What weights must a beginner be able to lift for it to have “begun” for him?

[thecel]

What weights must a beginner be able to lift for it to have “begun” for him?

No point to lift weights if one’s initial 1RM stats are too low. If one’s strength base is too weak, we say “it never began”

My standing overhead press (military press) 1RM is 36.28 kg | 80 lb. Did it begin? Or is this a “never-began”-tier strength base?

 

[Foreverbrad]

I agree, my initial 1rm were pathetic and my lifts stalled irrecoverably at comparatively pathetic numbers even with roids.

I think you can reasonably hope to 3x what you begin with.

In your case your starting number is good, you could possibly ohp 2 plates some day. I started not being able to press the bar and became permanently stuck at 50kg no matter what drugs, diet or training program I used.

 

[Constantin Denis]

when you first start it doesn't matter how much you can. Even if you can ony lift the bar on bench press. What matters is bone structure. Do you look naturally atheltic ?

 

[TeenAscender]

tbh i think your response to training matters more than initial orm, i had a fat friend whose first bench max was 95lbs but then in 2 months it near doubled to 185, now he benches 275 9 months later

 

[Deleted member 16530]

I know people who have shit lifts but they still have an aesthetic body.
Your lift numbers won’t decide if it’s over for you necessarily.

Just workout my guy Don’t bring yourself down for no reason

 

[TrestIsBest]

I know people who have shit lifts but they still have an aesthetic body.
Your lift numbers won’t decide if it’s over for you necessarily.

Just workout my guy Don’t bring yourself down for no reason

True. Strength doesn’t equal size

 

[Deleted member 14677]

form matters the most when u first begin lifting

start light to build good technique

 

[Baldingman1998]

First master form. Then 2x body weight. Then 3x. Then 5x(if you train for 5years + with elite genetics)

 

[Tonymontana]

True. Strength doesn’t equal size

Anytime somebody says this, I know they have no idea what the fuck theyre talking about.

Strength to a massive degree absolutely equals size. No matter how much volume you do, or how much you pump your muscles, you aint getting big unless you get a LOT stronger.

No this doesnt mean you have to bench, squat, deadlift, or do 1-3 rep maxes. It means your main focus is to get stronger on all the exercises you do like rows, curls, shoulder press, lat pulldowns, etc in the 5-12 rep range. NOT "feel" the muscle, or do endless sets in the gym.

 

[TrestIsBest]

Anytime somebody says this, I know they have no idea what the fuck theyre talking about.

Strength to a massive degree absolutely equals size. No matter how much volume you do, or how much you pump your muscles, you aint getting big unless you get a LOT stronger.

No this doesnt mean you have to bench, squat, deadlift, or do 1-3 rep maxes. It means your main focus is to get stronger on all the exercises you do like rows, curls, shoulder press, lat pulldowns, etc in the 5-12 rep range. NOT "feel" the muscle, or do endless sets in the gym.

If

Anytime somebody says this, I know they have no idea what the fuck theyre talking about.

Strength to a massive degree absolutely equals size. No matter how much volume you do, or how much you pump your muscles, you aint getting big unless you get a LOT stronger.

No this doesnt mean you have to bench, squat, deadlift, or do 1-3 rep maxes. It means your main focus is to get stronger on all the exercises you do like rows, curls, shoulder press, lat pulldowns, etc in the 5-12 rep range. NOT "feel" the muscle, or do endless sets in the gym.

Maybe if you are natty

 

[Deleted member 15698]

There's no such point you absolute mentalcel. If you are incredibly genetically inferior, that is all the MORE reason to lift

Imagine if you spent the effort you spend coping in the gym

 

[Deleted member 15698]

Also, your ohp 1rm is average to above average for a fresh novice.

Very odd to know your ohp 1rm as a non lifter though

 

[Tonymontana]

If

Maybe if you are natty

Most IFBB pro bodybuilders focus on progressive overload/strength as their main training style now. Chris Bumstead, Nick Walker, Iain Vailliere, etc.

These are all Mr Olympia competitors on loads of drugs, and they all verbalized that they grow faster with less training volume and more focus on getting stronger/logging their lifts.

