Why topical minoxidil is better than oral and why you should use it with tretinion

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I've said this a couple of times but it seems many people still don't know about this.


First of all why you should avoid oral minoxidil:
-unwanted hair growth
-bloating/ excessive water retention
-possible low blood pressure



Topical minoxidil on the other hand:
-is far less systemic and grows hair around where it's placed
-has less water retention issues
-causes no cardiovascular issues for most people



One issue many experience with topical minoxidil is lack of effectiveness. To understand why this happens let's look how topical minoxidil actually works.


Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener.


That means it:

  • Increases local blood flow around hair follicles
  • Relaxes smooth muscle around blood vessels

This improves delivery of Oxygen Nutrients and Growth Signals. A perfect environment for hair to grow.


Now here comes the issue:

It has to be converted into its active form.


Topical minoxidil itself isn’t fully active.


It must be converted into minoxidil sulfate This happens via an enzyme called sulfotransferase.

People with low sulfotransferase activity respond less to topical minoxidil this explains why some people see great results and others don’t.


Now comes the ultimate savior into play: Tretinion


Tretinoin works by binding to retinoic acid receptors inside scalp and follicle cells. These receptors directly regulate gene transcription, increasing the expression of genes involved in cellular metabolism and differentiation. Sulfotransferase enzymes are among those that can be upregulated by this process. As a result, tretinoin increases the local production and activity of sulfotransferase in the scalp, allowing more minoxidil to be converted into its active sulfate form right at the follicle.

Tretinoin also speeds up epidermal and follicular cell turnover. Older, less metabolically active cells are replaced more quickly with newer cells that have higher enzymatic activity. This creates a scalp environment that is better equipped to metabolize minoxidil, indirectly supporting higher sulfotransferase activity and more efficient drug activation.

Another effect of tretinoin is its ability to slightly thin and loosen the outermost layer of the skin. This allows more minoxidil to penetrate down to the hair follicle and reach the cells that contain sulfotransferase. While this does not directly create the enzyme, it increases the likelihood that minoxidil and sulfotransferase will interact, further improving conversion to the active form.



Note that this doesn't really apply to oral minoxidil because it doesn't need to penetrate the skin and gets mainly converted into its active form in the liver.




But what should you do now?



Use topical minoxidil on the areas you want hair growth.(Do not put it on eyelashes because it can darken the area. Putting it on eyebrows will still have an effect eyelashes because it travels can systemically even if it is not comparable to the completely systemic oral minoxidil).

Apply a normal amount of tretinion on that area.(If you need the hair growth on your face and already apply tret on it don't apply any more.)

Microneedling. 1mm twice a week on your entire face and the areas you want hairgrowth. Apart from it's collagen boosting effects it also boosts hairgrowth.



Thanks for reading.



 
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I've said this a couple of times but it seems many people still don't know about this.


First of all why you should avoid oral minoxidil:
-unwanted hair growth
-bloating/ excessive water retention
-possible low blood pressure



Topical minoxidil on the other hand:
-is far less systemic and grows hair around where it's placed
-has less water retention issues
-causes no cardiovascular issues for most people



One issue many experience with topical minoxidil is lack of effectiveness. To understand why this happens let's look how topical minoxidil actually works.


Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener.


That means it:


  • Increases local blood flow around hair follicles
  • Relaxes smooth muscle around blood vessels

This improves delivery of Oxygen Nutrients and Growth Signals. A perfect environment for hair to grow.


Now here comes the issue:

It has to be converted into its active form.


Topical minoxidil itself isn’t fully active.


It must be converted into minoxidil sulfate This happens via an enzyme called sulfotransferase.

People with low sulfotransferase activity respond less to topical minoxidil this explains why some people see great results and others don’t.



Now comes the ultimate savior into play: Tretinion


Tretinoin works by binding to retinoic acid receptors inside scalp and follicle cells. These receptors directly regulate gene transcription, increasing the expression of genes involved in cellular metabolism and differentiation. Sulfotransferase enzymes are among those that can be upregulated by this process. As a result, tretinoin increases the local production and activity of sulfotransferase in the scalp, allowing more minoxidil to be converted into its active sulfate form right at the follicle.

