You don't approach surgery with scarcity mindset

[Jason Voorhees]

I see too many 14-16 year olds thinking they should get surgery the second that you can save up some scrape together enough money, opting for the cheapest surgeon available.. Doesn't work like that and that's a terrible way to approach it. Surgery is a one time things. One and done you only get a single shot so make sure it is the best shot you have. Get second opinions, get as informed as you can. Like my dad would say An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.


You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

I technically could go ahead with the surgery right now, but I'm deliberately holding back. Money isn't the main issue it's more about the logistics and the social aspect of it as an adult who isn't a social recluse and has responsibilities over his head. I don't know how I will be able to explain any of this to my parents, my friend. It's not like I can just disappear for two months without anyone noticing recovery time alone requires serious planning. Not to mention you need to mentally prepare yourself for all this. It isn't easy. It's not uncommon for patients to end up in depression and end up with the real BPD the kind that makes you want to harm yourselfm


That's why I'm taking this process seriously. Getting multiple consultations, gathering second opinions, reading research papers, and speaking directly with experienced surgeons to understand the risks, expected outcomes, and best possible approach. This isn't something to rush into it's a major decision that changes your body, health, and lifestyle long term. You need to plan and play your cards properly. This is non-negotiable. Just do yourself a favour and don't get surgery if you are not willing to put in the due diligence. You are just doing mental mastrubation at that point.

 

[Deleted member 149354]

Tbh if i got botched i would give up on bp

 

[160cmcurry]

yep, all this mental masturbation over surgery, yet people never factor in what you really need to know, the exact surgical alignment you’re going for, the specific technique, whether it even matches your facial structure, the surgeon’s skill and reputation, the pricing too especially

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@BeanCelll @Chadeep @Jatt @CorinthianLOX @VV62

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Water

 

[Jatt]

I see too many 14-16 year olds thinking they should get surgery the second that you can save up some scrape together enough money, opting for the cheapest surgeon available.. Doesn't work like that and that's a terrible way to approach it. Surgery is a one time things. One and done you only get a single shot so make sure it is the best shot you have. Get second opinions, get as informed as you can. Like my dad would say An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.


You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

I technically could go ahead with the surgery right now, but I'm deliberately holding back. Money isn't the main issue it's more about the logistics and the social aspect of it as an adult who isn't a social recluse and responsibilities over his head. I don't know how I will be able to explain any of this to my parents, my friend. It's not like I can just disappear for two months without anyone noticing recovery time alone requires serious planning. Not to mention you need to mentally prepare yourself for all this. It isn't easy. It's not uncommon for patients to end up in depression and real the BPD the kind that makes you want to harm yourselfm


That's why I'm taking this process seriously. Getting multiple consultations, gathering second opinions, reading research papers, and speaking directly with experienced surgeons to understand the risks, expected outcomes, and best possible approach. This isn't something to rush into it's a major decision that changes your body, health, and lifestyle long term. You need to plan and play your cards properly. This is non-negotiable. Just do yourself a favour and don't get surgery if you are not willing to put in the due diligence. You are just doing mental mastrubation at that point.

I definitely need rhino

Consultation on the 8th sep

Bit I won’t rush into it I’ll see my options

 

[BeanCelll]

opting for the cheapest surgeon available

Only "cheap" option I'd recommend is korea but even then they up the price for foreigners and tend to give less of a shit about foreign patients

Turkey has promise especially with giant as an up and comer that might chance the scene if he chadifies clav.

This thead should be both material tbh especially for young niggas who are looking to hardmaxx blindly everything you listed is a valid concern that will cuck you if you aren't aware of it.

 

[Deleted member 149354]

cheapest surgeon available

I'm not doing anything unless it's covered by insurance, since I do qualify to get my overbite fixed for free it just sounds shady to get it done through insurance, like for example getting cucked by insurance for them opting for the cheapest option. I haven't done much research on it but do they tend to do that?

 

[Acquiescence]

You’re correct and I myself am doing the same as best I can, but simultaneously this is why it’s over for the vast majority if you need surgery

 

[greycel]

Agreed. Also, what surgeries are on your to-do list?

 

[slaters]

Should be water

 

[slaters]

That’s kinda why I feel the worst for manlets because if you’re ugly you can cope with body and maybe fraud some parts of your face while you figure out a plan but I’d find it hard to keep going if I was like 5’6
LL being probably the most expensive surgery along with downtime of struggling to use your legs

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Agreed. Also, what surgeries are on your to-do list?

