What's the verdict on the permanent finasteride side effect stories? Real or fake?

[igbekele007]

Title.
I feel like most of the finasteride stories are just nocebo and I don't want to take one more point in NW scale because that's when it will REALLY be time to rope.
Also, Can I conclude from not having any side effects from ketoconazole shampoo that Finasteride will probably not mess me up either?

 

[Sir Galachad]

I can assure you that in my case it couldn't have been a nocebo. I was basically denying that my inability to get morning wood had anything to do with Finasteride. This went on for 6 months and when my nipples started tingling I knew it was time to stop. Side effects took up to 3 months to disappear.

As for the scientific verdict: The amount of people actually experiencing permanent side effects have not yet been documented in percentages. It doesn't look like it's anything to worry about, but there's no clear verdict.

As for your second question: No, I had no adverse effects from Keto-Shampoo but still had them with Finasteride

 

[igbekele007]

I can assure you that in my case it couldn't have been a nocebo. I was basically denying that my inability to get morning wood had anything to do with Finasteride. This went on for 6 months and when my nipples started tingling I knew it was time to stop. Side effects took up to 3 months to disappear.

As for the scientific verdict: The amount of people actually experiencing permanent side effects have not yet been documented in percentages. It doesn't look like it's anything to worry about, but there's no clear verdict.

As for your second question: No, I had no adverse effects from Keto-Shampoo but still had them with Finasteride

Glad to hear that the side-effects got stopped. Thing that scares me is guys saying the side-effects are permanent.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Glad to hear that the side-effects got stopped. Thing that scares me is guys saying the side-effects are permanent.

well your hormones are fucked for several months at least. your body will recover, the question is how much

 

[eduardkoopman]

about 2% claim these mayor side effects.
I guestimate 1% is due to these fat old fag, would had gone impotent anyways.
And the other 1%, is legit getting fucked by these medication pills

 

[eduardkoopman]

I can assure you that in my case it couldn't have been a nocebo. I was basically denying that my inability to get morning wood had anything to do with Finasteride. This went on for 6 months and when my nipples started tingling I knew it was time to stop. Side effects took up to 3 months to disappear.

As for the scientific verdict: The amount of people actually experiencing permanent side effects have not yet been documented in percentages. It doesn't look like it's anything to worry about, but there's no clear verdict.

As for your second question: No, I had no adverse effects from Keto-Shampoo but still had them with Finasteride

what was your dose and frequence useage?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

just take it and forget about it. as soon as people go on finasteride they start overanalyzing everything like autists and tie everything they may or may not feel to fin. your libido for example isn't gonna be a constant thing whether you take 5ar inhibitors or not. one week you'll have more libido and another week it's less. that's fkn normal because the human body isn't a machine. but neurotic cunts will pop one pill, overanalyze themselves and then go online and tell everyone about how they got "lower libido", "brain fog", "itchy nipples", etc. and in many cases even make shit up on top of it in order to prevent others from taking it.

 

[randomvanish]

my nipples started tingling

 

[Sir Galachad]

what was your dose and frequence useage?

0.625 mg daily

 

[eduardkoopman]

0.625 mg daily

lol, at dose being outside of the ordinairy.
I think 1mg is overdose.
And for people slowly balding, than 0.2mg is ideal imo.
I myself am using 0.33mg, because I can manage to get that small 1mg pill into 1/4 or 1/5.

Soon though. I will though i will switch to topical fina. with mixxing it with RU587687686887123454678890..

 

[Seth Walsh]

lol, at dose being outside of the ordinairy.
I think 1mg is overdose.
And for people slowly balding, than 0.2mg is ideal imo.
I myself am using 0.33mg, because I can manage to get that small 1mg pill into 1/4 or 1/5.

Soon though. I will though i will switch to topical fina. with mixxing it with RU587687686887123454678890..

Do you have any sides with 0.33mg? I heard topical fin reduces scalp DHT by the same amount as oral but reduces systemic DHT significantly less (20% reduction as opposed to 60-70%). Though I haven't seen any hard evidence or enough anecdotes.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Do you have any sides with 0.33mg?

no. 2 years orso use now

I heard topical fin reduces scalp DHT by the same amount as oral but reduces systemic DHT significantly less (20% reduction as opposed to 60-70%).

true that. i also read that. hence I decide to change to topical. Because obviously I don't want dht reduced/inhibited/blocked throughout whole body, only on da scalp.
With anything, that is for local use. the LESS systemic the better. and go for that option

Though I haven't seen any hard evidence or enough anecdotes.

it's early stage. but the data is promising.
i ain't got time to wait, for research to be fully fuinished published, peer reviewed, blablabla.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Do you have any sides with 0.33mg? I heard topical fin reduces scalp DHT by the same amount as oral but reduces systemic DHT significantly less (20% reduction as opposed to 60-70%). Though I haven't seen any hard evidence or enough anecdotes.