Tretinoin also speeds up epidermal and follicular cell turnover. Older, less metabolically active cells are replaced more quickly with newer cells that have higher enzymatic activity. This creates a scalp environment that is better equipped to metabolize minoxidil, indirectly supporting higher sulfotransferase activity and more efficient drug activation.

Another effect of tretinoin is its ability to slightly thin and loosen the outermost layer of the skin. This allows more minoxidil to penetrate down to the hair follicle and reach the cells that contain sulfotransferase. While this does not directly create the enzyme, it increases the likelihood that minoxidil and sulfotransferase will interact, further improving conversion to the active form.



Note that this doesn't really apply to oral minoxidil because it doesn't need to penetrate the skin and gets mainly converted into its active form in the liver.




But what should you do now?


Use topical minoxidil on the areas you want hair growth.(Do not put it on eyelashes because it can darken the area. Putting it on eyebrows will still have an effect eyelashes because it travels can systemically even if it is not comparable to the completely systemic oral minoxidil).

Apply a normal amount of tretinion on that area.(If you need the hair growth on your face and already apply tret on it don't apply any more.)

Microneedling. 1mm twice a week on your entire face and the areas you want hairgrowth. Apart from it's collagen boosting effects it also boosts hairgrowth.



Thanks for reading.



Can we use it with tazoratene
 
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What a good thread.
 
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Amazing guide. Oral minox is a hypertension drug btw and can have serious effects on the heart, besides the bloating
 
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If u use Oral minox or topical completely depends on ur situation

There's no better one there's too many factors to count in to call one better then the other

Its all ancedotal
 
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Amazing guide. Oral minox is a hypertension drug btw and it can have serious effects on the heart, besides the bloating
crazy that people make the effort to find a source for this shit
 
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someone bump this in a few hours I'm going to get my 8 hours of sleep
 
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I've said this a couple of times but it seems many people still don't know about this.


First of all why you should avoid oral minoxidil:
-unwanted hair growth
-bloating/ excessive water retention
-possible low blood pressure



Topical minoxidil on the other hand:
-is far less systemic and grows hair around where it's placed
-has less water retention issues
-causes no cardiovascular issues for most people



One issue many experience with topical minoxidil is lack of effectiveness. To understand why this happens let's look how topical minoxidil actually works.


Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener.


That means it:


  • Increases local blood flow around hair follicles
  • Relaxes smooth muscle around blood vessels

This improves delivery of Oxygen Nutrients and Growth Signals. A perfect environment for hair to grow.


Now here comes the issue:

It has to be converted into its active form.


Topical minoxidil itself isn’t fully active.


It must be converted into minoxidil sulfate This happens via an enzyme called sulfotransferase.

People with low sulfotransferase activity respond less to topical minoxidil this explains why some people see great results and others don’t.



Now comes the ultimate savior into play: Tretinion


Tretinoin works by binding to retinoic acid receptors inside scalp and follicle cells. These receptors directly regulate gene transcription, increasing the expression of genes involved in cellular metabolism and differentiation. Sulfotransferase enzymes are among those that can be upregulated by this process. As a result, tretinoin increases the local production and activity of sulfotransferase in the scalp, allowing more minoxidil to be converted into its active sulfate form right at the follicle.

Tretinoin also speeds up epidermal and follicular cell turnover. Older, less metabolically active cells are replaced more quickly with newer cells that have higher enzymatic activity. This creates a scalp environment that is better equipped to metabolize minoxidil, indirectly supporting higher sulfotransferase activity and more efficient drug activation.

Another effect of tretinoin is its ability to slightly thin and loosen the outermost layer of the skin. This allows more minoxidil to penetrate down to the hair follicle and reach the cells that contain sulfotransferase. While this does not directly create the enzyme, it increases the likelihood that minoxidil and sulfotransferase will interact, further improving conversion to the active form.



Note that this doesn't really apply to oral minoxidil because it doesn't need to penetrate the skin and gets mainly converted into its active form in the liver.




