Where does the Aryan ancestry in Levantines come from?

[enchanted_elixir]

Anyone?

 

[Node]

My ancestors are Jewish and African

 

[enchanted_elixir]

My ancestors are Jewish and African

What kind of African? Black? Nafri? Hamitic? Khoisan? Something else?

 

[Node]

What kind of African? Black? Nafri? Hamitic? Khoisan? Something else?

Nafri semite king I am

 

[EthiopianMaxxer]

Wild guess, but maybe the Achaemenid Empire in ~500 BC brought Steppe ancestry to the Levant?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Wild guess, but maybe the Achaemenid Empire in ~5000 BC brought Steppe ancestry to the Levant?

500 not 5000 BC.

 

[EthiopianMaxxer]

Nafri semite king I am

We's Semitic kangz

 

[EthiopianMaxxer]

500 not 5000 BC.

Typo, thanks for correcting

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Wild guess, but maybe the Achaemenid Empire in ~5000 BC brought Steppe ancestry to the Levant?

I also think the Aryans from the steppe went into Anatolia and alsk went into the levant?

I don’t think the Achaemenids settled the levant.

I also know that crusaders were there too. And they did settle so that another thing.

It Might have happened in multiple waves

 

[Node]

We's Semitic kangz

Yesss

 

[Trilogy]

What do you mean by Aryan in this context

 

[enchanted_elixir]

What do you mean by Aryan in this context

Yamnaya DNA or anyone who carries it in non trivial amounts, like Europeans, Iranics, North Indians, etc.

 

[INCEST]

Anyone?

They have no yamnaya dna

 

[enchanted_elixir]

They have no yamnaya dna

False.

 

[INCEST]

False.

Lmfao U Arab ? Can you back it up ?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Lmfao U Arab ? Can you back it up ?

Look at some of their phenotypes, particularlly some with the colored eyes and lighter than usual hair especially when they are younger

 

[INCEST]

Look at some of their phenotypes, particularlly some with the colored eyes and lighter than usual hair especially when they are younger

JFLLLL I THOUGHT YOU WERE HIGH IQ DO YOU THINK LIGHTER PHENO= YAMNAYA DNA

 

[enchanted_elixir]

JFLLLL I THOUGHT YOU WERE HIGH IQ DO YOU THINK LIGHTER PHENO= YAMNAYA DNA

I’m speaking about hair and eye coloring, not skin coloring

Those are exclusively a sign of expression of Yamnaya genetics

 

[INCEST]

I’m speaking about hair and eye coloring, not skin coloring

Those are exclusively a sign of expression of Yamnaya genetics

NIGGA NO ? You have lost all respect from me

 

[Gargantuan]

It comes from the early dispersion out of the Caucasus after the Flood, when the Aryan line spread south and west. The coastal Semitic peoples, including the Canaanites, Phoenicians, and early Israelites, were in constant contact and intermarried with Indo-European groups along the eastern Mediterranean.

The Aryan element in Levantines is an ancient overlap between the Semitic and Indo-European branches of the same original Caucasian stock.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

NIGGA NO ? You have lost all respect from me

How do you explain the coloring among some of them then? And the occasional white passing Levantine?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

It comes from the early dispersion out of the Caucasus after the Flood, when the Aryan line spread south and west. The coastal Semitic peoples, including the Canaanites, Phoenicians, and early Israelites, were in constant contact and intermarried with Indo-European groups along the eastern Mediterranean.

The Aryan element in Levantines is an ancient overlap between the Semitic and Indo-European branches of the same original Caucasian stock.

Dont you think the descendants of the Yamnaya also contributed (Iranics, Europeans) via the crusades.and the aechemenid empire?

 

[Gengar]

Anyone?

He’s a know-it-all retard sometimes, but he probably knows the answer to this. @the Stoned One

 

[Gengar]

Dont you think the descendants of the Yamnaya also contributed (Iranics, Europeans) via the crusades.and the aechemenid empire?

I read that the Yamnaya were swarthy, and not white-passing. You’re probably thinking of the Sintashta culture…?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I read that the Yamnaya were swarthy, and not white-passing. You’re probably thinking of the Sintashta culture…?

Man I don’t know enough to say but I’m pretty sure they were phenotypically as stereotypes put them.

 

[Gargantuan]

Dont you think the descendants of the Yamnaya also contributed (Iranics, Europeans) via the crusades.and the aechemenid empire?

Those later movements likely added surface layers, but the Aryan current in the Levant predates them by millennia.

The Achaemenids and Crusaders just reawakened what was already there, traces of the same Indo-European line that had long streamed south down from the Caucasus.

