Whats better mast or tren?

[Zagro]

I saw @TitusA talk about it, he says that both will cause hairloss and shiet, so he said you might aswell take tren. Also @20/04/2008 said that he would take tren if he was younger (correct me if i’m wrong brother). The only concern is i saw some 16 year old on another from saying it stunted growth and fucked him up so i’m curious to how it would be beneficial. I myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth don’t care about any sides.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Tren - it’s insanely anabolic and androgenic which is ideal.

 

[shizuku11111]

are u trying to become pro body builder? if not neither

 

[Zagro]

Tren - it’s insanely anabolic and androgenic which is ideal.

Would you mind explaining?

 

[REGULUS]

completly diffirent incel;


*use the search function and wikipedia to learn more*

 

[Zagro]

are u trying to become pro body builder? if not neither

Would like to compete in late teens or early 20s but wont do anything that will stunt my growth ngl.

 

[Zagro]

completly diffirent incel;


*use the search function and wikipedia to learn more*

This is what i’ve gathered with the search function

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Would you mind explaining?

Mast is not DHT. They are derivatives meaning they are chemically similar to DHT but are not the same and do not confer the same effects or androgenicity that DHT does.

People “DHT max” since it’s androgenic, more so than testosterone, but it ain’t anabolic like testosterone.

Simply the best way to puberty max is to run compounds that are both insanely androgenic (more so than DHT) and both anabolic.

 

[Hexmask]

What is everyones obsession in this forum with DHTmaxxing? You literally will just age yourself astronomically faster while hurting your health and youth indicators. Testosterone is what you want.

 

[Zagro]

What is everyones obsession in this forum with DHTmaxxing? You literally will just age yourself astronomically faster while hurting your health and youth indicators. Testosterone is what you want.

Everyone hears/reads anywhere that DHT helps dimorphism so they want to take it. I already will take test and ruining my health or fucking up my longevity isn’t a problem for me, but hairloss and aging overall do suck tbh.

 

[20/04/2008]

Would you mind explaining?

According to studies even without estrogen its like 20x more anabolic then test but that on cattles
On humans its 3.5x more anabolic
And according to the anabolic androgenic ratio its 5x more anabolic and androgenic then test

It has also unique effect on growth ask @meathead
Sensistise tissue to igf-1 (that one of its unique effects)
Increase Mtor and Igf-1 (like any other androgen)
Its really cheap when it comf to ROI aka a vial of tren would be atleast equal 4 vials of test

Masteron is shit drug for lookmaxxing purposes debate me if im wrong

Trenbolone is the best heightmaxxing androgen

Aslong your running ancillaries right (Pm me if your interested) and don’t go above like 250 mg you should be fine also Test base is mandatory if you don’t wanna feel like shit

 

[TitusA]

I saw @TitusA talk about it, he says that both will cause hairloss and shiet, so he said you might aswell take tren. Also @20/04/2008 said that he would take tren if he was younger (correct me if i’m wrong brother). The only concern is i saw some 16 year old on another from saying it stunted growth and fucked him up so i’m curious to how it would be beneficial. I myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth don’t care about any sides.

What is everyones obsession in this forum with DHTmaxxing? You literally will just age yourself astronomically faster while hurting your health and youth indicators. Testosterone is what you want.

According to studies even without estrogen its like 20x more anabolic then test but that on cattles
On humans its 3.5x more anabolic
And according to the anabolic androgenic ratio its 5x more anabolic and androgenic then test

It has also unique effect on growth ask @meathead
Sensistise tissue to igf-1 (that one of its unique effects)
Increase Mtor and Igf-1 (like any other androgen)
Its really cheap when it comf to ROI aka a vial of tren would be atleast equal 4 vials of test

Masteron is shit drug for lookmaxxing purposes debate me if im wrong

Trenbolone is the best heightmaxxing androgen

Aslong your running ancillaries right (Pm me if your interested) and don’t go above like 250 mg you should be fine also Test base is mandatory if you don’t wanna feel like shit

Its my belief that the massive use of very strong androgen (tren, anadrol) are what caused my facial changes relative to my twin brother. I used superdrol years before (another DHT derivative like mast) and saw literally no facial changes just insane physique gains as its one of the best steroids for rapid strength and aesthetic benefits.

