Why Roping is Inherently Irrational

[tall0ner]

I am 'depressed' in the general sense but will not kill myself no matter how bad I feel because it gets rid of any option for improvement and happiness in the future. Only when that optionality is extinguished and life circumstances back one into a corner that is impossible to rise from, should any idea of ending one's life be revisited seriously. Generally, roping in one's present moment is irrational for 2 reasons. 1, many circumstances are falsely viewed as permanent, when they are not. 2, the amount of resources spent on one's upbringing, living, and health makes it irrational to waste life. So this is a long-winded way of saying don't end it.

 

[pprimus43]

I won't rope until 30

 

[hypernormie]

I am 'depressed' in the general sense but will not kill myself no matter how bad I feel because it gets rid of any option for improvement and happiness in the future. Only when that optionality is extinguished and life circumstances back one into a corner that is impossible to rise from, should any idea of ending one's life be revisited seriously. Generally, roping in one's present moment is irrational for 2 reasons. 1, many circumstances are falsely viewed as permanent, when they are not. 2, the amount of resources spent on one's upbringing, living, and health makes it irrational to waste life. So this is a long-winded way of saying don't end it.

Roping is never done rationally it is done out of emotional distress, similar to punching a wall in anger. You can make as many arguments as you want for why it’s not a good idea, that doesn’t change the fact that in the moment the strength of one’s emotions may lead to an uncontrollable outburst.

 

[tall0ner]

Roping is never done rationally it is done out of emotional distress, similar to punching a wall in anger. You can make as many arguments as you want for why it’s not a good idea, that doesn’t change the fact that in the moment the strength of one’s emotions may lead to an uncontrollable outburst.

I disagree, it can be done rationally. Just look at 60-year-old men who got out of prison like that old dude in Shawshank Redemption. He roped 'logically' because he had nothing outside of jail left for him.

 

[hypernormie]

I disagree, it can be done rationally. Just look at 60-year-old men who got out of prison like that old dude in Shawshank Redemption. He roped 'logically' because he had nothing outside of jail left for him.

No it isn’t done rationally because you literally don’t know what the future holds nor what happens after death. Roping is always done when one can no longer handle the emotions necessary to go on living. It’s impossible to be done rationally because you are always roping with incomplete information. What you are referring to is when seemingly rational and clearheaded people rope. These people aren’t unemotional, they are highly emotional, it’s just that the nature of the emotion is a deep melancholy and resignation. Such emotions are epitomized by their lack of action and expression which is why they can seem to not be present. They are present, they are just invisible to outside view. When someone claims to rationally rope what they are saying is that sure they can go on but to go on would include so much suffering that they would prefer not to go on. It is the potential of future suffering, the emotional aversion to this suffering that leads them to rope. If they were to experience such suffering you would see them in agony, their faces and screams contorted in torment, but because they themselves can see this and wish to avoid it, they avoid the process and end it all in a moment when they don’t currently suffer.
A completely rational person would never rope because why? You will die at some point anyway whether you like it or not, why rush the process? Roping is done in part to preserve the ego and in part to avoid future or present suffering. The most “rational” rope is done for those currently experiencing intense physical pain but even then it’s not truly rational because what causes the roping is one’s inability emotionally withstand the pain any longer. What is rational about it is that suicide as a result of intense pain is more akin to being murdered or killed by outside circumstances than suicide.

You don’t know what happens after death so you can’t rationally hope to solve it by suicide. Therefore all suicide is a pure gamble, it is an emotional outburst with no clear end goal.

This of course doesn’t diminish suicide as all humans are emotional to greater and lesser degrees but it can only be extreme emotion that would cause someone to make a decision for which the outcome is completely uncertain. You can’t logically bet on something you don’t understand.

