UPPER maxillary projection is the key to aesthetics

[Deleted member 28414]

I wonder, aside from cartilage pulling,

and upper jaw pulling

If,

1. anchored nasal bridge pulling with a facepuller (you need to be buddy with a maxillofacial doc/surgeon to install the bone anchors like those in the palate) to essentially pull your upper maxilla and increase your airway space as well

OR
2. there is way to insert rods inside your nose like the ones used to test whether you got covid

But solid anelastic ones that don't BEND and pull your nasal bridge - maxilla that way

is a realistic way to partly fix a recessed upper maxilla.

JFL how does that guy breath?

His alar base starts behind his eyes.

Mirin his 3 cubic centimeters (3 cm^3) cranial airway.

i wonder if you can make your medial canthus more downturned using this because when i pull the top of my nose forward it improves it

 

[BrahminBoss]

Is the maxillary triangle affected by fat pads/ body fat and is it possible to gauge how much it is affected by? @thecel

 

[BrahminBoss]

Yeah the anterior nasal spine is super important

for what?

 

[BrahminBoss]

Wrote all this shit myself bruh.

I desperately wanna get my threads into BotB. I probably won't make it. Over for forumcels.

high iq chinklet

 

[BrahminBoss]

@thecel answer the two questions above pls

 

[thecel]

Is the maxillary triangle affected by fat pads/ body fat and is it possible to gauge how much it is affected by? @thecel

too lazy to answer

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for what?

The Falio of a Recessed Anterior Nasal Spine

A sharp angle transition point between the columella and the philtrum is a subhuman trait: It's due to a recessed anterior nasal spine: Caucasoid’s skulls have the sharpest, most projecting anterior nasal spines of all the races: A concave philtrum and a columella...

looksmax.org

 

[Mezo103]

This is exactly what I fucking need to look human and can't believe someone spoke on it. Lefort 2 minus lefort 1 will ascend me to human

 

[BrahminBoss]

too lazy to answer

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The Falio of a Recessed Anterior Nasal Spine

A sharp angle transition point between the columella and the philtrum is a subhuman trait: It's due to a recessed anterior nasal spine: Caucasoid’s skulls have the sharpest, most projecting anterior nasal spines of all the races: A concave philtrum and a columella...

looksmax.org

can u give a short ans

 

[can’t relate]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

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What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

View attachment 1033406View attachment 1033407

Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

View attachment 1033410View attachment 1033408View attachment 1033409

Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



View attachment 1033417View attachment 1033421

Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

View attachment 1033404View attachment 1033405

Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

---

The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

View attachment 1033412

Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

View attachment 1033413

Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

View attachment 1033479

Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

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Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

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Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

Fuck I appreciate you so much bro. can you send me all your high IQ threads I find it difficult to distinguish and find HIGH IQ threads

 

[can’t relate]

@thecel who can do the upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.? I heard getting any Lefort surgery is impossible if you’re not subhuman / deformed. How can I get it if I’m not subhuman but would look even better with it?

 

[trumpwillwin]

Fuck I appreciate you so much bro. can you send me all your high IQ threads I find it difficult to distinguish and find HIGH IQ threads

shut the fuck up, subhuman

 

[can’t relate]

shut the fuck up, subhuman

Ironic coming from you (subhuman). You’re literal genetic trash

 

[trumpwillwin]

Ironic coming from you (subhuman). You’re literal genetic trash

I guaranteed mog you, you fucking incel cuck.

don't you dare for a second get hope or dopamine from this post thinking "I have a recessed upper maxilla!! and there's a fix!! it means I have potential!!"

no, youre subhuman filth. waste. excrement. youre going to look like uncanny trash.

you will never get girls. focus on a job, books, sports.


kill yourself

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Robert Pattinson proves that as long as you don't have midface hypoplasia, upper maxilla projection doesn't take away from aesthetics

 

[Deleted member 31876]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

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What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

View attachment 1033406View attachment 1033407

Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

View attachment 1033410View attachment 1033408View attachment 1033409

Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



View attachment 1033417View attachment 1033421

Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

View attachment 1033404View attachment 1033405

Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

---

The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

View attachment 1033412

Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

View attachment 1033413

Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

View attachment 1033479

Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

View attachment 1033415

Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

View attachment 1033502

Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

ok so what should i do

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Water.

