You're low IQ if...

[Klasik616]

You think a surgery will change your life...
Keep dreaming, things happen there not IRL.
A surgery won't change your life in the slightest.
You won't get money, girlfriend or friends after getting a surgery, sorry bud it is what it is.

 

[RICHCELDOM]

You think a surgery will change your life...
Keep dreaming, things happen there not IRL.
A surgery won't change your life in the slightest.
You won't get money, girlfriend or friends after getting a surgery.

Nah it can . It just depends if the surgery is rly correcting a real problem and if it will actually correct it:

 

[iblameCopecels]

If you are you are subhuman Yes

Buy Even at LTN surgery ascends you Hard

 

[Klasik616]

If you are you are subhuman Yes

Buy Even at LTN surgery ascends you Hard

ltn to mtn has no difference you won't get girls

Nah it can . It just depends if the surgery is rly correcting a real problem and if it will actually correct it:

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Most people don't have the potential to increase their SMV like this. Getting a girlfriend after a surgery like this is matter of luck, there's no guarantee some foid will actually want to be with him just because he looks like that.

 

[RICHCELDOM]

View attachment 3764339ltn to mtn has no difference you won't get girls

Most people don't have the potential to increase their SMV like this. Getting a girlfriend after a surgery like this is matter of luck.

Trying is good for the mind

 

[iblameCopecels]

View attachment 3764339ltn to mtn has no difference you won't get girls

Most people don't have the potential to increase their SMV like this. Getting a girlfriend after a surgery like this is matter of luck, there's no guarantee some foid will actually want to be with him just because he looks like that.

Ltn to MTN is no difference

 

[Saint Casanova]

We should all listen to your insights. Definitely!

 

[Klasik616]

Even slayers can only increase bodycounts they cant get girlfriends or marry women this is the final blackpill you can't escape your faith. You're trying to cheat on life haha God says no, brutal.

 

[greycel]

As BGM once said it’s less about doing a lot in 1 surgery
It’s doing many small surgeries that add up

 

[Klasik616]

Ltn to MTN is no difference

No difference in SMV, if you think MTNs don't struggle in 2025.

 

[anthony111553]

As BGM once said it’s less about doing a lot in 1 surgery
It’s doing many small surgeries that add up

bgm needs nigga surgery

 

[duplybones]

Mtns think surgery can ascend them while having an average face but realistically it would Just make them look weird

 

[anthony111553]

Mtns think surgery can ascend them while having an average face but realistically it would Just make them look weird

cope

 

[Beanermaxxer]

Surgery doesn’t hand you a life, it removes the genetic handicap that kept people from taking you seriously in the first place. Fixing craniofacial asymmetry, underprojection, or disharmony literally rewires social feedback loops. Better responses, more access, less resistance. If you think it doesn’t matter, congrats: you’ve never been good-looking enough to know the difference

 

[Klasik616]

Trying is good for the mind

Trying only got me rejected by women

 

[Debetro]

Nah it can . It just depends if the surgery is rly correcting a real problem and if it will actually correct it:

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I don't want unprivileged people frauding their sub-optimal genetics or environment in such a way. They are dangerous for the gene pool.

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ⠀]

As BGM once said it’s less about doing a lot in 1 surgery
It’s doing many small surgeries that add up

Not true at all.

It's not about adding a chin or jaw implant here and there.

Most individuals just need one surgery assessed individually by determining the ROI of each modification.

Don't judge that statement by interpreting it immediately. That surgery could be anything including MLF3.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

 

[Klasik616]

I don't want unprivileged people frauding ther sub-optimal genetics or environment in such a way. They are dangerous for the gene pool.

Looksmaxxers do this
They fraud their ugly faces with being lean
And they end up being MTNs with no appeal
Like me

 

[RICHCELDOM]

I don't want unprivileged people frauding ther sub-optimal genetics or environment in such a way. They are dangerous for the gene pool.

I can't argue this.

Maybe the only argument is that it helps you find a more attractive partner which would help compensate for your weaker genetics but I don't know how far this goes in a qunatifiable way.

 

[Klasik616]

I can't argue this.

Maybe the only argument is that it helps you find a more attractive partner which would help compensate for your weaker genetics but I don't know how far this goes in a qunatifiable way.

The main reason we are looksmaxxing I think is because we are incels, if I had a girlfriend since 14 I would have never been blackpilled (there's no way).
I get surprised when I see slayers on this forum, enjoy your life get out of this website. I don't understand users with girlfriends on this site.

 

[greycel]

Not true at all.

It's not about adding a chin or jaw implant here and there.

Most individuals just need one surgery assessed individually by determining the ROI of each modification.

Don't judge that statement by interpreting it immediately. That surgery could be anything including MLF3.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

You’re being pedantic dude
The point is that you stand to gain more change from your physical appearance not just from fixing falios (of a greater extent - big isolated change), but also perfecting imperfections (to a lesser extent - across many areas of the face)

Fixing imperfections and making ratios ideal in many areas of your face will bring about more change assuming your falio isn’t sufficiently bad (in the extremes - very rare)
Not to mention you can fix falio to a moderate degree and many imperfections to a mild degree

 

[imontheloose]

Not true at all.