"If you are natty" is the dumbest response. Most people here are natty and have zero need to hop on gear because you can absolutely achieve a good attractive physique without it. And if you were on gear, you probably would grow better training sensibly/for progressive overload and not like a jackass doing pointless volume because "strength doenst equal size"

Once again you have no idea what youre talking about

 

[TrestIsBest]

Most IFBB pro bodybuilders focus on progressive overload/strength as their main training style now. Chris Bumstead, Nick Walker, Iain Vailliere, etc.

These are all Mr Olympia competitors on loads of drugs, and they all verbalized that they grow faster with less training volume and more focus on getting stronger/logging their lifts.

"If you are natty" is the dumbest response. Most people here are natty and have zero need to hop on gear because you can absolutely achieve a good attractive physique without it. And if you were on gear, you probably would grow better training sensibly/for progressive overload and not like a jackass doing pointless volume because "strength doenst equal size"

Once again you have no idea what youre talking about

Of course progressive overload is a principle you‘ll have to follow for growth. But it‘s not about getting as strong as possible (because sTrENGth EqUAls siZe) but rather an increasingly larger stimulus for the muscle to grow. Higher volume work works much better for me for gaining size than doing lower reps, and this is true for a lot of people. If strength = size, training to increase your one rep max like a powerlifting would be the ideal way to train for hypertrophy, but that’s not the case. That‘s why I said strength doesn’t equal size

 

[Tonymontana]

Of course progressive overload is a principle you‘ll have to follow for growth. But it‘s not about getting as strong as possible (because sTrENGth EqUAls siZe) but rather an increasingly larger stimulus for the muscle to grow. Higher volume work works much better for me for gaining size than doing lower reps, and this is true for a lot of people. But lower reps are typically better for faster strength gains, so that‘s why I said strength doesn’t equal size

Thats why I said strength in the 5-12 rep range, not 1-3 rep maxes. But the end goal is still getting as strong as possible in that rep range.

The version of you benching 315x10 is gonna mog the fuck out of the version of you benching 225x10 in terms of muscularity. Once again, you dont have to bench squat or deadlift, or do low reps. But you DO have to get stronger. Much stronger to be bigger.

So outside of being able to use other exercises like pulldowns or curls, and higher rep ranges, how is building muscle NOT about gaining strength?

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Thats why I said strength in the 5-12 rep range, not 1-3 rep maxes. But the end goal is still getting as strong as possible in that rep range.

The version of you benching 315x10 is gonna mog the fuck out of the version of you benching 225x10 in terms of muscularity. Once again, you dont have to bench squat or deadlift, or do low reps. But you DO have to get stronger. Much stronger to be bigger.

So outside of being able to use other exercises like pulldowns or curls, and higher rep ranges, how is building muscle NOT about gaining strength?

Idk if you herd of him but his name is Greg doucette on YouTube would you say he gives good advice in terms of muscle fat loss ect?

 

[Deleted member 16380]

i give you this advice - DO NOT DO STANDARD GYMMING BULLSHIT.

FOr you to "have begun" - do around 20 pull ups in 1 set, 40 push-ups in 1 set, train 2 minutes hand-stands, and train your core. Do bicep/shoulder exercises with dumbells/barbell as you see fit AFTER bodyweight training. This exercise complex will allow you to grow muscle IN THE RIGHT PLACES - your lats, shoulders, arms and abs/core.

In combination with the diet, it will give you the body all permabulking faggots will be envious of. This is what allows me to be approached by foids at the gym.

But am I impressive in comparison to "permabulkers"? Nope. they are stronger. But I get foids.

i also suggest you go there to learn more; https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/

 

[Tonymontana]

Idk if you herd of him but his name is Greg doucette on YouTube would you say he gives good advice in terms of muscle fat loss ect?

His advice on eating low calorie HIGH VOLUME foods (foods that are large in quantity you can eat a lot of for low calories) for fat loss is great.

But the biggest thing hes wrong about is not bulking, and saying you can gain tons of muscle "maingaining". If you want to develop a great physique, you HAVE to bulk and cut. You absolutely dont have to get fat, but you need to be in a surplus to grow.

