Why does no on talk about atrocities committed by USSR?

[Jason Voorhees]

Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples. People were literally slaughtered by the red army but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did the western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

 

[piec]

idk, seems like everyone forgot about ukraine commiting a genocide on poles too

 

[Deleted member 102323]

idk, seems like everyone forgot about ukraine commiting a genocide on poles too

 

[piec]

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shit dnr vid tbh

 

[Deleted member 102323]

shit dnr vid tbh

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@psychomandible @byvw @Debetro @deadstock @nathan

 

[piec]

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this one goes harder

 

[Debetro]

Then you dive into more and suddenly you become a nazi

 

[Gargantuan]

Because the perpetrators were Jewish.

 

[Org3cel]

Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples. People were literally slaughtered but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did the western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

The story was told by the winners, they make themselves look good obviously

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The story was told by the winners, they make themselves look good obviously

True Holocaust is remembered, atrocities committed by allies, like the Bombing of Dresden or colonial violence no one cares about

 

[Deleted member 83081]

Katyn massacre

I think it is not taken seriously because it happened during WW2. Since millions of soldiers and civilians died at that time, the massacre of 20,000 people is not brought up much.

The Holodomor

The Holodomor happened before WW2. At that time, the US was not yet the world's police and was isolationist. UK was dealing with the problems of the empire. Neither of them cared. Moreover, the West was not acting together at that time.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I think it is not taken seriously because it happened during WW2. Since millions of soldiers and civilians died at that time, the massacre of 20,000 people is not brought up much.

Cope massacre was a targeted crime against a specific group (Polish officers and elites) with clear intent to eliminate Polish leadership this makes it significant and distinct from the generalized manslaughter of war.

The Holodomor happened before WW2. At that time, the US was not yet the world's police and was isolationist. UK was dealing with the problems of the empire. Neither of them cared. Moreover, the West was not acting together at that time.

Alsp cope it's not true that US and UK didn't care because they were preoccupied both nations selectively acted on other atrocities and events. For example, Nazi war crimes were highlighted even during the war to rally public opinion.

West recognized the Armenian Genocide retroactively too despite it occurring during WWI for example. Katyn and Holodomor both were overlooked because of the West's reliance on the Soviet Union during WWII and later Cold War politics, not because of muh they were proccupied.

 

[Akhi]

War crimes werent a thing back then, every major player in WW2 did some fucked up shit

britain in india and their colonies

germans we all know

japanese probably did the most fucked up shit of all of them

soviets gulag starvation etc

there were no war crimes or laws regarding it back then

 

[Jason Voorhees]

War crimes werent a thing back then, every major player in WW2 did some fucked up shit

britain in india and their colonies

germans we all know

japanese probably did the most fucked up shit of all of them

soviets gulag starvation etc

there were no war crimes or laws regarding it back then

The Geneva Conventions of 1929 was already agreed upon by then which means acts like the Katyn Massacre already violated international laws. Holocaust, Unit 731, Rape of Nanking were condemned for being crimes against humanity and they established the Nuremberg Trials immediately after the war to prosecute these people but they ignored their own violations such as Britain's policies in India that caused the Bengal Famines and Soviet atrocities like the Gulag system or the Katyn Massacre.

 

[Deleted member 101201]

Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples. People were literally slaughtered by the red army but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did the western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

because they were sponsored by the jews?

 

[Orc]

because the ussr doesn't exist anymore.

 

[diditeverbegin]

Well one thing about socialism/communism that differs from fascism is fascism is a violent ideology by nature. Nazism sought to annihilate millions which is one reason it is focused on more than the USSR

 

[Jason Voorhees]

because the ussr doesn't exist anymore.

Nazi germany also doesn't exist anymore

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Both retarded ideologies but we're never implemented properly. Communism in USSR was just loads of corruption and oppression. The Karl Max idea of communism was never implemented in the first place.

Nazism was all about in racial purity, anti-Semitism and national expansion (Lebensraum to establish a "superior" Aryan race and a totalitarian state but all of it was derailed by corruption, personal rivalries within the Nazi Party, and the pressures of World War

Well one thing about socialism/communism that differs from fascism is fascism is a violent ideology by nature. Nazism sought to annihilate millions which is one reason it is focused on more than the USSR

I.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Britain killed millions of Indians during world-war 2 with a man-made famine too. Are you aware?

 

[Deleted member 45794]

They do though...

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Britain killed millions of Indians during world-war 2 with a man-made famine too. Are you aware?

Yes I'm aware. 1/3rd of the population was wiped out in the faminies. Applies to britain just as much.

 

[diditeverbegin]

Britain killed millions of Indians during world-war 2 with a man-made famine too. Are you aware?

Famine deaths, not all were Ik, get much less attention than systemic genocide

 

[Orc]

Nazi germany also doesn't exist anymore

who's talking about nazis.

german culture essentially doesn't even exist, germany as a country is very young and every part of it just has a regional culture, rather than an all encompassing overlapping 'german' identity.