It's not about adding a chin or jaw implant here and there.

Most individuals just need one surgery assessed individually by determining the ROI of each modification.

Don't judge that statement by interpreting it immediately. That surgery could be anything including MLF3.

@chadisbeingmade @imontheloose @Eltrē

As BGM once said it’s less about doing a lot in 1 surgery
It’s doing many small surgeries that add up

Depends on your issues. Both are valid approaches.

 

[Debetro]

Looksmaxxers do this
They fraud their ugly faces with being lean
And they end up being MTNs with no appeal

Getting lean is internal. Plastic surgery is solely superficial in most cases. They are on whole other levels.

You will never become very good looking if you lack the phenotype base, but it still can fraud some features. As an example, imagine someone with a long nose with a big bump. It personally would annoy me if the person would have changed his nose, hiding his sub-optimal genetics and trying to imitate superior features. As a man, the most annoying part is if it's a dating aged woman getting these procedures. Nowadays you can't tell at first glance whether she would be wife material for optimal reproduction. Botox, lifts, rhinoplasties... all this crap has only one purpose and is improving superficially one's appearance, which in other words is portraying something that you aren't, be it health indicators or genetic qualities. Makeup, hair dyes and plastic surgery. Restricting or at least shaming them could make a lot of things better. People who use them will whine about this.

 

[greycel]

You’re being pedantic dude
The point is that you stand to gain more change from your physical appearance not just from fixing falios (of a greater extent - big isolated change), but also perfecting imperfections (to a lesser extent - across many areas of the face)

Fixing imperfections and making ratios ideal in many areas of your face will bring about more change assuming your falio isn’t sufficiently bad (in the extremes - very rare)
Not to mention you can fix falio to a moderate degree and many imperfections to a mild degree

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē

 

[Debetro]

I can't argue this.

Maybe the only argument is that it helps you find a more attractive partner which would help compensate for your weaker genetics but I don't know how far this goes in a qunatifiable way.

I mean, a lot of what simple people do is "frauding" too I guess. But most would agree there's a limit.

 

[pfl]

basement dwelling doomer take tbh

 

[imontheloose]

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē

The truth is somewhere in between in my eyes. This is so variable that there cannot be a law. If you take a moderate or severe skeletal issue, one structural surgery, like a LF or sliding genio will likely yield the greatest ROI.

If your bone structure is average but your soft tissue aesthetics are lacking, many small refinements like cantho, rhino, fat grafts, may do more.

In real-life cases, the best transformations often combine both. A well chosen primary structural surgery followed by refinement work.

@Jonasㅤㅤ⠀

 

[chadisbeingmade]

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē

Pointless debate I think. Surgery is based on the individual. Some are going to need implants to fraud bones etc, and some will only need soft tissue changes to enhance harmony etc. It depends.

Both will have a positive impact on your life if done properly.

This is a cope thread unless deformed.

 

[Klasik616]

Pointless debate I think. Surgery is based on the individual. Some are going to need implants to fraud bones etc, and some will only need soft tissue changes to enhance harmony etc. It depends.

Both will have a positive impact on your life if done properly.

This is a cope thread unless deformed.

You think a surgery can make an incel get a girlfriend

 

[chadisbeingmade]

You think a surgery can make an incel get a girlfriend

Depends on why you are incel. Look? Social abilities? etc.

If you are MTN at least, realistically looks aren’t stopping you from getting a girlfriend tbh. It’s not hard to get a girlfriend at all.

 

[valentine]

i still need it

 

[greycel]

The truth is somewhere in between in my eyes. This is so variable that there cannot be a law. If you take a moderate or severe skeletal issue, one structural surgery, like a LF or sliding genio will likely yield the greatest ROI.

If your bone structure is average but your soft tissue aesthetics are lacking, many small refinements like cantho, rhino, fat grafts, may do more.

In real-life cases, the best transformations often combine both. A well chosen primary structural surgery followed by refinement work.

@Jonasㅤㅤ⠀

Everything is dependent on something else
And especially so if the issue is directly linked to craniofacial dystrophy

Doesn’t need to be.. “bad genes come in packages”

But anyways that’s why people don’t just get a LF1 and call it a day
They’ll get inframalars, then fat graft to undereyes, then rhino. Maybe also some conservative jaw angles

and they don’t need to necessarily be flaws either, if you benefit a sufficient amount for the surgery reward/risk+effort to be high enough
Also @Jonasㅤㅤ⠀ is just talking about hard fixes discounting easily variable changes you can make using fillers..

 

[madma]

View attachment 3764339ltn to mtn has no difference you won't get girls

If you are tall LTN to MTN will have huge results

 

[madma]

Nah it can . It just depends if the surgery is rly correcting a real problem and if it will actually correct it:

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Why did his coloring change

 

[RICHCELDOM]

Why did his coloring change

His t rose after getting a gf increasing his melanin production