Who cares, would you rather have one brutal surgery that ascends you 3 psl points or 5 surgeries that hardly ascends you
Yea sure but it doesn't work well on adults and you'd have to wear it religiously for like 3 years to see results
There's gonna be some crazy stuff happening with face pulling in the next few years. This is the revolution.
Double jaw with genio and orbital implants is much easier to get than lefort 3
With MSE
You have to make an appliance, then buy copeandropes face bow and then wear that for like 20 hours a day for 3 years
Wait, but MSE expands laterally? How can u force forward growth too
no i mean how do u anchor it to the bone like the mse is being installed
Your bones shape should not be changed most of the time. It’s the placement that’s the issue. That’s why I don’t like genio either.
Yes, you can attach a face mask / puller to MSE
No, I said bone anchored.
Would pulling forward and laterally have any side effect? Btw can the facemask hinder the expansion of MSE or theyll both work along
I don’t see why not. I’d imagine it’s better because you’re pushing the zygos outward while pulling them. Ronald Ead also did this.
SO is making an appliance + fm cope? Would it be better for me to just get mse and then use copeandropes fp on top?
Ok so, Ronald says one of the reasons he didnt use a FM along his MSE was convenience. How much do u gotta wear it to make an impact?
No. If you’re young the appliance can still split your suture. MSE will always be superior, but if you’re on a budget the appliance is worth a shot before you pull the trigger on MSE.
12-14 hours per day. If you can wear it for 24 then that’s excellent. Ronald is high inhibition so he never wore it in public, and that’s why he got no forward growth.
Holy crap, i wouldnt wear that shit in public too ngl, prob ill have to schedule it so i wear it in summer. Im a neet so ill be able to wear it 24hours a day then.
I could wear it 24/7 but would be a bit hard at work considering i work in a lively supermarket
forgive me if question is bad
Ascend or die mirin
I see mike mew 26th feb do you think he’d give me mse?
Honestly I don’t think it will affect forward growth at all. Someone recently showed me a genius idea to pull at 2 different angles at the same time, and that makes a lot more sense. So basically imo if you want a more compact midface and no ape face then pulling above the plane makes the most sense.
Yes, this is possible as well. Pulling at a negative degree has never made sense to me.
I have no association with Mike lol, I don’t know.
If you got the time elaborate on that 2 different angles method, if not i dont mind.
Here is the 2 pulling angles theory:
Sorry I can’t answer the other question fully right now, I almost fell asleep writing this. Think about facepulling as a tree stump being pulled out of the ground.
Y it makes sense if i imagine it correctly. Ok bro take a rest, thanks for ur answers. Im gonna ask u about my last question when i see u online again jfl
If you were pulling to retract your lower third and expand your upper jaw (underbite), would it be better it to pull #1, #2 or #3?
I really dont know. #2 seems like a "safe" way to pull i guess?
I agree it's definitely the safest way. That's what the orthodontist recommended as well.
Midface implants instead of orbital and i agree
Why wouldn't the bone in the higher maxilla move forward as well?
You would need both a custom implant to augment the malar eminence and paranasal area + lateral and infraorbital rim implants to achieve the same result as a Lefort 3.
Move bones or die mirinYou would need both a custom implant to augment the malar eminence and paranasal area + lateral and infraorbital rim implants to achieve the same result as a Lefort 3.
You could get a designed custom implant to cover the whole area, like this one:
