Will bsso always give you better bigonial width? is it always a looksmax?

[Deleted member 4310]

Or will it only make your chin more projected? sry if it's a greycel-tier question but I don't know shit about these procedures.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

BSSO lengthens the mandible

 

[Deleted member 4310]

BSSO lengthens the mandible

Can it make a decent jaw turn into a top-tier jaw?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Can it make a decent jaw turn into a top-tier jaw?

depends on a lot of factors

 

[Deleted member 4310]

depends on a lot of factors

elab pls.

 

[Deleted member 4310]

bumo

 

[Deleted member 4797]

You can get BSSO with chin wing to make the jaw wider and more masculine, Dr Andreischev does this, the results Ive seen look very good, although he could just selectively be showing only his best results.

 

[HumidVent]

I'm probably getting a bsso but I'm having second thoughts. I know from a side profile it will improve my looks but from the front some people say it can make the jaw narrower.

I don't know how true it is but if you jut your lower jaw so the bottom teeth are directly under the top teeth it will give you an idea of what a bsso can do. However when you jut your jaw like this it also moves the ramus which won't be affected by the bsso.

 

[Deleted member 4887]

I'm probably getting a bsso but I'm having second thoughts. I know from a side profile it will improve my looks but from the front some people say it can make the jaw narrower.

I don't know how true it is but if you jut your lower jaw so the bottom teeth are directly under the top teeth it will give you an idea of what a bsso can do. However when you jut your jaw like this it also moves the ramus which won't be affected by the bsso.

Then you could just fix the narrow jaw with fillers/ implants

 

[Deleted member 4310]

Then you could just fix the narrow jaw with fillers/ implants

Just made a new thread asking about this jfl

 

[Y2J97]

I'm probably getting a bsso but I'm having second thoughts. I know from a side profile it will improve my looks but from the front some people say it can make the jaw narrower.

I don't know how true it is but if you jut your lower jaw so the bottom teeth are directly under the top teeth it will give you an idea of what a bsso can do. However when you jut your jaw like this it also moves the ramus which won't be affected by the bsso.

Where you read this? It is impossible, indeed in some case BSSO with widen your jaw.

Increase of bigonial distance after BSSO

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213653316000380 The first goal of the study was to assess the impact of ABSSO (advancement bilateral sagittal split osteotomy) on the BGD (bigonial distance), one day and one year after surgery. The second objective was to look for a possible...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 4671]

bsso + implant = good bigonial width?

 

[Y2J97]

bsso + implant = good bigonial width?

I think the implants over you jawline is always risk to make you bloated, personally I'll avoid it.
I prefer osteotomies, maybe a chin wing to improve gonial angles, to make them defined.

 

[Deleted member 4671]

I think the implants over you jawline is always risk to make you bloated, personally I'll avoid it.
I prefer osteotomies, maybe a chin wing to improve gonial angles, to make them defined.

My gonial angle is already okay its just not that visble from the front like you dont see any angularity.

 

[6ft4]

You can get BSSO with chin wing to make the jaw wider and more masculine, Dr Andreischev does this, the results Ive seen look very good, although he could just selectively be showing only his best results.

Got any Pics of bsso+chin wing?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Got any Pics of bsso+chin wing?

The translation for his description of those pictures:

Biaxial osteotomy + chin-wing. Before surgery and after 3 months p / o.


There could still be mild swelling after 3 months still, idk tbh.

 

[Xander578]

IMDO widens the bigonial

 

[Deleted member 3043]

IMDO widens the bigonial

a bit
better go for either chin wing or side wing

 

[Xander578]

a bit

up to 11%

 

[Deleted member 3043]

up to 11%

9/100

 

[Xander578]

9/100

-19

 

[Deleted member 3043]

-19

you mirin it ?

 

[Deleted member 4887]

IMDO doesn’t widen the bigonial why are you spreading this fake news

IMDO widens the bigonial

bigonial width actually decreases with IMDO but jaw appears wider.

I think MSDO slightly increases bigonial but mostly chin width

 

[Deleted member 3043]

IMDO doesn’t widen the bigonial why are you spreading this fake news

a very bit

 

[Xander578]

IMDO doesn’t widen the bigonial why are you spreading this fake news

I think dr paul Coceancig mentioned it in one of his videos, i'll try and find it

IMDO doesn’t widen the bigonial why are you spreading this fake news

While this is after IMDO then superbimax(which includes another imdo) it's clear that his bigonial increased.

