Why I don't believe in face > height.

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Here is why I don't believe in the face > height theory.

I am 167cm (5 foot and 6 inches) man with a good face and body. I won't claim that I'm a model because I'm not but I do mog most of the men that I come across in face and body yet my sex life is pathetic in comparison to my taller counterparts with less attractive faces and less attractive bodies. In fact, I'm still a virgin (21 years old as of now) despite women going out of their way to tell me that my face and body are attractive, go figure.

Whenever women are asked whether they prefer face or height, I am aware that most of them claim that they prefer face over height but this is because they assume that the lesser height in question isn't actually short. This leads to a bias that is in favour of face. When both of the men being compared are already of good height then height will, obviously, not hold a lot of weight. However, when women are questioned about this topic with specifics (i.e. 5'6'' and attractive vs 6'2'' and ugly), they prefer height over face. Women are willing to sacrifice facial attractiveness for height because height is more significant to them than face. As soon as you begin comparing already-accceptable heights to face whilst trying to examine face vs height then your study is already flawed.

I realise, too, that most of those who dismiss the importance of height over face are of average or taller height themselves which is comical. If you experienced what it is like to be height-mogged you'd realise how little a good face matters when height is actually being compared.

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Comparing height and face whilst using already-acceptable heights in your examples is biased towards face. You should be comparing lacking heights with good faces to acceptable heights with bad faces, this is a non-biased measurement of which matters more and when you do that you'll find that height is more important than face.
 
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Lurk moar
 
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Height is important since you're an actual manlet go figure

Also PM face, greycels and normies are deluded about how good they actually look
 
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Cope like the pope. You are simply not as good looking as you think. Almost all manlets who struggle to have sex lack a good enough face.

I don't even need to see your face to know you don't mog this:

Justin bieber 41


Blackpill for you: You need Pretty boy features in order to be fulfilled as a manlet in 2021. If you're a masculine or average short manlet it's over for you, since you are expected to be tall and you will be seen as "incomplete" by women.
 
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coping manlet
 
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Cope like the pope. You are simply not as good looking as you think. Almost all manlets who struggle to have sex lack a good enough face.

I don't even need to see your face to know you don't mog this:

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Blackpill for you: You need Pretty boy features in order to be fulfilled as a manlet in 2021. If you're a masculine or average short manlet it's over for you, since you are expected to be tall and you will be seen as "incomplete" by women.
I'm black with masculine face genetics so maybe you're right in that regard, I don't complete the masculine package if that is what they expect, fucking brutal.

This doesn't change my opinion on how the height vs face debate is approached, though. That picture of Justin Bieber on a manlet frame (5'7'' and below) is getting mogged by even 5'10'' average-faced men. I also do well on online dating from face alone until the women find out my height.
 
Cope like the pope. You are simply not as good looking as you think. Almost all manlets who struggle to have sex lack a good enough face.

I don't even need to see your face to know you don't mog this:

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Agree
Blackpill for you: You need Pretty boy features in order to be fulfilled as a manlet in 2021. If you're a masculine or average short manlet it's over for you, since you are expected to be tall and you will be seen as "incomplete" by women.
Cap lol i’m 5’9 and I’d be incel without my high t face + frame
 
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I suspect your face isn't as attractive as you think.
 
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You're probably delusional on how good your face looks my guy, not to mention that black men are normally expected to be tall with good body to slay compared to any other race
If I account for my skin colour then I can see myself being rated lower for my face but my face is objectively above average, especially for a black person (I don't look like a stereotypical negro). Though, like you say, black men are expected to be tall so being short as well as black has ruined me.
 
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If I account for my skin colour then I can see myself being rated lower for my face but my face is objectively above average, especially for a black person (I don't look like a stereotypical negro). Though, like you say, black men are expected to be tall so being short as well as black has ruined me.

