Why are Serbian people so brown?

[PubertyMaxxer]

Your average Serbian is basically as brown as a Bulgarian and often times browner than Turks.

Why is that?

 

[cytoplasm]

Turkish admixture

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Turkish admixture

But why are they often DARKER than Turks then ( except the Arab/Kurds) ?

 

[JackTheKnife]

Tall dark looks moggers

 

[cytoplasm]

But why are they often DARKER than Turks then ( except the Arab/Kurds) ?

Often? Youve never been to either country it seems

 

[Deleted member 23772]

This girl has serbian ancestry, yet her pheno is pretty white. Serbs are mixed.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

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This girl has serbian ancestry

This means she is barely Serb. True fully Serbs are definitely much browner.

, yet her pheno is pretty white. Serbs are mixed.

Serbs are phenotypically closer to swarthy Bulgarians.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Brown and white admixture produces foggers.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Brown and white admixture produces foggers.

Pure white Scandinavian is best

 

[Xangsane]

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Your average Serbian is basically as brown as a Bulgarian and often times browner than Turks.

Why is that?

Tanning desperately to look hispanic or middle eastern.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Tanning desperately to look hispanic or middle eastern.

Sweet xansange, thats not true, my gf has very similar coloring to op pic. Although balkan leople are never brown in skin naturally, even light brown, alot are olive.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Turkish admixture

Low iq or ignorant

 

[cytoplasm]

Low iq or ignorant

neither im from those regions buddy

 

[TsarTsar444]

The girl in OP isnt how majority of serbian girls look like tho, the majority look like Ukrainans slightly less blond (ukros aren't that blonde themselves though)

 

[OGJBSLAYER]

BALKAN NIGGER

FOR A REASON

 

[TsarTsar444]

neither im from those regions buddy

Yes me too, Serbs don't have turkish admixture, you can read every genetic study done to date on that. Its the other way around with turks being balkan mixed

 

[Beetlejuice]

Americans would think that woman is Mexican
@Ja-Ja Gabori

 

[Deleted member 25198]

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Your average Serbian is basically as brown as a Bulgarian and often times browner than Turks.

Why is that?

damn she looks good for a poojeeta

 

[vaseqmoherad]

Same reason white people are white.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

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Your average Serbian is basically as brown as a Bulgarian and often times browner than Turks.

Why is that?

Because they are arabs/gypsies?

 

[TsarTsar444]

Meanwhile aristocratic gothic bosnian women

Serbcels mixed with gypsies cause of being bottom class just above the black enuch slaves

 

[cytoplasm]

Yes me too, Serbs don't have turkish admixture, you can read every genetic study done to date on that. Its the other way around with turks being balkan mixed

Turks were there for a while and certainly left their mark. Serbs certainly arent blonde on or close to it on average

The girl in OP isnt how majority of serbian girls look like tho, the majority look like Ukrainans slightly less blond (ukros aren't that blonde themselves though)

 

[TsarTsar444]

Americans would think that woman is Mexican
@Ja-Ja Gabori

Tbh thats why i never saw latinos, turks and some arabs as non white, they are white to our eyes, but i can see why they aren't for pristine anglo nobles

 

[TsarTsar444]

Turks were there for a while and certainly left their mark. Serbs certainly arent blonde on or close to it on average

No they didn't, im the most knowledgeable person on ottoman history on this forum trust me, the ottoman empire is nothing as you would think it was, almost nobody understands it.

Here is a giga short tldr:
-turks were barely majority in Anatolia let alone any balkan presence (the farthest turks settled was modern Macedonia, Serbia had almost non)

-Mehmed Fatih and Bayazid were extremely tolerant rulers, and they conquered the Balkans, the conquests were immediate with almost no resistance, result being christians becoming dhimis, protected subjects of the sultan

 

[Deleted member 28691]

No they didn't, im the most knowledgeable person on ottoman history on this forum trust me, the ottoman empire is nothing as you would think it was, almost nobody understands it.

Here is a giga short tldr:
-turks were barely majority in Anatolia let alone any balkan presence (the farthest turks settled was modern Macedonia, Serbia had almost non)

-Mehmed Fatih and Bayazid were extremely tolerant rulers, and they conquered the Balkans, the conquests were immediate with almost no resistance, result being christians becoming dhimis, protected subjects of the sultan

What was the social standing of a balkan christian in ottoman society?

 

[TsarTsar444]

What was the social standing of a balkan christian in ottoman society?

This is a very complex question because it differed heavily based on what time period we are talking about and also on Orthodox vs Catholics

During the rise (1350-1480) especially under Mehmed Fatih, christians were subject to little islamic law and even christian knights and nobles had fhe equal status of Sipahi Timariot cavalry (the backbone of the state). What happened in these early conquests was that the previous nobility that surrendered or better didn't fight would continue doing the same job just under an Islamic Sultan this time. And this is where a big myth over muuh Jannisaries annoys me, actual christians also served the Osmanoglu family. Famous example is Stefan of Serbia.

