Why Dutchs are taller (theory)

[lordfrodo]

So we all know for the fact that Dutch people are the tallest people in the world. But why ? I mean every European country have good food and resources to grow their children to their max but why it's only Dutch.
Then I looked for a study fon on a kind of fish , I know you would say it's silly but it's not.
The fish that was chosen had sexual maturity in few months after they were born, so it was easy to observe changes throughout time.
1 First they took a sample of that fish ( I can't remember the name now but believe me it's truth ) and droped in its natural habitat of Trinidad which is in the fast currents of river just before a fall. Because there is lot of turbulence or disturbence in the water, the predatory fish that hunts these fishes stay away. That provides them hunter free zone and abundance of resources to thrive.
2. Now they placed a group of these fishes in environment filled with predatory fishes that hunt them.
Result - They found out that those fishes that were in free predatory zone and had abundance of resources, had fewer offsprings but they were bigger !
And in the second situation, the offsprings were more but they were smaller due to lack of enough resources.
Conclusion - They concluded that in order to ensure the survival of the species, it's encoded in our genes to produce as much as we can , that doesn't include quality but quantity. That's what second scenario showed that due to lack of resources but danger of survival caused them to reproduce more in numbers.

The same logic can be applied in the real world too.
Dutchs don't have lack of resources and they don't reproduce like rats , so in order to survive they got bigger.
But for the Asians like Indonesians and Chinese, they reproduced like crazy with same kind of resources (in terms of quality) so they instead grew large in numbers rather than in size.

 

[ascendedd]

Dnr, fuck you

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Dnr, fuck you

Stop being a faggot op is high iq

 

[ascendedd]

Stop being a faggot op is high iq

I am low iq

 

[190cm90kg]

r vs k selection

 

[lordfrodo]

Also , when they compared their embryo sizea and their quality; it was found that they were bigger in sizes and of better quality with fishes living in low predatory zone and who reproduced less. Indicating a direct correlation...

 

[BongMog]

Food

 

[flippasav]

Diet diet diet diet switch the lifestyles around Indians and south Euros would be taller

 

[the BULL]

Diet diet diet diet switch the lifestyles around Indians and south Euros would be taller

Nope south euro diet Is good enough
It's genetics and tallest ppl are Bosnia Erzegovina / dinaric alps at 185 cms average

 

[flippasav]

Nope south euro diet Is good enough
It's genetics and tallest ppl are Bosnia Erzegovina / dinaric alps at 185 cms average

We’re talking about evolution. 8,000 years ago South Euros were taller because their diet was based on meat. Now 6,000 years ago Middle Easterna invaded South Europe and have a wheat based diet.

 

[lordfrodo]

Nope south euro diet Is good enough
It's genetics and tallest ppl are Bosnia Erzegovina / dinaric alps at 185 cms average

Average height is always increasing in developed western countries. It's about long term evolution not just one generation thing...

 

[the BULL]

We’re talking about evolution. 8,000 years ago South Euros were taller because their diet was based on meat. Now 6,000 years ago Middle Easterna invaded South Europe and have a wheat based diet.

They also polluted Italy with their manlet genetics. Northern italians are 180 cms average and if you removed the southerners Who live in the North i'm sure they would basically be as tall as the dutches

 

[the BULL]

Average height is always increasing in developed western countries. It's about long term evolution not just one generation thing...

It's not, boomers are as tall as zoomers. It's increasing in third world countries

 

[flippasav]

They also polluted Italy with their manlet genetics. Northern italians are 180 cms average and if you removed the southerners Who live in the North i'm sure they would basically be as tall as the dutches

Yet Nordic Stacies desire manlet alpha south Euro cock who are footballers, rappers, singers, mafia gang members all 5’4-5’8

 

[fauxfox]

It's diet, they were like 165cm average before the huge jump. They have ideal diet for growth. Milk consumption unironically substantially increases final height.

 

[the BULL]

Yet Nordic Stacies desire manlet alpha south Euro cock who are footballers, rappers, singers, mafia gang members all 5’4-5’8

Bro i've lived in far North of Italy (basically almost dinaric alps) and dark colored southerner manlets were literally INVISIBLE, heightmogged by 12 yo girls lmao mocked Just for existing with their tiny frames and skulls.

