When is it too late to get surgery?

[Debetro]

At what age it is too late for it to be worth it because you are now an old expired piece of shit with no chance to make up for a lost youth?

@SlayerJonas @imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Foreverbrad

 

[Looks over NT]

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[imontheloose]

Early 30s, it’s truly over. You’re fine at your age.

 

[Never Get Up]

Before you left the womb.

 

[jgrey080]

Late 20s after that point it's not really worth iy

 

[Saint Casanova]

It’s not about the age. It’s whether you mitigate ageing well enough so you still look somewhat youthful after surgery.

If you do, your quality of life will increase dramatically at any age

 

[SlayerJonas]

In my perspective this requires the fundamental understanding of how looks truly impact your life

Disregard the low IQ / doomer opinions here, looks are being underestimated even on here because the quality of life enhancement is almost unimagineable (most users here are normies, they can't understand how important looks are)

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good, you can be both and that doesn't expire at 30-40 or something

We have anti-aging, they don't also

Now what I'm saying is the QOL improvement you get with surgery is the highest ROI of all investments, instead of buying metal (car) augment your skull with titanium

 

[jeb98]

like 30ish but ideal time to get surgery is early 20s

 

[Foreverbrad]

If you need it at all it’s already over, you can never catch up to normies who have just been on an exponential growth their whole lives whereas incels are constantly beaten down and can’t get anywhere in life. The crippling price of surgery just makes it even worse.

You can’t escape the black pill with surgery.

However, there is nothing else to do.

 

[Debetro]

If you need it at all it’s already over, you can never catch up to normies who have just been on an exponential growth their whole lives whereas incels are constantly beaten down and can’t get anywhere in life. The crippling price of surgery just makes it even worse.

You can’t escape the black pill with surgery.

However, there is nothing else to do.

I agree. I'm done for. A wasted life all because of my maxilla.

It’s not about the age. It’s whether you mitigate ageing well enough so you still look somewhat youthful after surgery.

If you do, your quality of life will increase dramatically at any age

Do you not think it's too late for you?

 

[Debetro]

In my perspective this requires the fundamental understanding of how looks truly impact your life

Disregard the low IQ / doomer opinions here, looks are being underestimated even on here because the quality of life enhancement is almost unimagineable (most users here are normies, they can't understand how important looks are)

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good, you can be both and that doesn't expire at 30-40 or something

We have anti-aging, they don't also

Now what I'm saying is the QOL improvement you get with surgery is the highest ROI of all investments, instead of buying metal (car) augment your skull with titanium

There's the risk of it not going the way you expected it to go though.

 

[Debetro]

In my perspective this requires the fundamental understanding of how looks truly impact your life

Disregard the low IQ / doomer opinions here, looks are being underestimated even on here because the quality of life enhancement is almost unimagineable (most users here are normies, they can't understand how important looks are)

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good, you can be both and that doesn't expire at 30-40 or something

We have anti-aging, they don't also

Now what I'm saying is the QOL improvement you get with surgery is the highest ROI of all investments, instead of buying metal (car) augment your skull with titanium

How to cope while not having got your surgeries yet?
How to cope with walking as an unloveable subhuman for some more years?

 

[Saint Casanova]

I agree. I'm done for. A wasted life all because of my maxilla.

Do you not think it's too late for you?

It’s over for me but for other reasons. I’ve had a good life until recently so I’m content with it.

 

[SlayerJonas]

There's the risk of it not going the way you expected it to go though.

I can say be more open to the positive, a doomer mindset is the product of constant conditioning be it through your life or negative feedback of people with shittier lifes

Think about the origin of the negativity for example here, mostly Indian users with shitty lifes and they don't compare to you objectively

To your worry keep in mind if you're getting surgery you need money, in my perspective saving a few grands extra and not cheaping out is logical . There's not much room for mistakes by your surgeon if he's good

See surgerymaxxing as a way to live life, a big part of it

If you need it at all it’s already over, you can never catch up to normies who have just been on an exponential growth their whole lives whereas incels are constantly beaten down and can’t get anywhere in life. The crippling price of surgery just makes it even worse.

You can’t escape the black pill with surgery.

However, there is nothing else to do.

This is the illogical doomer mindset I'm talking about

Teenage love doesn't exist and you're not missing out on anything from social interactions with the average human

What is so important about two immature young teenagers having a transactional relationship (which most relationships in general are) ?

How to cope while not having got your surgeries yet?

It sounds very weird but do the things you enjoy . It doesn't have to involve human interaction, what is there not to do in your life?

If you're asking me I want to learn more about the universe to still this curiousity, be it with biology, chemistry or physics . Besides that there are many other cool subjects I enjoy .

