Which IT job would you rather have?

[Jason Voorhees]

Product Manager= Very extroverted, travel all the time, No coding, High paying. Direct ticket to C suite lounge in tech Most CEOs in Tech start off as PMs like Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella,Stewart Butterfield etc but it is a high cortisol job. Every day is a war room of meetings and managing egos talking to engineers, and getting grilled by execs if one decision goes wrong.Work becomes repetitive same decks, same syncs, same fires.also job has heavy office politics. You don't really build the product you just negotiate its existence

Software developer= Highly Technical, Pay starts strong and scales steeply often matching or exceeding PMs long term. Only a few hours of deep work needed daily.No endless meetings, no performative leadership headphones on, code for a few hours and fuck off with a fat paycheck. Intellectually stimulating non repetitive work, can even work from home but very little social contact days can pass without real conversation with someone. You're always one layoff or budget cut away from being unemployed for months.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@jeoyw9192 @Debetro @Chadeep @browncurrycel @mvpisafaggot420 @User28823 @imontheloose @optimisticzoomer

 

[Mess]

I couldn't deal with the constant stress of being a project manager. I'm good socially, but I'm getting fired, week one, if that was the main aspect of my job.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@5'7" 3/4s @Swarthy Knight @Jattgymmaxx

 

[Swarthy Knight]

I couldn't deal with the constant stress of being a project manager. I'm good socially, but I'm getting fired, week one, if that was the main aspect of my job.

Product manager is quite different from project manager

 

[registerfasterusing]

I’ll take my chances as the software developer
I dont think id be a good product manager regardless

 

[Nex Gen]

I couldn't deal with the constant stress of being a project manager. I'm good socially, but I'm getting fired, week one, if that was the main aspect of my job.

Well, as you know the ONLY two jobs on modern Earth that are ACTUALLY worth having are either ATHLETE or RAPPER -- and both are already DOMINATED by none other than LTN BLACKS.

 

[ray]

the one that fucks the hot secretary im incel

 

[5'7" 3/4s]

Product Manager= Very extroverted, travel all the time, No coding, High paying. Direct ticket to C suite lounge in tech Most CEOs in Tech start off as PMs like Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella,Stewart Butterfield etc but it is a high cortisol job. Every day is a war room of meetings and managing egos talking to engineers, and getting grilled by execs if one decision goes wrong.Work becomes repetitive same decks, same syncs, same fires.also job has heavy office politics. You don't really build the product you just negotiate its existence

Software developer= Highly Technical, Pay starts strong and scales steeply often matching or exceeding PMs long term. Only a few hours of deep work needed daily.No endless meetings, no performative leadership headphones on, code for a few hours and fuck off with a fat paycheck. Intellectually stimulating non repetitive work, can even work from home but very little social contact days can pass without real conversation with someone. You're always one layoff or budget cut away from being unemployed for months.

I feel like as a manlet PM is not good for me, but at the same time I know how to make my presence known in a room, I’m also really good at negotiating things that I’m passionate about, but idk if it’s a given that the products I’m trying to build will always be inline with what the company needs tbh

Software engineer is my dream job tbh, I’ve been coding in scripting languages since I was in the fifth grade, I genuinely feel like although I have an average iq, this solidified some type of neuroplasticity in me that allows me to solve any problem given a good amount of time.

I think because I’m not that smart, my job will never get boring, unlike smarter people who will probably feel over time the work is becoming monotonous. Every problem is new for me.

 

[Uua]

Software developer little work nice

 

[Swarthy Knight]

How bout product marketing manager. I remember a Reddit post @Chadeep posted where some nigga was making 300k or sumshit while bragging about barely working any hrs

 

[mvpisafaggot420]

i wouldnt have the mental capacity to deal with people for more than 10 mins per day, and ive also made my choice to be a software dev already lol

 

[Jason Voorhees]

i wouldnt have the mental capacity to deal with people for more than 10 mins per day, and ive also made my choice to be a software dev already lol

You can still pivot to product management if you'd like. Many Devs do that. Either through an MBA or by switching roles internally once they've gained enough product exposure

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@BigBallsLarry @Luca_.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@htautist @wishIwasSalludon @CorinthianLOX

 

[seven?]

software developer

 

[BigBallsLarry]

Product Manager= Very extroverted, travel all the time, No coding, High paying. Direct ticket to C suite lounge in tech Most CEOs in Tech start off as PMs like Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella,Stewart Butterfield etc but it is a high cortisol job. Every day is a war room of meetings and managing egos talking to engineers, and getting grilled by execs if one decision goes wrong.Work becomes repetitive same decks, same syncs, same fires.also job has heavy office politics. You don't really build the product you just negotiate its existence

Software developer= Highly Technical, Pay starts strong and scales steeply often matching or exceeding PMs long term. Only a few hours of deep work needed daily.No endless meetings, no performative leadership headphones on, code for a few hours and fuck off with a fat paycheck. Intellectually stimulating non repetitive work, can even work from home but very little social contact days can pass without real conversation with someone. You're always one layoff or budget cut away from being unemployed for months.

software

 

[Shahnamehgymmaxx]

@htautist @wishIwasSalludon @CorinthianLOX

Every time you tag me in a thread with heaps of replies and every time I rep all your posts there, am I getting cucked by an Indian

 

[Jason Voorhees]

software developer

software

Any specific reason why being a PM won't work.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Every time you tag me in a thread with heaps of replies and every time I rep all your posts there, am I getting cucked by an Indian

I ask for opinions not reps

 

[widdi]

Have you seen the infamous product manager TikTok?