As I have said before though any wannabe tren users on this forum keep ur use short term when your young. In my 10 years of use and interacting with users they guys that blasted tren years round especially as they got older got fkd up.

 

[vrilmaxxer]

tren only causes hairloss when you are retarted

its bad for other reasons

 

[shredded4summer]

tren only causes hairloss when you are retarted

its bad for other reasons

even clav got hairloss from it

 

[testosterone36]

I saw @TitusA talk about it, he says that both will cause hairloss and shiet, so he said you might aswell take tren. Also @20/04/2008 said that he would take tren if he was younger (correct me if i’m wrong brother). The only concern is i saw some 16 year old on another from saying it stunted growth and fucked him up so i’m curious to how it would be beneficial. I myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth don’t care about any sides.

anything androgenic has the chance to shut growth plates faster than what they would without androgens, ai can slow this process.

but im pretty sure
the way androgens close plates

is an entirely different way than how e2 closes them

 

[cam100]

What is everyones obsession in this forum with DHTmaxxing? You literally will just age yourself astronomically faster while hurting your health and youth indicators. Testosterone is what you want.

Because dht is more potent that testosterone and will masculine you through bone growth

 

[20/04/2008]

Its my belief that the massive use of very strong androgen (tren, anadrol) are what caused my facial changes relative to my twin brother. I used superdrol years before (another DHT derivative like mast) and saw literally no facial changes just insane physique gains as its one of the best steroids for rapid strength and aesthetic benefits.

As I have said before though any wannabe tren users on this forum keep ur use short term when your young. In my 10 years of use and interacting with users they guys that blasted tren years round especially as they got older got fkd up.

Short term use (16-18)
Ill rather have fucked collagen and have a huge ramus huge chin and projected browridge with fucked collagen then look like a tranny

 

[org3cel.RR]

I saw @TitusA talk about it, he says that both will cause hairloss and shiet, so he said you might aswell take tren. Also @20/04/2008 said that he would take tren if he was younger (correct me if i’m wrong brother). The only concern is i saw some 16 year old on another from saying it stunted growth and fucked him up so i’m curious to how it would be beneficial. I myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth don’t care about any sides.

How is this guy verified
+your a joke if u think taking tren at 16 is ok

 

[org3cel.RR]

Short term use (16-18)
Ill rather have fucked collagen and have a huge ramus huge chin and projected browridge with fucked collagen then look like a tranny

Im 15, so in ur opinion taking tren at this age is ideal??? Tren is literally the top 1 most dangerous steroid+ u will stunt your growth,
The only user ik that did tren at 16 was @pakiwaffen

 

[Zagro]

How is this guy verified
+your a joke if u think taking tren at 16 is ok

How are you verified + read the whole thing “i myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth”

 

[org3cel.RR]

How are you verified

im famous here+on other platforms

+ read the whole thing “i myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth”

That is like the weakest side effect

 

[Zagro]

im famous here+on other platforms

Yeah you’re cool ngl you helped me alot thank you bhai. I just happen to have many followers on another platform.

That is like the weakest side effect

I don’t care about any other health problem that it may cause me tbh.

 

[org3cel.RR]

Yeah you’re cool ngl you helped me alot thank you bhai. I just happen to have many followers on another platform.

I don’t care about any other health problem that it may cause me tbh.

U will die bro do not do it, only 21y+

 

[Zagro]

U will die bro do not do it, only 21y+

Damn didn’t know that it’s this serious, i will reconsider and do more research then bhai.

 

[org3cel.RR]

Damn didn’t know that it’s this serious, i will reconsider and do more research then bhai.