What interests you bro?

This isn't sugercoating the world, there are many negative realisations in life e.g. that love doesn't exist . It's about seeing everything like it is, there are both negative and positive things and a "doomer mindset" is just a flawed perspective viewing the world through a distorted lens .

 

[samz]

Never really unless your like some old man

 

[samz]

Late 20s after that point it's not really worth iy

Still can but not worth it yea

 

[Foreverbrad]

I agree. I'm done for. A wasted life all because of my maxilla.

Are you going to get surgery anyway or just try and save all the money to NEETmax?

I am questioning whether I should actually continue tbh. It’s so much money that I went through unspeakable agony of wageslaving to get.

 

[Debetro]

Are you going to get surgery anyway or just try and save all the money to NEETmax?

I am questioning whether I should actually continue tbh. It’s so much money that I went through unspeakable agony of wageslaving to get.

I need to do something with my narrow maxilla and palate. That's really all I need I don't want to get anymore deeper into surgery stuff.
I'm tired of neeting it made me get to the lowest point I've ever been at.
I don't know what to do in your shoes. You know better.
Life has been agony for me since I turned 14. I have high hopes of it changing soon but that's what I've been telling to myself all this time and nothing changed.

It’s over for me but for other reasons. I’ve had a good life until recently so I’m content with it.

What other reasons?

 

[samz]

In my perspective this requires the fundamental understanding of how looks truly impact your life

Disregard the low IQ / doomer opinions here, looks are being underestimated even on here because the quality of life enhancement is almost unimagineable (most users here are normies, they can't understand how important looks are)

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good, you can be both and that doesn't expire at 30-40 or something

We have anti-aging, they don't also

Now what I'm saying is the QOL improvement you get with surgery is the highest ROI of all investments, instead of buying metal (car) augment your skull with titanium

Mirin but I think most people here do know the importance of looks however most won't get crazy results for it to change there life.

 

[Debetro]

I can say be more open to the positive, a doomer mindset is the product of constant conditioning be it through your life or negative feedback of people with shittier lifes

Think about the origin of the negativity for example here, mostly Indian users with shitty lifes and they don't compare to you objectively

To your worry keep in mind if you're getting surgery you need money, in my perspective saving a few grands extra and not cheaping out is logical . There's not much room for mistakes by your surgeon if he's good

See surgerymaxxing as a way to live life, a big part of it

This is the illogical doomer mindset I'm talking about

Teenage love doesn't exist and you're not missing out on anything from social interactions with the average human

What is so important about two immature young teenagers having a transactional relationship (which most relationships in general are) ?

It sounds very weird but do the things you enjoy . It doesn't have to involve human interaction, what is there not to do in your life?

If you're asking me I want to learn more about the universe to still this curiousity, be it with biology, chemistry or physics . Besides that there are many other cool subjects I enjoy .

What interests you bro?

This isn't sugercoating the world, there are many negative realisations in life e.g. that love doesn't exist . It's about seeing everything like it is, there are both negative and positive things and a "doomer mindset" is just a flawed perspective viewing the world through a distorted lens .

Really true.
I have my hobbies and stuff. But I crave human connection so badly, which I never had since I was 13. This distracts and stresses me out a lot. Had multiple mental breakdowns today, but I'm aware it's because I'm sleep deprived.
I might get to change my looks at 20-21 but I will forever be stuck at 13-14 years old mentally and not be able to move on.
@returnofthecutecel

I'm lucky I'm not some real sub3. But I don't have the social skills to pull off the medium ugly appearance I have now so I just rot in my room friendless. I lost all contact with any type of acquaintances I had +400 days ago and never made ones. I don't leave my apartment unless fully necessary because I get really anxious outside.

 

[SlayerJonas]

Mirin but I think most people here do know the importance of looks however most won't get crazy results for it to change there life.

Thanks and I get what you mean . It's a bit relative tho, they are in relation to normies more aware of how important looks are but can't comprehend how important they truly are and I mean it .

To understand better think of the differences of you and some celebrity, the only difference is the consequence of your looks throughout your life (confidence and low inhibition)

While most people get conditioned for high inhib and lack the confidence (confidence without a thing backing it up is delusion) they get conditioned the other way around .

Really true.
I have my hobbies and stuff. But I crave human connection so badly, which I never had since I was 13. This distracts and stresses me out a lot. Had multiple mental breakdowns today, but I'm aware it's because I'm sleep deprived.
I might get to change my looks at 20-21 but I will forever be stuck at 13-14 years old mentally and not be able to move on.
@returnofthecutecel

I'm lucky I'm not some real sub3. But I don't have the social skills to pull off the medium ugly appearance I have now so I just rot in my room friendless. I lost all contact with any type of acquaintances I had +400 days ago and never made ones. I don't leave my apartment unless fully necessary because I get really anxious outside.

