Why high lat insertions are actually ideal

[Clavicular]

Bodybuilders cope that lower lat insertions look better, and admittedly they do, but only on stage posing.

Simeon Panda is the low lat final boss, but do you notice how his physique looks droopy?

Its because his clavicles have no support from his lats

with high set lats it supports the clavicles making it appear straighter, this is sought after in mens physique division, where low lats are ideal in open
but in everyday quality of life you want high lats to fraud a better frame.

Once you hypertrophy you lats and they're highset, your frame looks mogger in a tshirt and your waist is perceived smaller.

 

[Clavicular]

@Orc

 

[Deleted member 31766]

every study says low lats are ideal though

 

[Clavicular]

every study says low lats are ideal though

I just debunked those studies then

 

[arabcelxxx]

Its mostly cause of v shaped vs straight clavicles, also second guy has thinner waist and smaller traps.

High lats do look better on wider waists cause it can make them look slimmer.

@ElTruecel

 

[autistic_tendencies]

He’s an ectomorph they are built really narrow

 

[Clavicular]

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Its mostly cause of v shaped vs straight clavicles, also second guy has thinner waist and smaller traps.

High lats do look better on wider waists cause it can make them look slimmer.

@ElTruecel

Yes but for this, I used 2 people with the same clavicle shape

 

[User28823]

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simeon is relaxed with an extremely wide scapula and clavicles
the other guy is flexing his lats so his clavicles will look "supported"
if simeon did the same he'd mog
this assumes u will walk around with invisible lat syndrome 24/7

 

[Clavicular]

He’s an ectomorph they are built really narrow

Its about the insertions, this wouldve been a better thread if i found 2 ppl of the same size but i was shitposting

 

[arabcelxxx]

Yes but for this, I used 2 people with the same clavicle shape

No you didn’t retard

 

[Clavicular]

simeon is relaxed with an extremely wide scapula and clavicles
the other guy is flexing his lats so his clavicles will look "supported"
if simeon did the same he'd mog
this assumes u will walk around with invisible lat syndrome 24/7

When you hypertrophy the lats enough they always look pumped and will support clavicles more, highset latcels get this effect quicker

simian would only mog because he has 2x more mass jfl he looks droopy

 

[Clavicular]

No you didn’t retard

tales bro

 

[Sens]

Straight clavicles is a psl meme and autism

 

[User28823]

When you hypertrophy the lats enough they always look pumped and will support clavicles more, highset latcels get this effect quicker

simian would only mog because he has 2x more mass jfl he looks droopy

simeon looks droopy because he as an overtrained lower chest with such a wide scapula and clavicles that they are downturned when relaxed

if u have low set lats ur gonna have more muscle mass in the upper region than a guy with highset lats, so there is 0 correlation

 

[oppastoppathe2nd]

Simeon Panda is the low lat final boss, but do you notice how his physique looks droopy?

its cause his torso is insanely short and wide

 

[Codeinlover]

I just debunked those studies then

Common clavicular w

 

[adam_ross2549]

When you hypertrophy the lats enough they always look pumped and will support clavicles more, highset latcels get this effect quicker

simian would only mog because he has 2x more mass jfl he looks droopy

is this why i mog when i flare lats even though it doesnt add much to bideltoid. Also when i flare my lats my scapula goes from slightly winged to completely flat and i look so much. My scapulas are good and i have high set lats so i mog from the back view especially in a tight shirt but front view it isnt as good because my clavicles arent as good as my scapula but that fixes itself when i flare my lats and fix my scapula winging. Im being totally autistic rn.

this is me

 

[adam_ross2549]

also check dms

 

[Clavicular]

Straight clavicles is a psl meme and autism

People use this cope too often, its a minor failo or halo we are just discussing whats ideal, this is a looks forum first

 

[Clavicular]

simeon looks droopy because he as an overtrained lower chest with such a wide scapula and clavicles that they are downturned when relaxed

if u have low set lats ur gonna have more muscle mass in the upper region than a guy with highset lats, so there is 0 correlation

Yea the lower chest dev makes it look shit but despite his straight clavicles, they are at a negatively tilted angle

its basically like NCT, you dont have the zygomatic support with lowerset cheekbones which causes the negative tilt

 

[Sens]

this is a looks forum first

Greycel moment

 

[gooner23]

Straight clavicles is a psl meme and autism

i mean if you have longer curved clavicles it can compensate but its like a big proponent in bidelt especially when it comes to proportions and chest insertions

 

[Orc]

every study says low lats are ideal though

there's never been a single study conducted on this subject besides asking questionnaires to forums of body dysmorphic gay men.

 

[Deleted member 31971]

Yay

 

[Saint Casanova]

High set lats can counter wide hips, plus I notice that most tall guys have high set lats especially with a long torso. Looks aesthetic as fuck once you built everything up

Low lats make you look blocky.