 

[SwissArms]

Not a word its the dairy retard

 

[lordfrodo]

It's not, boomers are as tall as zoomers. It's increasing in third world countries

 

[the BULL]

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I was talking about last 20 Years. Obv average height had increased while shifting from rural to indutrial society.

 

[lordfrodo]

I was talking about last 20 Years. Obv average height had increased while shifting from rural to indutrial society.

European countries shifted to industrial era a lot earlier. It significantly improved their income of people,hence increasing consumption of resources. Now, resources are exchanged at a much faster and efficient way hence increasing the consumption. So it's going to be an upward curve for a bit of time ...

 

[the BULL]

European countries shifted to industrial era a lot earlier. It significantly improved their income of people,hence increasing consumption of resources. Now, resources are exchanged at a much faster and efficient way hence increasing the consumption. So it's going to be an upward curve for a bit of time ...

I already ate more than enough as a kid, all nutrient Rich food. Next generations aren't going to eat more or Better (they would Just become gigafat if they did)

 

[Primalsplit]

It's diet, they were like 165cm average before the huge jump. They have ideal diet for growth. Milk consumption unironically substantially increases final height.

It's time to cheese max I think.

 

[fauxfox]

It's time to cheese max I think.

Cheese might fuck with the vitamins and proteins but I'm not sure about the science. Irank virtually no milk even though I can digest it without any problems and I regret it.

 

[5.5psl]

It's the diet that's the major reason why avg height is 6'0-6'1 in Scandinavia
Sunlight exposure by working outside too is one of the biggest factors.
To get a height halo there you have to be like 6'5+ tbh

 

[lordfrodo]

Cheese might fuck with the vitamins and proteins but I'm not sure about the science. Irank virtually no milk even though I can digest it without any problems and I regret it.

I wouldn't be on this site if I just ate the right food too....

 

[fauxfox]

I wouldn't be on this site if I just ate the right food too....

I sabotaged my growth with accutane and a diet of sugary candies. I was 5'10 at 15/16 and I'm 5'11 at 22.

 

[lordfrodo]

I sabotaged my growth with accutane and a diet of sugary candies. I was 5'10 at 15/16 and I'm 5'11 at 22.

Wtf, I am on Accutane at 17 right now...

 

[Deleted member 15468]

the real reason is because they consume a lot more dairy than other cultures in europe

 

[Ceo of cope]

It's just genetics.
In iran also ppl consume a lot of dairy especially in sone regions but avg height is like 175cm

 

[Deleted member 15468]

It's just genetics.
In iran also ppl consume a lot of dairy especially in sone regions but avg height is like 175cm

theyre malnourished in other ways

what im saying is durch reach their potential because their diet mogs

if other western europeans copy their diet they will reach same height on avg

 

[orangomango2003]

So we all know for the fact that Dutch people are the tallest people in the world. But why ? I mean every European country have good food and resources to grow their children to their max but why it's only Dutch.
Then I looked for a study fon on a kind of fish , I know you would say it's silly but it's not.
The fish that was chosen had sexual maturity in few months after they were born, so it was easy to observe changes throughout time.
1 First they took a sample of that fish ( I can't remember the name now but believe me it's truth ) and droped in its natural habitat of Trinidad which is in the fast currents of river just before a fall. Because there is lot of turbulence or disturbence in the water, the predatory fish that hunts these fishes stay away. That provides them hunter free zone and abundance of resources to thrive.
2. Now they placed a group of these fishes in environment filled with predatory fishes that hunt them.
Result - They found out that those fishes that were in free predatory zone and had abundance of resources, had fewer offsprings but they were bigger !
And in the second situation, the offsprings were more but they were smaller due to lack of enough resources.
Conclusion - They concluded that in order to ensure the survival of the species, it's encoded in our genes to produce as much as we can , that doesn't include quality but quantity. That's what second scenario showed that due to lack of resources but danger of survival caused them to reproduce more in numbers.