Note here that it also fits with what dr Paul describes on his website and I quote:
"The lower jaw lengthens, widens and becomes 3-dimensionally bigger as it grows."(https://www.profilosurgical.com.au/jaw-surgery/what-is-imdo/)
and here is the video:

 

[Deleted member 4310]

I think dr paul Coceancig mentioned it in one of his videos, i'll try and find it

While this is after IMDO then superbimax(which includes another imdo) it's clear that his bigonial increased.

Note here that it also fits with what dr Paul describes on his website and I quote:
"The lower jaw lengthens, widens and becomes 3-dimensionally bigger as it grows."(https://www.profilosurgical.com.au/jaw-surgery/what-is-imdo/)
and here is the video:

I will consult with my orthodontist about what procedures are viable for me, provided that I have an overbite. I'm pretty sure that I can get free BSSO but I don't know about IMDO. Might get BSSO and then regular jaw implants.

 

[Xander578]

I will consult with my orthodontist about what procedures are viable for me, provided that I have an overbite. I'm pretty sure that I can get free BSSO but I don't know about IMDO. Might get BSSO and then regular jaw implants.

That works too, good luck boyo

 

[NarcyChadlite]

You can get BSSO with chin wing to make the jaw wider and more masculine, Dr Andreischev does this, the results Ive seen look very good, although he could just selectively be showing only his best results.

Like this?

But buddyboyo... isnt that just increasing width in the chin-bsso cut section?????
that would mean the true bigonial width is still the same (posterior end of chin wing is not @ gonion) .... would that not look wierd???

Wondering if its better to wait for bone to fill up gaps and then do a proper gonion-chin chin wing (lowering gonial angle and inc. bigonial width together) .. or do chin wing with bimax and then jaw angle implants...
Also heard some shit about cutting mandible very high or horizontally for the bsso portion of bimax.. allowing traditional chin wing to be possible (gonion-chin)

Fuuk too many options

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Like this?
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But buddyboyo... isnt that just increasing width in the chin-bsso cut section?????
that would mean the true bigonial width is still the same (posterior end of chin wing is not @ gonion) .... would that not look wierd???

Wondering if its better to wait for bone to fill up gaps and then do a proper gonion-chin chin wing (lowering gonial angle and inc. bigonial width together) .. or do chin wing with bimax and then jaw angle implants...
Also heard some shit about cutting mandible very high or horizontally for the bsso portion of bimax.. allowing traditional chin wing to be possible (gonion-chin)

Fuuk too many options

Thats right they can do the Chin Wing traditionally while moving the mouth forward with a higher cut, like this:

The problem with this style is that the jaw doesn't increase in length (except the chin from genioplasty), and is also makes the ramus forward set which is not natural looking. Heres the result of the above CT Scan, its still decent imo but not ideal:

He looks better from the front than the other angles, where the forward set ramus is obvious.


Im strongly considering doing a classic BSSO, then once its healed and my jaw is lengthened and at the perfect upright angle, then get a chin wing for extra masculinisation. Hopefully Andreischev will give me a discount for booking the 2 surgeries at the same time, despite having to operate 2 separate sessions.

 

[NarcyChadlite]

Thats right they can do the Chin Wing traditionally while moving the mouth forward with a higher cut, like this:
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The problem with this style is that the jaw doesn't increase in length (except the chin from genioplasty), and is also makes the ramus forward set which is not natural looking. Heres the result of the above CT Scan, its still decent imo but not ideal:

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He looks better from the front than the other angles, where the forward set ramus is obvious.


Im strongly considering doing a classic BSSO, then once its healed and my jaw is lengthened and at the perfect upright angle, then get a chin wing for extra masculinisation. Hopefully Andreischev will give me a discount for booking the 2 surgeries at the same time, despite having to operate 2 separate sessions.

Wise thoughtprocess tbh... reaping the benefits of both creating a long mandibular body as well as future gonial angle/ramus body. Max bone creation = worth the wait. If we assume that everything heals and bone fills the cuts and gaps, then a total lower3rdcel could get genio along with the regular bsso bimax and then once everything heals, theres even more possible chin projection with the ching wing afterwards.. but maybe thats wishful thinking and pushing it idk.

What i think id need to research now is the time it takes for the bone to fully remodel into the gaps (and how to accelerate it?) and also i was wondering if nose can be made to appear smaller from side profile view just through a lefort (seeing how the cut of the maxilla is usually at or above base of nasal opening). I mean like moving the nostrils edges forwards.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Wise thoughtprocess tbh... reaping the benefits of both creating a long mandibular body as well as future gonial angle/ramus body. Max bone creation = worth the wait. If we assume that everything heals and bone fills the cuts and gaps, then a total lower3rdcel could get genio along with the regular bsso bimax and then once everything heals, theres even more possible chin projection with the ching wing afterwards.. but maybe thats wishful thinking and pushing it idk.