I thought it was a white girl job tbh

 

[Shahnamehgymmaxx]

I ask for opinions not reps

If I didn’t hate travelling I’d go product manager, much more scalable than a replaceable software engineer and you arguably get much more control over the actual product compared to software engineers who have to do their master’s bidding regardless.

 

[Mitakaa1341]

Software engineering ismore cortisol-inducing (depending on the complexity of the code you're writing). If there's a bug you just can't crack, it can linger with you for the rest of the day, especially for people who aren't mentally resilient which adds to the stress. On top of that, constantly having to stay up-to-date, learn new tech stacks, and look things up all the time can be annoying.

Product management, on the other hand, isn't as cortisol-inducing for people who are low inhib and nt, have strong communication and interpersonal skills, and are comfortable with public speaking. It's also generally perceived as higher status by foids. Additionally, you're less likely to be replaced by AI in the future.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Have you seen the infamous product manager TikTok?

I thought it was a white girl job tbh

It is indeed a white girl job at entry level but for those high paying roles that go beyond associate PM coordinator" tier, the real pressure kicks in. Those high paying PM roles Senior PM, Group PM, Director of Product they're high cortisol, high stakes, high politics. These foids are managing small teams of 30-40 people but in big tech you'd be managing multiple cross-functional teams

What this foid is doing is the low-tier work like feature scoping, writing user stories doing Wireframes on Figma, forwarding Jira tickets. It is product management but this job is more of a glorified not taking job. The real PM game is closer to executive strategy

 

[Sprinkles]

PM seems like it’s full of social chameleons and snakes

 

[gooner23]

The worst job i had was cause of meetings someone made a massive mistake and it caused like outages for 2 months straight and the passive aggressiveness of like every call had me holding my breath legitmately gave me corporate autism

 

[BigBallsLarry]

I ask for opinions not reps

Any specific reason why being a PM won't work.

i cant talk to people, especially ego talk

managing people and convincing and meeting them is too much work for my aspergers ass

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Software engineering ismore cortisol-inducing (depending on the complexity of the code you're writing). If there's a bug you just can't crack, it can linger with you for the rest of the day, especially for people who aren't mentally resilient which adds to the stress. On top of that, constantly having to stay up-to-date, learn new tech stacks, and look things up all the time can be annoying.

Product management, on the other hand, isn't as cortisol-inducing for people who are low inhib and nt, have strong communication and interpersonal skills, and are comfortable with public speaking. It's also generally perceived as higher status by foids. Additionally, you're less likely to be replaced by AI in the future.

This only holds true if you're in low stakes environments like the associate-level or internal tools like the ones @widdi posted Once you move up, PMs carry decision making accountability without direct control which is more stressful than solving a coding bug imo because you can't just fix human misalignment.


I don't really find debugging to a big deal. It is more than likely someone has already run into this bug before. Just quick Google search, reading some posts on stakeoverflow and reddit is enough to debug 99% of errors I've ever had. I never had much problem dealing with bugs. Once you build resilience that pressure is more manageable even quite rewarding I'd say @mvpisafaggot420 @gooner23

 

[Jason Voorhees]

PM seems like it’s full of social chameleons and snakes

Water

 

[Mitakaa1341]

This only holds true if you're in low stakes environments like the associate-level or internal tools like the ones @widdi posted Once you move up, PMs carry decision making accountability without direct control which is more stressful than solving a coding bug imo because you can't just fix human misalignment.


I don't really find debugging to a big deal. It is more than likely someone has already run into this bug before. Just quick Google search, reading some posts on stakeoverflow and reddit is enough to debug 99% of errors I've ever had. I never had much problem dealing with bugs. Once you build resilience that pressure is more manageable even quite rewarding I'd say @mvpisafaggot420 @gooner23

I think the difficulty of that stuff is kind of overblown. You're not going to be doing it on a daily 8-hour grind. It's more of something that happens occasionally and is spread out. It ends up being more intuitive, based on your experience,, your knowledge, and your IQ, rather than just grinding through research or whatever. But I don’t know for sure, never did product management. Also, debugging today isn’t as hard as it was several years ago. Back then, there weren’t nearly as many tools or AI support, and now it’s way easier. But what I meant by debugging wasn’t really just about code. I just used that as an example. I meant more broadly, like figuring out how to synchronize everything, etc that kind of stuff.

