Why are things like ratios/symmetry considered universally and objectively attractive?

[Deleted member 685]

When they display no genetic quality themselves unlike things like chin, fat distribution, size etc?!?!


I'm fucking losing it

 

[Deleted member 685]

??? Respond fucking retard faggots

 

[IndianJock]

There is objective beauty in art/flowers, etc. This is tapping into that same human ability to recognize beauty

 

[Baldingman1998]

Because it usually signifies efficiency regarding everything. For example a guy with symmetrical lips and jaw will probably be healthier and has better oral/swallows/chewing etc posture. While a guy with an assymetrical jaw will have limited function on the face. This applies to limbs as well. We all have limbs that are stronger and bigger than others(hard to know tbh unless years of lifting or assymetry is big)

 

[Lars]

idk but middle indeed looks the best

 

[Deleted member 685]

View attachment 653196idk but middle indeed looks the best

YES BUT WHY DO WE AS HUMANS OBJECTIVELY CONSIDER HIS TO BE THE BEST?!?!!?

AAAAA I HAVE TO KNOW SOMEHOW FUCK

 

[Deleted member 685]

Because it usually signifies efficiency regarding everything. For example a guy with symmetrical lips and jaw will probably be healthier and has better oral/swallows/chewing etc posture. While a guy with an assymetrical jaw will have limited function on the face. This applies to limbs as well. We all have limbs that are stronger and bigger than others(hard to know tbh unless years of lifting or assymetry is big)

What about es ratio, midface etc? There's no function behind these, and people don't even know it's a result from x or y like mouthbreathing

 

[Lars]

YES BUT WHY DO WE AS HUMANS OBJECTIVELY CONSIDER HIS TO BE THE BEST?!?!!?

AAAAA I HAVE TO KNOW SOMEHOW FUCK

hard to explain mi boy he looks more masc in the middle to me

 

[Mr.cope]

Biology

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

Symmetry matters more for women than men. Ratios = harmony which is important for both genders. Dimorphism in the FACE matter more for men than women.

 

[Deleted member 6302]

Cause this simulation runs on math

 

[IndianJock]

YES BUT WHY DO WE AS HUMANS OBJECTIVELY CONSIDER HIS TO BE THE BEST?!?!!?

AAAAA I HAVE TO KNOW SOMEHOW FUCK

Lol. Expanding on what I wrote earlier. There is a sense of objective beauty that is universally recognized.

Why do both humans and bees see flowers as beautiful when we’re so evolutionary distant?Objective Beauty that is universally recognized

Since humans are intelligent creatures we are drawn to objective beauty. If there are intelligent aliens out there they would be able to distinguish beautiful humans from ugly ones, just like we can with art, buildings and animals, which we didn’t evolve to recognize

 

[Deleted member 685]

hard to explain mi boy he looks more masc in the middle to me

Why is masculinity considered objectively attractive for men?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Biology

What biology?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Lol. Expanding on what I wrote earlier. There is a sense of objective beauty that is universally recognized.

Why do both humans and bees see flowers as beautiful when we’re so evolutionary distant?Objective Beauty that is universally recognized

Since humans are intelligent creatures we are drawn to objective beauty. If there are intelligent aliens out there they would be able to distinguish beautiful humans from ugly ones, just like we can with art, buildings and animals, which we didn’t evolve to recognize

How did this beauty become objectively ideal?

 

[Darkstrand]

YES BUT WHY DO WE AS HUMANS OBJECTIVELY CONSIDER HIS TO BE THE BEST?!?!!?

AAAAA I HAVE TO KNOW SOMEHOW FUCK

Because on the left he looks like he has some jaw deficiencies which lead to the cyclopse ipd and on the right he looks like he has some waardenburg type genetic disorder

 

[IndianJock]

How did this beauty become objectively ideal?

Yea good question. I’m not sure why it is ideal, but there are just some universal laws of beauty like there are laws of mathematics like 2+2=4

I think it’s based on physical properties of the universe. Things that are less entropic and more orderly are seen as beautiful. And if you think about all the possible ways someone’s face could be arranged in terms of ratios, only a small portion of those arrangements are beautiful. For example, think about how many more ways you can morph a face to be uglier rather than beautiful.

My personal theory is beauty = this low probability outcome, a tendency towards more order.

But that doesn’t fully answer your question. Honestly I’m not sure, I think this is the best I know of at the moment.

 

[eyearea]

View attachment 653196idk but middle indeed looks the best

@MakinItHappen

 

[Mouthbreath]

mathematical symmetries are what make our universe possible in a way, asymmetry leads to chaos, nothing can be created out of asymmetry. In mathematics, beauty is very objective. What we humans find good looking in anothers face would theoretically be very complicated to analyse, as there are so many things that influence it, even on a personal level, making it a priori very subjective.

