the most about "you" and "me". Opinions from 3rd parties will influence, how you were raised, what your childhood was like... all those things have shaped you, and your subjective framework

 

[greycel]

he risks an ego damage, i refuse to ask any women or even attempt to talk to women due to the fact i just dont want to get rejected, rejection fucks me up badly so i reject myself before anybody rejects me

But they are humans worth of equal value. We all are just souls playing a part
If you dettach yourself from humanity, and social stigma... you won't have a problem being low-inhib to just ask

 

[The Dark Phoenix]

oh yeah baby its achievable

 

[Zenis]

I don't think @Zenis understands everything is subjective
Even stuff you might say that is relative to society, is due to a collective of people's subjective

When it comes to relationships, it's the most about "you" and "me". Opinions from 3rd parties will influence, how you were raised, what your childhood was like... all those things have shaped you, and your subjective framework

the thing in the righ side of our brain that were born with that can tell if someone attractive within a 13 millasecond span, even as a a legit baby, even babies can realize a person is attarctive. thats what creates that true primal love.

some things do adjust yeah of course but at the end of the day it really is mostly objective, actually its completly objective beauty is completly objective. attraction is a bit more subjective but still mostly based around the objective beauty.

 

[Zenis]

But they are humans worth of equal value. We all are just souls playing a part
If you dettach yourself from humanity, and social stigma... you won't have a problem being low-inhib to just ask

not equal value, not everyone is equal. if you don't know your place in society you will be reminded. but its hard to just detach yourself, aka full ego death espieclly for people in this community who suffer from bdd and any kind of negative reinfomrcnet would screw them over even more

 

[Daddy's Home]

Mirin thread, tag me as well in the future if you will make similar threads, and I will try to come with a W feedback

What is your idea of "True Love"​

I suppose that's when everything works in your relationship, and there is maximum satisfaction from both of you. But for that to happen, both partners need to have a secure attachment type. But when it works, you feel you can do absolutely anything with that partner.

It's like you have total freedom, but you're also in a relationship. You understand each other through looks and facial gestures alone. You will never argue in a serious nature, and you will never be angry with each other.

Respect, satisfaction and attraction is at an all time high for both partners. And this state is permanent, and will only get better (at least that will come from the woman if you do the right thing. In this equation, only you can screw things up by your own will)

Fortunately for us men, women have the maternal instinct, and they tend to exercise it in the couple's relationship.

This means that they will always love you inside of them (if you do the right thing on your part), and they will always verbalize and manifest this outside (if you do the right thing on your part), being very affectionate and caring for you and taking care of you and your condition in general, so you don't have to do much in that direction if you don't want to and don't feel it, and most of it will come from her

do you think it's achievable?​

It is, and it's relatively easy to do. You saw my parentheses above with "if you do the right thing on your part''?

Well, that's the magic of making things happen. All women see you as an investment. If they are willing to invest in you (they like you and they show it) from that point on 99% of it is up to you if they will really love you or not.

How do you do that? Well, just by ''proving to them'' that their investment in you was not a mistake. So simple and easy..

The problem now is the ''proving to them'' factor, which I could write hundreds of sentences about, but I won't. But I'll give the broad outlines. What you basically have to prove to them is that you can keep them safe and comfortable.

Basically you have to protect them from external factors, while entertaining them in everyday life, keep them entertained, that way they will want to be engaged with you all the time.

This entertainment factor is very important as it greatly helps their sex drive, because it keeps their cortisol very low and relieves stress. You'll basically have to be a ''clown'' and a ''comedian'' to make them laugh and have a good time all day.

Not really in the real clown and comedian way, but communicating a lot with her, being very ironic, making a lot of jokes out of random things in everyday life, so basically coloring her life, no matter what the weather is outside.

That's about it in a nutshell..

 

[greycel]

Brilliant response thank you man, I'll definitely be tagging you in future threads!

I liked how you said they see you "as an investment". I think that's 100% correct. Also the maternal instincts is very true.
I was just curious about two things.