But what should you do now?


Use topical minoxidil on the areas you want hair growth.(Do not put it on eyelashes because it can darken the area. Putting it on eyebrows will still have an effect eyelashes because it travels can systemically even if it is not comparable to the completely systemic oral minoxidil).

Apply a normal amount of tretinion on that area.(If you need the hair growth on your face and already apply tret on it don't apply any more.)

Microneedling. 1mm twice a week on your entire face and the areas you want hairgrowth. Apart from it's collagen boosting effects it also boosts hairgrowth.



Thanks for reading.



Monoxidil also has affects on the heart do topical makes me feel it less, it does affect your veins TBH and bloats u
 
Impressive, very nice thread, the only problem I have with minoxidil is that it makes my hair drier cause of alcohol. Thats the reason I only use it at night before sleep.
 
been using both for about week now, which one is better to apply first and last though?
 
oral minox has 0 side effects u are all pussies tbh
 
You could do that or you could just buy the active form of minoxdil
 
oral minox has 0 side effects u are all pussies tbh
just not true. your experience doesn't refute clinical studies
 
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oral minox has 0 side effects u are all pussies tbh
I could find more than a dozen good studies proving you wrong
 
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its minoxdil sulfate
yes I know but I don't think its worth it if you can get similar effects with minoxidil +tret which is much cheaper
 
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I legit ran out of Topical , have been using last 6 months and results have been mid so bought a derma stamp that hasn't arrived yet. Also getting a dermapen but was thinking more for face.

Is Tretinoin the only useful ones? I still have like 2 bottles of retinol and Retinal left to use but I think it's possible they genuinely do nothing
 
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I legit ran out of Topical , have been using last 6 months and results have been mid so bought a derma stamp that hasn't arrived yet. Also getting a dermapen but was thinking more for face.

Is Tretinoin the only useful ones? I still have like 2 bottles of retinol and Retinal left to use but I think it's possible they genuinely do nothing
would also help but tret is of course stronger and has a a better effect
 
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would also help but tret is of course stronger and has a a better effect
I'm in UK so use one of those 'online prescription' sites , but they sell minox but no Tret 😭 last time I saw a decent Tret site I had to do some video call and they said my skin looks fine and I don't need it like WHAT THE FUCK ? literally turning down free money
 
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I'm in UK so use one of those 'online prescription' sites , but they sell minox but no Tret 😭 last time I saw a decent Tret site I had to do some video call and they said my skin looks fine and I don't need it like WHAT THE FUCK ? literally turning down free money
you sometimes find tret on amazon by some shady sellers it seems legit but I never tried it myself hold on I'm gonna look if I still have the link
 
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I'm in UK so use one of those 'online prescription' sites , but they sell minox but no Tret 😭 last time I saw a decent Tret site I had to do some video call and they said my skin looks fine and I don't need it like WHAT THE FUCK ? literally turning down free money
Amazon here you go. there's a 0,1% too. I'm not guaranteeing that it is legit tho.
 
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Amazon here you go. there's a 0,1% too. I'm not guaranteeing that it is legit tho.
thx, yeah I saw those, but the issue is it's probably just slop , i need the real stuff , i used to buy cheap sk from amazon and my skin justlooked shiny from cheap chemicals and I got more red patches so now I make sure its at least legit , idc about brand our source as long as there's some guarantee its what I want, that's why I'm still sceptical wit peptides and stuff
 
Amazing guide. Oral minox is a hypertension drug btw and can have serious effects on the heart, besides the bloating
weren’t those higher dosages
 
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weren’t those higher dosages
Even at low doses it carries the cardiovascular risks, the risk outweighs the cosmetic benefit
 
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the risk on 2.5mg is borderline nothing
 
the risk on 2.5mg is borderline nothing
Fluid retention still occurs and it will make you bloated (bad both for health and aesthetics). Topical will do the job just fine, and if you want any oral for hair, the choice is dutasteride
 
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Fluid retention still occurs and it will make you bloated (bad both for health and aesthetics). Topical will do the job just fine, and if you want any oral for hair, the choice is dutasteride
yeah the fluid retention is an obvious looksmin i got long ass lashes from it tho, i def am bloated but im also like probably borderline 20% bodyfat
 

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yeah the fluid retention is an obvious looksmin i got long ass lashes from it tho, i def am bloated but im also like probably borderline 20% bodyfat
nice lashes. Mine grew form topical minoxidil as well but I quickly stopped applying it directly on them after I noticed the area darkening and heard about the potential fat loss. They still grow from application on eyebrows tho.
 