We have different definitions of human connection I think .

I only have had a handful of real human connections throughout my life and it's something logical actually . True understanding of each other means intelligence, that's something normies lack per definition and they'll never experience true human connection and you have the possibility I hope for you

 

[turkcelfatcel]

theres no age for this , after you get kids it just becomes useless

 

[Debetro]

Thanks and I get what you mean . It's a bit relative tho, they are in relation to normies more aware of how important looks are but can't comprehend how important they truly are and I mean it .

To understand better think of the differences of you and some celebrity, the only difference is the consequence of your looks throughout your life (confidence and low inhibition)

While most people get conditioned for high inhib and lack the confidence (confidence without a thing backing it up is delusion) they get conditioned the other way around .

We have different definitions of human connection I think .

I only have had a handful of real human connections throughout my life and it's something logical actually . True understanding of each other means intelligence, that's something normies lack per definition and they'll never experience true human connection and you have the possibility I hope for you

It's interesting because I'm craving socialization and going out but when I used to do it and were part of social circles I purposefully isolated myself because I didn't enjoy it. Looks had a role but the brain also did.

Even if I get better looking, say I become a chadlite. I won't be able to socialize with normies because of my nule social skills and the fact that I have no Instagram, no Snapchat, nothing at all. I cannot pretend to be NT.

 

[SlayerJonas]

It's interesting because I'm craving socialization and going out but when I used to do it and were part of social circles I purposefully isolated myself because I didn't enjoy it. Looks had a role but the brain also did.

Even if I get better looking, say I become a chadlite. I won't be able to socialize with normies because of my nule social skills and the fact that I have no Instagram, no Snapchat, nothing at all. I cannot pretend to be NT.

Everyone craves socialisation it's a basic human need so yes

There's no shame in being ND (neurodivergence refers to something else actually but I get what you mean), you can build social skills and status is built over time also

You can be egoistic IRL because normies lifes don't matter, just tweak the relationships with them for your enjoyment

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Imo it's not too late because looks halo other aspects of life if not for dating directly

 

[Minuskul]

In my perspective this requires the fundamental understanding of how looks truly impact your life

Disregard the low IQ / doomer opinions here, looks are being underestimated even on here because the quality of life enhancement is almost unimagineable (most users here are normies, they can't understand how important looks are)

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good, you can be both and that doesn't expire at 30-40 or something

We have anti-aging, they don't also

Now what I'm saying is the QOL improvement you get with surgery is the highest ROI of all investments, instead of buying metal (car) augment your skull with titanium

Big brain

 

[samz]

Thanks and I get what you mean . It's a bit relative tho, they are in relation to normies more aware of how important looks are but can't comprehend how important they truly are and I mean it .

To understand better think of the differences of you and some celebrity, the only difference is the consequence of your looks throughout your life (confidence and low inhibition)

While most people get conditioned for high inhib and lack the confidence (confidence without a thing backing it up is delusion) they get conditioned the other way around .

We have different definitions of human connection I think .

I only have had a handful of real human connections throughout my life and it's something logical actually . True understanding of each other means intelligence, that's something normies lack per definition and they'll never experience true human connection and you have the possibility I hope for you

Very detailed and well presented thoughts. Your very wise Jonas! I think even if you become better looking for life to become easier you will begin to realise how fake most humans are and how controlled they are by what society teaches, what they learn from there friends and parents opinion etc and by what they deem ugly. Mental scars never really go and they really show how the same people treating you with interest or kindness may have treated you like trash if they saw you before hand. I think it paints a interesting display of life and how nobody is really good or bad.

 

[AustrianMogger]

At what age it is too late for it to be worth it because you are now an old expired piece of shit with no chance to make up for a lost youth?

@SlayerJonas @imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Foreverbrad

In truth its never to late you can always improve
But probably around 30ish

 

[returnofthecutecel]

Late 20s after that point it's not really worth iy

It is. Jaw implants can change your life

 

[returnofthecutecel]

In my perspective this requires the fundamental understanding of how looks truly impact your life

Disregard the low IQ / doomer opinions here, looks are being underestimated even on here because the quality of life enhancement is almost unimagineable (most users here are normies, they can't understand how important looks are)

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good, you can be both and that doesn't expire at 30-40 or something

We have anti-aging, they don't also

Now what I'm saying is the QOL improvement you get with surgery is the highest ROI of all investments, instead of buying metal (car) augment your skull with titanium

But most people aren't Chad, and most people aren't millionaries so what can we do?

