Which Midface Ratio is better?

[VampyrMaxx]

Original: 53mm Nasal Height, .955 MFR
Edited: 51mm Nasal Height, 1.0 MFR

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Heres the morph transition

 

[archef]

the one in the middle

 

[holycoper]

Compact midface always look better it is sign of good development of maxilla so

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Compact midface always look better it is sign of good development of maxilla so

If by compact you mean vertically short you are wrong.

Cameron Alborzian has a long maxilla but is still regarded as a top 3 maxilla oat.

And then you have Jordan Barrett who has a super short midface also regarded as a top tier maxilla.

Its more about the anterior growth of the maxilla and the occlusal plane angle

 

[VampyrMaxx]

thoughts? @thecel @mandiblade @Lookologist003

 

[smartstyle]

Heres the morph transition

Compact midface always look better it is sign of good development of maxilla so

Midface ratio depends on how far your eyes are and how long is your midface.

The perfect one would be having middle third around 33% of total face lenght, and having perfect IPD with one eye sepearion.

In other words - depends....

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Midface ratio depends on how far your eyes are and how long is your midface.

The perfect one would be having middle third around 33% of total face lenght, and having perfect IPD with one eye sepearion.

In other words - depends....

Facial thirds theory is bullshit.

Koinophilic and dimorphic humans don't have perfect facial thirds

 

[smartstyle]

Facial thirds theory is bullshit.

Koinophilic and dimorphic humans don't have perfect facial thirds

Lower third should be a bit larger than upper, but I THINK middle should stay around 33% if PERFECT anyways.

You could probably get away with it being smaller than upper one, but having small lower third could be shitty(Short face syndrome)

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Lower third should be a bit larger than upper, but I THINK middle should stay around 33% if PERFECT anyways.

You could probably get away with it being smaller than upper one, but having small lower third could be shitty(Short face syndrome)

the actual measurements matter more than how they compare to each other in a "ratio".

 

[smartstyle]

the actual measurements matter more than how they compare to each other in a "ratio".

Ratios are based on measurements... and actual lenght... uhh it's little bit unobjeftive and there is lots of cases where you would fall off trying to fix the ratios because other ones would fall off. It's hard to explain but I hope you understand.

There is a reason why there is ranges for ratios and not just blatant numbers.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Ratios are based on measurements... and actual lenght... uhh it's little bit unobjeftive and there is lots of cases where you would fall off trying to fix the ratios because other ones would fall off. It's hard to explain but I hope you understand.

There is a reason why there is ranges for ratios and not just blatant numbers.

Not really

 

[VampyrMaxx]

longer is more masculine

 

[thecel]

original looks better

 

[Lookologist003]

Five parts in a hundred difference does not matter.

 

[mandiblade]

Original: 53mm Nasal Height, .955 MFR
Edited: 51mm Nasal Height, 1.0 MFR

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There's 0 smv difference irl, but the original looks better, partly due to the fact that the 2nd's lips are less curved than the original. Positively curved lips is a high-iq trait.

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(I didn't read the study - just saw the image )

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Ratios are based on measurements... and actual lenght... uhh it's little bit unobjeftive and there is lots of cases where you would fall off trying to fix the ratios because other ones would fall off. It's hard to explain but I hope you understand.

There is a reason why there is ranges for ratios and not just blatant numbers.

the actual measurements matter more than how they compare to each other in a "ratio".

According to this post of yours(Nuclear's), the ideal bizygomatic width is 141mm ± 1mm.

Ideal Facial Measurements; Stop Relying On Ratios; White Measurements

Ideal IPD; Approximately 64mm Ideal Nasal Height (Vertical Distance From Pupil To Sub-Nasal); Approximately 50-51mm Ideal Philtrum Length; Approximately 14mm Ideal Lower Half of Lower Third Length (Vertical Distance From Mouth to Pogonion); Approximately 47mm (SWAYS A LOT) Ideal Bizygomatic...

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Ian Somerhalder has a ~127mm bizygomatic according to these 2 images, but still looks wide-faced

Spoiler: Original Images

 

[VampyrMaxx]

There's 0 smv difference irl, but the original looks better, partly due to the fact that the 2nd's lips are less curved than the original. Positively curved lips is a high-iq trait.
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Perceived Intelligence Is Associated with Measured Intelligence in Men but Not Women - PMC

The ability to accurately assess the intelligence of other persons finds its place in everyday social interaction and should have important evolutionary consequences. We used static facial photographs of 40 men and 40 women to test the relationship ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

(I didn't read the study - just saw the image )

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According to this post of yours(Nuclear's), the ideal bizygomatic width is 141mm ± 1mm.