 

[Deleted member 32523]

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Not always...if the lower maxilla and mandible doesn't catch up then it creates a convex profile which isn't good either

I actually came here to post exactly this, haha. If I am understanding this right, I have a prominent maxilla which is theoretically a good thing but I also have a large nose with a hump on it, so the maxilla area actually acts as a "platform" which makes my nose even more prominent.

I wanted to point out that it is not necessarily a good thing as it can look like someone has pinched your nose and stretched it forwards and the rest of your face has followed slightly

 

[ymb]

1. anchored nasal bridge pulling with a facepuller (you need to be buddy with a maxillofacial doc/surgeon to install the bone anchors like those in the palate) to essentially pull your upper maxilla and increase your airway space as well

This should be a real thing.
Global elite doesn't want you to airwaymaxx.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

 

[JohnDoe]

Recessed upper + lower maxilla and projected nose = death. It's over for me. Not familiar with mew indicator line but I'll check it out.
I'd like to see variations of lower maxilla recessed + upper max normal + projected nose and vice versa. I think it's uncommon for guys to have both recessed upper and lower maxilla unless they're east asian.

 

[agoostis]

can u have good projection yet shitty undereyes and nasolabial fold?

 

[thecel]

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I refuse to believe the forum is dominated by greycels; I’ll cope by thinking I must be colorblind.

 

[thecel]

This is exactly what I fucking need to look human and can't believe someone spoke on it. Lefort 2 minus lefort 1 will ascend me to human

Daily Reminder:

vs

 

[Deleted member 33424]

Daily Reminder:

vs

you should get paid for your anti asian maxilla shilling (truth) and its crazy how much tongue strength is needed for me to just maintain a few mm's of projection.

 

[agoostis]

but that’s forward grown right ? at least not recessed ? cuz i have all the sign of recession (scleral show, 404 undereyes and horrible nasolabial fold) and yet it doesn’t look like the picture of recessed person you’ve posted

 

[Deleted member 23218]

Suifuel mine is shit despite being white, kind of like the East-Asian woman in the after picture but my zygos are more forward so the transistion is slightly worse, my nose also looks similar. How do you fix this? Bimax + Implants?

Ur not white ur turanid

 

[joseph]

Daily Reminder:

vs

lefort 2


midface + paransal + radix implant combo

 

[Lookologist003]

Seriously good thread.

 

[Acne Victim]

@mrriceguy

Proof that there should be mandatory monobloc for every asian

 

[thecel]

@thecel who can do the upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.? I heard getting any Lefort surgery is impossible if you’re not subhuman / deformed. How can I get it if I’m not subhuman but would look even better with it?

paranasal implants work too

 

[barnmatrix]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

---

What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

View attachment 1033406View attachment 1033407

Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

View attachment 1033410View attachment 1033408View attachment 1033409

Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



View attachment 1033417View attachment 1033421

Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

View attachment 1033404View attachment 1033405

Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

---

The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

View attachment 1033412

Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

View attachment 1033413

Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

View attachment 1033479

Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

---

The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

View attachment 1033415

Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

View attachment 1033502

Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

---

What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

View attachment 1033406View attachment 1033407

Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

View attachment 1033410View attachment 1033408View attachment 1033409

Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



View attachment 1033417View attachment 1033421

Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

View attachment 1033404View attachment 1033405

Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

---

The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

View attachment 1033412

Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

View attachment 1033413

Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

View attachment 1033479

Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

---

The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

View attachment 1033415

Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

View attachment 1033502

Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

"figure 9: a recessed subhuman" LMAOOO

what is the most effective way to optimize maxilla?

 

[thecel]

 

[anthony111553]

don't post that nigger curry

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

 

[Lookologist003]

Did he credit you in anyway? I'm not watching it.