 

[mazzi]

it’s over if you thought military press mattered the most

 

[Phillybeard1996]

His advice on eating low calorie HIGH VOLUME foods (foods that are large in quantity you can eat a lot of for low calories) for fat loss is great.

But the biggest thing hes wrong about is not bulking, and saying you can gain tons of muscle "maingaining". If you want to develop a great physique, you HAVE to bulk and cut. You absolutely dont have to get fat, but you need to be in a surplus to grow.

Yea there's many guys who try to stay very lean like 10-12 percent bodyfat and they say they and growing

 

[thecel]

it’s over if you thought military press mattered the most

It’s all about the shoulders when it comes to framecels. The wider the better.

 

[TITUS]

Also, your ohp 1rm is average to above average for a fresh novice.

Very odd to know your ohp 1rm as a non lifter though

It's most likely another tranny larping.

Yea there's many guys who try to stay very lean like 10-12 percent bodyfat and they say they and growing

As long as you are increasing the weights and training in the hypertrophy range you are growing somehow.
The secret to getting more muscle without the aditional fat is a lot of cardio.
If you use roids you will get everything done much faster and better.

 

[gamma]

It doesn't matter where you start

Only matters your determination to improve

You start from 0 and go up and up
You'll only need more time compared to people with good genetic

 

[thecel]

Also, your ohp 1rm is average to above average for a fresh novice.

Very odd to know your ohp 1rm as a non lifter though

I worked out a few weeks with resistance bands, dumbbells, and bodyweight exercises. Recently started doing barbell lifts. I estimated some 1-rep-maxes using online calculators. I did 9 reps of 150 lb | 68 kg deadlift, and strengthlevel.com computed the 1RM = 193.1 lb | 87.59 kg. Yeah the high rep count (9) hinders the deadlifts’ 1RM estimate’s accuracy. I did 2 reps of 80 lb | 36.287 kg OHP, and the 1RM calculation comes out to 82.3 lb | 37.33 kg. My form was poor on that OHP tho. I did a 75 lb | 34 kg OHP before that. That set was 4 reps and had a little bit better form. The 1RM calculator estimates 81.8 lb | 37.1 kg.

 

[thegoat]

I worked out a few weeks with resistance bands, dumbbells, and bodyweight exercises. Recently started doing barbell lifts. I estimated some 1-rep-maxes using online calculators. I did 9 reps of 150 lb | 68 kg deadlift, and strengthlevel.com computed the 1RM = 193.1 lb | 87.59 kg. Yeah the high rep count (9) hinders the deadlifts’ 1RM estimate’s accuracy. I did 2 reps of 80 lb | 36.287 kg OHP, and the 1RM calculation comes out to 82.3 lb | 37.33 kg. My form was poor on that OHP tho. I did a 75 lb | 34 kg OHP before that. That set was 4 reps and had a little bit better form. The 1RM calculator estimates 81.8 lb | 37.1 kg.

theres literally no point doing those calculations, all of your lifts will jump up heavily within the next couple months

My genetics are pretty subhuman but I still got ok and motivational newbie gains. The real subhumanity was only exposed from the 6 month - 2 year mark where my progress just stalled and i still look like shit

 

[Deleted member 8908]

What weights must a beginner be able to lift for it to have “begun” for him?

No point to lift weights if one’s initial 1RM stats are too low. If one’s strength base is too weak, we say “it never began”

My standing overhead press (military press) 1RM is 36.28 kg | 80 lb. Did it begin? Or is this a “never-began”-tier strength base?

Nah, you're never too weak to start lifting

 

[thegoat]

There's no such point you absolute mentalcel. If you are incredibly genetically inferior, that is all the MORE reason to lift

Imagine if you spent the effort you spend coping in the gym

The gym has completely destroyed my mental health due to making shit progress and getting permamogged by other males at the gym. Like my mental health has literally gone off the rails mainly because of this.

But 2 years in I still go, because yes you are right, its better to make some improvement than to just rot. Its just extremely fucking taxing, so thecel has a perfectly valid point

 

[hypergamy]

What weights must a beginner be able to lift for it to have “begun” for him?