Later on tho, during the peak of the 16th and 17th century things started to change, and the reason for this was balkan muslims emerging in mass (especially in the catholic lands of Bosnia, Slavonia, Albania). Previously the Ottomans had to respect the christians cause of almost non existent muslims in the new conquerored land, the Ottomans were an extremely tolerant Empire, if you hear something else online from balkan crybabies, ignore it. BUT the new muslims were natives, and animosity started to develop now, the muslims slavs (called bosnians today) started to rule over the western balkan frontier regions and because of its heavily war like nature with the Habsburgs, they would constantly impose high taxes on the christian serbs and croats, this started to get worse and worse, and alot of these serbs, vlachs, croats migrated to Austria.

Also a fun fact for today, Anatolia didn't become majority muslim until the mid 16th century (around 1550 during Suleimans reign). More then half of this population was indeed still greeks and armenians.

The Ottoman Empire is first and foremost extremely misunderstood by layman people, keep that in mind

 

[TsarTsar444]

What was the social standing of a balkan christian in ottoman society?

Completely forgot to mention maybe the most important bit. Orthodox Christians were the protected well cared ones, Catholics weren't and didn't have the same rights to build or repair churches. This is the reason why Bosnians, Croats, Hungarians, Albanians became muslim so quickly, they had complete excommunication with the Papal States

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Meanwhile aristocratic gothic bosnian women
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Serbcels mixed with gypsies cause of being bottom class just above the black enuch slaves

Yeah Bosnia has basically 0% Gypsys like Croatia and Slovenia, meanwhile Serbia and Bulgaria have 10% Gypsies, the highest in the region

 

[Deleted member 28691]

This is a very complex question because it differed heavily based on what time period we are talking about and also on Orthodox vs Catholics

During the rise (1350-1480) especially under Mehmed Fatih, christians were subject to little islamic law and even christian knights and nobles had fhe equal status of Sipahi Timariot cavalry (the backbone of the state). What happened in these early conquests was that the previous nobility that surrendered or better didn't fight would continue doing the same job just under an Islamic Sultan this time. And this is where a big myth over muuh Jannisaries annoys me, actual christians also served the Osmanoglu family. Famous example is Stefan of Serbia.

Later on tho, during the peak of the 16th and 17th century things started to change, and the reason for this was balkan muslims emerging in mass (especially in the catholic lands of Bosnia, Slavonia, Albania). Previously the Ottomans had to respect the christians cause of almost non existent muslims in the new conquerored land, the Ottomans were an extremely tolerant Empire, if you hear something else online from balkan crybabies, ignore it. BUT the new muslims were natives, and animosity started to develop now, the muslims slavs (called bosnians today) started to rule over the western balkan frontier regions and because of its heavily war like nature with the Habsburgs, they would constantly impose high taxes on the christian serbs and croats, this started to get worse and worse, and alot of these serbs, vlachs, croats migrated to Austria.

Also a fun fact for today, Anatolia didn't become majority muslim until the mid 16th century (around 1550 during Suleimans reign). More then half of this population was indeed still greeks and armenians.

The Ottoman Empire is first and foremost extremely misunderstood by layman people, keep that in mind

Nice, thanks for writing in-depth explanation.

 

[Deleted member 25198]

Americans would think that woman is Mexican
@Ja-Ja Gabori

there's barely any difference between mexicans/sand niggers/gypsies looks-wise

 

[TsarTsar444]

Yeah Bosnia has basically 0% Gypsys like Croatia and Slovenia, meanwhile Serbia and Bulgaria have 10% Gypsies, the highest in the region

The thing im most wondering is the absolute absence of black african dna in Balkan people, especially the muslims, or just the existence of blacks in the Balkans. I plan on doing research about this in the future, will go to Mosques to requests reading the Ottoman Defters for information as a start

 

[Deleted member 28691]

Completely forgot to mention maybe the most important bit. Orthodox Christians were the protected well cared ones, Catholics weren't and didn't have the same rights to build or repair churches. This is the reason why Bosnians, Croats, Hungarians, Albanians became muslim so quickly, they had complete excommunication with the Papal States

What are montenegrins?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

The thing im most wondering is the absolute absence of black african dna in Balkan people, especially the muslims,

or just the existence of blacks in the Balkans. I plan on doing research about this in the future,

will go to Mosques to requests reading the Ottoman Defters for information as a start

Why? Do you want Niggers to flood Eastern / Southeastern Europe aswell??? Isn't it enough that they colonised whole France/Italy/Germany?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

What are montenegrins?

Browner and more low-inhib Serbs

 

[TsarTsar444]

What are montenegrins?