Rhinoplasty and Jaw implants

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Bump

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@luca_.

 

[Luca_.]

I see too many 14-16 year olds thinking they should get surgery the second that you can save up some scrape together enough money, opting for the cheapest surgeon available.. Doesn't work like that and that's a terrible way to approach it. Surgery is a one time things. One and done you only get a single shot so make sure it is the best shot you have. Get second opinions, get as informed as you can. Like my dad would say An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.


You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

I technically could go ahead with the surgery right now, but I'm deliberately holding back. Money isn't the main issue it's more about the logistics and the social aspect of it as an adult who isn't a social recluse and has responsibilities over his head. I don't know how I will be able to explain any of this to my parents, my friend. It's not like I can just disappear for two months without anyone noticing recovery time alone requires serious planning. Not to mention you need to mentally prepare yourself for all this. It isn't easy. It's not uncommon for patients to end up in depression and end up with the real BPD the kind that makes you want to harm yourselfm


That's why I'm taking this process seriously. Getting multiple consultations, gathering second opinions, reading research papers, and speaking directly with experienced surgeons to understand the risks, expected outcomes, and best possible approach. This isn't something to rush into it's a major decision that changes your body, health, and lifestyle long term. You need to plan and play your cards properly. This is non-negotiable. Just do yourself a favour and don't get surgery if you are not willing to put in the due diligence. You are just doing mental mastrubation at that point.

True id rather have a surgery with a good surgeon at 23 than to have the cheapest Balkanic surgery at 18. You’ve lived 18 years with your face you can live 5 more knowing you will get the desired results

 

[Foreverbrad]

You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

If you don’t get surgery ASAP your whole life will be fucked because other guys are having exponential compounding success from their opportunities while every door is closed to your ugly face. Once you fall behind by a certain amount like I did, no amount of grind will ever catch you back up.

I am not saying get surgery in India, but turkey is probably fine and debtmaxxing to afford the surgery is efficient. You can’t be risk averse when you have nothing to lose, it’s pointless.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Bump

 

[Deleted member 44222]

Surgery is mostly for truecels with nothing to lose

 

[AustrianMogger]

I see too many 14-16 year olds thinking they should get surgery the second that you can save up some scrape together enough money, opting for the cheapest surgeon available.. Doesn't work like that and that's a terrible way to approach it. Surgery is a one time things. One and done you only get a single shot so make sure it is the best shot you have. Get second opinions, get as informed as you can. Like my dad would say An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.


You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

I technically could go ahead with the surgery right now, but I'm deliberately holding back. Money isn't the main issue it's more about the logistics and the social aspect of it as an adult who isn't a social recluse and has responsibilities over his head. I don't know how I will be able to explain any of this to my parents, my friend. It's not like I can just disappear for two months without anyone noticing recovery time alone requires serious planning. Not to mention you need to mentally prepare yourself for all this. It isn't easy. It's not uncommon for patients to end up in depression and end up with the real BPD the kind that makes you want to harm yourselfm


That's why I'm taking this process seriously. Getting multiple consultations, gathering second opinions, reading research papers, and speaking directly with experienced surgeons to understand the risks, expected outcomes, and best possible approach. This isn't something to rush into it's a major decision that changes your body, health, and lifestyle long term. You need to plan and play your cards properly. This is non-negotiable. Just do yourself a favour and don't get surgery if you are not willing to put in the due diligence. You are just doing mental mastrubation at that point.

I say yolo

 

[ltn_looksminner]

If you don’t get surgery ASAP your whole life will be fucked because other guys are having exponential compounding success from their opportunities while every door is closed to your ugly face. Once you fall behind by a certain amount like I did, no amount of grind will ever catch you back up.

I am not saying get surgery in India, but turkey is probably fine and debtmaxxing to afford the surgery is efficient. You can’t be risk averse when you have nothing to lose, it’s pointless.

high iq

 

[optimisticzoomer]

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Rhinoplasty and Jaw implants

all of that high iq talk just to get jaw implants brah

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Turkey has promise especially with giant as an up and comer that might chance the scene if he chadifies clav.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

If you don’t get surgery ASAP your whole life will be fucked because other guys are having exponential compounding success from their opportunities while every door is closed to your ugly face. Once you fall behind by a certain amount like I did, no amount of grind will ever catch you back up.