Efficacy and safety of topical finasteride spray solution for male androgenetic alopecia: a phase III, randomized, controlled clinical trial - PubMed

Topical finasteride significantly improves hair count compared to placebo and is well tolerated. Its effect is similar to that of oral finasteride, but with markedly lower systemic exposure and less impact on serum DHT concentrations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Systematic Review of Topical Finasteride in the Treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia in Men and Women

Currently, only topical minoxidil (MNX) and oral finasteride (FNS) are approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Medicines Agency (EMA) for the treatment of androgenetic alopecia. Although FNS is efficacious for hair regrowth, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[igbekele007]

just take it and forget about it. as soon as people go on finasteride they start overanalyzing everything like autists and tie everything they may or may not feel to fin. your libido for example isn't gonna be a constant thing whether you take 5ar inhibitors or not. one week you'll have more libido and another week it's less. that's fkn normal because the human body isn't a machine. but neurotic cunts will pop one pill, overanalyze themselves and then go online and tell everyone about how they got "lower libido", "brain fog", "itchy nipples", etc. and in many cases even make shit up on top of it in order to prevent others from taking it.

I agree about 95%, ish like brain fog, lower libido, less frequent morning woods come and go; but I think itchy nipples means something iffy is happening.

lol, at dose being outside of the ordinairy.
I think 1mg is overdose.
And for people slowly balding, than 0.2mg is ideal imo.
I myself am using 0.33mg, because I can manage to get that small 1mg pill into 1/4 or 1/5.

Soon though. I will though i will switch to topical fina. with mixxing it with RU587687686887123454678890..

If you are located in the US, where do you go get the ish? Keeps? I already order Modafinil from indian pharmacies and they sell fin as well. I can go that route too.

 

[eduardkoopman]

If you are located in the US,

nope euro fag

where do you go get the ish? Keeps?

hard to get this shit, here. Last time i ordered Ru55467 from UK that had to be send to netherlands, I got cucked hard with wait maxxing by customs,
This time I bought both ru5876 powder and pure fina powder, at ali express.
I am gonna self mix, these powders with this carrier solution from the ordinairy, called hair density serum or something

I already order Modafinil from indian pharmacies and they sell fin as well. I can go that route too.

Alldaychemist send me email, they don't ship to netherlands anymore. because of customs here.
previously i bought my shit at united-pharmacies; but that company ahs quit now, or got raided, or busted or whatever. so they gone now

 

[makeme183]

And for people slowly balding, than 0.2mg is ideal imo.

can it grow back the hairline to N0-1 from NW2 ?

did you experience shedding ?

why aren't you using minox ?

 

[eduardkoopman]

can it grow back the hairline to N0-1 from NW2 ?

Stand alone fina 0.2 mg. Most likely not. It all depends on how aggressive ones balding is.
Keeping status quo with fina, is for most possible. Regaining ground is hard.

did you experience shedding ?

Don't recall, no.

why aren't you using minox ?

Used it for like 2 years orso.
I stopped now, to see what happens. For collagen reasons.
I added RU58841 recently. Now i home made a topical mix of fina plus RU58841. Hopefully it works.

 

[igbekele007]

can it grow back the hairline to N0-1 from NW2 ?

I did a lot of research on this subject and the general consensus is that finasteride alone holds a lot of what you have so it's likely that you won't go worse than NW2. In some cases, it also regrows hair but it's rare.

Minoxidil is what gives the growth, but it is a much more complex game than just nuking your DHT. I would say a hyper-responder can go from NW2 to NW0. Historically, it was a hit or miss for people when it came to Minoxidil, because of something called minoxidil sulfotransferese. Simply put, you need to have enough of this enzymatic activity in your scalp for shit to work. I think this causes the belief that regrowth is much more difficult than holding is because this ish about Minoxidil was not well understood and not addressed either.

Now, I admit I am bit of an optimistic here, but I still think even though regrowth is more difficult, it is not as much as other people claim to be. I am making the comparison about people whose follicles are not pimped for too long, i.e., not the bald cats at fucking 50 year old, who have been NW6 since 30 years old.

Minoxidil + microneedling (fairly recent) + tretinoin (very recent) or even going to Oral minoxidil (very recent) is definitely worth trying. Plus, you are not exposing yourself to more side effects by running microneedling and tret.

@eduardkoopman tagging for notif.

 

[makeme183]

Historically, it was a hit or miss for people when it came to Minoxidil, because of something called minoxidil sulfotransferese

This won't be a prob with oral minox, since the liver can completely convert it to the active form

the only reason I don't wanna run minox is cuz it nukes collagen

do you think oral minox on its own is enough to grow back and keep hair ?

cuz the root cause of hairfall is DHT , and minox doesn't fix that

 

[makeme183]

For collagen reasons.

this is the same reason I'm avoiding minox , along with the fear of massive shed

the lowest effective minox dose is 1.25mg oral/day
if we combine this with tret skincare,is it enough to offset the collagen damage ?

 

[eduardkoopman]

this is the same reason I'm avoiding minox , along with the fear of massive shed

the lowest effective minox dose is 1.25mg oral/day
if we combine this with tret skincare,is it enough to offset the collagen damage ?

No studies are done at the amount or severity of collagen loss.
It can be a little, or alot. We don't know.
I think it's not that much more personally. Because i am old, used it for 2 years, and i still have mogger so quality for my age