You don't need roids if you have normal genes

[sonar bugnar]

99.9% of girls find guys with lean muscular natty physiques hot. There's no need to drop below 10%-12% body fat, and there's no need to be a mass monster. With that said, you still need the combination of good genes and consistency to achieve such a physique. Roid use usually means one or two of three things:
1. You can't build an aesthetic physique naturally which indicates inferior genetics
2. You're trying to be a mass monster which is mostly for male gaze
3. You're trying to be outrageously strong which isn't necessary irl. No important daily tasks will require you to have roid tier strength

To the young dudes reading this, please be patient with natural bodybuilding. It can take 5-7 years to reach your peak natty potential. Many kids are out here jumping the gun and hopping on gear after just 1 year of training and minimal results. My nigga, it's completely normal and expected to not see a ton of change in just one year of lifting. If you can hang in there for just a few more years, you'll be very happy with the way you look, and the best part is you won't have to risk your health and waste thousands of dollars.

Roids age you quicker by nuking your collagen and causing hair loss. They can cause gyno and shrink your balls. They decrease your fertility. They're known to cause high blood pressure and anger issues. I can go on and on. The risk to reward is not worth it, and if you have normal muscle building genes then hopping on gear would be the most retarded decision.

 

[160cmcurry]

 

[Orc]

why would I care what women find attractive, I just want to not hate myself in the mirror.

 

[anthony111553]

why would I care what women find attractive, I just want to not hate myself in the mirror.

luckily your an ethnical natty

 

[Neucher]

Roids age you quicker by nuking your collagen and causing hair loss. They can cause gyno and shrink your balls. They decrease your fertility. They're known to cause high blood pressure and anger issues. I can go on and on. The risk to reward is not worth it, and if you have normal muscle building genes then hopping on gear would be the most retarded decision.

All sides are fixable with the right prescription meds.

 

[Orc]

luckily your an ethnical natty

I'm kind of like a ford ka, the only part about me that isn't made out of plastic is the fuel.

 

[sonar bugnar]

why would I care what women find attractive, I just want to not hate myself in the mirror.

the reason most guys are on this site is because they're trying to be more attractive to women, let's be honest

 

[Orc]

the reason most guys are on this site is because they're trying to be more attractive to women, let's be honest

imagine doing anything for women lmao.

 

[anthony111553]

imagine doing anything for women lmao.

agreed lets kill them

 

[Orc]

agreed lets kill them

trenbolone in the water supply will fix them.

 

[sonar bugnar]

All sides are fixable with the right prescription meds.

Those prescription meds have side effects themselves lmao, and why go through that headache anyway. Just stay natty and you can have a high quality of life in all aspects

 

[dnrwarrior11]

taking roids is fun tho when done safely and correctly

great progress in the gym, feel amazing

obviously there are side effects but they can be minimized and managed

 

[sonar bugnar]

taking roids is fun tho when done safely and correctly

great progress in the gym, feel amazing

obviously there are side effects but they can be minimized and managed

All the progress you need to make for a high quality of life inside and outside of the gym can be made naturally unless you have bad genes. It just may take a bit longer.

They're drugs at the end of the day. There's no "safe" way to go about them. That's cope.

 

[sonar bugnar]

This is what women want:

Not this:

 

[They_are_all_whores]

99.9% of girls find guys with lean muscular natty physiques hot. There's no need to drop below 10%-12% body fat, and there's no need to be a mass monster. With that said, you still need the combination of good genes and consistency to achieve such a physique. Roid use usually means one or two of three things:
1. You can't build an aesthetic physique naturally which indicates inferior genetics
2. You're trying to be a mass monster which is mostly for male gaze
3. You're trying to be outrageously strong which isn't necessary irl. No important daily tasks will require you to have roid tier strength

To the young dudes reading this, please be patient with natural bodybuilding. It can take 5-7 years to reach your peak natty potential. Many kids are out here jumping the gun and hopping on gear after just 1 year of training and minimal results. My nigga, it's completely normal and expected to not see a ton of change in just one year of lifting. If you can hang in there for just a few more years, you'll be very happy with the way you look, and the best part is you won't have to risk your health and waste thousands of dollars.