Its the most dangerous steroids
U will get gyno, hair loss, mood swings, convertion to estrogen etc, sure u might use meds to contradict these but u are too young to be taking so many things

 

[20/04/2008]

Im 15, so in ur opinion taking tren at this age is ideal??? Tren is literally the top 1 most dangerous steroid+ u will stunt your growth,
The only user ik that did tren at 16 was @pakiwaffen

And me at 15 but i didn’t go above 150 mg

If you know what your doing its safe

A guy using 200 test + 100 tren woukd be as effective if bot more effective then someone using 600 test
(Even tho the griup using 200 test 100 tren would have less sides)

 

[20/04/2008]

im famous here+on other platforms

That is like the weakest side effect

Tren dont stunt growth bro that bro science who told you that ???

 

[org3cel.RR]

Tren dont stunt growth bro that bro science who told you that ???

Ik it doesnt thats what he said, but roids do speed up bone age making ur plates close faster

 

[20/04/2008]

What is everyones obsession in this forum with DHTmaxxing? You literally will just age yourself astronomically faster while hurting your health and youth indicators. Testosterone is what you want.

Its the same bro
You know test also cause hairloss right ???
Not just test any androgen its all dependds to the binding infinity to the scalp which dht is 10x more affinity then test and only 10% of your test convert to dht (which is a high rate its usually 5%)
So lets say you block dht using fckn 5 mg dut (just to be sure their isn’t any dht)
And lets say your high T and your produce 75 mg of testosterone (which is a high level its usually like 35 mg per week) that mean that you would have hairloss at dosages of 150 mg without counting the ester (if dht was the reason of your hairloss then by logic anything above or equal to 150 mg would cause hairloss)
Most people who see hair regrowth jusy had low estrogen

(And thats the guy who had results jfl i rotted a lot in hairloss groups on reedit the guys that see results on reedit are never the guys using 5ar inhibitors jfl)

Which is funny when you see user like @Clavicular using Dut alongside 300 mg of testosterone

 

[20/04/2008]

Ik it doesnt thats what he said, but roids do speed up bone age making ur plates close faster

Nope Estrogen does

 

[cashcow]

15 on tren u gotta be retarded?

 

[20/04/2008]

15 on tren u gotta be retarded?

Go fuck yourself bro debate me
Do you think i don’t know
If i was a subhuman i would ve running 400 tren broo (im talking about yourself you would probably get sides at 100 of tren cuz your knowledge on roids is pretty limited)

 

[asdvek]

Tren ace 75mg a day for 6 weeks

 

[cashcow]

Go fuck yourself bro debate me
Do you think i don’t know
If i was a subhuman i would ve running 400 tren broo (im talking about yourself you would probably get sides at 100 of tren cuz your knowledge on roids is pretty limited)

i did peds at 15/16/17 and regret it, been natural since. i know stuff and i have the experience.

 

[20/04/2008]

i did peds at 15/16/17 and regret it, been natural since. i know stuff and i have the experience.

Copium

 

[TitusA]

Short term use (16-18)
Ill rather have fucked collagen and have a huge ramus huge chin and projected browridge with fucked collagen then look like a tranny

It rly doesnt fk ur collagen. U look older on it but as soon as u drop down your doses you look young again besides the bone changes. The bone changes will make you look older but in a good way as in you will look mid 20s
but you should maintain the skin and good soft features you had when younger.

How is this guy verified
+your a joke if u think taking tren at 16 is ok

When did I advocate tren at 16 you illiterate freak.

Ik it doesnt thats what he said, but roids do speed up bone age making ur plates close faster.

Estrogen does and increased oestrogen is a by-product of some steroids.

U will die bro do not do it, only 21y+

I blasted tren in MEGA DOSES 700mg a week with anadrol and 300mg test for 8 years straight. All my blood tests are good, all my organ imaging is good, my cac score is 0 so no signs of arthlerosclerosis. This doesn't mean other users wont get these health ramifications but stop saying people are going to die from some anabolics.