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thanks bhai🥰 i still got some darkening from minoxidil i started using a caffiene serum it helped a bit but my undereyes are still slightly darker then what they were
 
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nice lashes. Mine grew form topical minoxidil as well but I quickly stopped applying it directly on them after I noticed the area darkening and heard about the potential fat loss. They still grow from application on eyebrows tho.
fuck forgot to reply again jfl
 
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blud flow
 
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LOL, who has those side effects on 2,5 mg to 5 mg. The named side effects are literally only common in doses that are used to treat high blood pressure. Plus for the same effect as oral i would have to drench my whole scalp, lashes (dangerous asf) and eyebrows with disgusting alcohol. And for the unwanted hair just shave gng.
 
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thx, yeah I saw those, but the issue is it's probably just slop , i need the real stuff , i used to buy cheap sk from amazon and my skin justlooked shiny from cheap chemicals and I got more red patches so now I make sure its at least legit , idc about brand our source as long as there's some guarantee its what I want, that's why I'm still sceptical wit peptides and stuff
True , why would someone buy Tretinoin from Amazon. Quality will probably be dogshit.
Skinorac.org seems to be a good source. @Rumi also bought some of there stuff and he seems to be a knowledgeable guy.
 
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I'm in UK so use one of those 'online prescription' sites , but they sell minox but no Tret 😭 last time I saw a decent Tret site I had to do some video call and they said my skin looks fine and I don't need it like WHAT THE FUCK ? literally turning down free money
why don’t you buy oral isotretinoin from grey market vendors. They seem to be pretty cheap
 
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Should i first apply minox or tret ?
 
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Should i first apply minox or tret ?
doesn't matter tried both first for some time and didn't see a difference but don't apply directly after either way
wait some minutes
 
I've said this a couple of times but it seems many people still don't know about this.


First of all why you should avoid oral minoxidil:
-unwanted hair growth
-bloating/ excessive water retention
-possible low blood pressure



Topical minoxidil on the other hand:
-is far less systemic and grows hair around where it's placed
-has less water retention issues
-causes no cardiovascular issues for most people



One issue many experience with topical minoxidil is lack of effectiveness. To understand why this happens let's look how topical minoxidil actually works.


Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener.


That means it:


  • Increases local blood flow around hair follicles
  • Relaxes smooth muscle around blood vessels

This improves delivery of Oxygen Nutrients and Growth Signals. A perfect environment for hair to grow.


Now here comes the issue:

It has to be converted into its active form.


Topical minoxidil itself isn’t fully active.


It must be converted into minoxidil sulfate This happens via an enzyme called sulfotransferase.

People with low sulfotransferase activity respond less to topical minoxidil this explains why some people see great results and others don’t.



Now comes the ultimate savior into play: Tretinion


Tretinoin works by binding to retinoic acid receptors inside scalp and follicle cells. These receptors directly regulate gene transcription, increasing the expression of genes involved in cellular metabolism and differentiation. Sulfotransferase enzymes are among those that can be upregulated by this process. As a result, tretinoin increases the local production and activity of sulfotransferase in the scalp, allowing more minoxidil to be converted into its active sulfate form right at the follicle.

Tretinoin also speeds up epidermal and follicular cell turnover. Older, less metabolically active cells are replaced more quickly with newer cells that have higher enzymatic activity. This creates a scalp environment that is better equipped to metabolize minoxidil, indirectly supporting higher sulfotransferase activity and more efficient drug activation.