 

[noobs]

nothing matters

your presuming that you can improve but you can’t because there’s no such thing as good or bad

you only feel value becuase of evolution, but outside of your animalistic emotions there’s nothing that makes life better than death

if you want to know why you should kill yourself more read pg.20-31 of https://archive.org/details/MitchellHeismanSuicideNote/page/n21/mode/1up?view=theater
and listen to adam lanzas my antinatalism video here

 

[tall0ner]

nothing matters

your presuming that you can improve but you can’t because there’s no such thing as good or bad

you only feel value becuase of evolution, but outside of your animalistic emotions there’s nothing that makes life better than death

if you want to know why you should kill yourself more read pg.20-31 of https://archive.org/details/MitchellHeismanSuicideNote/page/n21/mode/1up?view=theater
and listen to adam lanzas my antinatalism video here

But we inherently feel things that give us gratification, we KNOW what is right deep down (virtue, greed, lust). We don't feel value only because evolution taught us that. Before you say evolution shaped those feelings too, that might be true, but that's true for a reason. Our purpose is to live and create offspring.

 

[lifeless]

yeah you should kill other people before killing yourself

 

[noobs]

We don't feel value only because evolution taught us that.

yes it did

all your emotions and everything exists about you because of evolution

there isn’t a reason for living over death

feeling a value of evolution is irrational

 

[panjeet currycel]

There is absolutely a reason for it. If your health is going to shit its not going to improve with age...why suffer

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

I am 'depressed' in the general sense but will not kill myself no matter how bad I feel because it gets rid of any option for improvement and happiness in the future. Only when that optionality is extinguished and life circumstances back one into a corner that is impossible to rise from, should any idea of ending one's life be revisited seriously. Generally, roping in one's present moment is irrational for 2 reasons. 1, many circumstances are falsely viewed as permanent, when they are not. 2, the amount of resources spent on one's upbringing, living, and health makes it irrational to waste life. So this is a long-winded way of saying don't end it.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

>Should I stop watching this garbage show that I hate? No, that is inherently irrational, because the show might get better at some point, and if I stop watching it there is no chance of me every enjoying it

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

I disagree, it can be done rationally. Just look at 60-year-old men who got out of prison like that old dude in Shawshank Redemption. He roped 'logically' because he had nothing outside of jail left for him.

Nigger you just said roping is irrational, do you have dementia

 

[Magnus Ironblood]

And then there are the many failed attempts that men suffer from.

Having to live without the use of their legs, and stuck in wheelchairs because they misfired or fucked up somehow.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

No it isn’t done rationally because you literally don’t know what the future holds nor what happens after death. Roping is always done when one can no longer handle the emotions necessary to go on living. It’s impossible to be done rationally because you are always roping with incomplete information. What you are referring to is when seemingly rational and clearheaded people rope. These people aren’t unemotional, they are highly emotional, it’s just that the nature of the emotion is a deep melancholy and resignation. Such emotions are epitomized by their lack of action and expression which is why they can seem to not be present. They are present, they are just invisible to outside view. When someone claims to rationally rope what they are saying is that sure they can go on but to go on would include so much suffering that they would prefer not to go on. It is the potential of future suffering, the emotional aversion to this suffering that leads them to rope. If they were to experience such suffering you would see them in agony, their faces and screams contorted in torment, but because they themselves can see this and wish to avoid it, they avoid the process and end it all in a moment when they don’t currently suffer.
A completely rational person would never rope because why? You will die at some point anyway whether you like it or not, why rush the process? Roping is done in part to preserve the ego and in part to avoid future or present suffering. The most “rational” rope is done for those currently experiencing intense physical pain but even then it’s not truly rational because what causes the roping is one’s inability emotionally withstand the pain any longer. What is rational about it is that suicide as a result of intense pain is more akin to being murdered or killed by outside circumstances than suicide.

You don’t know what happens after death so you can’t rationally hope to solve it by suicide. Therefore all suicide is a pure gamble, it is an emotional outburst with no clear end goal.

This of course doesn’t diminish suicide as all humans are emotional to greater and lesser degrees but it can only be extreme emotion that would cause someone to make a decision for which the outcome is completely uncertain. You can’t logically bet on something you don’t understand.