Roids age you quicker by nuking your collagen and causing hair loss. They can cause gyno and shrink your balls. They decrease your fertility. They're known to cause high blood pressure and anger issues. I can go on and on. The risk to reward is not worth it, and if you have normal muscle building genes then hopping on gear would be the most retarded decision.

A lot of guys here riod for bonemass not muscle mass during puberty

 

[dnrwarrior11]

They're drugs at the end of the day. There's no "safe" way to go about them. That's cope.

oh well, just gonna continue making my gains on my low dose test cycle

 

[Davidproton]

99.9% of girls find guys with lean muscular natty physiques hot. There's no need to drop below 10%-12% body fat, and there's no need to be a mass monster. With that said, you still need the combination of good genes and consistency to achieve such a physique. Roid use usually means one or two of three things:
1. You can't build an aesthetic physique naturally which indicates inferior genetics
2. You're trying to be a mass monster which is mostly for male gaze
3. You're trying to be outrageously strong which isn't necessary irl. No important daily tasks will require you to have roid tier strength

To the young dudes reading this, please be patient with natural bodybuilding. It can take 5-7 years to reach your peak natty potential. Many kids are out here jumping the gun and hopping on gear after just 1 year of training and minimal results. My nigga, it's completely normal and expected to not see a ton of change in just one year of lifting. If you can hang in there for just a few more years, you'll be very happy with the way you look, and the best part is

99.9% of girls find guys with lean muscular natty physiques hot. There's no need to drop below 10%-12% body fat, and there's no need to be a mass monster. With that said, you still need the combination of good genes and consistency to achieve such a physique. Roid use usually means one or two of three things:
1. You can't build an aesthetic physique naturally which indicates inferior genetics
2. You're trying to be a mass monster which is mostly for male gaze
3. You're trying to be outrageously strong which isn't necessary irl. No important daily tasks will require you to have roid tier strength

To the young dudes reading this, please be patient with natural bodybuilding. It can take 5-7 years to reach your peak natty potential. Many kids are out here jumping the gun and hopping on gear after just 1 year of training and minimal results. My nigga, it's completely normal and expected to not see a ton of change in just one year of lifting. If you can hang in there for just a few more years, you'll be very happy with the way you look, and the best part is you won't have to risk your health and waste thousands of dollars.

Roids age you quicker by nuking your collagen and causing hair loss. They can cause gyno and shrink your balls. They decrease your fertility. They're known to cause high blood pressure and anger issues. I can go on and on. The risk to reward is not worth it, and if you have normal muscle building genes then hopping on gear would be the most retarded decision.

you won't have to risk your health and waste thousands of dollars.

Roids age you quicker by nuking your collagen and causing hair loss. They can cause gyno and shrink your balls. They decrease your fertility. They're known to cause high blood pressure and anger issues. I can go on and on. The risk to reward is not worth it, and if you have normal muscle building genes then hopping on gear would be the most retarded decision.

Sorry I can't wait 5 years bhai

 

[sonar bugnar]

Sorry I can't wait 5 years bhai

Are u indian "bhai"? It was over before it began and muscles won't change a thing

 

[sonar bugnar]

oh well, just gonna continue making my gains on my low dose test cycle

to achieve the same physique and strength that guys with good genetics can achieve naturally without all the side effects

 

[dnrwarrior11]

to achieve the same physique and strength that guys with good genetics can achieve naturally without all the side effects

meh idrc as long as I get there what does it matter if the side effects are managed?

 

[sonar bugnar]

meh idrc as long as I get there what does it matter if the side effects are managed?