I am not saying get surgery in India, but turkey is probably fine and debtmaxxing to afford the surgery is efficient. You can’t be risk averse when you have nothing to lose, it’s pointless.

-normal looking guy

 

[Debetro]

yep, all this mental masturbation over surgery, yet people never factor in what you really need to know, the exact surgical alignment you’re going for, the specific technique, whether it even matches your facial structure, the surgeon’s skill and reputation, the pricing too especially

Might as well give up.

 

[Foreverbrad]

-normal looking guy

With bimaxillary retrusion and deep bite, nah.
Life literally only began for me when I could grow a full enough beard to hide it. May not even be an option for many people.

But yeah, my post is wrong - if you don’t get reverse pull headgear before your jaws are fused in the wrong position, you’re fucked! So there’s nothing you can do, it’s all down to your parents being blackpilled before you even know what a blackpill is.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Might as well give up.

people are either overcomplicating or or underestimating it

 

[Debetro]

What surgeries do you need?

 

[darktriadbeancel]

I'm not doing anything unless it's covered by insurance, since I do qualify to get my overbite fixed for free it just sounds shady to get it done through insurance, like for example getting cucked by insurance for them opting for the cheapest option. I haven't done much research on it but do they tend to do that?

This is exactly what's torturing my brain rn. Trusting a public surgeon - Paying less OR Going to private mogger surgeon with custom everything but sell your left liver lol

 

[Deleted member 149354]

This is exactly what's torturing my brain rn. Trusting a public surgeon - Paying less OR Going to private mogger surgeon with custom everything but sell your left liver lol

just have to talk to them if you hear somthing you don't like speak on it

 

[Sprinkles]

I see too many 14-16 year olds thinking they should get surgery the second that you can save up some scrape together enough money, opting for the cheapest surgeon available.. Doesn't work like that and that's a terrible way to approach it. Surgery is a one time things. One and done you only get a single shot so make sure it is the best shot you have. Get second opinions, get as informed as you can. Like my dad would say An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.


You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

I technically could go ahead with the surgery right now, but I'm deliberately holding back. Money isn't the main issue it's more about the logistics and the social aspect of it as an adult who isn't a social recluse and has responsibilities over his head. I don't know how I will be able to explain any of this to my parents, my friend. It's not like I can just disappear for two months without anyone noticing recovery time alone requires serious planning. Not to mention you need to mentally prepare yourself for all this. It isn't easy. It's not uncommon for patients to end up in depression and end up with the real BPD the kind that makes you want to harm yourselfm


That's why I'm taking this process seriously. Getting multiple consultations, gathering second opinions, reading research papers, and speaking directly with experienced surgeons to understand the risks, expected outcomes, and best possible approach. This isn't something to rush into it's a major decision that changes your body, health, and lifestyle long term. You need to plan and play your cards properly. This is non-negotiable. Just do yourself a favour and don't get surgery if you are not willing to put in the due diligence. You are just doing mental mastrubation at that point.

Read every molecule

High IQ

 

[Napoleon1800]

If you don’t get surgery ASAP your whole life will be fucked because other guys are having exponential compounding success from their opportunities while every door is closed to your ugly face. Once you fall behind by a certain amount like I did, no amount of grind will ever catch you back up.

I am not saying get surgery in India, but turkey is probably fine and debtmaxxing to afford the surgery is efficient. You can’t be risk averse when you have nothing to lose, it’s pointless.

One of the most high iq takes I’ve seen on this forum

 

[chadintraining]

If you don’t get surgery ASAP your whole life will be fucked because other guys are having exponential compounding success from their opportunities while every door is closed to your ugly face. Once you fall behind by a certain amount like I did, no amount of grind will ever catch you back up.

I am not saying get surgery in India, but turkey is probably fine and debtmaxxing to afford the surgery is efficient. You can’t be risk averse when you have nothing to lose, it’s pointless.

This is why I believe fillers are a good temporary solution for younger guys until they can afford the real surgeries

Other frauds can also be quite beneficial (jutting if you have sfs/recession, etc..)

 

[Foreverbrad]

This is why I believe fillers are a good temporary solution for younger guys until they can afford the real surgeries

Other frauds can also be quite beneficial (jutting if you have sfs/recession, etc..)

