Why “Test-Only” Cycles Aren’t Always the Best Approach

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There’s a common trope that beginners should always run a testosterone-only cycle before adding other compounds. While this makes sense for understanding side effects, it’s not always the best choice for maximizing muscle and aesthetics.



1. High Testosterone = More Estrogen & Prolactin = More Side Effects



Running high doses of test sounds great on paper, but in reality, it comes with unwanted side effects:



🚫 More Aromatization = More Estrogen

• Leads to water retention, bloating, and potential gyno

• Makes muscles look softer instead of hard and dry



🚫 Higher Prolactin

• Can cause low libido, mood swings, and potential gyno risk

• Harder to control than estrogen



✅ Better Strategy: Run test at the highest dose possible WITHOUT needing an AI, then add other compounds to enhance your physique.



2. There Are Better Compounds Than Testosterone for Aesthetics & Muscle Growth



Testosterone is great for foundational muscle growth, but if your goal is an elite, aesthetic physique, there are superior compounds to enhance muscle quality and definition.



✔ Primobolan (Master Muscle Builder, No Bloat)

• Lean, dry muscle gains with minimal side effects

• Doesn’t aromatize, meaning zero estrogenic bloat

• Pairs perfectly with low/moderate test for an aesthetic look



✔ Masteron (Test Refinement & Dryness)

• Enhances free test levels while keeping estrogen in check

• DHT-based, so it hardens muscles & sharpens facial aesthetics

• Doesn’t cause water retention



✔ Anavar (Elite Aesthetic Compound for Lean Muscle & Strength)

• Boosts strength and vascularity without bloat

• Improves muscle hardness and density

• Perfect for refining a physique without crazy androgenic effects



3. Best Approach: Moderate Test + Smart Additions



Instead of slamming test to 750mg+ and dealing with side effects, run a more balanced stack that gives better muscle quality, fewer side effects, and a cleaner look.



Example of a Smarter Cycle:



✅ Testosterone Enanthate 300-400mg/week (Base Hormone)

✅ Primobolan 400-600mg/week (Lean muscle builder, no aromatization)

✅ Proviron 25-50mg/day (Boosts androgens, enhances facial aesthetics, no side effects)

🚫 NO AI unless absolutely needed (Estrogen balance is key)



Result: A hard, lean, aesthetic physique without excessive estrogenic bloating, gyno risk, or prolactin issues.



4. Final Thoughts – Test-Only Cycles Are Overrated



🚫 Test-only can work but isn’t always the best

🚫 Too much test = estrogenic sides, bloating, and prolactin issues

✅ A more balanced stack = better muscle quality, fewer side effects, and an elite aesthetic look



Final Takeaway



If your goal is aesthetics, not just size, a balanced approach (Test + Primo/Masteron/Anavar) is superior to blindly running high-test with an AI.



Keep test at the highest dose possible WITHOUT needing an AI, and use other compounds strategically to build a superior physique.





@Clavicular


@ConfusedBolivian
 
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how do i control prolactin on 500mg test
aromasin?
also what abt progesterone
 
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how do i control prolactin on 500mg test
aromasin?
also what abt progesterone
Lowering your estrogen will lower your prolactin,
Use aromisan as its one of the milder AI’s,

Then take 100-200mg of p5p every day
 
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how do i control prolactin on 500mg test
aromasin?
also what abt progesterone
200-300mg of test a week may be better
As then u won’t have to worrry about using an AI

And then you can use better compounds
 
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200-300mg of test a week may be better
As then u won’t have to worrry about using an AI

And then you can use better compounds
I want to do a lower cycle but i need to blast while my plates are still open
the lowest i’ll go to is probably 400 for a while and then i’ll just cruise at 250
 
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Just spam hgh and tren with pretty low dosage of test
 
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200-300mg of test a week may be better
As then u won’t have to worrry about using an AI

And then you can use better compounds
btw u didn’t mention how to control progesterone or i’m guessing that goes down when i control estrogen
 
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Just spam hgh and tren with pretty low dosage of test
hard to get real hgh or high quality hgh
qsc is down rn i think they’re gonna be back soon
tren is fucking retarded to use
especially before the age of 28
-makes u uncontrollably angry and burn
-extremely neurotoxic
-bad for liver without right protocol
-take tren to speedrun to death and make urself permanently mentally disabled
 