No point to lift weights if one’s initial 1RM stats are too low. If one’s strength base is too weak, we say “it never began”

My standing overhead press (military press) 1RM is 36.28 kg | 80 lb. Did it begin? Or is this a “never-began”-tier strength base?

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[TeenAscender]

I worked out a few weeks with resistance bands, dumbbells, and bodyweight exercises. Recently started doing barbell lifts. I estimated some 1-rep-maxes using online calculators. I did 9 reps of 150 lb | 68 kg deadlift, and strengthlevel.com computed the 1RM = 193.1 lb | 87.59 kg. Yeah the high rep count (9) hinders the deadlifts’ 1RM estimate’s accuracy. I did 2 reps of 80 lb | 36.287 kg OHP, and the 1RM calculation comes out to 82.3 lb | 37.33 kg. My form was poor on that OHP tho. I did a 75 lb | 34 kg OHP before that. That set was 4 reps and had a little bit better form. The 1RM calculator estimates 81.8 lb | 37.1 kg.

Ur deadlift strength sucks compared to ur OHO strength

 

[Phillybeard1996]

It's most likely another tranny larping.


As long as you are increasing the weights and training in the hypertrophy range you are growing somehow.
The secret to getting more muscle without the aditional fat is a lot of cardio.
If you use roids you will get everything done much faster and better.

Yea I understand but once you get to a certain levels of leaness you can't progress if you are 6 percent bodyfat for most part u need to gain some fat

 

[klamus]

1.5 plate bench For Reps is decent unless bloatmaxxed

 

[Baldingman1998]

Anytime somebody says this, I know they have no idea what the fuck theyre talking about.

Strength to a massive degree absolutely equals size. No matter how much volume you do, or how much you pump your muscles, you aint getting big unless you get a LOT stronger.

No this doesnt mean you have to bench, squat, deadlift, or do 1-3 rep maxes. It means your main focus is to get stronger on all the exercises you do like rows, curls, shoulder press, lat pulldowns, etc in the 5-12 rep range. NOT "feel" the muscle, or do endless sets in the gym.

Yes that's true but not 100% the case. Sometimes you can have an overdeveloped muscle to make up for nervous system strength. For example my right tricep is bigger than my left and they are equally as strong (due to an injury to the nurve)

 

[Chinacurry]

idk but I've always assumed for it to have begun, it's just 1 plate (on each side of barbell) for OHP, 2 for bench, 3.for squat, 4 for deadlift

 

[Deleted member 14138]

What weights must a beginner be able to lift for it to have “begun” for him?

No point to lift weights if one’s initial 1RM stats are too low. If one’s strength base is too weak, we say “it never began”

My standing overhead press (military press) 1RM is 36.28 kg | 80 lb. Did it begin? Or is this a “never-began”-tier strength base?

Idk. I've seen guys who look like moggers lift pussy weight like only 50 pounds on OHP. Then there's people like me who can bench 1.5 times their weight and overhead press their bodyweight for reps.

 

[Deleted member 15698]

The gym has completely destroyed my mental health due to making shit progress and getting permamogged by other males at the gym. Like my mental health has literally gone off the rails mainly because of this.

But 2 years in I still go, because yes you are right, its better to make some improvement than to just rot. Its just extremely fucking taxing, so thecel has a perfectly valid point

Shoot me a pm, we'll figure out where you're going wrong and I'll give you a plan to fix it

 

[subhuman incel]

i may be slow like a snail now, but im gonna run and walk so much until im the fast human alive, i may be weak and fragile now, but im gonna train and workout so much till i faint in the gym until im strongest human alive, i may be dumb and ignorant right now but im gonna read and learn so much until my brain fucking explodes and become the smartest human alive, i may be ugly and subhuman right now, but im gonna operate my face so many times until i become the best looking human ever in history of mankind, and all the haters and no-sayers can fuck themselves!!! @OldVirgin

 

[Edgar]

Fuck this just reminded me that I need to get my ass back in the gym asap. I got COVID so I couldn't do anything, I have to make for the lost sessions