PM face
 
Height is important is so many ways besides women

While of course women are a huge part of enjoying life, it is suicidefuel to constantly get heightmogged

I've come to accept the fact most people are not critical thinkers, even on Blackpill forums

They cant not see how a tall below avergae face White guy can get women, and be respected by men, is a more significant advantage than having a good looking face but being too short to gain respect from men and being turned down purely based on height by women

Basically to them, because Tom Cruise exists, therefore height doesnt matter its all about face, ignoring the millions of tall men with below average faces that still have decent lives and can get women, just not as hot as Tom Cruise's girls
 
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OP is not good looking confirmed in PM
 
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Why I don't care.
 
Cope like the pope. You are simply not as good looking as you think. Almost all manlets who struggle to have sex lack a good enough face.

I don't even need to see your face to know you don't mog this:

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Blackpill for you: You need Pretty boy features in order to be fulfilled as a manlet in 2021. If you're a masculine or average short manlet it's over for you, since you are expected to be tall and you will be seen as "incomplete" by women.
Isn’t he like 5 PSL?
 
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5'6 jfl just liftmaxx asap
 
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Here is why I don't believe in the face > height theory.

I am 167cm (5 foot and 6 inches) man with a good face and body. I won't claim that I'm a model because I'm not but I do mog most of the men that I come across in face and body yet my sex life is pathetic in comparison to my taller counterparts with less attractive faces and less attractive bodies. In fact, I'm still a virgin (21 years old as of now) despite women going out of their way to tell me that my face and body are attractive, go figure.

Whenever women are asked whether they prefer face or height, I am aware that most of them claim that they prefer face over height but this is because they assume that the lesser height in question isn't actually short. This leads to a bias that is in favour of face. When both of the men being compared are already of good height then height will, obviously, not hold a lot of weight. However, when women are questioned about this topic with specifics (i.e. 5'6'' and attractive vs 6'2'' and ugly), they prefer height over face. Women are willing to sacrifice facial attractiveness for height because height is more significant to them than face. As soon as you begin comparing already-accceptable heights to face whilst trying to examine face vs height then your study is already flawed.

I realise, too, that most of those who dismiss the importance of height over face are of average or taller height themselves which is comical. If you experienced what it is like to be height-mogged you'd realise how little a good face matters when height is actually being compared.

TLDR
Comparing height and face whilst using already-acceptable heights in your examples is biased towards face. You should be comparing lacking heights with good faces to acceptable heights with bad faces, this is a non-biased measurement of which matters more and when you do that you'll find that height is more important than face.
5’6” is still salvageable with a good face.
Put your face on Tinder. If you have a good face, you’ll do well there.
If you don’t do well there. You don’t have a good face.
 
5’6” is still salvageable with a good face.
Put your face on Tinder. If you have a good face, you’ll do well there.
If you don’t do well there. You don’t have a good face.
I can get 30 matches within a couple of days on Tinder but when they find out my height they practically blacklist me (unmatch, ghost etc...).
 
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I can get 30 matches within a couple of days on Tinder but when they find out my height they practically blacklist me (unmatch, ghost etc...).

Get off tinder. Go outside and interact with women irl and form social circle with men and women and use that to approach women.

Or cold approach which ever one you prefer. I wouldn't do cold approach.

Tinder is waste of time, girls are low quality just want validation and only really good looking guys and tall guys are able to slay.
 
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Also you're black so you'll struggle just based off that on online dating I'm pretty sure black men don't do well from what I saw on statistics
 
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Also put on air maxes and timberlands you'll be like 5'7

You can do elevator shoes like me but maximum 3 inches and you'll be like 5'9

Alternate between airmaxes and elevator shoes so you don't fuck up your legs and nobody will be able to tell you're frauding since air maxes/timberlands are 1.6 inches added and elevator shoes that were 3 inches would be adding only 1.4 inches more which is not really noticable irl.
 
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Also put on air maxes and timberlands you'll be like 5'7

You can do elevator shoes like me but maximum 3 inches and you'll be like 5'9

Alternate between airmaxes and elevator shoes so you don't fuck up your legs and nobody will be able to tell you're frauding since air maxes/timberlands are 1.6 inches added and elevator shoes that were 3 inches would be adding only 1.4 inches more which is not really noticable irl.
Other than that there's nothing you can do for your height, leg lengthing isn't a viable option . Trust me I'm the same height ish as you and I understand what it feels like.