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hard to get real hgh or high quality hgh
qsc is down rn i think they’re gonna be back soon
tren is fucking retarded to use
especially before the age of 28
-makes u uncontrollably angry and burn
-extremely neurotoxic
-bad for liver without right protocol
-take tren to speedrun to death and make urself permanently mentally disabled
Its not gonna do all that if you dont overuse it. Most people just take it in the same dosages as test and its fucking them up, also the side effects doesnt touch everybody, you just gotta experiment with dosages and check how your body reacts
 
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Its not gonna do all that if you dont overuse it. Most people just take it in the same dosages as test and its fucking them up, also the side effects doesnt touch everybody, you just gotta experiment with dosages and check how your body reacts
steroids aren’t remotely well researched enough yet for me to dabble in that kind of stuff
i’ll just stick to good old testosterone
 
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steroids aren’t remotely well researched enough yet for me to dabble in that kind of stuff
i’ll just stick to good old testosterone
Probably the best if you arent serious about bodybuilding
 
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Good post, downside with primo is it lowers estrogen and in turn can cause hair loss since estrogen:androgen ratio is off.
 
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please don't give more advice boyo

DHT derivatives suck except for var
 
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1.Prolactin is not really any issue with testosterone, only 19-nor compounds(Deca, Tren etc)

2.Progesterone is unaffected, again unless taking 19-nors

3.Giving a "Good" example stack and showing test and primo at a 1:1 ratio bare minimum is retarded

I have more experience then a lot here, and I would honestly say i'd rather either have never started test and just stuck with enclomiphene plus sarms for frame, or used just testosterone and maybe anavar at most. When looks are still your priority the diminishing returns can come very quickly. Many people here are also too young to run proper ancillaries. Be careful.
 
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Lowering your estrogen will lower your prolactin,
Use aromisan as its one of the milder AI’s,

Then take 100-200mg of p5p every day
whats p5p brutha?
 
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1.Prolactin is not really any issue with testosterone, only 19-nor compounds(Deca, Tren etc)

2.Progesterone is unaffected, again unless taking 19-nors

3.Giving a "Good" example stack and showing test and primo at a 1:1 ratio bare minimum is retarded

I have more experience then a lot here, and I would honestly say i'd rather either have never started test and just stuck with enclomiphene plus sarms for frame, or used just testosterone and maybe anavar at most. When looks are still your priority the diminishing returns can come very quickly. Many people here are also too young to run proper ancillaries. Be careful.
U can have high prolactin on test mate
 
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idk how much i can trust you but i was debating to either go 500mg test pure or do 300 with anavar 10mg
 
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great fucking thread
 
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Thats never talked about and would be odd to have. No one says this ever lol.
What an earth are you taking about ?!

Lots of people get high estrodile on testosterone especially above 300mg a week

And that will also raise prolactin
 
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1.Prolactin is not really any issue with testosterone, only 19-nor compounds(Deca, Tren etc)

2.Progesterone is unaffected, again unless taking 19-nors

3.Giving a "Good" example stack and showing test and primo at a 1:1 ratio bare minimum is retarded

I have more experience then a lot here, and I would honestly say i'd rather either have never started test and just stuck with enclomiphene plus sarms for frame, or used just testosterone and maybe anavar at most. When looks are still your priority the diminishing returns can come very quickly. Many people here are also too young to run proper ancillaries. Be careful.
Sarms 🤣😓,

Who the hell is still using those in 2025
 
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1.Prolactin is not really any issue with testosterone, only 19-nor compounds(Deca, Tren etc)

2.Progesterone is unaffected, again unless taking 19-nors

3.Giving a "Good" example stack and showing test and primo at a 1:1 ratio bare minimum is retarded

I have more experience then a lot here, and I would honestly say i'd rather either have never started test and just stuck with enclomiphene plus sarms for frame, or used just testosterone and maybe anavar at most. When looks are still your priority the diminishing returns can come very quickly. Many people here are also too young to run proper ancillaries. Be careful.
how mush test did you ran how mush would you ran w anavar if you were young
 
None. Leave the forum, kid.
brother I m 21 4 years in training 500 test per week 25mg anavar as a kickoff and have my full cycle tbh idk why I asked this
 
brother I m 21 4 years in training 500 test per week 25mg anavar as a kickoff and have my full cycle tbh idk why I asked this
Then why say if you were young, 21 is a fine time to start lol
 
brother I m 21 4 years in training 500 test per week 25mg anavar as a kickoff and have my full cycle tbh idk why I asked this
Good n blast n cruise don’t cycle
 

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