When you take test, your body stops producing its own because it detects an excess. This can lead to long-term dependence, meaning if you ever come off test, your natural test production would likely be permanently impaired.

oh well, just gonna continue making my gains on my low dose test cycle

And the thing about test is it's not a "cycle", it's a lifelong commitment. Like I previously said, hopping off would stop your natural test production which is dangerous and can seriously worsen your quality of life. It's a shortcut with long-term consequences.

You have to take weekly injections for life. Is that really worth it just to look a little bigger? You'll be stuck to doctors and prescriptions forever. What if test becomes harder to get or more expensive? You'll be stuck.

It's extremely simple to get jacked naturally. Just lift consistently, optimize your nutrition, and get good sleep. Do that for a few years. In reality, the results you'll get on test are probably only 10% more than what you could've achieved naturally. That's a pretty bad risk to reward.

 

[dnrwarrior11]

When you take test, your body stops producing its own because it detects an excess. This can lead to long-term dependence, meaning if you ever come off test, your natural test production would likely be permanently impaired.

thats why theres post cycle therapy after a cycle

 

[Foreverbrad]

When you take test, your body stops producing its own because it detects an excess. This can lead to long-term dependence, meaning if you ever come off test, your natural test production would likely be permanently impaired.


And the thing about test is it's not a "cycle", it's a lifelong commitment. Like I previously said, hopping off would stop your natural test production which is dangerous and can seriously worsen your quality of life. It's a shortcut with long-term consequences.

You have to take weekly injections for life. Is that really worth it just to look a little bigger? You'll be stuck to doctors and prescriptions forever. What if test becomes harder to get or more expensive? You'll be stuck.

It's extremely simple to get jacked naturally. Just lift consistently, optimize your nutrition, and get good sleep. Do that for a few years. In reality, the results you'll get on test are probably only 10% more than what you could've achieved naturally. That's a pretty bad risk to reward.

As someone who takes test, it all comes down to individual response. For me it’s a very easy decision as I get no sides and am able to hold easily 50% more muscle mass than I did natty on just a 500mg of TEST U every two weeks. But I have terrible genes and 280ng/dl natty test.

I definitely agree with the idea that it’s not worth it as a shortcut to a level you could achieve natty though.

 

[2marc1]

99.9% of girls find guys with lean muscular natty physiques hot. There's no need to drop below 10%-12% body fat, and there's no need to be a mass monster. With that said, you still need the combination of good genes and consistency to achieve such a physique. Roid use usually means one or two of three things:
1. You can't build an aesthetic physique naturally which indicates inferior genetics
2. You're trying to be a mass monster which is mostly for male gaze
3. You're trying to be outrageously strong which isn't necessary irl. No important daily tasks will require you to have roid tier strength

To the young dudes reading this, please be patient with natural bodybuilding. It can take 5-7 years to reach your peak natty potential. Many kids are out here jumping the gun and hopping on gear after just 1 year of training and minimal results. My nigga, it's completely normal and expected to not see a ton of change in just one year of lifting. If you can hang in there for just a few more years, you'll be very happy with the way you look, and the best part is you won't have to risk your health and waste thousands of dollars.

Roids age you quicker by nuking your collagen and causing hair loss. They can cause gyno and shrink your balls. They decrease your fertility. They're known to cause high blood pressure and anger issues. I can go on and on. The risk to reward is not worth it, and if you have normal muscle building genes then hopping on gear would be the most retarded decision.

fakehope for everyone, just do steroids already

 

[2marc1]

This is what women want:
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Not this:
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hahah sam sulek and other roided guy are probably injecting grams of steroids, and they have 0.1% genes (atleast sam), you'll probably wont be them even with any steroids in the world RETARD

 

[looksmaxxed]

you need roids because the environment is estrogenic and you are not being paid to run around and hunt, you are paid to sit in a cubicle and atrophy.

it's impossible to be think, look, or behave like a man in 2025 without steroids and gym.