 

[naturalpilled]

bigballslarry

 

[Gengar]

Those later movements likely added surface layers, but the Aryan current in the Levant predates them by millennia.

The Achaemenids and Crusaders just reawakened what was already there, traces of the same Indo-European line that had long streamed south down from the Caucasus.

Can you confirm or deny that Yamnayas were swarthy, unlike Sintashta?

 

[naturalpilled]

NIGGA NO ? You have lost all respect from me

nigga acting like ts means sum gtfo dis site

 

[pabloo]

Anyone?

Maybe because theres scythian(steppe) ancestry in Israel they lived in a city in ancient Israel maybe because of that

 

[Gargantuan]

Can you confirm or deny that Yamnayas were swarthy, unlike Sintashta?

The Yamnaya came from the same Caucasus-rooted Aryan stock as the Sintashta, they were just a more southern branch.
So I think that any difference in complexion or swarthiness was regional, not racial per se. Both were part of the same Indo-European lineage after all.

 

[Gengar]

The Yamnaya came from the same Caucasus-rooted Aryan stock as the Sintashta, they were just a more southern branch.
So I think that any difference in complexion or swarthiness was regional, not racial per se. Both were part of the same Indo-European lineage after all.

Mirin your knowledge on this stuff. Did you ever take a DNA test? I’m personally not interested in Steppe, I mean I’ve got considerable Steppe ancestry but funnily enough, I don’t have any Steppe haplogroups, most South Asians usually do have a Steppe haplogroup as their Y-DNA.

 

[Gargantuan]

Mirin your knowledge on this stuff. Did you ever take a DNA test? I’m personally not interested in Steppe, I mean I’ve got considerable Steppe ancestry but funnily enough, I don’t have any Steppe haplogroups, most South Asians usually do have a Steppe haplogroup as their Y-DNA.

I did

Received my 23andme ancestry results the other day

And yet I belong to haplogroup A, one of the oldest paternal lineages on Earth and most common among groups in eastern and southern Africa. Despite my autosomal DNA indicating over 99% Northwestern European ancestry, my paternal line is traced back to Africa, which is mostly unheard of for...

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Funny enough, my Y-DNA came back as haplogroup A, which is technically one of the oldest lineages on record. Yet my autosomal DNA is over 99% NW European.
I personally don’t buy the out-of-Africa theory these companies subscribe to, though. Lineages that they call African could just as easily trace back to much older migrations from the Caucasus or pre-Flood world before populations fragmented.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I did

Received my 23andme ancestry results the other day

And yet I belong to haplogroup A, one of the oldest paternal lineages on Earth and most common among groups in eastern and southern Africa. Despite my autosomal DNA indicating over 99% Northwestern European ancestry, my paternal line is traced back to Africa, which is mostly unheard of for...

looksmax.org

Funny enough, my Y-DNA came back as haplogroup A, which is technically one of the oldest lineages on record. Yet my autosomal DNA is over 99% NW European.
I personally don’t buy the out-of-Africa theory these companies subscribe to, though. Lineages that they call African could just as easily trace back to much older migrations from the Caucasus or pre-Flood world before populations fragmented.

Isn’t haplogroup A Khoisan?

 

[INCEST]

nigga acting like ts means sum gtfo dis site

You're a fucking chink inferior alien coinslot eyed Yellow cockroach eating subhuman

 

[Deleted member 196670]

There are no "Aryans" in the Levant. Unless we're talking about the Kurds of Syria (there are some Kurdish minorities in Jordan and Lebanon).

There isn't "Aryan" ancestry. There are only Iranian languages. If you speak one, congratulations. You're Aryan. If you don't, you're not. End of.

Should be worth noting that the Yamnaya weren't "pale".


"A genetic probe into the ancient and medieval history of Southern Europe and West Asia" by Lazaridis et al:

"Phenotypes of the Southern Arc in their West Eurasian context

Our survey of populations of the Southern Arc focuses on ancestry, but it also illuminates other aspects of biology. Superficial phenotypes such as pigmentation were remarked upon by ancient writers. We carried out a survey of predicted pigmentation and other phenotypes of West Eurasian populations across time to discover the extent to which ancient authors’ perceptions (based on direct observation or through reports of faraway peoples) might correspond to the genetic inference of their appearance. We find that the modal phenotype of eye, skin, and hair pigmentation in ancient West Eurasians was brown-eyed, of intermediate complexion, and brown hair—even among Yamnaya steppe pastoralists—contradicting stereotypical characterizations of Steppe peoples as being blue-eyed, pale-skinned, and light-haired. Note that when we use categorizations—such as “intermediate”—of the continuous skin tone phenotype, we use the scheme adopted by HIrisPlex-S; in that scheme “intermediate” skin tones are commonly found in present-day Mediterranean populations and “pale” ones in present-day Northern European ones."