 

[Foreverbrad]

This is the illogical doomer mindset I'm talking about

Teenage love doesn't exist and you're not missing out on anything from social interactions with the average human

What is so important about two immature young teenagers having a transactional relationship (which most relationships in general are) ?

You’re missing my whole point.

Spending your early life ugly sets you back immensely due to the negative effect it has on literally everything. By the time you can afford surgery, normies will have pulled away so far ahead of you in the game of life that despite fixing the original problem, you can never catch up because you are in a financial hole, with no connections and the social skills of a preteen.

It goes way beyond just dating.

 

[SlayerJonas]

Very detailed and well presented thoughts. Your very wise Jonas! I think even if you become better looking for life to become easier you will begin to realise how fake most humans are and how controlled they are by what society teaches, what they learn from there friends and parents opinion etc and by what they deem ugly. Mental scars never really go and they really show how the same people treating you with interest or kindness may have treated you like trash if they saw you before hand. I think it paints a interesting display of life and how nobody is really good or bad.

Thank you first of all . I wouldn't call it fake but I get what you mean, I would rather describe it as them being fundamentally empty . They don't think or aren't conscious at all, just repeating "what society teaches", indeed .

You’re missing my whole point.

Spending your early life ugly sets you back immensely due to the negative effect it has on literally everything. By the time you can afford surgery, normies will have pulled away so far ahead of you in the game of life that despite fixing the original problem, you can never catch up because you are in a financial hole, with no connections and the social skills of a preteen.

It goes way beyond just dating.

It certainly goes beyond dating, that's the point .

Some humans can be set back from the rest but be so fast and in the long-term have everything they truly desire over the people that were "gifted" a good physical body. Brain and intelligence is everything in that matter

But most people aren't Chad, and most people aren't millionaries so what can we do?

Chad is the consequence of good genetics, which can be "frauded" with a lot of surgeries in the present .

Even if it sounds absurd and foreign, being a "Chad" isn't unrealistic . He's the proper alignment of bones, their thickness and good soft tissue just like a 3d model .

 

[KeepCopingLads]

There are many actors that don't have any skills but just look good

brad pitt

 

[returnofthecutecel]

Thank you first of all . I wouldn't call it fake but I get what you mean, I would rather describe it as them being fundamentally empty . They don't think or aren't conscious at all, just repeating "what society teaches", indeed .

It certainly goes beyond dating, that's the point .

Some humans can be set back from the rest but be so fast and in the long-term have everything they truly desire over the people that were "gifted" a good physical body. Brain and intelligence is everything in that matter

Chad is the consequence of good genetics, which can be "frauded" with a lot of surgeries in the present .

Even if it sounds absurd and foreign, being a "Chad" isn't unrealistic . He's the proper alignment of bones, their thickness and good soft tissue just like a 3d model .

Ok but im 24 khhv I won't fix that so my only option is to rope.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Some humans can be set back from the rest but be so fast and in the long-term have everything they truly desire over the people that were "gifted" a good physical body. Brain and intelligence is everything in that matter

That’s a tiny group. I used to think I was intelligent because I had nerdy interests and would get top grades without really trying and have extensive vocabulary etc etc. I bet a lot of people on this forum have the same experience so far in their relatively young lives.

I no longer believe it because I’ve failed to make money. In the end that’s your score in life and all that matters.

 

[Debetro]

Ok but im 24 khhv I won't fix that so my only option is to rope.

If you didn't live life till 24 it is indeed over in a way.

 

[Debetro]

@Amnesia

 

[returnofthecutecel]

If you didn't live life till 24 it is indeed over in a way.

I won't have a life anyways. I'll cope with hobbies.

 

[Debetro]

I won't have a life anyways. I'll cope with hobbies.

I will inevitably follow your same path if that helps you. I have no remedy already as it's too late to start.

 

[returnofthecutecel]

I will inevitably follow your same path if that helps you. I have no remedy already as it's too late to start.

Start deleting your account here. This is a place of losers.

 

[returnofthecutecel]

I will inevitably follow your same path if that helps you. I have no remedy already as it's too late to start.

But you are white and tall

 

[Debetro]

Start deleting your account here. This is a place of losers.

I did it 3 times already wasn't of much use.

But you are white and tall

Kind of have that going on for me I can't lie. But currently I'm not seen as an human being because of my narrow maxilla. I need to fix it ASAP.

 

[Amceo]

At what age it is too late for it to be worth it because you are now an old expired piece of shit with no chance to make up for a lost youth?

@SlayerJonas @imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Foreverbrad

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