 

[Bigbootylover45]

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Bodybuilders cope that lower lat insertions look better, and admittedly they do, but only on stage posing.
View attachment 2919663View attachment 2919664
Simeon Panda is the low lat final boss, but do you notice how his physique looks droopy?
View attachment 2919670
Its because his clavicles have no support from his lats
View attachment 2919672
with high set lats it supports the clavicles making it appear straighter, this is sought after in mens physique division, where low lats are ideal in open
but in everyday quality of life you want high lats to fraud a better frame.
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Once you hypertrophy you lats and they're highset, your frame looks mogger in a tshirt and your waist is perceived smaller.

makes sense good thread

 

[febinopry]

I just debunked those studies then

I debunked it too . low lats for bodybuilding aesthetics and high lat for aesthetics and having better frame

Arnold with high and Franco with low lat insertions . high=wider, low=thicker

 

[Deleted member 31766]

there's never been a single study conducted on this subject besides asking questionnaires to forums of body dysmorphic gay men.

sorry I was just trying to come up with something to be first to comment

 

[Orc]

sorry I was just trying to come up with something to be first to comment

you'd likely get the opposite result if you were to actually study it because longer torsos are perceived as more attractive in every actual study on the subject and higher lats make your torso look longer and narrower.

 

[Clavicular]

you'd likely get the opposite result if you were to actually study it because longer torsos are perceived as more attractive in every actual study on the subject and higher lats make your torso look longer and narrower.

Mirin new username color brag

 

[Orc]

Mirin new username color brag

I can't tell the difference.

 

[adam_ross2549]

also check dms

nigga check dms @Clavicular

 

[St.Rotter]

low lats look better in bodybuilding standards but if you look at a physique that is just aesthetic and looks pleasing to the eye its a physique with hight lats, they just make the overall shape better and give the illusion of slimming out everything below them bc the surface area of the muscle is concentrated on the upper part of the back so when hypertrophied it makes shoulders look great in relation to the waist and makes the back look more v tapered and sharp instead of wide and blocky with a slight taper. i agree with u on this one, its just more pleasing to the eye.

 

[halloweed]

Good thread
High lats me
@Jonas2k7

Bodybuilders cope that lower lat insertions look better, and admittedly they do, but only on stage posing.
View attachment 2919663View attachment 2919664
Simeon Panda is the low lat final boss, but do you notice how his physique looks droopy?
View attachment 2919670
Its because his clavicles have no support from his lats
View attachment 2919672
with high set lats it supports the clavicles making it appear straighter, this is sought after in mens physique division, where low lats are ideal in open
but in everyday quality of life you want high lats to fraud a better frame.
View attachment 2919674View attachment 2919676



Once you hypertrophy you lats and they're highset, your frame looks mogger in a tshirt and your waist is perceived smaller.

 

[copercel123]

Bodybuilders cope that lower lat insertions look better, and admittedly they do, but only on stage posing.
View attachment 2919663View attachment 2919664
Simeon Panda is the low lat final boss, but do you notice how his physique looks droopy?
View attachment 2919670
Its because his clavicles have no support from his lats
View attachment 2919672
with high set lats it supports the clavicles making it appear straighter, this is sought after in mens physique division, where low lats are ideal in open
but in everyday quality of life you want high lats to fraud a better frame.
View attachment 2919674View attachment 2919676



Once you hypertrophy you lats and they're highset, your frame looks mogger in a tshirt and your waist is perceived smaller.

Jfl clav

 

[20/04/2008]

Bodybuilders cope that lower lat insertions look better, and admittedly they do, but only on stage posing.
View attachment 2919663View attachment 2919664
Simeon Panda is the low lat final boss, but do you notice how his physique looks droopy?
View attachment 2919670
Its because his clavicles have no support from his lats
View attachment 2919672
with high set lats it supports the clavicles making it appear straighter, this is sought after in mens physique division, where low lats are ideal in open
but in everyday quality of life you want high lats to fraud a better frame.
View attachment 2919674View attachment 2919676



Once you hypertrophy you lats and they're highset, your frame looks mogger in a tshirt and your waist is perceived smaller.

Both are good in my opinion
Just go take a look at dennis wolf jfl

 

[20/04/2008]

there's never been a single study conducted on this subject besides asking questionnaires to forums of body dysmorphic gay men.