>you don’t know what the future holds after roping

I can’t be sure what will happen after doing to sleep. For all I know I could get kidnapped in bed and then tortured to death. Or bill gates might sneak into my room and give me a gorillian dollars. That doesn’t mean I can’t make a rational decision on whether to go to bed or not based on inferences of what is the most likely result.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

No it isn’t done rationally because you literally don’t know what the future holds nor what happens after death. Roping is always done when one can no longer handle the emotions necessary to go on living. It’s impossible to be done rationally because you are always roping with incomplete information. What you are referring to is when seemingly rational and clearheaded people rope. These people aren’t unemotional, they are highly emotional, it’s just that the nature of the emotion is a deep melancholy and resignation. Such emotions are epitomized by their lack of action and expression which is why they can seem to not be present. They are present, they are just invisible to outside view. When someone claims to rationally rope what they are saying is that sure they can go on but to go on would include so much suffering that they would prefer not to go on. It is the potential of future suffering, the emotional aversion to this suffering that leads them to rope. If they were to experience such suffering you would see them in agony, their faces and screams contorted in torment, but because they themselves can see this and wish to avoid it, they avoid the process and end it all in a moment when they don’t currently suffer.
A completely rational person would never rope because why? You will die at some point anyway whether you like it or not, why rush the process? Roping is done in part to preserve the ego and in part to avoid future or present suffering. The most “rational” rope is done for those currently experiencing intense physical pain but even then it’s not truly rational because what causes the roping is one’s inability emotionally withstand the pain any longer. What is rational about it is that suicide as a result of intense pain is more akin to being murdered or killed by outside circumstances than suicide.

You don’t know what happens after death so you can’t rationally hope to solve it by suicide. Therefore all suicide is a pure gamble, it is an emotional outburst with no clear end goal.

This of course doesn’t diminish suicide as all humans are emotional to greater and lesser degrees but it can only be extreme emotion that would cause someone to make a decision for which the outcome is completely uncertain. You can’t logically bet on something you don’t understand.

Holy shit you people are so retarded, how tf hasn’t society crumbled with entities with stupid roaming the earth

 

[tall0ner]

Nigger you just said roping is irrational, do you have dementia

I said generally, but there are fringe cases.

 

[tall0ner]

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[hypernormie]

>you don’t know what the future holds after roping

I can’t be sure what will happen after doing to sleep. For all I know I could get kidnapped in bed and then tortured to death. Or bill gates might sneak into my room and give me a gorillian dollars. That doesn’t mean I can’t make a rational decision on whether to go to bed or not based on inferences of what is the most likely result.

The fact you typed this and thought it made sense is incredible

 

[Ruthless]

 

[hypernormie]

>you don’t know what the future holds after roping

I can’t be sure what will happen after doing to sleep. For all I know I could get kidnapped in bed and then tortured to death. Or bill gates might sneak into my room and give me a gorillian dollars. That doesn’t mean I can’t make a rational decision on whether to go to bed or not based on inferences of what is the most likely result.

Here let me help you, you do know what happens after going to sleep because you’ve done it before

You don’t know what happens after you die because you’ve never done it before

Hope that clears it up for you

 

[looksmaxxed]

life is precious. instead of throwing away this gift, steal it from the undeserving instead.

 

[Jiaxi]

nothing matters

your presuming that you can improve but you can’t because there’s no such thing as good or bad

you only feel value becuase of evolution, but outside of your animalistic emotions there’s nothing that makes life better than death

if you want to know why you should kill yourself more read pg.20-31 of https://archive.org/details/MitchellHeismanSuicideNote/page/n21/mode/1up?view=theater
and listen to adam lanzas my antinatalism video here

why aren’t you dead

 

[noobs]

why aren’t you dead

bc there’s no reason to choose death or life

i want to live irrationally

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Here let me help you, you do know what happens after going to sleep because you’ve done it before

You don’t know what happens after you die because you’ve never done it before

Hope that clears it up for you

No, I can expect that I will probably have the same result I usually have, but I cannot be certain, just as I cannot be certain of what will happen after I die.
Perhaps a better example would be choosing a degree. It’s hard to know what majoring in CS would bring. Maybe it would be better to major in Biology, or Economics. I don’t know what will happen. It’s extremely unpredictable. But I can still make educated decisions based on what I think is more likely to happen, and therefore it isn’t irrational to make such a decision.

Also by your logic, choosing not to kill yoursekf is also irrational, because you are making a choice to temporarily avoid the afterlife when, according to yourself, you have “no idea” what the afterlife would being

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Here let me help you, you do know what happens after going to sleep because you’ve done it before

You don’t know what happens after you die because you’ve never done it before

Hope that clears it up for you

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

No, I can expect that I will probably have the same result I usually have, but I cannot be certain, just as I cannot be certain of what will happen after I die.
Perhaps a better example would be choosing a degree. It’s hard to know what majoring in CS would bring. Maybe it would be better to major in Biology, or Economics. I don’t know what will happen. It’s extremely unpredictable. But I can still make educated decisions based on what I think is more likely to happen, and therefore it isn’t irrational to make such a decision.