It depends on what surgery you need as to whether fillers can be applicable as a temporary substitute…

Fillers are very applicable to:
Jaw implants
Chin implants
Genio

Somewhat applicable to:
Rhinoplasty
Infra implants without saddle (you can’t create saddle from goo)
Upper eyelid fat grafting

Not applicable to:
Bimax
OBO
Forehead or brow ridge “supra” implants
Leg lengthening (obviously, just included due to popularity).

Jutting is great but as soon as you speak - or forget to do it - your jaws go back into their recessed position and everyone sees how subhuman it is. It’s borderline useless in real life but good for photos. Same for squinting and mewing.

Personally I chose not to use fillers as a temporary substitute although I did consider it. It creates a headache around CT scans and pre surgical planning to have fillers in place and my “braces” period is roughly equal to the time I spend saving for bimax (debtmaxxing with 0% credit of course) anyway.

 

[chadintraining]

It depends on what surgery you need as to whether fillers can be applicable as a temporary substitute…

Fillers are very applicable to:
Jaw implants
Chin implants
Genio

Somewhat applicable to:
Rhinoplasty
Infra implants without saddle (you can’t create saddle from goo)
Upper eyelid fat grafting

Not applicable to:
Bimax
OBO
Forehead or brow ridge “supra” implants
Leg lengthening (obviously, just included due to popularity).

Jutting is great but as soon as you speak - or forget to do it - your jaws go back into their recessed position and everyone sees how subhuman it is. It’s borderline useless in real life but good for photos. Same for squinting and mewing.

Personally I chose not to use fillers as a temporary substitute although I did consider it. It creates a headache around CT scans and pre surgical planning to have fillers in place and my “braces” period is roughly equal to the time I spend saving for bimax (debtmaxxing with 0% credit of course) anyway.

Yup, it is highly dependent on what your base is, luckily, I am one who could easily ascend with just some fillers + genio so I can cope with this

Jutting in my case has been very beneficial, but took a lot of practice so I can talk and eat while appearing normal

 

[decadouche57]

You

I see too many 14-16 year olds thinking they should get surgery the second that you can save up some scrape together enough money, opting for the cheapest surgeon available.. Doesn't work like that and that's a terrible way to approach it. Surgery is a one time things. One and done you only get a single shot so make sure it is the best shot you have. Get second opinions, get as informed as you can. Like my dad would say An investment in knowledge pays the best interest.


You do not approach with a rushed scarcity mindset. You get surgery when you can comfortably cover the cost and the follow ups, recovery and in case a botch happens that surgery also. But muh bro I'm feeling suicidal and feel like killing myself living in this body. I need surgery rn. No you don't and you are going to feel 10x more suicidal with deep BPD if you don't get the desired outcomes.. this is how someone High IQ approaches surgery.

I technically could go ahead with the surgery right now, but I'm deliberately holding back. Money isn't the main issue it's more about the logistics and the social aspect of it as an adult who isn't a social recluse and has responsibilities over his head. I don't know how I will be able to explain any of this to my parents, my friend. It's not like I can just disappear for two months without anyone noticing recovery time alone requires serious planning. Not to mention you need to mentally prepare yourself for all this. It isn't easy. It's not uncommon for patients to end up in depression and end up with the real BPD the kind that makes you want to harm yourselfm


That's why I'm taking this process seriously. Getting multiple consultations, gathering second opinions, reading research papers, and speaking directly with experienced surgeons to understand the risks, expected outcomes, and best possible approach. This isn't something to rush into it's a major decision that changes your body, health, and lifestyle long term. You need to plan and play your cards properly. This is non-negotiable. Just do yourself a favour and don't get surgery if you are not willing to put in the due diligence. You are just doing mental mastrubation at that point.

Your the kinda guy that posts here for 10 years without ever doing roids or getting surgeries bc your scared of risks. Very low T

 

[maxilla-not-found]

With bimaxillary retrusion and deep bite, nah.
Life literally only began for me when I could grow a full enough beard to hide it. May not even be an option for many people.

But yeah, my post is wrong - if you don’t get reverse pull headgear before your jaws are fused in the wrong position, you’re fucked! So there’s nothing you can do, it’s all down to your parents being blackpilled before you even know what a blackpill is.

where did you get your scans from? i’m sure i’ve got bimaxillary retrusion, deepbite, sfs and midface hypoplasia