So the Yamnaya weren't "white" or "pale".

Also, Steppe ancestry in Europe is clinal. So when one says "Europeans have Steppe" we may NOT equate a Maltese with a Frenchman LET ALONE a Latvian. They don't have close to the step AMOUNT of Steppe.

TL;DR, there's no such thing as "Aryan ancestry" and the Yamnaya weren't "white".

 

[registerfasterusing]

Anyone?

Its like 5% max probably from various factors

 

[INCEST]

Look into

There are no "Aryans" in the Levant. Unless we're talking about the Kurds of Syria (there are some Kurdish minorities in Jordan and Lebanon).

There isn't "Aryan" ancestry. There are only Iranian languages. If you speak one, congratulations. You're Aryan. If you don't, you're not. End of.

Should be worth noting that the Yamnaya weren't "pale".


"A genetic probe into the ancient and medieval history of Southern Europe and West Asia" by Lazaridis et al:

"Phenotypes of the Southern Arc in their West Eurasian context

Our survey of populations of the Southern Arc focuses on ancestry, but it also illuminates other aspects of biology. Superficial phenotypes such as pigmentation were remarked upon by ancient writers. We carried out a survey of predicted pigmentation and other phenotypes of West Eurasian populations across time to discover the extent to which ancient authors’ perceptions (based on direct observation or through reports of faraway peoples) might correspond to the genetic inference of their appearance. We find that the modal phenotype of eye, skin, and hair pigmentation in ancient West Eurasians was brown-eyed, of intermediate complexion, and brown hair—even among Yamnaya steppe pastoralists—contradicting stereotypical characterizations of Steppe peoples as being blue-eyed, pale-skinned, and light-haired. Note that when we use categorizations—such as “intermediate”—of the continuous skin tone phenotype, we use the scheme adopted by HIrisPlex-S; in that scheme “intermediate” skin tones are commonly found in present-day Mediterranean populations and “pale” ones in present-day Northern European ones."

So the Yamnaya weren't "white" or "pale".

Also, Steppe ancestry in Europe is clinal. So when one says "Europeans have Steppe" we may NOT equate a Maltese with a Frenchman LET ALONE a Latvian. They don't have close to the step AMOUNT of Steppe.

TL;DR, there's no such thing as "Aryan ancestry" and the Yamnaya weren't "white

Iranians are considered Aryans because they had a Aryan migration Iranian Neolithic farmers aren't considered Aryans

 

[Deleted member 196670]

Also, light skin between Western Eurasians is due to admixture that predates the Yamnaya. Pale Levantines didn't converge somehow from other Western Eurasians.

 

[INCEST]

@enchanted_elixir look into haplogroups you're a nice guy ali just not well informed

 

[INCEST]

This is debatable as nurisatanis kalash and dardics have Aryan dna and they all have light phenos

Also, light skin between Western Eurasians is due to admixture that predates the Yamnaya. Pale Levantines didn't converge somehow from other Western Eurasians.

 

[Deleted member 196670]

Look into

Iranians are considered Aryans because they had a Aryan migration Iranian Neolithic farmers aren't considered Aryans

No.

"The Sanskrit word ā́rya (आर्य) was originally an ethnocultural term designating those who spoke Vedic Sanskrit and adhered to Vedic cultural norms (including religious rituals and poetry), in contrast to an outsider, or an-ā́rya ('non-Arya').By the time of the Buddha (5th–4th century BCE), it took the meaning of 'noble'. In Old Iranian languages, the Avestan term airya (Old Persian ariya) was likewise used as an ethnocultural self-designation by ancient Iranian peoples, in contrast to an an-airya ('non-Arya'). It designated those who belonged to the 'Aryan' (Iranian) ethnic stock, spoke the language and followed the religion of the 'Aryas'"

 

[INCEST]

No.

"The Sanskrit word ā́rya (आर्य) was originally an ethnocultural term designating those who spoke Vedic Sanskrit and adhered to Vedic cultural norms (including religious rituals and poetry), in contrast to an outsider, or an-ā́rya ('non-Arya').By the time of the Buddha (5th–4th century BCE), it took the meaning of 'noble'. In Old Iranian languages, the Avestan term airya (Old Persian ariya) was likewise used as an ethnocultural self-designation by ancient Iranian peoples, in contrast to an an-airya ('non-Arya'). It designated those who belonged to the 'Aryan' (Iranian) ethnic stock, spoke the language and followed the religion of the 'Aryas'"

Brochacho from whom do you think Sanskrit and Persian

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Also, light skin between Western Eurasians is due to admixture that predates the Yamnaya. Pale Levantines didn't converge somehow from other Western Eurasians.