Interesting study. I didn't mean for the lips curvature to change, I'm just bad at morphing lmao.

I would say that the nasal height seems to be a very masculine feature, so Im having body dysmorphia right now on whether I should hardmax it or not with a downgraft, although Giant said it looks good. I'll probably keep my nose as it is rn, tbh.

As for Ian Somehalder, it was measured wrong as it appears that his zygos are around 150mm. 127mm bizygomatic width is a death tier falio your face would be extremely pinched. If your new to measurements it'll take a while to understand how measurements look on a face.

As for the ideal bizygomatic width, Im more inclined to say now that the ideal seems to be around 144mm, not 141mm. This is actually great news for me, bcz I have a 147mm bizygomatic width .

 

[Snoofy]

none of this matters

 

[mandiblade]

Interesting study. I didn't mean for the lips curvature to change, I'm just bad at morphing lmao.

Np

I would say that the nasal height seems to be a very masculine feature

Agreed.

so Im having body dysmorphia right now on whether I should hardmax it or not with a downgraft, although Giant said it looks good. I'll probably keep my nose as it is rn, tbh

No offense, but you should probably try things that are much higher ROI than that, mainly forehead implants and chin implants. If you're genuinely planning a bimax, don't go through with the chin implants tho.

As for Ian Somehalder, it was measured wrong as it appears that his zygos are around 150mm. 127mm bizygomatic width is a death tier falio your face would be extremely pinched. If your new to measurements it'll take a while to understand how measurements look on a face.

I scaled his pupils to mm in gimp and it calculated them for me.


It's kind of impossible that it was miscalculated unless the image was lens-distorted.

 

[zaebalsya]

Ian Somerhalder has a ~127mm bizygomatic according to these 2 images, but still looks wide-faced

how tf u converted pixels into mm?

yes his skill is actually on smaller side

 

[VampyrMaxx]

Np

Agreed.

No offense, but you should probably try things that are much higher ROI than that, mainly forehead implants and chin implants. If you're genuinely planning a bimax, don't go through with the chin implants tho.

I scaled his pupils to mm in gimp and it calculated them for me.


It's kind of impossible that it was miscalculated unless the image was lens-distorted.

his bizygo is 15cm. The iris method is bad because of lens distortion and scaling which will throw off your measurements.

12.7 cm would look even more narrow than this. Look at any image of Ian and you can tall he has an above average width (average is 14.3 cm).

 

[mandiblade]

how tf u converted pixels into mm?

yes his skill is actually on smaller side

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I said it in the other post:

I scaled his pupils to mm in gimp and it calculated them for me.


It's kind of impossible that it was miscalculated unless the image was lens-distorted.

Using this software:

GIMP

GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program: The Free and Open Source Image Editor

www.gimp.org

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his bizygo is 15cm. The iris method is bad because of lens distortion and scaling which will throw off your measurements.

Do you have any images of him that you believe are not subject to lens distortion?

12.7 cm would look even more narrow than this. Look at any image of Ian and you can tall he has an above average width (average is 14.3 cm).

Although I made him look slightly crazy, the right guy's horseface was reduced even though I didn't touch his facial width. It is about proportions.

 

[VampyrMaxx]

I said it in the other post:


Using this software:

GIMP

GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program: The Free and Open Source Image Editor

www.gimp.org

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Do you have any images of him that you believe are not subject to lens distortion?

Although I made him look slightly crazy, the right guy's horseface was reduced even though I didn't touch his facial width. It is about proportions.
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If you want proof that only measurements matter, you can analyze the best faces in the world. You will realize that their features hover around average measurements.

When I measured 27 models, the average IPD came out to 64.8mm, the average is 65mm which is ideal. I was planning on making a thread to prove it but my logic has to be PERFECT and Im too lazy.

 

[Qara]

Compact midface always look better it is sign of good development of maxilla so

Nah, it look ass as you get older

 

[AscendingHero]

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Original: 53mm Nasal Height, .955 MFR
Edited: 51mm Nasal Height, 1.0 MFR

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Original with better eye spacing mogs

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

first

 

[clearness.]

Original: 53mm Nasal Height, .955 MFR
Edited: 51mm Nasal Height, 1.0 MFR

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Obviously first.

 

[clearness.]

Original: 53mm Nasal Height, .955 MFR
Edited: 51mm Nasal Height, 1.0 MFR

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