 

[isis_Bleach]

Product Manager= Very extroverted, travel all the time, No coding, High paying. Direct ticket to C suite lounge in tech Most CEOs in Tech start off as PMs like Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella,Stewart Butterfield etc but it is a high cortisol job. Every day is a war room of meetings and managing egos talking to engineers, and getting grilled by execs if one decision goes wrong.Work becomes repetitive same decks, same syncs, same fires.also job has heavy office politics. You don't really build the product you just negotiate its existence

Software developer= Highly Technical, Pay starts strong and scales steeply often matching or exceeding PMs long term. Only a few hours of deep work needed daily.No endless meetings, no performative leadership headphones on, code for a few hours and fuck off with a fat paycheck. Intellectually stimulating non repetitive work, can even work from home but very little social contact days can pass without real conversation with someone. You're always one layoff or budget cut away from being unemployed for months.

dnr you literal brown but if i did have to slave id boatslave

 

[Saint Casanova]

What do you think about AI automating software development and causing job losses ? Is it mostly fearmongering?

Either way I’m assuming being a product manager makes you more immune to that ?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

What do you think about AI automating software development and causing job losses ? Is it mostly fearmongering?

Figuring out what to write is 90% of software engineering. not how to write. Coding is the easy part. The thing that takes time is debugging, reading documentation, communication with clients. AI is useful for front end work and boiler plate code but for the core logic part you still need a human unless you are okay with having inefficient one time use code with bugs and security vulnerabilities

Either way I’m assuming being a product manager makes you more immune to that ?

Ofc. AI can't talk to people or negotiate and convince others to do something

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

product manager as im creative and want to slay marketing baddies

 

[Saint Casanova]

Figuring out what to write is 90% of software engineering. not how to write. Coding is the easy part. The thing that takes time is debugging, reading documentation, communication with clients. AI is useful for front end work and boiler plate code but for the core logic part you still need a human unless you are okay with having inefficient one time use code with bugs and security vulnerabilities

Ofc. AI can't talk to people or negotiate and convince others to do something

What’s the closest career in tech that’s a middle ground between those two ?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

What’s the closest career in tech that’s a middle ground between those two ?

In large tech companies I've seen a hybrid position called the Technical PM. You still technically own the product but youll also be writing code. You'll mostly be doing light scripting work and APIs so you don't have the pressure of shipping production level code like Devs but you'll still find the work interesting. Also no high stakes executive grillings or product launch pressures and daily meetings like product managers. Just a few once every few months. This is actually what many software devs do and the internal pivot I was talking about in my reply to @mvpisafaggot420 's comment

From an Software Engineer to a Technical Product Manager

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@slaters @Node @EthiopianMaxxer

 

[EthiopianMaxxer]

Easily software developer, I can't handle that much social interaction at all as a product manager

 

[seven?]

Any specific reason why being a PM won't work.

cuz product manager is all about meetings talking, convincing people, being super extrovertd that’s not really me I'd rather just focus on building stuff tbh and software dev is more cool and sounds highiq

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@iblamechico @Foreverbrad @Magnus Ironblood

 

[Foreverbrad]

Dev, it’s basically what mechanical engineering is except I’m forced into the (open plan) office which absolutely fries me as an introvert, forced to have meetings, and it’s all for basically minimum wage.

I wonder if software will go the same way and how long it will take.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@wishIwasSalludon

 

[iblamechico]

What would YOU pick?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

What would YOU pick?

Software engineer any day of the week. I have terrible social anxiety when I'm in a group. I like to be alone. Just give me my work, I'll fuck off to some corner of the office, not talk with anyone and submit it before the deadline. Ideal for me

 

[iblamechico]

Software engineer any day of the week. I have terrible social anxiety when I'm in a group. I like to be alone. Just give me my work, I'll fuck off to some corner of the office, not talk with anyone and submit it before the deadline. Ideal for me

If you could pick, what kind of software engineer? Like by specialization/platform types.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

If you could pick, what kind of software engineer? Like by specialization/platform types.

I am devops engineer and despite it being a little stressful when your on call. I'd still pick devops although I do still enjoy doing full stack developement.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

I’m already sd, its starting to piss me off but i’d rather be that than PM, i can’t cope with meetings all day and having to talk to new ppl. Maybe after a while you get used to it but idk

 

[Luca_.]

I think PM would be cool for someone who likes working with others. But Software engineer is just a better choice since you don’t like being around groups of people. I would also pick softwarw engineer

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I think PM would be cool for someone who likes working with others. But Software engineer is just a better choice since you don’t like being around groups of people. I would also pick softwarw engineer

Just seems like a more peaceful sustainable job that you can do long term

 

[Luca_.]

Just seems like a more peaceful sustainable job that you can do long term

Exactly