All you can do is let the women choose you and hope for the best.atleast you know if a women is choosing you then she doesn't care about your height because otherwise she would have disregarded you in the first place.

Ethnic men are shorter on average than. White men so if you want white females it's gonna be tough and they'll height mog you even with air maxes and elevator shoes and they'll find you way shorter when you take those off so idk.
 
I don't know what his exact judgement is but I know that I'm somewhat attractive since I can receive 30 matches on Tinder within a couple of days (roughly 10 per day) and I've been told that I'm fairly attractive in the face except for just now.
Other than that there's nothing you can do for your height, leg lengthing isn't a viable option . Trust me I'm the same height ish as you and I understand what it feels like.

All you can do is let the women choose you and hope for the best.atleast you know if a women is choosing you then she doesn't care about your height because otherwise she would have disregarded you in the first place.

Ethnic men are shorter on average than. White men so if you want white females it's gonna be tough and they'll height mog you even with air maxes and elevator shoes and they'll find you way shorter when you take those off so idk.
Alright, I appreciate the advice. Avoiding white women will be kind of hard though since I'm in a white area.
 
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Height is cope @dinnamadre is 5,5 and hes 4psl and he slayed 30 girls.

Face is cope too cuz @LondonVillie has 17 slays. Its over for psl
 
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I can get 30 matches within a couple of days on Tinder but when they find out my height they practically blacklist me (unmatch, ghost etc...).
We’re the same height. But I put 5’8” in my profile. Never been called on it.
 
I don't know what his exact judgement is but I know that I'm somewhat attractive since I can receive 30 matches on Tinder within a couple of days (roughly 10 per day) and I've been told that I'm fairly attractive in the face except for just now.

Alright, I appreciate the advice. Avoiding white women will be kind of hard though since I'm in a white area.
I don’t want to bust your balls, but if all you got was ‘fairly attractive’ then...😬
 
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We’re the same height. But I put 5’8” in my profile. Never been called on it.
Really? A few women have shit-tested me on my height without me even saying anything (in person), lol.
 
I'm a gl barefoot 6'2 (6'4 for Copecels). Cruise is a very gl 5'7-5'8. Cruise would mog me to oblivion. Face/coloring)> height
 
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are u alt
 
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Face is everything shit thread
 
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i'm not reading that but agree with the title
 
Really? A few women have shit-tested me on my height without me even saying anything (in person), lol.
I wear insoles & try & pick shoes that make me taller. So I think I get a 1.5” boost.
 
Only applies after 5´9-5´10 tbh
 
Agree

Cap lol i’m 5’9 and I’d be incel without my high t face + frame
that's because, despite what coping lanklets will tell you, 5'9" is 100% fine in the real world. (not in online dating though because girls imagine a 5'6"guy when they hear 5'9")
If you were 5'5" with high t face and frame you would look comical, like a jacked midget.
 
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that's because, despite what coping lanklets will tell you, 5'9" is 100% fine in the real world. (not in online dating though because girls imagine a 5'6"guy when they hear 5'9")
If you were 5'5" with high t face and frame you would look comical, like a jacked midget.
i have had many instances where i feel like my height has cucked me tho

even if i pass face threshold, it still handicaps me

i agree with the female perception of height though, too many guys larp and they 100% think 5’10 is 6’0
 
i have had many instances where i feel like my height has cucked me tho

even if i pass face threshold, it still handicaps me

i agree with the female perception of height though, too many guys larp and they 100% think 5’10 is 6’0
The keyword there is “feel”
Once you reach 5’9” it’s all face from that point on, ESPECIALLY if you have frame

there will always be height fetishists obviously but most girls are not that, whereas at a height like OP’s most girls WILL find his height too short
 
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The keyword there is “feel”
Once you reach 5’9” it’s all face from that point on, ESPECIALLY if you have frame

there will always be height fetishists obviously but most girls are not that, whereas at a height like OP’s most girls WILL find his height too short
which manlet country are you from? what is the minimum height in your opinion
 
which manlet country are you from? what is the minimum height in your opinion
I’m from the US, probably different in the netherlands

Minimum height for what?
For slaying? I don’t know 5’9”, maybe 5’8” if you look really good?
Just to not be an incel? I mean I’ve seen 5’5” guys in LTRs before

people underestimate face, even still after everything
Put it this way, everybody knows a tall incel, NOBODY knows an incel chad.