Also by your logic, choosing not to kill yoursekf is also irrational, because you are making a choice to temporarily avoid the afterlife when, according to yourself, you have “no idea” what the afterlife would being

Also by your logic, I don’t know what life will bring. Maybe in 40 years ai in enslave and torture us for what feels like 100 trillion years. Or maybe it will give us 100 trillion years to pleasure. I “can’t predict” the result of existing in a rapidly changing and volatile world, therefore it must be “irrational” for me to choose to live. Durr

 

[hypernormie]

No, I can expect that I will probably have the same result I usually have, but I cannot be certain, just as I cannot be certain of what will happen after I die.
Perhaps a better example would be choosing a degree. It’s hard to know what majoring in CS would bring. Maybe it would be better to major in Biology, or Economics. I don’t know what will happen. It’s extremely unpredictable. But I can still make educated decisions based on what I think is more likely to happen, and therefore it isn’t irrational to make such a decision.

Also by your logic, choosing not to kill yoursekf is also irrational, because you are making a choice to temporarily avoid the afterlife when, according to yourself, you have “no idea” what the afterlife would being

You seem to not be able to understand how going to sleep and dying are two fundamentally different things

Every example you gave is an example where you have some information. You do not have a guarantee but you have a previous data point to make estimations from

That does not hold true for dying, an act which you have no previous experience with and no data at all to make inferences from

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

You seem to not be able to understand how going to sleep and dying are two fundamentally different things

Every example you gave is an example where you have some information. You do not have a guarantee but you have a previous data point to make estimations from

That does not hold true for dying, an act which you have no previous experience with and no data at all to make inferences from

Just because I’ve never done something before doesn’t mean I can’t use my brain to made an educated opinion on what might happen.
Also, as I’ve said before, you can use the same logic to say you should kill yourself, because since you have no data at all to infer what will happen after death, its “irrational” to decide to avoid death.
We have to make a decision to embrace death or avoid it. You claim we have no knowledge of what will happen after we die, but how does that make either decision the ”more rational” option?

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Just because I’ve never done something before doesn’t mean I can’t use my brain to made an educated opinion on what might happen.
Also, as I’ve said before, you can use the same logic to say you should kill yourself, because since you have no data at all to infer what will happen after death, its “irrational” to decide to avoid death.
We have to make a decision to embrace death or avoid it. You claim we have no knowledge of what will happen after we die, but how does that make either decision the ”more rational” option?

You can’t just claim I can’t rationally choose to make a decision because I have no choice but to make I choice. Every second of my life I am forced to choose between embracing death or avoiding it. Not committing suicide is a choice just like committing suicide is.

 

[notalive]

Why use so many words to say don't rope until it's over?
If it's over, then rope. Simple as that.

 

[hypernormie]

Just because I’ve never done something before doesn’t mean I can’t use my brain to made an educated opinion on what might happen.
Also, as I’ve said before, you can use the same logic to say you should kill yourself, because since you have no data at all to infer what will happen after death, its “irrational” to decide to avoid death.
We have to make a decision to embrace death or avoid it. You claim we have no knowledge of what will happen after we die, but how does that make either decision the ”more rational” option?

You can’t make an educated opinion on something you have zero information on

I never said it’s more rational to avoid death I simply said choosing to commit suicide can’t be done rationally I don’t think choosing to avoid death can be done rationally either

 

[hypernormie]

>you don’t know what the future holds after roping

I can’t be sure what will happen after doing to sleep. For all I know I could get kidnapped in bed and then tortured to death. Or bill gates might sneak into my room and give me a gorillian dollars. That doesn’t mean I can’t make a rational decision on whether to go to bed or not based on inferences of what is the most likely result.

My question here is what do you think is most likely to occur after you die? And whatever your answer is, how do you even get the odds on that? I’m curious.