 

[TanFeo-Y-Negro]

Did he credit you in anyway? I'm not watching it.

retard

 

[Deleted member 30349]

Albeacho, the fun police.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

Everyone can fraud a good maxilla at this angle, even asians

No, they can't

 

[mnbvcxz]

Is lefort 1 enough to advance a recessed maxilla? I have a planned lefort 1 advancement (most likely) sometime in 2027-2028 to correct an underbite, ive made a thread about it if someone can go look at it or js answer me here

 

[geenger]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

View attachment 1033427View attachment 1033418View attachment 1033419

Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

View attachment 1033442

Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

---

What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

View attachment 1033406View attachment 1033407

Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

View attachment 1033448

Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

View attachment 1033403

Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

View attachment 1033410View attachment 1033408View attachment 1033409

Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



View attachment 1033417View attachment 1033421

Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

View attachment 1033404View attachment 1033405

Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

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The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

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Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

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Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

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Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

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Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

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Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

Congrats on the great post

 

[Azonin]

maxilla < jaw

 

[jisko32]

that's why I'm chad. My maxilla is very projected, so my face is very pleasing to look at.

 

[Weter]

What's the upper maxilla?

The upper maxilla is essentially the Le Fort 2 area minus the Le Fort 1 area.

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Figure 1: The 3 Le Fort fractures. The upper maxilla is Le Fort 2 minus Le Fort 1.​

The upper maxilla includes the inner infraorbital rims, the nasal ridge, the canine fossa area (Figure 2), and most importantly, the nasal aperture.

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Figure 2: Canine fossae​

This post doesn't go into detail about the canine fossa; just know that it's an important part of the upper maxilla.

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What does upper maxillary projection look like?

Upper maxillary projection is characterized by the area from the front of the cheekbone to the back of the nose being a smooth transition when viewed from the side, as seen in Figure 3.

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Figure 3: Almost-side-profile view of a White man with upper maxillary projection​

The man in Figure 3 has a seamless "blend" between the zygoma and the back of the nose. Contrast that with this other man who has a clearly defined border in the same spot:

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Figure 4: Poor upper maxillary projection​

The difference is due to the slope of the bone around the nasal aperture. With a forward upper maxilla, the bone on the left and right taper forward and inward toward the nose. With a flat upper maxilla, the bone on both sides of the upper maxilla are parallel.

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Figure 5: Caucasoid projected upper maxilla vs. Mongoloid flat upper maxilla​

Projected upper maxillas as typically seen in Caucasoids, whereas a flat upper maxilla is a Mongoloid trait.

Another way to look at this is in terms of the position of the nasal aperture, the hole in the skull you breathe through.

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Figure 6: Underprojected, normal, and overprojected nasal apertures



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Figure 7: The recessed nasal aperture of a Mongoloid and the projected nasal aperture of a Caucasoid​

An aesthetic upper maxilla is for the most part a projected nasal aperture.

Here's an East Asian woman who got a nose job as well as some procedure that moved her nasal aperture forward and made the surrounding tissue more slanted forwards toward the center:

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Figure 8: Before and after of an East Asian woman who got a more projected nasal aperture, making the surrounding contour slanted forward toward the middle like Caucasians​

As you can see, she used to have a clearly defined border between the front of her zygos and the back of her nose, and after surgery it turned into a smooth blended transition, which is ideal.

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The difference between a projected upper maxilla and a projected nose



This is a recessed subhuman:

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Figure 9: A recessed subhuman​

Giving him a forward-protruding Caucasoid nose doesn't result in a good look (Figure 10).

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Figure 10: Shit​

His nasal aperture and the bone around it needs to get pulled forward, like this:

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Figure 11: Better​

I deliberately kept his nose flat in order to show how a projected upper maxilla with a flat nose mogs a recessed upper maxilla with a projecting nose.

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The final nail in the coffin for Mew Indicator Line copers

@loox made a very high-IQ post last year about the faults of the Mew Indicator Line:

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-measure-a-recessed-maxilla.122146/post-2598129

Unfortunately, it hasn't gotten many views because it's the 60th reply to a thread that claims the Mew Indicator Line is a "great tool." At the time of writing, that thread is in the "Best of the Best" subforum. I think it has merit, but it should be removed from BotB for the Mew Indicator Line's flaws.