Im am one from mom's side, and half from fathers maternal side (im bosnian on paper because every balkan muslim became bosnian in the 20th century). Montenegrins descend from the slavic elite who settled on the wealthy dalmatian coast during the Slavic migrations in the Balkans forming the states of Pagania and Duclea which stayed pagan until the late 10th century even. The slavs there mixed with the local illyrians and vlachs the most out of any other balkan people. Coupled with the steep mountain terrain and the fact that montenegrins were a mix of warlike people (slavs + romans + illyrians), made us impossible to control by the Ottomans, they never managed to subdue their lands except briefly. My grandfather even tho muslim still knows the oral traditional heroic montenegrin songs about battles with the ottomans and used to sing them

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

The girl in OP isnt how majority of serbian girls look like tho, the majority look like Ukrainans slightly less blond

(ukros aren't that blonde themselves though)

What? Ukrainians are among the palest on Earth.

 

[TsarTsar444]

What? Ukrainians are among the palest on Earth.

They are all dirty blonde, but that slavic blonde is easy to separate from aryan nordic blonde

 

[StuntmanMike]

I am whiter than serbs That is because turks forced them to have sex with gypsies.Average serb is half gypsy

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Im am one from mom's side, and half from fathers maternal side (im bosnian on paper because every balkan muslim became bosnian in the 20th century). Montenegrins descend from the slavic elite who settled on the wealthy dalmatian coast during the Slavic migrations in the Balkans forming the states of Pagania and Duclea which stayed pagan until the late 10th century even. The slavs there mixed with the local illyrians and vlachs the most out of any other balkan people. Coupled with the steep mountain terrain and the fact that montenegrins were a mix of warlike people (slavs + romans + illyrians), made us impossible to control by the Ottomans, they never managed to subdue their lands except briefly. My grandfather even tho muslim still knows the oral traditional heroic montenegrin songs about battles with the ottomans and used to sing them

Also Blood feuds are still practised in Montenegro.

Also how can you differentiate Montenegrins from other South Slavs? Do they have specific own surnames? Are they endogamous or mix with outsiders?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Also Blood feuds are still practised in Montenegro.

Also how can you differentiate Montenegrins from other South Slavs? Do they have specific own surnames? Are they endogamous or mix with outsiders?

Im am one from mom's side, and half from fathers maternal side (im bosnian on paper because every balkan muslim became bosnian in the 20th century). Montenegrins descend from the slavic elite who settled on the wealthy dalmatian coast during the Slavic migrations in the Balkans forming the states of Pagania and Duclea which stayed pagan until the late 10th century even. The slavs there mixed with the local illyrians and vlachs the most out of any other balkan people. Coupled with the steep mountain terrain and the fact that montenegrins were a mix of warlike people (slavs + romans + illyrians), made us impossible to control by the Ottomans, they never managed to subdue their lands except briefly. My grandfather even tho muslim still knows the oral traditional heroic montenegrin songs about battles with the ottomans and used to sing them

I am whiter than serbs That is because turks forced them to have sex with gypsies.Average serb is half gypsy

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

They are all dirty blonde, but that slavic blonde is easy to separate from aryan nordic blonde

Bump

 

[Deleted member 3573]

The thing im most wondering is the absolute absence of black african dna in Balkan people, especially the muslims, or just the existence of blacks in the Balkans. I plan on doing research about this in the future, will go to Mosques to requests reading the Ottoman Defters for information as a start

Would you say krajišnik Serbs from Croatia and Bosnia are the whitest Serbs?

 

[CFW432]

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This girl has serbian ancestry, yet her pheno is pretty white. Serbs are mixed.

holy fucking shit i would die irl if i saw that girl.

 

[CFW432]

No they didn't, im the most knowledgeable person on ottoman history on this forum trust me, the ottoman empire is nothing as you would think it was, almost nobody understands it.

Here is a giga short tldr:
-turks were barely majority in Anatolia let alone any balkan presence (the farthest turks settled was modern Macedonia, Serbia had almost non)

-Mehmed Fatih and Bayazid were extremely tolerant rulers, and they conquered the Balkans, the conquests were immediate with almost no resistance, result being christians becoming dhimis, protected subjects of the sultan

if ottoman rule was so benign and benevolent then why to balkaners (serbs mainly) bitch so much about it lol. I dont bitch about british rule over the indian subcontinent, because if it wasnt for them then its worshipping brahmins and drink cowpiss and raping dalits.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

if ottoman rule was so benign and benevolent then why to balkaners (serbs mainly) bitch so much about it lol. I dont bitch about british rule over the indian subcontinent, because if it wasnt for them then its worshipping brahmins and drink cowpiss and raping dalits.

Because being under Ottoman Rule is what differentiates them from the other Slavs ( West + Slovene/Croat & East) the most.