This forum is full of pussys and whiners its really no surprise some of you are stuck here.

tren only causes hairloss when you are retarted

its bad for other reasons

You can not stop hair loss from tren. Some people say RU58841 topical might be able to limit it but im skeptical. Also some people are just lucky and get none anyway. Luckily you can grow it back assuming you dont megablast long term and your not super prone.

I shed extremely heavily on it and probs lost 20% densit on 700mg tren 600mg test and 50mg anadrol but dutasteride recovered it and I now have my 18 year old hair after adding oral minoxidil.

i did peds at 15/16/17 and regret it, been natural since. i know stuff and i have the experience.

First of all I think those ages are too young. Secondly you probs used wrong like countless other stories I read of people misusing them online. I was reading for years before I took the plunge and used.

 

[20/04/2008]

It rly doesnt fk ur collagen. U look older on it but as soon as u drop down your doses you look young again besides the bone changes. The bone changes will make you look older but in a good way as in you will look mid 20s
but you should maintain the skin and good soft features you had when younger.

When did I advocate tren at 16 you illiterate freak.

Estrogen does and increased oestrogen is a by-product of some steroids.

I blasted tren in MEGA DOSES 700mg a week with anadrol and 300mg test for 8 years straight. All my blood tests are good, all my organ imaging is good, my cac score is 0 so no signs of arthlerosclerosis. This doesn't mean other users wont get these health ramifications but stop saying people are going to die from some anabolics.

This forum is full of pussys and whiners its really no surprise some of you are stuck here.


You can not stop hair loss from tren. Some people say RU58841 topical might be able to limit it but im skeptical. Also some people are just lucky and get none anyway. Luckily you can grow it back assuming you dont megablast long term and your not super prone.

I shed extremely heavily on it and probs lost 20% densit on 700mg tren 600mg test and 50mg anadrol but dutasteride recovered it and I know have my 18 year old hair after adding oral minoxidil.


First of all I think those ages are too young. Secondly you probs used wrong like countless other stories I read of people misusing them online. I was reading for years before I took the plunge and used.

Your one of my favorite users from now on
I see myself in you

 

[org3cel.RR]

It rly doesnt fk ur collagen. U look older on it but as soon as u drop down your doses you look young again besides the bone changes. The bone changes will make you look older but in a good way as in you will look mid 20s
but you should maintain the skin and good soft features you had when younger.

When did I advocate tren at 16 you illiterate freak.

Estrogen does and increased oestrogen is a by-product of some steroids.

I blasted tren in MEGA DOSES 700mg a week with anadrol and 300mg test for 8 years straight. All my blood tests are good, all my organ imaging is good, my cac score is 0 so no signs of arthlerosclerosis. This doesn't mean other users wont get these health ramifications but stop saying people are going to die from some anabolics.

This forum is full of pussys and whiners its really no surprise some of you are stuck here.


You can not stop hair loss from tren. Some people say RU58841 topical might be able to limit it but im skeptical. Also some people are just lucky and get none anyway. Luckily you can grow it back assuming you dont megablast long term and your not super prone.

I shed extremely heavily on it and probs lost 20% densit on 700mg tren 600mg test and 50mg anadrol but dutasteride recovered it and I know have my 18 year old hair after adding oral minoxidil.


First of all I think those ages are too young. Secondly you probs used wrong like countless other stories I read of people misusing them online. I was reading for years before I took the plunge and used.

I wasnt even talking abt u, I have friends that megadosade 900 mg of tren for years and had 0 seide effects because they werent retardeds, exactly like u said, u did NOT said it was good to use at 16y, but that guy was asking if its a good idea to take it at 16, which isnt

 

[org3cel.RR]

It rly doesnt fk ur collagen. U look older on it but as soon as u drop down your doses you look young again besides the bone changes. The bone changes will make you look older but in a good way as in you will look mid 20s
but you should maintain the skin and good soft features you had when younger.

When did I advocate tren at 16 you illiterate freak.

Estrogen does and increased oestrogen is a by-product of some steroids.