- **Tubbs, R. S., et al. (2010).** "Surgical and functional anatomy of the latissimus dorsi muscle." *Journal of Neurosurgery: Spine*, 12(3), 223-228.
- Examines variations in latissimus dorsi insertion and their implications in surgical and rehabilitative contexts.
- [DOI:10.3171/2009.9.SPINE09345](https://doi.org/10.3171/2009.9.SPINE09345)

- **Pandey, S., & Singla, R. K. (2013).** "Morphological variations of latissimus dorsi muscle: A cadaveric study." *Journal of Clinical and Diagnostic Research*, 7(12), 2657-2659.
- Documents variations in insertion points among cadavers, noting differences in humeral attachment.
- [DOI:10.7860/JCDR/2013/6629.3729](https://doi.org/10.7860/JCDR/2013/6629.3729)

- **Brown, J. M. M., et al. (2007).** "Architecture of the latissimus dorsi muscle and its implications for the transfer surgery." *Journal of Hand Surgery (European Volume)*, 32(2), 170-174.
- Discusses how insertion points affect force generation and surgical outcomes.
- [DOI:10.1016/J.JHSB.2006.10.012](https://doi.org/10.1016/J.JHSB.2006.10.012)

- **Wickham, J., et al. (2010).** "Muscle morphology and performance: The role of muscle architecture in human performance." *Sports Medicine*, 40(10), 823-838.
- Explores how muscle insertion points influence strength and athletic performance.
- [DOI:10.2165/11535130-000000000-00000](https://doi.org/10.2165/11535130-000000000-00000)

- **Schoenfeld, B. J. (2010).** "The mechanisms of muscle hypertrophy and their application to resistance training." *Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research*, 24(10), 2857-2872.
- Discusses how muscle structure (including insertion points) affects hypertrophy potential.
- [DOI:10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181e840f3](https://doi.org/10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181e840f3

- **Vigotsky, A. D., et al. (2018).** "Interpreting muscle hypertrophy: The role of muscle architecture in determining muscle size." *European Journal of Applied Physiology*, 118(6), 1265-1273.
- Examines how muscle insertion length influences growth potential.
- [DOI:10.1007/s00421-018-3863-6](https://doi.org/10.1007/s00421-018-3863-6)

 

[20/04/2008]

I debunked it too . low lats for bodybuilding aesthetics and high lat for aesthetics and having better frame

View attachment 2920048 Arnold with high and Franco with low lat insertions . high=wider, low=thicker

Ronnie and dorian have low insertions and have the best back in all off bodybuilding history

 

[Orc]

- **Tubbs, R. S., et al. (2010).** "Surgical and functional anatomy of the latissimus dorsi muscle." *Journal of Neurosurgery: Spine*, 12(3), 223-228.
- Examines variations in latissimus dorsi insertion and their implications in surgical and rehabilitative contexts.
- [DOI:10.3171/2009.9.SPINE09345](https://doi.org/10.3171/2009.9.SPINE09345)

- **Pandey, S., & Singla, R. K. (2013).** "Morphological variations of latissimus dorsi muscle: A cadaveric study." *Journal of Clinical and Diagnostic Research*, 7(12), 2657-2659.
- Documents variations in insertion points among cadavers, noting differences in humeral attachment.
- [DOI:10.7860/JCDR/2013/6629.3729](https://doi.org/10.7860/JCDR/2013/6629.3729)

- **Brown, J. M. M., et al. (2007).** "Architecture of the latissimus dorsi muscle and its implications for the transfer surgery." *Journal of Hand Surgery (European Volume)*, 32(2), 170-174.
- Discusses how insertion points affect force generation and surgical outcomes.
- [DOI:10.1016/J.JHSB.2006.10.012](https://doi.org/10.1016/J.JHSB.2006.10.012)

- **Wickham, J., et al. (2010).** "Muscle morphology and performance: The role of muscle architecture in human performance." *Sports Medicine*, 40(10), 823-838.
- Explores how muscle insertion points influence strength and athletic performance.
- [DOI:10.2165/11535130-000000000-00000](https://doi.org/10.2165/11535130-000000000-00000)

- **Schoenfeld, B. J. (2010).** "The mechanisms of muscle hypertrophy and their application to resistance training." *Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research*, 24(10), 2857-2872.
- Discusses how muscle structure (including insertion points) affects hypertrophy potential.
- [DOI:10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181e840f3](https://doi.org/10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181e840f3

- **Vigotsky, A. D., et al. (2018).** "Interpreting muscle hypertrophy: The role of muscle architecture in determining muscle size." *European Journal of Applied Physiology*, 118(6), 1265-1273.
- Examines how muscle insertion length influences growth potential.
- [DOI:10.1007/s00421-018-3863-6](https://doi.org/10.1007/s00421-018-3863-6)

what the fuck do you think you're citing, none of these have anything to do with the discussion.

Ronnie and dorian have low insertions and have the best back in all off bodybuilding history

and the guy in your picture has even higher insertions than I do.

 

[20/04/2008]

what the fuck do you think you're citing, none of these have anything to do with the discussion.



and the guy in your picture has even higher insertions than I do.

You just didn’t read
If you have read you’ll come to the conclusion that lower lats are better in many aspects

This was intended to be a humourous reply to your comment that their is no study comparing high vs low lats insertion when in fact their is

But notheless if all you careb about is the look of your physique in my Opinion they are both equal lats insertion doesn’t matter (except if your an elite bodybuilder)