 

[Greecgawd]

sexual attraction is unconscious When encountering a potential mate, a part of the brain orders the release of neurotransmitters such as dopamine and serotonin, causing the sensations of love or attraction. There is no explanation. Some would also argue that Hollywood and media created what is deemed universally attractive

 

[Deleted member 6908]

@MakinItHappen

Why am I tagged? I know I look like that Chad. What's new? I share similarities almost all Chads. It's called the Chad gene.

 

[Deleted member 685]

Because on the left he looks like he has some jaw deficiencies which lead to the cyclopse ipd and on the right he looks like he has some waardenburg type genetic disorder

Why is looking like waardenburg syndrome considered unattractive?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Why am I tagged? I know I look like that Chad. What's new? I share similarities almost all Chads. It's called the Chad gene.

Ur ugly as fuck

 

[eyearea]

Why am I tagged? I know I look like that Chad. What's new? I share similarities almost all Chads. It's called the Chad gene.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Ur ugly as fuck

 

[Deleted member 5052]

Ratios are set mostly by eurocentric beauty standards not necessarily it has to be the peak of craniofacial development (ex chico). And symmetry means proper development and lack of diseases while growing up though it doesn't matter that much irl unless too much asymmetries

 

[Darkstrand]

Why is looking like waardenburg syndrome considered unattractive?

Because wardenburg is something you obviously don't want your children to inherit

 

[Lev Peshkov]

shows high quality genetics

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

you will see that when you get sicker (for example hypothyroid) your asymmetry increases.

When you manage to get out of this state, symmetry increases again.

i am ded srs.

 

[Deleted member 685]

I think it’s based on physical properties of the universe. Things that are less entropic and more orderly are seen as beautiful. And if you think about all the possible ways someone’s face could be arranged in terms of ratios, only a small portion of those arrangements are beautiful. For example, think about how many more ways you can morph a face to be uglier rather than beautiful.

My personal theory is beauty = this low probability outcome, a tendency towards more order.

Best explanation ever written tbh

 

[Deleted member 685]

shows high quality genetics

Yes but why are these genetics considered high quality?

you will see that when you get sicker (for example hypothyroid) your asymmetry increases.

When you manage to get out of this state, symmetry increases again.

i am ded srs.

Assymmetry in what regions?

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Yes but why are these genetics considered high quality?

Assymmetry in what regions?

i saw it in my own face, but I suppose its not limited to it.

I am completely unaware of the mechanisms behind it (I Suppose it as usual has to do with dna methylation), but I have read more observations like this on other forums.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

It's mostly arbitrary and difficult to explain that's how sexual selection happens. There's the good gene hypothesis, which states that those traits indicate some form of genetic fitness and the fischer runawaway hypothesis which states that traits found attractive are more arbitrary and unique to an individual species.

Birds are actually very interesting in this regard. I remember reading somewhere where male peacocks with larger tails and more spots/eyes on the tail was correlated to how many times and how many females it mated with.

 

[Deleted member 685]

It's mostly arbitrary and difficult to explain that's how sexual selection happens. There's the good gene hypothesis, which states that those traits indicate some form of genetic fitness and the fischer runawaway hypothesis which states that traits found attractive are more arbitrary and unique to an individual species.

Birds are actually very interesting in this regard. I remember reading somewhere where male peacocks with larger tails and more spots/eyes on the tail was correlated to how many times and how many females it mated with.

Haha reminds me of proboscis monkeys also known as the long nose monkeys. The ones with the biggest noses breed the most and are seen as leaders.

 

[ReverseNorwoodPill]

Yea good question. I’m not sure why it is ideal, but there are just some universal laws of beauty like there are laws of mathematics like 2+2=4

I think it’s based on physical properties of the universe. Things that are less entropic and more orderly are seen as beautiful. And if you think about all the possible ways someone’s face could be arranged in terms of ratios, only a small portion of those arrangements are beautiful. For example, think about how many more ways you can morph a face to be uglier rather than beautiful.

My personal theory is beauty = this low probability outcome, a tendency towards more order.

But that doesn’t fully answer your question. Honestly I’m not sure, I think this is the best I know of at the moment.

jesus christ way too many greycels here

 

[Deleted member 4645]

Because it indicates good genetic fitness, and we're wired to desire that.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Lol. Expanding on what I wrote earlier. There is a sense of objective beauty that is universally recognized.