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

You can’t make an educated opinion on something you have zero information on

I never said it’s more rational to avoid death I simply said choosing to commit suicide can’t be done rationally I don’t think choosing to avoid death can be done rationally either

?? But you have to choose to either die or not die. By your reasoning you would be irrational no matter what, no?

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

My question here is what do you think is most likely to occur after you die? And whatever your answer is, how do you even get the odds on that? I’m curious.

I’m agnostic, so it’s hard to say exactly what’s most likely. I think there’s a large chance a stop existing, a large chance I wake up and realize I was in some sort of simulation, a large chance I go to heaven or hell or whatever, and a large chance something no else happens.
I can’t say with, say 80% confidence that I will stop existing and therefore suicide is the best option, but I also can’t say with 80% confidence that staying in college is the right move

 

[hypernormie]

?? But you have to choose to either die or not die. By your reasoning you would be irrational no matter what, no?

Because it is irrational no matter what??

 

[hypernormie]

I’m agnostic, so it’s hard to say exactly what’s most likely. I think there’s a large chance a stop existing, a large chance I wake up and realize I was in some sort of simulation, a large chance I go to heaven or hell or whatever, and a large chance something no else happens.
I can’t say with, say 80% confidence that I will stop existing and therefore suicide is the best option, but I also can’t say with 80% confidence that staying in college is the right move

And where did you get the data to say there is a “large chance” of any of these things happening?

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

And where did you get the data to say there is a “large chance” of any of these things happening?

My brain and my knowledge of how things are

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Because it is irrational no matter what??

?? Then there’s no point in even saying anything because it’s meaningless

 

[hypernormie]

?? Then there’s no point in even saying anything because it’s meaningless

Well yeah that’s my point

technically you can rationally commit suicide if there is some goal you wish to accomplish that necessitates your death such a paying out a life insurance claim or saving a fellow soldier by jumping on a grenade. However you can’t rationality commit suicide to solve your own problems because you can’t guarantee suicide will solve those problems because you have no information on what happens after death.

 

[hypernormie]

My brain and my knowledge of how things are

You don’t have any knowledge about what happens after death to even make the conjecture

 

[vulcan_]

bc there’s no reason to choose death or life

i want to live irrationally

curious do you have any goals before you want to die? I find the illusion completely inspiring and fuels a passion of uncovering more through science personally

 

[noobs]

curious do you have any goals before you want to die? I find the illusion completely inspiring and fuels a passion of uncovering more through science personally

the reason you feel anything is to evolve and succeed

i exist to evolve and succeed darwinistically

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

You don’t have any knowledge about what happens after death to even make the conjecture

I just fundamentally disagree. I believe that my knowledge can be used to help infer what might happen in circumstances I have never been in.

 

[vulcan_]

the reason you feel anything is to evolve and succeed

i exist to evolve and succeed darwinistically

That’s exactly how I see it too. It’s fascinating how evolution shapes so much of what we feel and do. really makes me question how much control we really have over our choices, environment plays a role too i suppose

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Well yeah that’s my point

technically you can rationally commit suicide if there is some goal you wish to accomplish that necessitates your death such a paying out a life insurance claim or saving a fellow soldier by jumping on a grenade. However you can’t rationality commit suicide to solve your own problems because you can’t guarantee suicide will solve those problems because you have no information on what happens after death.

Would you agree that killing yourself to avoid suffering is rational?

 

[hypernormie]

I just fundamentally disagree. I believe that my knowledge can be used to help infer what might happen in circumstances I have never been in.

Ok so I ask, what knowledge do you have about what happens after you die to make such inferences?

 

[hypernormie]

Would you agree that killing yourself to avoid suffering is rational?

No because you cannot guarantee that you will avoid suffering upon death

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

No because you cannot guarantee that you will avoid suffering upon death

Then wouldn’t staying alive to minimize suffering also be irrational since you cannot know that you won’t have infinite pleasure and no suffering after death

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Ok so I ask, what knowledge do you have about what happens after you die to make such inferences?

I have knowledge of what exists in the living world, and I think that is sufficient to make inferences.
Just as you treat the world of the living and the “world” of the death as completely separately, I could just as easily treat the world of the past and the world of the future as being separate, and say that since I’m not a time traveler I have no knowledge of the world of the future (for all I know the universe in the future world could implode 5 seconds from now) and therefore cannot make any inferences about it