Respect, satisfaction and attraction is at an all time high for both partners

You said the "attraction" is at an all time high, but isn't the "honeymoon" period normally at the start, where physical attraction dominates the hardest. Where she will be most attracted to you

Not really in the real clown and comedian way, but communicating a lot with her, being very ironic, making a lot of jokes out of random things in everyday life, so basically coloring her life, no matter what the weather is outside.

Is joking around with her frequently ideal?
Women like guys who have mystery initially. That's what turns them on the most. Guys who talk too much are often put on the sidelines
When you're in a relationship, if you're joking around about everything it becomes a more "friends" vibe than bf/gf. I think jokes should be exchanged but that mystery element should still be kept alive. For example, some women really like when they've known their bf for years but he surprises them with something they didn't know he knew. Example: he plays the piano/ he knows how to speak Russian

I think having a nonchalant masculine vibe with a playful attitude with your girl is ideal

 

[Daddy's Home]

You said the "attraction" is at an all time high, but isn't the "honeymoon" period normally at the start, where physical attraction dominates the hardest. Where she will be most attracted to you

This is not the case.

People don't change physically drastically from one day to the next. The changes are small and you basically understand them and you unconsciously condition yourself to live with them (that's why a guy for ex at 50-60 years old can still be intimate with his wife of the same age, even if he or you in your 20s if you guys saw her naked at that age of hers, none of you would see her as attractive, given that she's just a grandmother with shit collagen and all the rest of the bad things that come with aging), so that sex life and attraction in general is never lost.

But for that to happen you both need to always be lean/skinny, and generally take care of your appearance and have skin/hair protocols against aging. These things you do both out of respect for yourself and for your partner to always remain attracted to you, even as you age, know that you have always always tried your best from that point of view.

Instead, when that attraction is most often lost (from the fact that you mentioned the honeymoon phase) is when one partner starts to neglect themselves (boys put on weight, wash less often, take less care of their hair/skin, shave less often, do less sport, have less energy, so they also perform less well sexually, and girls shave less often, take less care of their hair and put on more pounds) and this comes as a conclusion for when respect and satisfaction in the relationship decreases (basically when you as a man no longer do what I explained in the first replay, for whatever reason).

But if you, as a man, do what's right, the relationship will be very smooth throughout its duration, regardless of age, children, etc.

Is joking around with her frequently ideal?
Women like guys who have mystery initially. That's what turns them on the most. Guys who talk too much are often put on the sidelines
When you're in a relationship, if you're joking around about everything it becomes a more "friends" vibe than bf/gf. I think jokes should be exchanged but that mystery element should still be kept alive. For example, some women really like when they've known their bf for years but he surprises them with something they didn't know he knew. Example: he plays the piano/ he knows how to speak Russian

I think having a nonchalant masculine vibe with a playful attitude with your girl is ideal

You're absolutely right. You probably misunderstood me. You're starting from the idea that you're just joking with her from the beginning, and also throughout the relationship, which is false, or rather, partially true.

To reach the level of being able to joke and be ironic with her, you have to earn her respect. To do this, you have to make the first point I listed above on the first replay, which is to prove to her that you can keep her ''safe'', and this word ''safe'' is an extremely, extremely big word..

''Safe'' is practically the whole part of this image:

But in short, you also have to be a serious person when you need to be, intelligent, etc. before you can open up with the jokes, irony, etc. part.

This will earn her respect, and from that point on you can do practically anything with her (be open with her, joke around, etc.), but you will always have to be aware and know when to switch to full focus/serious mode.

As I said in the first replay, hundreds of sentences can be written, that's why I didn't elaborate on this in the first replay..

 

[floopmaxxed]

I cant love her if she is not Virgin
So basically impossible love because women are fucking whores

retard ahh nigger. are you a virgin? if not gtfo, and even if you are still gtfo for being corny

 

[craven]

retard ahh nigger. are you a virgin? if not gtfo, and even if you are still gtfo for being corny

HOPE YOUR MOM GETS RAPED TO DEATH IN FRONT OF YOU NIGGER
YOU DESERVE ETERNAL TORTURE USED UP WHORE SLUT GO ROPE

 

[R@m@]

Its when im rolling on mdma