Why is Clavicular claiming to be the pioneer of looksmaxing?

[God_Fearing_Virgin]

Just watched his podcast with Bradley Martin where he gives the impression that he pioneered face ratios, puberty maxing, craniofacial analysis, etc. That’s complete bullshit.

People were talking about face ratios, skull shape, bone structure, genetics, and developmental windows back in the mid-2000s on misc, PUAhate, old bodybuilding forums, and early incel boards. None of this is new. None of this was “discovered” by him.

He’s rewriting history to sell courses to normies who don’t know better.

Everyone who’s been around long enough knows the truth: ~85% of looks is genetics. You don’t “hard-work” your way into better clavicles, orbital depth, or midface projection. Puberty maxing is real only if you already had the genetics and caught the timing. Most people are already cooked.

Selling a course promising structural change is like:
an eagle selling a “how to fly” course to chickens
and the chickens thinking if they grind hard enough they’ll sprout wings. JFL.

This is the same scam cycle we saw with:
old PUAs
redpill grifters
“inner game” sellers

now rebranded as “looksmax science”
Same playbook, different buzzwords.
I’m not saying lifestyle doesn’t matter at all hygiene, fat loss, grooming, posture, etc. help optimize what you already have. But pretending you invented this knowledge and dangling false hope to sell overpriced courses is clown behavior.
These scammers deserve to be called out.

 

[lalalanotlistening]

hes the reason why its extremely mainstream now but i think most of his viewers and fans are botted

 

[optimisticzoomer]

He lies about everything
Lied about roiding at 15
Lies about getting surgeries

 

[God_Fearing_Virgin]

He also claimed that looks are the easiest metric to improve, even easier than making money.
That alone tells you everything.
Looks are objectively the hardest metric to improve because the core drivers are genetic and developmental, not effort-based. You can grind skills, switch careers, start businesses, learn sales, or stack capital. You cannot grind bone structure.
But of course he says that — it directly benefits him.
If looks were admitted to be mostly genetic (which they are), his entire business model collapses. So he flips the truth on its head and sells the idea that looks are “easy” and “controllable” as long as you buy his course.
JFL.

 

[Notcel]

He lies about everything
Lied about roiding at 15
Lies about getting surgeries

Genuinely insane if he actually said he did the shit in op, its verifiably untrue and he only joined in 2023

 

[God_Fearing_Virgin]

He lies about everything
Lied about roiding at 15
Lies about getting surgeries

Not only him all the mainstream guys kent, loox, kshami and even Salludon sells courses now jfl. I would say anyone who believes in their nonsense is still bluepilled

 

[Informationcapitali]

Yep pretty much snd u cant change ur bone structure unless you do the plastic surgeryyyyyyy

 

[God_Fearing_Virgin]

Yep pretty much snd u cant change ur bone structure unless you do the plastic surgeryyyyyyy

Even surgery is kinda cope if you dont have a decent base to begin with

 

[IHATEINDIANS]

I genuinely don't know how an insecure, non-NT fag made it as the biggest face of looksmaxxing ever but I guess it makes sense since he is a literal caricature of the average looksmaxxer.

 

[God_Fearing_Virgin]

I genuinely don't know how an insecure, non-NT fag made it as the biggest face of looksmaxxing ever but I guess it makes sense since he is a literal caricature of the average looksmaxxer.

I think it's mainly his strong communication skills. He's very well spoken and articulate, so people automatically assume he's smart or authoritative on the topic. At his age, confidently talking about blackpill concepts, facial ratios, and looksmaxxing stuff which he basically just pulled from forums like this and repackaged for a mainstream audience makes it seem fresh and appealing to normies. Also being htn adds to the halo effect.

 

[shmool]

Just watched his podcast with Bradley Martin where he gives the impression that he pioneered face ratios, puberty maxing, craniofacial analysis, etc. That’s complete bullshit.

People were talking about face ratios, skull shape, bone structure, genetics, and developmental windows back in the mid-2000s on misc, PUAhate, old bodybuilding forums, and early incel boards. None of this is new. None of this was “discovered” by him.

He’s rewriting history to sell courses to normies who don’t know better.

Everyone who’s been around long enough knows the truth: ~85% of looks is genetics. You don’t “hard-work” your way into better clavicles, orbital depth, or midface projection. Puberty maxing is real only if you already had the genetics and caught the timing. Most people are already cooked.

Selling a course promising structural change is like:
an eagle selling a “how to fly” course to chickens
and the chickens thinking if they grind hard enough they’ll sprout wings. JFL.

This is the same scam cycle we saw with:
old PUAs
redpill grifters
“inner game” sellers

now rebranded as “looksmax science”
Same playbook, different buzzwords.
I’m not saying lifestyle doesn’t matter at all hygiene, fat loss, grooming, posture, etc. help optimize what you already have. But pretending you invented this knowledge and dangling false hope to sell overpriced courses is clown behavior.
These scammers deserve to be called out.

because he wants the attention he never got as a kid.

 

[God_Fearing_Virgin]

because he wants the attention he never got as a kid.

No, he said his body count was in the 100s before going mainstream, so how can your body count be that high without any attention. Guy is a giga Larper and even on his older pics he never really looked that bad.