The same logic can be applied in the real world too.
Dutchs don't have lack of resources and they don't reproduce like rats , so in order to survive they got bigger.
But for the Asians like Indonesians and Chinese, they reproduced like crazy with same kind of resources (in terms of quality) so they instead grew large in numbers rather than in size.

it's very simple. the dutch are the tallest for the same reason they have the biggest dicks. and it's not because of nutrition.
for the last 500 years the Netherlands was the best country to live in based on wealth/purchasing power for the average person (it was rich because of spice/slave trade, only difference between france and england is that it was a republic not an absolutist monarchy). because the women didn't select as much as other countries for the wealth of the man (because it wasn't that rare to be wealthy) they selected more for physical traits like height and dick size.

wealth over time equals in taller height and bigger dicks, but it's not directly because of nutrition. dicks don't grow bigger because you eat certain foods it's only genetics. why are guys from the USA shorter and have smaller dicks? it's because of the (religious) family structure and money driven economy.

in the US the idea was that the man provides for the family and the woman need a wealthy man to survive. also religion caused woman to not choose what they actually wanted (tall + big dick). the Netherlands is an athiest country where women had more rights and the average guy was wealthy enough causing bigger dicks and tall men to reproduce.

 

[Deleted member 15468]

it's very simple. the dutch are the tallest for the same reason they have the biggest dicks. and it's not because of nutrition.
for the last 500 years the Netherlands was the best country to live in based on wealth/purchasing power for the average person (it was rich because of spice/slave trade, only difference between france and england is that it was a republic not an absolutist monarchy). because the women didn't select as much as other countries for the wealth of the man (because it wasn't that rare to be wealthy) they selected more for physical traits like height and dick size.

wealth over time equals in taller height and bigger dicks, but it's not directly because of nutrition. dicks don't grow bigger because you eat certain foods it's only genetics. why are guys from the USA shorter and have smaller dicks? it's because of the (religious) family structure and money driven economy.

in the US the idea was that the man provides for the family and the woman need a wealthy man to survive. also religion caused woman to not choose what they actually wanted (tall + big dick). the Netherlands is an athiest country where women had more rights and the average guy was wealthy enough causing bigger dicks and tall men to reproduce.

so much bullshit you could use it to fertilize a whole country

 

[orangomango2003]

so much bullshit you could use it to fertilize a whole country

It's not bullshit. malnourishment prevents people from reaching their potional height but diet doesn't increase height (it only prevents height decrease) so you can't say that diet increases height over generations that's just something you saw in a milk ad to make you drink milk.

The reason the Dutch and all other countries in the world became taller is because of sexual selection. The selection for height and dick size just started sooner and was more widespread for the Dutch because it was a wealthy country. It's very simple to understand but some guys on reddit and looksmax still think diet is going to make you 6'2. no it doesn't, your genetics is all what matters.

If the Dutch diet was the reason for their height and dick size then why does Ecuador have the biggest average dick in the world and some African tribes have the tallest height? it's all because of sexual selection (if you don't understand that you have low IQ).

Good diet is a side effect of being wealthy (so of course the Dutch had a good diet) but it's not the reason they became taller over generations that was all because of women not needing a wealthy men and choosing for other traits which include height and dick size. that's also why asians have small dicks (not because their shit diet) they have a family structure where the man provides for the female. except you see this changing especially in countries like South-Korea where they adopt western culture. Now the average south-korean male height is increasing much faster compared to other asian countries.

 

[heightislife198]

So we all know for the fact that Dutch people are the tallest people in the world. But why ? I mean every European country have good food and resources to grow their children to their max but why it's only Dutch.
Then I looked for a study fon on a kind of fish , I know you would say it's silly but it's not.
The fish that was chosen had sexual maturity in few months after they were born, so it was easy to observe changes throughout time.
1 First they took a sample of that fish ( I can't remember the name now but believe me it's truth ) and droped in its natural habitat of Trinidad which is in the fast currents of river just before a fall. Because there is lot of turbulence or disturbence in the water, the predatory fish that hunts these fishes stay away. That provides them hunter free zone and abundance of resources to thrive.
2. Now they placed a group of these fishes in environment filled with predatory fishes that hunt them.
Result - They found out that those fishes that were in free predatory zone and had abundance of resources, had fewer offsprings but they were bigger !
And in the second situation, the offsprings were more but they were smaller due to lack of enough resources.
Conclusion - They concluded that in order to ensure the survival of the species, it's encoded in our genes to produce as much as we can , that doesn't include quality but quantity. That's what second scenario showed that due to lack of resources but danger of survival caused them to reproduce more in numbers.