Each Slavic group wants to make themselves as special and unique as possible.

 

[Prettyboy]

Completely forgot to mention maybe the most important bit. Orthodox Christians were the protected well cared ones, Catholics weren't and didn't have the same rights to build or repair churches. This is the reason why Bosnians, Croats, Hungarians, Albanians became muslim so quickly, they had complete excommunication with the Papal States

Hungarians didn’t become muslim at all, instead the areas of the kingdom that was battle ridden (much of the Great plain, and Southern Transdanubia) become completely depoulated by the time the Ottomans were purged from the country at the end of the 17th century.

For reference, Budapest looked like this around 1600, full of mosques, yet not a single one stands today, with little to no remnants of the Ottomans ever being there:

The massive depopulated landmass at the southern border of the country was rehabitated centrally by the Habsburg government with Schwabs and Saxons from Germany and Serbians / Romanians moved in to Bánát and Vajdaság to fill the empy land .

 

[TsarTsar444]

Hungarians didn’t become muslim at all, instead the areas of the kingdom that was battle ridden (much of the Great plain, and Southern Transdanubia) become completely depoulated by the time the Ottomans were purged from the country at the end of the 17th century.

For reference, Budapest looked like this around 1600, full of mosques, yet not a single one stands today, with little to no remnants of the Ottomans ever being there:

The massive depopulated landmass at the southern border of the country was rehabitated centrally by the Habsburg government with Schwabs and Saxons from Germany and Serbians / Romanians moved in to Bánát and Vajdaság to fill the empy land .

Ottoman Hungary had a population of 1 million people with around 300k being muslim, Habsburg Hungary did have more then this, but Ottoman Hungary was in no way completely desolate, and non of those 250-330k muslims were turks because they settled in significant numbers as west as modern Eastern Serbia around the town of Nish. Budapest had a population of about 50k at least with almost all of this being muslims. Ottoman Hungary was super rural though. Shitton did migrate but to say a sizable parts of Hungarians didn't become muslim isn't correct, if you look at the Ottoman population patterns based on religion, catholic places like Albania, Bosnia, Croatia and Hungary had way faster conversation rates based on the population percentage then Orthodox regions had, because of the later having full rights and control in ghe Sublime Porte with the Constantinople Patriarch given full freedom to lead them in the Empire.
Slavonia in Croatia is an even more severe example, with majority of the people being recorded as muslim by 1683 judging by Ottoman censuses

 

[TsarTsar444]

if ottoman rule was so benign and benevolent then why to balkaners (serbs mainly) bitch so much about it lol. I dont bitch about british rule over the indian subcontinent, because if it wasnt for them then its worshipping brahmins and drink cowpiss and raping dalits.

Because it wasn't the Ottoman dynasty and turks who would brutally murder, burn and create the famous horrors of the Ottomans in the Balkans, but the local muslims in these lands. And also the fact how this only occured because of the christian population backstabbing the Ottomans and revolting againts them because the Habsburgs or Russians told them so, the local muslims would be deeply angered and went all loose. Take the few famous Serbian uprisings for example, the 1597, 1688, 1717, 1804, 1814, during these local pashas for the purpose of personal gains and of being truly angered would take revenge on Serbs "eye for eye" sort of way. The 1688 uprising as a reference, had Serbs burn down the biggest muslim city in the region, this had massive consequences later on as for the whole period of 1700-1878, the divide between the religions become huge now. 1804 another classic, where the muslim jannisary elite beheaded almost the entirety of Serbian intellectual elite during the infamous Belgrade massacre

In fact Mughal India is an almost perfect mirror image of this so you can get the concept, Indian muslims/Pakis vs Hindus = muslim bs christian balkan nigs, the British are more akin to Austro Hungarian occupation of both these groups and favoring one more then another (both AH and UK favored muslims againts orthodox/hindu, divide and conquer)

 

[Milosz]

because serbia is a poor country and most serbs don't have toilets so they don't wash themselves

 

[TsarTsar444]

Hungarians didn’t become muslim at all, instead the areas of the kingdom that was battle ridden (much of the Great plain, and Southern Transdanubia) become completely depoulated by the time the Ottomans were purged from the country at the end of the 17th century.

For reference, Budapest looked like this around 1600, full of mosques, yet not a single one stands today, with little to no remnants of the Ottomans ever being there:

The massive depopulated landmass at the southern border of the country was rehabitated centrally by the Habsburg government with Schwabs and Saxons from Germany and Serbians / Romanians moved in to Bánát and Vajdaság to fill the empy land .

Oh and also, the over 500k christian hungarians who left living in Ottoman Hungary were calvinists who the Ottomans greatly supported and the reason they wanted the turks more. There were pretty much no catholics left in those ottoman lands by the late 17th century