I blasted tren in MEGA DOSES 700mg a week with anadrol and 300mg test for 8 years straight. All my blood tests are good, all my organ imaging is good, my cac score is 0 so no signs of arthlerosclerosis. This doesn't mean other users wont get these health ramifications but stop saying people are going to die from some anabolics.

This forum is full of pussys and whiners its really no surprise some of you are stuck here.


You can not stop hair loss from tren. Some people say RU58841 topical might be able to limit it but im skeptical. Also some people are just lucky and get none anyway. Luckily you can grow it back assuming you dont megablast long term and your not super prone.

I shed extremely heavily on it and probs lost 20% densit on 700mg tren 600mg test and 50mg anadrol but dutasteride recovered it and I know have my 18 year old hair after adding oral minoxidil.


First of all I think those ages are too young. Secondly you probs used wrong like countless other stories I read of people misusing them online. I was reading for years before I took the plunge and used.

+mirin, im not a pussy lol, I am on hormones rn so nk whinning, people overestimate the dangerous of steroids tbh

 

[20/04/2008]

I wasnt even talking abt u, I have friends that megadosade 900 mg of tren for years and had 0 seide effects because they werent retardeds, exactly like u said, u did NOT said it was good to use at 16y, but that guy was asking if its a good idea to take it at 16, which isnt

Im an advocate for it
Its much better than those guys running mast
I would atleast run something like deca or Eq
My guideline is to not go above 250 mg and to fun ancillaries (if uour dumb pm me)

 

[org3cel.RR]

Im an advocate for it
Its much better than those guys running mast
I would atleast run something like deca or Eq
My guideline is to not go above 250 mg and to fun ancillaries (if uour dumb pm me)

I am not dumb haha, caged, but so ur thoughs is that running steroids in puberty is better then an older age? What about ruining natural T production, sure PCT or TRT, but I dont want to do that for the rest of my life yk?

 

[20/04/2008]

I am not dumb haha, caged, but so ur thoughs is that running steroids in puberty is better then an older age? What about ruining natural T production, sure PCT or TRT, but I dont want to do that for the rest of my life yk?

Well sustajon exist but jfl im just joking
Most people could recover from it just take ages cause its a 19 nor

But tren unique effects are what distinguish it i never in my life adviced people to run tren

Im just giving out information
If i was 5ft7 at 16 with the information i have know and knowing the risk
I would probably have runned it
I mean when you go deep in health literraly anything and everything is bad for your health
Arnold shwazenegger is still with us only because of his money if he was an average fude he would be dead by now

 

[TitusA]

I wasnt even talking abt u, I have friends that megadosade 900 mg of tren for years and had 0 seide effects because they werent retardeds, exactly like u said, u did NOT said it was good to use at 16y, but that guy was asking if its a good idea to take it at 16, which isnt

Yeah It is not so bad in short term uses. Problem comes when guys run it for years straight and/or mix alcohol, recreational drugs etc with it. Steroid users should be sticking to one vice.

I would be very concerned in the case of your friends even if bloods where in parameters they are likely to have enlargement of the heart (heart has androgen receptors too) and also running strong androgens (even injectables as the blood stream still passes through the liver) increases the risk for liver cancer. You can find study's on 9 year olds treated with anadrol that developed liver cancer

 

[20/04/2008]

Yeah It is not so bad in short term uses. Problem comes when guys run it for years straight and/or mix alcohol, recreational drugs etc with it. Steroid users should be sticking to one vice.

I would be very concerned in the case of your friends even if bloods where in parameters they are likely to have enlargement of the heart (heart has androgen receptors too) and also running strong androgens (even injectables as the blood stream still passes through the liver) increases the risk for liver cancer. You can find study's on 9 year olds treated with anadrol that developed liver cancer

Send i have read dozens of studies of Children getting treated with Anadrol specifically the dosages usually are 100-200 mg

 

[cashcow]

First of all I think those ages are too young. Secondly you probs used wrong like countless other stories I read of people misusing them online. I was reading for years before I took the plunge and used.

i definitely misused them, i did get what i wanted though; i got the gym gains. but the side-effects were just too much at that time.