The same logic can be applied in the real world too.
Dutchs don't have lack of resources and they don't reproduce like rats , so in order to survive they got bigger.
But for the Asians like Indonesians and Chinese, they reproduced like crazy with same kind of resources (in terms of quality) so they instead grew large in numbers rather than in size.

People are coping with diet it’s actually cause of hypergamy and women reproducing with tall men also low stress environment

 

[heightislife198]

People are coping with diet it’s actually cause of hypergamy and women reproducing with tall men also low stress environment

It's not bullshit. malnourishment prevents people from reaching their potional height but diet doesn't increase height (it only prevents height decrease) so you can't say that diet increases height over generations that's just something you saw in a milk ad to make you drink milk.

The reason the Dutch and all other countries in the world became taller is because of sexual selection. The selection for height and dick size just started sooner and was more widespread for the Dutch because it was a wealthy country. It's very simple to understand but some guys on reddit and looksmax still think diet is going to make you 6'2. no it doesn't, your genetics is all what matters.

If the Dutch diet was the reason for their height and dick size then why does Ecuador have the biggest average dick in the world and some African tribes have the tallest height? it's all because of sexual selection (if you don't understand that you have low IQ).

Good diet is a side effect of being wealthy (so of course the Dutch had a good diet) but it's not the reason they became taller over generations that was all because of women not needing a wealthy men and choosing for other traits which include height and dick size. that's also why asians have small dicks (not because their shit diet) they have a family structure where the man provides for the female. except you see this changing especially in countries like South-Korea where they adopt western culture. Now the average south-korean male height is increasing much faster compared to other asian countries.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

So we all know for the fact that Dutch people are the tallest people in the world. But why ? I mean every European country have good food and resources to grow their children to their max but why it's only Dutch.
Then I looked for a study fon on a kind of fish , I know you would say it's silly but it's not.
The fish that was chosen had sexual maturity in few months after they were born, so it was easy to observe changes throughout time.
1 First they took a sample of that fish ( I can't remember the name now but believe me it's truth ) and droped in its natural habitat of Trinidad which is in the fast currents of river just before a fall. Because there is lot of turbulence or disturbence in the water, the predatory fish that hunts these fishes stay away. That provides them hunter free zone and abundance of resources to thrive.
2. Now they placed a group of these fishes in environment filled with predatory fishes that hunt them.
Result - They found out that those fishes that were in free predatory zone and had abundance of resources, had fewer offsprings but they were bigger !
And in the second situation, the offsprings were more but they were smaller due to lack of enough resources.
Conclusion - They concluded that in order to ensure the survival of the species, it's encoded in our genes to produce as much as we can , that doesn't include quality but quantity. That's what second scenario showed that due to lack of resources but danger of survival caused them to reproduce more in numbers.

The same logic can be applied in the real world too.
Dutchs don't have lack of resources and they don't reproduce like rats , so in order to survive they got bigger.
But for the Asians like Indonesians and Chinese, they reproduced like crazy with same kind of resources (in terms of quality) so they instead grew large in numbers rather than in size.

Genetics. There's nothing else to it.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

theyre malnourished in other ways

what im saying is durch reach their potential because their diet mogs

if other western europeans copy their diet they will reach same height on avg

Slavshit subhumans (balkanoids too) got ass raped by every war. Had major famines and genocides and yet they are still tall. It's simply genetics not muh diet.