 

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[Deleted member 83081]

Cope massacre was a targeted crime against a specific group (Polish officers and elites) with clear intent to eliminate Polish leadership this makes it significant and distinct from the generalized manslaughter of war.

What is important here is not whether the people killed were officers or elites. After all, 20,000 humans were killed.

What did you expect to happen? While all the countries in the world are already having conflicts and problems and political tensions are increasing everywhere, everyone else would react because 20,000 people were killed?

Pre-war events
Italian invasion of Ethiopia (1935)
Spanish Civil War (1936–1939)
Japanese invasion of China (1937)
Soviet–Japanese border conflicts
European occupations and agreements: In Europe, Germany and Italy were becoming more aggressive.
WW2 is complete another story.

Moreover, the West was not acting together at that time.

Alsp cope it's not true that US and UK didn't care because they were preoccupied both nations selectively acted on other atrocities and events. For example, Nazi war crimes were highlighted even during the war to rally public opinion.

West recognized the Armenian Genocide retroactively too despite it occurring during WWI for example. Katyn and Holodomor both were overlooked because of the West's reliance on the Soviet Union during WWII and later Cold War politics, not because of muh they were proccupied.

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I said they didn't care to keep it short and simple. But what actually happened was that they made a strategic decision, which is the most logical one. The eastern front was needed to distract the Nazis and they cooperated with the Soviets. It didn't make sense to say that there was a massacre after that time for 20,000 people who had already died. It was a decision that had to be made against the Nazi threat when there was a much bigger war and tension.

Muhhh ''Why did so called West turn a blind eye to the Soviet genocides'' is a stupid approach.

During the Cold War, they have no reason not to recognize the genocides committed by the Soviets, because they were on different sides. Moreover, from the beginning to the end of the Cold War, the West was ahead in every conceivable field, military/economic/industrial etc. If it had been the other way around, they might not have said it because they were hesitant, but as I said, such a situation is out of the question.

Katyn is not a genocide but massacre
The Holodomor is still open to debate because there are even Western historians who do not accept it as genocide.

Holodomor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Holodomor is different because it was not an ethnic killing but rather the end of agriculture and therefore starvation. As expected, it is a more controversial issue. Russia still denies it.

There is also the fact that the Holodomor was kept secret from the world media as much as possible during the period it occurred and even censored within the country.

I have already mentioned above that political tensions increased all over the world at similar dates. There wasn't unified West also. When all these are brought together, the statement "Why didn't the West act?" becomes absurd because whether or not this was a genocide is a subject of debate in international politics even today.

 

[Deleted member 83081]

never implemented properly

communism itself is problematic.

 

[MaghrebGator]

USSR was the second most influential and organized power in the world so they have always had a great influence into the media which shaped what is to be spoken about and what shouldn't be spoken about.

They can always counter every propaganda (Whether real or not) piece and make it go viral because they have their own media everywhere in the world, their own think-tanks, etc etc etc. It is big enough that it reached a point in which no one can discern the truth from falsehood in a certain event except people who witnessed it and specialists who spent their lives studying it. It's noticeable nowadays with Russia, you can see how many people just carry with themselves Russian talking points including inside western political administrations of NATO countries. That is influence.

It has good on it however. If it wasn't for that we wouldn't even heard off the atrocities of the US in Vietnam and Korea, the experiments they did with human beings, the concentration camps of the British on East Asia, etc etc etc

Look at the Nazis for example, they were left with no power to counter anything and were demolished mediatically by the two dominant nations and their media arm, and today you can't even question holocaust numbers and a great deal of events in a lot of countries due to that imbalance of influence, and still to this day being called a Nazi or a fascist is one of the worst insults in the eyes of the entire world.

 

[incel194012940]

They did in 1980 because anti-soviet refugees the intelligence agencies and right wingers had a common enemy in the Soviet Union.

If you go to the library you'll find books about these subjects that were all published and put into circulation between 1950-1990 and are slowly getting culled.

 

[Deleted member 114808]

What was far more horrible was what the NKVD did to their own citizens. Real bastards.

 

[imontheloose]

Britain and other allied countries only cared when countries of strategic importance and countries that had their direct interests in mind were invaded. Soviet Union carried out brutal atrocities but the entire western world turned a blind eye to them the Katyn massacre is one of most infamous examples. People were literally slaughtered by the red army but not a single country in the west cared. The Holodomor a man-made famine killing millions of Ukrainians and it is lost in the pages of history. Where did the western democratic values of freedom go when ussr was carrying out these atrocities.

Seems like you forgot who controlled all of it and organised it all brother

 

[Saint Casanova]

Total hohol death

 

[looksmaxxed]

because it invariably leads to the jewish question, that's really why.

why were the apparatchik all jews? why were christians and kulaks(closest thing to a white person in russia) specifically targeted?

communism gave them plausible deniability to go after whites in the guise of politics. it was really systematic anti white jewish behavior manifest on the scale of empire. this is why the holodomor completely dwarfs the already vastly over exaggerated holocaust death count