I'm talking about the origin of colored eyes, the lighter hair in their youth and the white-passing Levantines.
Nothing else. I'm not a hail hitler neo-nazi, pal.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

No.

"The Sanskrit word ā́rya (आर्य) was originally an ethnocultural term designating those who spoke Vedic Sanskrit and adhered to Vedic cultural norms (including religious rituals and poetry), in contrast to an outsider, or an-ā́rya ('non-Arya').By the time of the Buddha (5th–4th century BCE), it took the meaning of 'noble'. In Old Iranian languages, the Avestan term airya (Old Persian ariya) was likewise used as an ethnocultural self-designation by ancient Iranian peoples, in contrast to an an-airya ('non-Arya'). It designated those who belonged to the 'Aryan' (Iranian) ethnic stock, spoke the language and followed the religion of the 'Aryas'"

But the same thing is the case among Iranians. In persian, they use a similar term.
It's not called Indo-Iranian branch for nothing.

edit: didn't read the rest of the comment lol

 

[INCEST]

No.

"The Sanskrit word ā́rya (आर्य) was originally an ethnocultural term designating those who spoke Vedic Sanskrit and adhered to Vedic cultural norms (including religious rituals and poetry), in contrast to an outsider, or an-ā́rya ('non-Arya').By the time of the Buddha (5th–4th century BCE), it took the meaning of 'noble'. In Old Iranian languages, the Avestan term airya (Old Persian ariya) was likewise used as an ethnocultural self-designation by ancient Iranian peoples, in contrast to an an-airya ('non-Arya'). It designated those who belonged to the 'Aryan' (Iranian) ethnic stock, spoke the language and followed the religion of the 'Aryas'"

Also being Aryan was a big thing for Iranians and indians their places were called aryavart and Aryana

 

[Iblamehades]

Anyone?

med countries, plus levantine phoencians traded alot prolly took the fine women home

 

[Gengar]

I did

Received my 23andme ancestry results the other day

And yet I belong to haplogroup A, one of the oldest paternal lineages on Earth and most common among groups in eastern and southern Africa. Despite my autosomal DNA indicating over 99% Northwestern European ancestry, my paternal line is traced back to Africa, which is mostly unheard of for...

looksmax.org

Funny enough, my Y-DNA came back as haplogroup A, which is technically one of the oldest lineages on record. Yet my autosomal DNA is over 99% NW European.
I personally don’t buy the out-of-Africa theory these companies subscribe to, though. Lineages that they call African could just as easily trace back to much older migrations from the Caucasus or pre-Flood world before populations fragmented.

Mirin, I’ll check your thread soon. But if you’re white, I never would’ve guessed you’ve got A as your Y-DNA, since it’s common in Africa. I don’t exactly know if they have a certain agenda, but it could be. However, you could also be proof of the fact that Africa was a multiracial continent, and that white people weren’t originally black or whatever they like to say. Or you’re just the result of a bleachmaxxer.

Do you have your G25 coords? We can check your hunter-gatherer/farmer breakdown this way.

Also, what theory do you propose instead of out-of-Africa? I’m interested to hear your thoughts. I do find it peculiar that birds can be considered a different species altogether when they just have some minor phenotypic difference but we’re supposed to be all one race. I mean, if you think about it.. it doesn’t really make sense, does it? Many of us have Neanderthal admixture, and others have Denisovan admixture, both pre-dated Homo sapiens. We’re more mixed than they want us to believe. That’s what I think.

 

[Gengar]

I did

Received my 23andme ancestry results the other day

And yet I belong to haplogroup A, one of the oldest paternal lineages on Earth and most common among groups in eastern and southern Africa. Despite my autosomal DNA indicating over 99% Northwestern European ancestry, my paternal line is traced back to Africa, which is mostly unheard of for...

looksmax.org

Funny enough, my Y-DNA came back as haplogroup A, which is technically one of the oldest lineages on record. Yet my autosomal DNA is over 99% NW European.
I personally don’t buy the out-of-Africa theory these companies subscribe to, though. Lineages that they call African could just as easily trace back to much older migrations from the Caucasus or pre-Flood world before populations fragmented.

By the way, what was your maternal haplogroup? And did they update your results as well? If you got tested on the V5 chip, it should have.

 

[Deleted member 196670]

med countries, plus levantine phoencians traded alot prolly took the fine women home

Levantines are Mediterraneans. If you meant "Mediterranean Europe" then there are no Aryans in Southern Europe. Because there are no Iranians there.