 

[Deleted member 15468]

Slavshit subhumans (balkanoids too) got ass raped by every war. Had major famines and genocides and yet they are still tall. It's simply genetics not muh diet.

your height POTENTIAL is determined by genetics yes, but theres a lot that can go wrong with that potential due to environmental factors

its evident if you look at countries like south korea that had an economic boom in the last 50? 60? years, their average height increased by 5 inches, its due to them not being malnourished anymore and having a proper diet

 

[5.5psl]

It's just genetics.
In iran also ppl consume a lot of dairy especially in sone regions but avg height is like 175cm

Said by : ceo of cope .

 

[St.TikTokcel]

your height POTENTIAL is determined by genetics yes, but theres a lot that can go wrong with that potential due to environmental factors

its evident if you look at countries like south korea that had an economic boom in the last 50? 60? years, their average height increased by 5 inches, its due to them not being malnourished anymore and having a proper diet

Selection + they are not SEA monkeys. Secondly, enviromental factors are like 10-20% of your development. Ramirez was beaten, malnourished and a junkie. Despite that, he turned out to be a mogger.

 

[orangomango2003]

Slavshit subhumans (balkanoids too) got ass raped by every war. Had major famines and genocides and yet they are still tall. It's simply genetics not muh diet.

you are right. you can also compare height and dick size to understand better. because some countries have very big dicks (ecuador) but they also have very short men on average which doesn't make sense if nutrition was the reason for their big dicks. also tall countries like serbia have small dicks so why did they grow taller but their dicks didn't grow? it's because their parents had small dick genetics not because they were eating the right foods.

Although you can't really compare the two in terms of natural selection you can see that it's not diet what's causing these averages but rather sexual selection. the Dutch women cared more about tallness and big dicks because everything else was already equal (compared to other countries at least).
Good nutrition is not the cause it's a side effect. my conclusion is that a good diet is not going to make you taller it only prevents you from becoming shorter and even then it won't matter much (only a few cm). you need to be extremely malnourished to lose 5cm or more.

being wealthy is a requirement. nowadays every man and woman has the ability to make enough money to survive so they choose based on dick sizes and height. it's not because our nutrition is better than 20 years ago because it isn't.

 

[orangomango2003]

your height POTENTIAL is determined by genetics yes, but theres a lot that can go wrong with that potential due to environmental factors

its evident if you look at countries like south korea that had an economic boom in the last 50? 60? years, their average height increased by 5 inches, its due to them not being malnourished anymore and having a proper diet

the reason south-koreans grew taller is because women didn't need wealthy men anymore. they selected for height instead.

 

[Deleted member 15468]

It's not bullshit. malnourishment prevents people from reaching their potional height but diet doesn't increase height (it only prevents height decrease) so you can't say that diet increases height over generations that's just something you saw in a milk ad to make you drink milk.

I never claimed anything else, my point is that its very hard to reach your true potential for height, its not a milk ad JFL I got that from scientists, they claim the difference in average height from lets say France and Netherlands is due to diet

The reason the Dutch and all other countries in the world became taller is because of sexual selection. The selection for height and dick size just started sooner and was more widespread for the Dutch because it was a wealthy country. It's very simple to understand but some guys on reddit and looksmax still think diet is going to make you 6'2. no it doesn't, your genetics is all what matters.

Nope, they become taller mainly due to nutrition and better living standards. I already posted it in another comment but its evident when you look at countries like South Korea or singapore, their average height increased by several inches in the last 50-70 years and THIS IS NOT DUE TO SEXUAL SELECTION, it takes centuries to see any effect of sexual selection on a widespread population

The Dutch were one of the biggest and wealthiest empires yes, but they weren't the largest OR wealthiest and they lost most of their holdings in the 17th century. Meanwhile countries like France or Spain were more powerful and wealthy, why would they not have selected for taller height and dick size as soon as the Dutch? They were even 'more' succesful.

