what procedures can even be used to halo the mouth area

[MD_Hopeful69]

i already have a good mouth area but want an even better one

i heard bimax can widen the lips a lil bit

my fullness is already good

 

[Deleted member 3043]

lateral commisuroplasty

 

[MD_Hopeful69]

lateral commisuroplasty

my width is 55 mm already and I dont want to get scars

 

[MD_Hopeful69]

my hope is the bimax will add a few mm

 

[Deleted member 3043]

my width is 55 mm already and I dont want to get scars

there are some pdo threads, and fillers/botox to get better lips shape

 

[Deleted member 5818]

bimax makes mouth wider? mirin

 

[Deleted member 6892]

mse for lips is legit

bimax makes mouth wider? mirin

i believe its because it brings it forward so its an illusion

 

[Mr.cope]

cupids bow surgery

 

[Deleted member 439]

my width is 55 mm already and I dont want to get scars

Whats your
Mouth:Bigonial width
Mouth:Nose
Mouth:Intercanthal
Mouth:Facial Fifths
Upper:lower lip
Chin: Philtrum
Upper:Lower+Chin

If you are gonna do surgery take time to properly calculate and understand these ratios

 

[Deleted member 5583]

lateral commisuroplasty

Terrible advice, the scars look like shit and surgery and recovery isn't needed for something small like that which can easily be softmaxxed.

Get a microstomia prevention splint appliance OP, can yield a good result over months.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Get a microstomia prevention splint appliance OP, can yield a good result over months.

don't last.

 

[Deleted member 5583]

don't last.

Even if some reversal just keep using it I'm sure a significant % of gain is permanent and maintenance using the appliance isn't a big deal

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Even if some reversal just keep using it I'm sure a significant % of gain is permanent and maintenance using the appliance isn't a big deal

the side effect of naso fold is concerning but not insane, the issue is that it doesn't go, while the results mostly go away when you stop.

 

[LastHopeForNorman]

Terrible advice, the scars look like shit and surgery and recovery isn't needed for something small like that which can easily be softmaxxed.

Get a microstomia prevention splint appliance OP, can yield a good result over months.

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link where i can buy it ?
I have small mouth

 

[Deleted member 5583]

link where i can buy it ?
I have small mouth

Facial Flex - Adult Microstomia Prevention Appliance-CR4050

www.craniorehab.com

 

[MD_Hopeful69]

there are some pdo threads, and fillers/botox to get better lips shape

i heard fillers and botox will make u look gay lol

 

[Deleted member 3043]

i heard fillers and botox will make u look gay lol

it's all about the way and where and how much you inject. if you inject it has to be ONLY on the corners to give a better shape, NEVER to enhace the thickness.

 

[Deleted member 3679]

RAMIEREI OR PAGNONI!!!

 

[hairyballscel]

Mouth:Bigonial width

Mouth:Intercanthal
Mouth:Facial Fifths

jfl never heard of these

 

[Deleted member 439]

jfl never heard of these

Its basically a better version of mouth to nose ratio. Mouth to nose was based on neoclassical canons developed during the renaissance for painters to paint attractive faces. Since this is based on ideal proportions, the mouth:nose ratio assumes that the nose is the already ideal width. However, for many people the nose is fucked which changes the mouth:nose ratio

Neoclassical canons state that nose should be 1/5th facial length (confirmed by anthropological ideals that alar base should be 1/5th of full facial length). Also, the Intercanthal width should be equal to alar base. So its better to check the mouth against these measurements aswell. If the mouth:nose is <1.618, but its 1/5th facial length we can conclude that its a fault of the alar base rather than nose.

Tbh, its autistic for normal looksmaxers. But if you want to do surgery these are essential measurements.

 

[hairyballscel]

Its basically a better version of mouth to nose ratio. Mouth to nose was based on neoclassical canons developed during the renaissance for painters to paint attractive faces. Since this is based on ideal proportions, the mouth:nose ratio assumes that the nose is the already ideal width. However, for many people the nose is fucked which changes the mouth:nose ratio

yhh this is my case tbh, my nose is wide asf

Neoclassical canons state that nose should be 1/5th facial length (confirmed by anthropological ideals that alar base should be 1/5th of full facial length)

facial length as in eyebrows to upper lip? because mine is like 78, making my ideal alar base 15mm which is insanely small

Also, the Intercanthal width should be equal to alar base. So its better to check the mouth against these measurements aswell. If the mouth:nose is <1.618, but its 1/5th facial length we can conclude that its a fault of the alar base rather than nose.