Why do both humans and bees see flowers as beautiful when we’re so evolutionary distant?Objective Beauty that is universally recognized

Since humans are intelligent creatures we are drawn to objective beauty. If there are intelligent aliens out there they would be able to distinguish beautiful humans from ugly ones, just like we can with art, buildings and animals, which we didn’t evolve to recognize

This doesn't make a lot of sense if you actually delve deeper into it. Humans and bees don't have the same visual and neurological perception and will see flowers differently from each other.

Furthermore many species directly select for "ugly" traits like the probiscis monkeys which select for larger noses, which in humans is seen as not aesthetic.

 

[Deleted member 685]

Because it indicates good genetic fitness, and we're wired to desire that.

Yes but why does it dictate good genetic fitness? What caused that?

 

[Deleted member 4645]

Yes but why does it dictate good genetic fitness? What caused that?

I can't tell, maybe because of the function they serve?

For example being taller, wider and dom are traits that dictate good genetic fitness because they increased fighting success for our ancestors, and thus, are perceived to be more more attractive to female? Whereas traits that were unfavorable in terms of survival are deemed unattractive.

It's all speculation, I don't have an exact answer.

 

[Deleted member 6497]

YES BUT WHY DO WE AS HUMANS OBJECTIVELY CONSIDER HIS TO BE THE BEST?!?!!?

AAAAA I HAVE TO KNOW SOMEHOW FUCK

Because that's what tge majority think is attractive from seeing Hollywood movies and male models

 

[Deleted member 8758]

Because it usually signifies efficiency regarding everything. For example a guy with symmetrical lips and jaw will probably be healthier and has better oral/swallows/chewing etc posture. While a guy with an assymetrical jaw will have limited function on the face. This applies to limbs as well. We all have limbs that are stronger and bigger than others(hard to know tbh unless years of lifting or assymetry is big)

This.

Also it seems to indicate a person can fulfill their genetic potential rather than relying over specializing on certain niche genetic traits.

The universal aspect of attractive faces/bodies are its own archetype that seems to be timeless.

 

[IndianJock]

This doesn't make a lot of sense if you actually delve deeper into it. Humans and bees don't have the same visual and neurological perception and will see flowers differently from each other.

Furthermore many species directly select for "ugly" traits like the probiscis monkeys which select for larger noses, which in humans is seen as not aesthetic.

This doesn't make a lot of sense if you actually delve deeper into it. Humans and bees don't have the same visual and neurological perception and will see flowers differently from each other.

Furthermore many species directly select for "ugly" traits like the probiscis monkeys which select for larger noses, which in humans is seen as not aesthetic.

Yes good points. Not everything we consider beautiful or sexy is objective, some of it is, e.g fashion aesthetics are culturally determined, largely.

Even though bees and humans perceive flowers differently, I believe there is a perceptually invariant component of the flower that is objectively beautiful.

What do I mean by perceptually invariant? For example, though bees and humans see different colors on the flowers, I believe they see the same shape. The shape is pleasing to look at, regardless of its coloration.

 

[0Ace0]

Not sure where you got that from, symmetry is an indicator of immune system strength, which of course signals genetic quality

 

[Deleted member 685]

Not sure where you got that from, symmetry is an indicator of immune system strength, which of course signals genetic quality

Source? I've heard that before

 

[0Ace0]

Facial attractiveness: evolutionary based research

Face preferences affect a diverse range of critical social outcomes, from mate choices and decisions about platonic relationships to hiring decisions and decisions about social exchange. Firstly, we review the facial characteristics that influence attractiveness ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[0Ace0]

Also the reason high T traits signal good genes is because Testosterone/DHT are immunosuppressive, meaning the ability to withstand the cost of high T requires a good immune system.
That's also why facial asymmetry appears to be more common in men

Therefore the men with best immune systems will be: Facially attractive + highly masculine

 

[Taylorswift]

There is no deep explanation behind it. We humans find a certain combination of features and ratios on a person’s face to be beautiful and there is nothing that influences that. Can you explain why you find this beautiful?

There is no logical explanation behind as to why you find this exact combination of glowing lights and colors that is the Milky Way galaxy to be beautiful. You just do.

 

[Hightwolf]

as far as i know it's because of mainly 2 things. Firstly having average ratios means it's more likely you have genetic diversity and therefore better health. Because for you to have an unusual ratio it would mean both of your parents had that unusual ratio (or just you had shit development equally bad) meaning that they likely had similar genetics and you had less genetic diversity. The second thing is that unusual ratios or asymmetry could be a sign of another disorder, like down syndrome or something.

 

[AutisticBeaner]

it's just a sign of proper development, it's not that complicated