 

[sonar bugnar]

fakehope for everyone, just do steroids already

Have you ever even seen a peak natty physique? Cuz if you have I guarantee you'd agree it's better to spend a few years working up to that point rather than roiding and prematurely aging yourself and taking years off your life, decreasing your fertility, causing high blood pressure, etc.

Hexum's physique was not too far from peak natty at maybe 12% body fat in this pic and he had all the women wetting themselves in the 80s when he was alive

 

[2marc1]

Have you ever even seen a peak natty physique? Cuz if you have I guarantee you'd agree it's better to spend a few years working up to that point rather than roiding and prematurely aging yourself and taking years off your life, decreasing your fertility, causing high blood pressure, etc.

Hexum's physique was not too far from peak natty at maybe 12% body fat in this pic and he had all the women wetting themselves in the 80s when he was alive
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guess what, hexum is chad, we arent

 

[sonar bugnar]

hahah sam sulek and other roided guy are probably injecting grams of steroids, and they have 0.1% genes (atleast sam), you'll probably wont be them even with any steroids in the world RETARD

I don't even wanna look like them you retard, nor do women want guys to look like that. I can tell you're missing the entire point of this thread

 

[2marc1]

I don't even wanna look like them you retard, nor do women want guys to look like that. I can tell you're missing the entire point of this thread

how do you even know what woman wants......

 

[sonar bugnar]

guess what, hexum is chad, we arent

His face is chad, his body is VERY naturally attainable if you have normal genes and are 6'1 like him and myself. If you don't think his physique is naturally attainable then it's so over for your subhuman dogshit genetics

 

[2marc1]

His face is chad, his body is VERY naturally attainable if you have normal genes and are 6'1 like him and myself. If you don't think his physique is naturally attainable then it's so over for your subhuman dogshit genetics

browhat, what i meant that he is chad, his physique will look good if he was skinny or not

 

[sonar bugnar]

how do you even know what woman wants......

Inb4 "mUh iMaGiNe BeLiEvInG wHaT WoMeN sAy"
Yeah yeah nigger I've heard every cope in the book. Women find lean muscular natty athletic guys the hottest and EVERYONE knows this, even the normies.

 

[2marc1]

Inb4 "mUh iMaGiNe BeLiEvInG wHaT WoMeN sAy"
Yeah yeah nigger I've heard every cope in the book. Women find lean muscular natty athletic guys the hottest and EVERYONE knows this, even the normies.

bro... do you really think if someone takes steroids they will literally be prime cbum or what
weird ass nigga....

 

[sonar bugnar]

bro... do you really think if someone takes steroids they will literally be prime cbum or what
weird ass nigga....

No. You believe guys should do steroids. I'm saying they don't need it unless they're genetic failures. ALL of the guys picked in those vids have naturally attainable physiques with normal genes.

 

[superpsycho]

why would I care what women find attractive, I just want to not hate myself in the mirror.

 

[2marc1]

No. You believe guys should do steroids. I'm saying they don't need it unless they're genetic failures. ALL of the guys picked in those vids have naturally attainable physiques with normal genes.

yeah but ngl i want the physique now

 

[sonar bugnar]

you need roids because the environment is estrogenic and you are not being paid to run around and hunt, you are paid to sit in a cubicle and atrophy.

it's impossible to be think, look, or behave like a man in 2025 without steroids and gym.

Nigger has never heard of physical work/jobs before. No one's forcing you to be glued to a desk behind a computer screen all day.

Besides, if you have good genes, even office workers can maintain good physiques. I'm in an office for 8 hours a day 5 days a week and it's so easy to maintain 195-200lbs 12% body fat at 6'1 completely naturally with just a couple hours in the gym a few days a week, combined with optimal diet and sleep.

"you need roids" just stfu and keep being a slave to your drugs while the natty guys actually get ahead in life and get all the girls

 

[sonar bugnar]

browhat, what i meant that he is chad, his physique will look good if he was skinny or not

High t hunk vs anorexic auschwitz survivor