FUCK, my ratios are so fucked,
intercanthal is 37mm, pfl is 31, alar base is 43 and bizygo is 132
over for me tbh

Tbh, its autistic for normal looksmaxers. But if you want to do surgery these are essential measurements.

thanks for these, you should make a thread compiling all of these essential ratios

 

[Deleted member 439]

yhh this is my case tbh, my nose is wide asf

facial length as in eyebrows to upper lip? because mine is like 78, making my ideal alar base 15mm which is insanely small

FUCK, my ratios are so fucked,
intercanthal is 37mm, pfl is 31, alar base is 43 and bizygo is 132
over for me tbh

thanks for these, you should make a thread compiling all of these essential ratios

My bad, 1/5th would be better described as width rather than length.

Btw, can you double check your bizygomatic length?

in the database I use for automatic measurements, 132 would be less than 5th percentile

If you are using the pupil method, Make sure to only measure the pupil not the limbus

The limbus is 120px, and pupils are 107px. If you measured the pupil+limbus your Bizygomatic would be
1.12*132= 148 which would make much more sense

 

[Need2Ascend]

the Intercanthal width should be equal to alar base

Is more important for foids tbh, for males alar base is usually slightly wider on average (like 3mm) and average ratios are usually most harmonious, wanted to make a thread about intercanthal:nose width ratio ngl. My nose is 7mm wider sadly, if there only was a way to increase intercanthal distance(and IPD as a consequence) I had Chico-harmony, I cope that chewing can maybe increase it slightly over a long period of time, there seems to be no other way naturally

 

[Deleted member 439]

Is more important for foids tbh, for males alar base is usually slightly wider on average (like 3mm) and average ratios are usually most harmonious, wanted to make a thread about intercanthal:nose width ratio ngl. My nose is 7mm wider sadly, if there only was a way to increase intercanthal distance(and IPD as a consequence) I had Chico-harmony, I cope that chewing can maybe increase it slightly over a long period of time, there seems to be no other way naturally

yeah I agree with u. Masculine faces are okay with slightly larger nasal width since the robust and dimorphic features can make up for slight harmony flaws. But it depends on your facial index and how masc you look.

I think more imporant is that the oral commisures line up with the limbus. That is basically considering PFL aswell as mouth width. But intercanthal width should still be similar to the facial fifths.

 

[hairyballscel]

My bad, 1/5th would be better described as width rather than length.
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Btw, can you double check your bizygomatic length?
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in the database I use for automatic measurements, 132 would be less than 5th percentile

If you are using the pupil method, Make sure to only measure the pupil not the limbus
View attachment 959233
The limbus is 120px, and pupils are 107px. If you measured the pupil+limbus your Bizygomatic would be
1.12*132= 148 which would make much more sense

okay i keep on getting different measurements, i might need to invest in a device to properly measure this tbh

thanks for this bro, very helpful

 

[Deleted member 439]

okay i keep on getting different measurements, i might need to invest in a device to properly measure this tbh

thanks for this bro, very helpful

you can send me your pics, I can test it with a software and manually. dm me

Studies have found measurements with 2d images as accurate than IRL measurements, imo a device to measure is not ideal if you are measuring yourself
This virtual measuring method is very effective https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165587611000280
Accurate enough that it can be used for forensic science

To be completely honest though, even without proper calibration its okay. We care more about ratios than absolutes.
If your Bizygomatic width is 150mm, and bigonial width 125 and you calibrate it wrong that you get a result of 75mm and 62.5mm, the bigonial:bizygomatic ratio would still be 83% in both cases.

 

[hairyballscel]

you can send me your pics, I can test it with a software and manually. dm me

i trust you but im paranoid tbh, i might send it another time

Studies have found measurements with 2d images as accurate than IRL measurements, imo a device to measure is not ideal if you are measuring yourself
This virtual measuring method is very effective https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165587611000280
Accurate enough that it can be used for forensic science

To be completely honest though, even without proper calibration its okay. We care more about ratios than absolutes.
If your Bizygomatic width is 150mm, and bigonial width 125 and you calibrate it wrong that you get a result of 75mm and 62.5mm, the bigonial:bizygomatic ratio would still be 83% in both cases.

okay thanks, imma try get my ratios off some pics, thanks again