What i think id need to research now is the time it takes for the bone to fully remodel into the gaps (and how to accelerate it?) and also i was wondering if nose can be made to appear smaller from side profile view just through a lefort (seeing how the cut of the maxilla is usually at or above base of nasal opening). I mean like moving the nostrils edges forwards.

The nostrils do come forward, look at the difference in the Russians dudes nose before/after

 

[NarcyChadlite]

The nostrils do come forward, look at the difference in the Russians dudes nose before/after

Yuup thats lifefuel tbh.. in my case i maybe have very minor recession and thought about jaw implants.. but because its just minor, osteotomies like bimax will give me all around benefits (breathing, midface enhancement etc)... thank god for this forum and knowledgable user like you brah...

will share anything interesting surgery related i come across with ya/ ask if i have any qs brudda

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Yuup thats lifefuel tbh.. in my case i maybe have very minor recession and thought about jaw implants.. but because its just minor, osteotomies like bimax will give me all around benefits (breathing, midface enhancement etc)... thank god for this forum and knowledgable user like you brah...

will share anything interesting surgery related i come across with ya/ ask if i have any qs brudda

Awesome, I'm happy to be of help.

Also PM me if you find out more info in regards to doing 2 stage BSSO then Chin Wing, the break needed between the surgeries for full bone healing.

 

[ArgentineOmicron]

I will consult with my orthodontist about what procedures are viable for me, provided that I have an overbite. I'm pretty sure that I can get free BSSO but I don't know about IMDO. Might get BSSO and then regular jaw implants.

You can get BSSO for free? Where do you live?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

You are going to fly back and forth?

My plans have changed, you can actually get chin wing at same time as BSSO in one surgery. It will be a semi chin wing not full, but I like the results a lot so I don't mind that. I'll post examples 1sec

 

[Deleted member 4797]

You are going to fly back and forth?

This is the mini Chin Wing

They can perform this at the same time as BSSO, and it looks great to me. Only the ramus gets left behind, but the most important part of the jaw aesthetically is the front mandible anyway.

Those results both were done with the mini Chin Wing cut at the same time as the BSSO, great results IMO, far superior to having genioplasty with BSSO.

And if your really bothered, you can always get some ramus angle implants afterwards, as much as I think jaw implants look fake, they can look aesthetic and natural when place on a well developed jaw and only augmenting the ramus instead of the front mandible, like this guy did:

But I wouldn't get the jaw angle as big as that even, just a subtle one for some width and down-drop of the ramus if I really needed it after a BSSO and Mini Chin Wing.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Mhmm

You see I want to increase my bigonial width by a good amount. A high BSSO and full chin wing may give me those results.

Ideally, an outcome which I’m not yet sure about is a Dal pont BSSO with a chin shield (Short Chin Wing). AKA what you want.

However, I need to get more info on how much I can increase my bigonial width and reach my desired results.

Plus I need to not forget about forward growth and which cut looks aesthetically the best. I have a lot to figure out.

I would like to avoid plastic for now.

'However, I need to get more info on how much I can increase my bigonial width and reach my desired results.'

How much you can increase your bigonial width doing what? High BSSO and full Chin Wing like this?

 

[curryslayerordeath]

This is the mini Chin Wing
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They can perform this at the same time as BSSO, and it looks great to me. Only the ramus gets left behind, but the most important part of the jaw aesthetically is the front mandible anyway.
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Those results both were done with the mini Chin Wing cut at the same time as the BSSO, great results IMO, far superior to having genioplasty with BSSO.

And if your really bothered, you can always get some ramus angle implants afterwards, as much as I think jaw implants look fake, they can look aesthetic and natural when place on a well developed jaw and only augmenting the ramus instead of the front mandible, like this guy did:

But I wouldn't get the jaw angle as big as that even, just a subtle one for some width and down-drop of the ramus if I really needed it after a BSSO and Mini Chin Wing.

is it possible to widen w the mini chin wing (at the same time as bsso)? or this only w a separate side wing

 

[Boldandbeautiful]

This is the mini Chin Wing
View attachment 643255
They can perform this at the same time as BSSO, and it looks great to me. Only the ramus gets left behind, but the most important part of the jaw aesthetically is the front mandible anyway.
View attachment 643262
View attachment 643263

Those results both were done with the mini Chin Wing cut at the same time as the BSSO, great results IMO, far superior to having genioplasty with BSSO.