If the Dutch diet was the reason for their height and dick size then why does Ecuador have the biggest average dick in the world and some African tribes have the tallest height? it's all because of sexual selection (if you don't understand that you have low IQ)

Good diet is a side effect of being wealthy (so of course the Dutch had a good diet) but it's not the reason they became taller over generations that was all because of women not needing a wealthy men and choosing for other traits which include height and dick size. that's also why asians have small dicks (not because their shit diet) they have a family structure where the man provides for the female. except you see this changing especially in countries like South-Korea where they adopt western culture. Now the average south-korean male height is increasing much faster compared to other asian countries.

dude, sexual selection doesnt increase a countries height BY SEVERAL FUCKIN INCHES IN 50 YEARS, THATS NOT EVEN 3 FULL GENERATIONS

another really idiotic take is that you think women didnt need wealthy men even back 500 years, just JFL at that, women being able to work is a modern fucking development and I guarantee you apart from the last maybe 30 years women mainly chose by status and weahlthiness

funny that you have the audacity to call anyone low IQ

 

[fauxfox]

One thing to note is every single Somali I've met who grew up in Scandinavia is 6'2 minimum. I'm not joking. It's the diet.

 

[Deleted member 15468]

the reason south-koreans grew taller is because women didn't need wealthy men anymore. they selected for height instead.

again, sexual selection doesnt make a population grow several inches taller on average in less than a hundred years

it takes 100's of years to see any effect

 

[St.TikTokcel]

One thing to note is every single Somali I've met who grew up in Scandinavia is 6'2 minimum. I'm not joking. It's the diet.

Sadly every curry here is 5'4.

 

[Deleted member 15468]

One thing to note is every single Somali I've met who grew up in Scandinavia is 6'2 minimum. I'm not joking. It's the diet.

somalis have tall genetics anyway

 

[orangomango2003]

I never claimed anything else, my point is that its very hard to reach your true potential for height, its not a milk ad JFL I got that from scientists, they claim the difference in average height from lets say France and Netherlands is due to diet

Nope, they become taller mainly due to nutrition and better living standards. I already posted it in another comment but its evident when you look at countries like South Korea or singapore, their average height increased by several inches in the last 50-70 years and THIS IS NOT DUE TO SEXUAL SELECTION, it takes centuries to see any effect of sexual selection on a widespread population

The Dutch were one of the biggest and wealthiest empires yes, but they weren't the largest OR wealthiest and they lost most of their holdings in the 17th century. Meanwhile countries like France or Spain were more powerful and wealthy, why would they not have selected for taller height and dick size as soon as the Dutch? They were even 'more' succesful.


dude, sexual selection doesnt increase a countries height BY SEVERAL FUCKIN INCHES IN 50 YEARS, THATS NOT EVEN 3 FULL GENERATIONS

another really idiotic take is that you think women didnt need wealthy men even back 500 years, just JFL at that, women being able to work is a modern fucking development and I guarantee you apart from the last maybe 30 years women mainly chose by status and weahlthiness

funny that you have the audacity to call anyone low IQ

I have researched this subject for years and your arguments are very easy to contradict.

The main difference between the Netherlands and France is that the Netherlands was a 'liberal' republic and France was not. the average person in the Netherlands was much more wealthy than the average French person. Which is what matters when talking about sexual selection.

In history nutrition is correlated with height but it's not the reason why we grew taller (causation). When women have the oppurtunity to choose for height this almost always means that the society is wealthy and this also means that the society is well nutritioned, which doesn't mean that the increase in height is caused by the nutrition (it's only a side effect of the situation). you can almost always use nutrition to predict the average height of a country but that doesn't mean it's the cause of the height increase.

The problem with some scientists is that they only focus on one specific field of research. Of course if your field of research is nutrition you will find out that nutrition is important for growth, but if your field of research is genetics you will find out that genetics determine height. Scienstists are mostly right about what they say but they may have the wrong conclusions about what some data actually means. A good example of this is covid-19: even if masks help reduce infection rates by 0,5% this doesn't mean that there are no other factors to think about like freedom and happiness in a society. The problem is that scientists only care about this one field they have expertise in. You can be like China and lock the whole country up and treat your people like slaves because it works better for the economy but there are other things which are important to life than just economics or health.

What do South Korea and Indonesia have in common? they both had famines because of WW2 and it's aftermath. So of course they were going to grow much taller because they were malnourished. i never said malnourishment doesn't cause height retardation. that's evident to me. nutrition is not the reason why people are still growing taller. The reason we grow taller nowadays is because of sexual selection.