What flaws? Well first of all, the Mew Indicator Line (MIL) does a poor job at measuring forward growth. If you think about it, drawing a line from the incisors to the nose tip measures the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper maxilla—though inaccurately because nose size affects the measurement.

A short MIL indicates a more projected lower maxilla compared to the upper, and a long MIL indicates the opposite. Because of the relative nature of the MIL, a more recessed upper maxilla actually causes a shorter and more ideal MIL, which doesn't make sense (Figure 12).

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Figure 12: The more recessed a person's upper maxilla, the better the Mew Indicator Line.​

As previously mentioned, MIL is affected by nose size, and this makes it an utterly dog shit method of measuring the degree of maxillary projection. If it weren't affected by nose size, it'd serve as a useful tool for measuring the upper/lower projection balance: the projection of the lower maxilla relative to the upper. But it's useless for measuring that too since it's affected by nose size. Methods such as the maxillary triangle (Figure 13) are superior.

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Figure 13: The Maxillary Triangle: a better method of measuring maxillary projection than the Mew Indicator Line.​

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What's the key takeaway?

Upper maxillary projection is pretty much nasal aperture projection. And nasal aperture projection is the most important thing for getting that "forward-grown look." Flawed methods like the Mew Indicator Line are bad for measuring upper maxillary projection.

How do we improve that?

 

[cantfathomcucks]

Funny, I've also come to realize this. I just didn't think of it in as sophisticated a manner as you. But I was thinking pretty much the same thing, especially the part where you talk about how the bones taper forward toward the nose when the upper maxilla is projected forwards.

I think this has some to do with why vinnie hacker is attractive. He has great upper maxilla projection. Even from a frontal view you can see how his bones taper towards the nose. It just adds a much-needed element of angularity
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yep.


he has insane projection and i think this might be the entire base for his insane forward growth.

dude owes his entire life to his orthodontist jfl. what did his othro do to fix his face this drastically holy shit.

 

[greycel]

yep.
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he has insane projection and i think this might be the entire base for his insane forward growth.

View attachment 2975255 dude owes his entire life to his orthodontist jfl. what did his othro do to fix his face this drastically holy shit.

I came out hella recessed. I'm talking terra downgrown with my 4 premolar extractions (before puberty however) and 7 yrs of braces. Most likely the most downgrown dude on here.

His orthodontist probably expanded his palate however. It would seem so because his zygos are anteriorly grown and are developed with good lateral projection too.

Most mothers with good bones, produce sons with good bones. I've seen that every single time, with no exceptions. When the son is a Chad not due to facial harmony like Chico, but insane bone mass.. the mother ALWAYS has that too
This is his mother:

He benefitted well from the orthodontics from his dad's decent bone placement. I've also noticed that whilst bone mass comes from the mother, the father contributes heavily towards the harmony/pheno of the kid and bone placement.
So he lucked out, with orthodontics using his father's base pretty much.

 

[cantfathomcucks]

Frontal Process of the Maxilla

Nasal Bones

Anterior Nasal Spine (underrated cephalometric landmark)

is there some sort of nasal osteotomy or surgery like to push or rotate frontal maxilla process isolated from lower maxillary? these retard doctors completely took wrong path for ethocels and foids, taking bone from cartilage jfl when this is all they actually needed.

 

[aestheticsrespecter]

excellent explication

 

[cantfathomcucks]

could be fixed with paranasal implant

depends on your definition of fixed but mostly no. implants only sits next to the nasal aperture, adding volume around the frontal process without adding projection to nasal aperture itself.



so you really have a very narrow room for improvement(and even that is if you are recessed in that area) to reach a point where it disturbs the harmony between these two place. best case scenario you have a flat nose as well and can make it project more with rhino to superficially add more room for paranasal too.


if you are not recessed in that area specifically or really want to elevate your aesthetics there lefort 2 or some kinda surgery that moves entire thing together are only things possible.



im currently working on a new trigonometric measure and analyze upper maxillary growth that will show its harmony to lower maxillary as well.

 

[cantfathomcucks]

Only in the West. Caucasoids have projected upper maxillas

bro open your profile for me FFS

 

[tellajax]

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