And if your really bothered, you can always get some ramus angle implants afterwards, as much as I think jaw implants look fake, they can look aesthetic and natural when place on a well developed jaw and only augmenting the ramus instead of the front mandible, like this guy did:

But I wouldn't get the jaw angle as big as that even, just a subtle one for some width and down-drop of the ramus if I really needed it after a BSSO and Mini Chin Wing.

Thats a good result! Why do you think only the posterior mandible should be augmented? Have u seen this result by defranq, only did the back part, still looks like shit...idk, crazy.

 

[Boldandbeautiful]

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[Deleted member 4797]

is it possible to widen w the mini chin wing (at the same time as bsso)? or this only w a separate side wing

I haven't seen a result where they do a Mini Chin Wing + BSSO, and widen the bi-gonial distance at the same time. Also I'm not sure if they can widen the front mandible with the Mini Chin Wing + BSSO, or only bring it forward (which makes it appear wider anyway though).

Unfortunately there's not many results online of Mini Chin Wing + BSSO, those 2 posted are the only ones I could find. We have to ask Maxfac Surgeons these questions tbh.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

I haven't seen a result where they do a Mini Chin Wing + BSSO, and widen the bi-gonial distance at the same time. Also I'm not sure if they can widen the front mandible with the Mini Chin Wing + BSSO, or only bring it forward (which makes it appear wider anyway though).

Unfortunately there's not many results online of Mini Chin Wing + BSSO, those 2 posted are the only ones I could find. We have to ask Maxfac Surgeons these questions tbh.

ah ye makes sense. i will ask if theres any other way to do so simultaneously, but lmk if u find out more.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Thats a good result! Why do you think only the posterior mandible should be augmented? Have u seen this result by defranq, only did the back part, still looks like shit...idk, crazy.View attachment 643340

It looks shit to me cus its disproportionate to the front.

But when you augment the front with implants, it usually looks too thick and unnatural, because the implants wrap around underneath the jaw and make the rounding edge underneath the jaw thicker, but natural bone is thin and sharp - not bloated.

However at the back of the jaw in the ramus area, the natural jaws on masculine men become thicker here anyway (evolved for higher punch resistance), so implants can mimic natural bone more effectively at the back, so long as its proportionate to the front mandible.

 

[Boldandbeautiful]

It looks shit to me cus its disproportionate to the front.

But when you augment the front with implants, it usually looks too thick and unnatural, because the implants wrap around underneath the jaw and make the rounding edge underneath the jaw thicker, but natural bone is thin and sharp - not bloated.

However at the back of the jaw in the ramus area, the natural jaws on masculine men become thicker here anyway (evolved for higher punch resistance), so implants can mimic natural bone more effectively at the back, so long as its proportionate to the front mandible.

Mogger iq

 

[Deleted member 6873]

This is the mini Chin Wing
View attachment 643255
They can perform this at the same time as BSSO, and it looks great to me. Only the ramus gets left behind, but the most important part of the jaw aesthetically is the front mandible anyway.
View attachment 643262
View attachment 643263

Those results both were done with the mini Chin Wing cut at the same time as the BSSO, great results IMO, far superior to having genioplasty with BSSO.

And if your really bothered, you can always get some ramus angle implants afterwards, as much as I think jaw implants look fake, they can look aesthetic and natural when place on a well developed jaw and only augmenting the ramus instead of the front mandible, like this guy did:

But I wouldn't get the jaw angle as big as that even, just a subtle one for some width and down-drop of the ramus if I really needed it after a BSSO and Mini Chin Wing.

bit offtopic question but.

what if i have a slight overbite, that it's not that noticable (not like a typical extreme overbite) but still maks my jaw look a bit off.

Could i just get a chin wing instead of bsso?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

bit offtopic question but.

what if i have a slight overbite, that it's not that noticable (not like a typical extreme overbite) but still maks my jaw look a bit off.

Could i just get a chin wing instead of bsso?

I would imagine that it would help and be a decent improvement, but not be an ideal result as BSSO. Send me private pics if you like, I've done it for many guys and the pics always remain private.

 

[Deleted member 6873]

I would imagine that it would help and be a decent improvement, but not be an ideal result as BSSO. Send me private pics if you like, I've done it for many guys and the pics always remain private.

will do lad

 

[Deleted member 4430]

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Morph gif, showing if he got Mini Chin Wing (like @TheLordMadness did with the same surgeon) rather than Sliding Genioplasty

 

[Boldandbeautiful]

Z chinwing/bimax result