Sexual selection doesn't take 100 years to change the male average height. Do you think our diet is better now compared to 20 years ago? because it's not. we are still growing taller because tallness is considered a desired trait by woman. If your sister now has children with a guy that's 6'4" they will probably have taller children. if even 20% of girls chooses to do this the whole population will be different in 20 years (the average height will be increased). it only takes one generation of sexual selection to increase the average. If all sexless manlents don't reproduce what do you think is going to happen? the average height will increase in the next 20 years because the short genes are filtered out.

You need to read carefully because i never said women didn't need wealthy men back then. I said that compared to other countries in the Netherlands they didn't desire wealthy men as much because most men were already wealthy. being wealthy was a requirement it didn't change much in terms of sexual selection compared to other countries. for example if you have 100 total population of males and 50 of them are wealthy. the women will select based on height and other physical factors to choose which of the 50 men they want to reproduce with. the difference is that in the Netherlands the number of wealthy men was higher.

 

[Deleted member 15468]

I have researched this subject for years and your arguments are very easy to contradict.

The main difference between the Netherlands and France is that the Netherlands was a 'liberal' republic and France was not. the average person in the Netherlands was much more wealthy than the average French person. Which is what matters when talking about sexual selection.

In history nutrition is correlated with height but it's not the reason why we grew taller (causation). When women have the oppurtunity to choose for height this almost always means that the society is wealthy and this also means that the society is well nutritioned, which doesn't mean that the increase in height is caused by the nutrition (it's only a side effect of the situation). you can almost always use nutrition to predict the average height of a country but that doesn't mean it's the cause of the height increase.

The problem with some scientists is that they only focus on one specific field of research. Of course if your field of research is nutrition you will find out that nutrition is important for growth, but if your field of research is genetics you will find out that genetics determine height. Scienstists are mostly right about what they say but they may have the wrong conclusions about what some data actually means. A good example of this is covid-19: even if masks help reduce infection rates by 0,5% this doesn't mean that there are no other factors to think about like freedom and happiness in a society. The problem is that scientists only care about this one field they have expertise in. You can be like China and lock the whole country up and treat your people like slaves because it works better for the economy but there are other things which are important to life than just economics or health.

What do South Korea and Indonesia have in common? they both had famines because of WW2 and it's aftermath. So of course they were going to grow much taller because they were malnourished. i never said malnourishment doesn't cause height retardation. that's evident to me. nutrition is not the reason why people are still growing taller. The reason we grow taller nowadays is because of sexual selection.

Sexual selection doesn't take 100 years to change the male average height. Do you think our diet is better now compared to 20 years ago? because it's not. we are still growing taller because tallness is considered a desired trait by woman. If your sister now has children with a guy that's 6'4" they will probably have taller children. if even 20% of girls chooses to do this the whole population will be different in 20 years (the average height will be increased). it only takes one generation of sexual selection to increase the average. If all sexless manlents don't reproduce what do you think is going to happen? the average height will increase in the next 20 years because the short genes are filtered out.

You need to read carefully because i never said women didn't need wealthy men back then. I said that compared to other countries in the Netherlands they didn't desire wealthy men as much because most men were already wealthy. being wealthy was a requirement it didn't change much in terms of sexual selection compared to other countries. for example if you have 100 total population of males and 50 of them are wealthy. the women will select based on height and other physical factors to choose which of the 50 men they want to reproduce with. the difference is that in the Netherlands the number of wealthy men was higher.

Ok, it's been some time but I've read into the literature a bit in the past. I generally trust scientists more than anyone here because their whole life revolves around their field of expertise.

But your argumentation is solid and I don't have the knowledge to disprove it, so my respect for that (and also for not immediately insulting like many other users here.)

If you could provide a source for the claim that average man in Netherlands indeed was wealthy from 15th or 16th century onwards to today I would be happy. I remember that the Dutch were the shortest country on average in Europe at some point in the last 100 years, read up on that because it could disprove what you say.

I would also love some proof that sexual selection is the reason for increase in height causality-wise.

 

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Northern European girls starving themselves and eating nothing but salads everyday reach 180cm effortlessly. It's genetics. Sexual selection.