 

[TitusA]

Send i have read dozens of studies of Children getting treated with Anadrol specifically the dosages usually are 100-200 mg

You mean send the evidence of oxymethelone increasing liver cancer incidence rates? It is literally a risk factors of all androgens. Why do you think the majority of liver cancer cases are in men. You can also look at numerous studys on young male bodybuilders develoing HCC.

This doesnt mean every anadrol user is going to get HCC but its a risk you have to take into account. Sometimes I think you disagree for the sake of it. Look for the studies yourself do you think I cba going through the scientific data to find all of it for you>

 

[20/04/2008]

You mean send the evidence of oxymethelone increasing liver cancer incidence rates? It is literally a risk factors of all androgens. Why do you think the majority of liver cancer cases are in men. You can also look at numerous studys on young male bodybuilders develoing HCC.

This doesnt mean every anadrol user is going to get HCC but its a risk you have to take into account. Sometimes I think you disagree for the sake of it. Look for the studies yourself do you think I cba going through the scientific data to find all of it for you>

I mean your just cheerypicking
I never saw someone getting HCC from anadrol only
Yes a bodybuilder ive seen it but thats longterm
And their is people that don’t even ise gear and get HCC
So its all relative all the gear dose is increase your chance of getting HCC by like 1% each year supposing your taking moderate to slightly high doses i don’t think the average kid on org would get HCC on 20 mg of oxandrolone

You could be on every drugs possible no cancer
Someone could be natty healthy get cancer

 

[TitusA]

I mean your just cheerypicking
I never saw someone getting HCC from anadrol only
Yes a bodybuilder ive seen it but thats longterm
And their is people that don’t even ise gear and get HCC
So its all relative all the gear dose is increase your chance of getting HCC by like 1% each year supposing your taking moderate to slightly high doses i don’t think the average kid on org would get HCC on 20 mg of oxandrolone

You could be on every drugs possible no cancer
Someone could be natty healthy get cancer

Lol where was my cherrpicking? It increases the incidence of it and you just said the same in your post.

 

[badexilw]

I saw @TitusA talk about it, he says that both will cause hairloss and shiet, so he said you might aswell take tren. Also @20/04/2008 said that he would take tren if he was younger (correct me if i’m wrong brother). The only concern is i saw some 16 year old on another from saying it stunted growth and fucked him up so i’m curious to how it would be beneficial. I myself wont take it because of the risk of stunted growth don’t care about any sides.

tren

 

[Mike141]

It rly doesnt fk ur collagen. U look older on it but as soon as u drop down your doses you look young again besides the bone changes. The bone changes will make you look older but in a good way as in you will look mid 20s
but you should maintain the skin and good soft features you had when younger.

When did I advocate tren at 16 you illiterate freak.

Estrogen does and increased oestrogen is a by-product of some steroids.

I blasted tren in MEGA DOSES 700mg a week with anadrol and 300mg test for 8 years straight. All my blood tests are good, all my organ imaging is good, my cac score is 0 so no signs of arthlerosclerosis. This doesn't mean other users wont get these health ramifications but stop saying people are going to die from some anabolics.

This forum is full of pussys and whiners its really no surprise some of you are stuck here.


You can not stop hair loss from tren. Some people say RU58841 topical might be able to limit it but im skeptical. Also some people are just lucky and get none anyway. Luckily you can grow it back assuming you dont megablast long term and your not super prone.

I shed extremely heavily on it and probs lost 20% densit on 700mg tren 600mg test and 50mg anadrol but dutasteride recovered it and I now have my 18 year old hair after adding oral minoxidil.


First of all I think those ages are too young. Secondly you probs used wrong like countless other stories I read of people misusing them online. I was reading for years before I took the plunge and used.

what’s urs and @20/04/2008 opinion on having to pct with open plates? i’ve been running test for quite a while but ill have to come off for a lil bit, should i pct or just hop of cold turkey? i dont want to risk closing my plates