You can’t even argue against that fact, find me an actual incel chad that isn’t a hermit or a delusional narcy normie that thinks he’s chad
 
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I’m from the US, probably different in the netherlands

Minimum height for what?
For slaying? I don’t know 5’9”, maybe 5’8” if you look really good?
Just to not be an incel? I mean I’ve seen 5’5” guys in LTRs before

people underestimate face, even still after everything
Put it this way, everybody knows a tall incel, NOBODY knows an incel chad.

You can’t even argue against that fact, find me an actual incel chad that isn’t a hermit or a delusional narcy normie that thinks he’s chad
I’m from U.K., i dip below 5’9 at night but closer to 5’9 than 5’8 (174ish cm)

When I meet girls I can feel they want me to be taller. they lack the glisten in their eye, it’s really sad

but perhaps i’m not gl enough, i only scrape htn when lean so it’s hardly remarkable
 
They 100% think 5’10 is 6’0
Yeah this happens to me a lot I'm an inch taller than you at 5'10 and I've been called 6'0 numerous times @wanttobeattractive is 5'11 and gets called 6'1.

Women don't know shit about height, I don't larp as 6'0 but I've been called 6'0 several times. I think your height is decent it's neither a failo or a halo pretty much everything between 5'9-5'11
 
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I’m from U.K., i dip below 5’9 at night but closer to 5’9 than 5’8 (174ish cm)

When I meet girls I can feel they want me to be taller. they lack the glisten in their eye, it’s really sad

but perhaps i’m not gl enough, i only scrape htn when lean so it’s hardly remarkable
I think something happened to you to make you height focused, did you play a lot of sports where you were considered the midget of the team or something? Have a height fetishist girlfriend who mocked you? Were you a very very short child?

it’s very strange to me that you apply these feelings to height, when it could be anything from face to status to dick size to whatever else under the sun

here’s the thing though, if you p in v a bitch don’t even consider her thoughts of you, you p in v’d her, it’s over, you win. Don’t feel bad cause you think she thinks you’re not good enough, feel like a GOD because you made her LOWER whatever little nonsense standards she had in her head using nothing but your face. Know that you did what a normie guy of your height would never be able to do.
 
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I think something happened to you to make you height focused, did you play a lot of sports where you were considered the midget of the team or something? Have a height fetishist girlfriend who mocked you? Were you a very very short child?

it’s very strange to me that you apply these feelings to height, when it could be anything from face to status to dick size to whatever else under the sun

here’s the thing though, if you p in v a bitch don’t even consider her thoughts of you, you p in v’d her, it’s over, you win. Don’t feel bad cause you think she thinks you’re not good enough, feel like a GOD because you made her LOWER whatever little nonsense standards she had in her head using nothing but your face. Know that you did what a normie guy of your height would never be able to do.
I was a short kid but also an early bloomer. So I grew taller than everyone quicker but also slowed down a lot and watched kids much shorter than me over take me


perhaps i’m too sensitive, i know if i slayed the girl i shouldn’t give af what they say. but i just know for guys with ok faces but not gl enough to be a slayer height halo helps so much
 
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I was a short kid but also an early bloomer. So I grew taller than everyone quicker but also slowed down a lot and watched kids much shorter than me over take me


perhaps i’m too sensitive, i know if i slayed the girl i shouldn’t give af what they say. but i just know for guys with ok faces but not gl enough to be a slayer height halo helps so much
I mean it works the other way too, a 5’7” GIGACHAD will slay, let’s not even be delusional, he’s a gigachad.

an ugly BILLIONAIRE can slay, he’s a billionaire
Success is just a push and pull of halos and failos, have more of ANY halos than you do failos and you’ll be fine (but face is the ONLY one that will stop you from getting cucked, remember that always)
 

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