Another effect of tretinoin is its ability to slightly thin and loosen the outermost layer of the skin. This allows more minoxidil to penetrate down to the hair follicle and reach the cells that contain sulfotransferase. While this does not directly create the enzyme, it increases the likelihood that minoxidil and sulfotransferase will interact, further improving conversion to the active form.



Note that this doesn't really apply to oral minoxidil because it doesn't need to penetrate the skin and gets mainly converted into its active form in the liver.




But what should you do now?


Use topical minoxidil on the areas you want hair growth.(Do not put it on eyelashes because it can darken the area. Putting it on eyebrows will still have an effect eyelashes because it travels can systemically even if it is not comparable to the completely systemic oral minoxidil).

Apply a normal amount of tretinion on that area.(If you need the hair growth on your face and already apply tret on it don't apply any more.)

Microneedling. 1mm twice a week on your entire face and the areas you want hairgrowth. Apart from it's collagen boosting effects it also boosts hairgrowth.



Thanks for reading.



What % of tret, before or after using minox? Be more specific with the regime
 
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What % of tret, before or after using minox? Be more specific with the regime
any % of tret will give you better results if you lack the enzyme
0,1% does more than 0,05%
i tried both and there isn't a huge difference
 
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any % of tret will give you better results if you lack the enzyme
0,1% does more than 0,05%
i tried both and there isn't a huge difference
So apply the cream and then minox?
 
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So apply the cream and then minox?
yes I do that just out of habit but it doesn't make a difference make sure to leave some minutes in between the application
 
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I've said this a couple of times but it seems many people still don't know about this.


First of all why you should avoid oral minoxidil:
-unwanted hair growth
-bloating/ excessive water retention
-possible low blood pressure



Topical minoxidil on the other hand:
-is far less systemic and grows hair around where it's placed
-has less water retention issues
-causes no cardiovascular issues for most people



One issue many experience with topical minoxidil is lack of effectiveness. To understand why this happens let's look how topical minoxidil actually works.


Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener.


That means it:


  • Increases local blood flow around hair follicles
  • Relaxes smooth muscle around blood vessels

This improves delivery of Oxygen Nutrients and Growth Signals. A perfect environment for hair to grow.


Now here comes the issue:

It has to be converted into its active form.


Topical minoxidil itself isn’t fully active.


It must be converted into minoxidil sulfate This happens via an enzyme called sulfotransferase.

People with low sulfotransferase activity respond less to topical minoxidil this explains why some people see great results and others don’t.



Now comes the ultimate savior into play: Tretinion


Tretinoin works by binding to retinoic acid receptors inside scalp and follicle cells. These receptors directly regulate gene transcription, increasing the expression of genes involved in cellular metabolism and differentiation. Sulfotransferase enzymes are among those that can be upregulated by this process. As a result, tretinoin increases the local production and activity of sulfotransferase in the scalp, allowing more minoxidil to be converted into its active sulfate form right at the follicle.

Tretinoin also speeds up epidermal and follicular cell turnover. Older, less metabolically active cells are replaced more quickly with newer cells that have higher enzymatic activity. This creates a scalp environment that is better equipped to metabolize minoxidil, indirectly supporting higher sulfotransferase activity and more efficient drug activation.

Another effect of tretinoin is its ability to slightly thin and loosen the outermost layer of the skin. This allows more minoxidil to penetrate down to the hair follicle and reach the cells that contain sulfotransferase. While this does not directly create the enzyme, it increases the likelihood that minoxidil and sulfotransferase will interact, further improving conversion to the active form.



Note that this doesn't really apply to oral minoxidil because it doesn't need to penetrate the skin and gets mainly converted into its active form in the liver.




But what should you do now?


Use topical minoxidil on the areas you want hair growth.(Do not put it on eyelashes because it can darken the area. Putting it on eyebrows will still have an effect eyelashes because it travels can systemically even if it is not comparable to the completely systemic oral minoxidil).

Apply a normal amount of tretinion on that area.(If you need the hair growth on your face and already apply tret on it don't apply any more.)

Microneedling. 1mm twice a week on your entire face and the areas you want hairgrowth. Apart from it's collagen boosting effects it also boosts hairgrowth.



Thanks for reading.



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