1 MONTH POST BIMAX W PICS: DID I GET UNDERADVANCED? (process and future plans)

[whitepill_is_true]

This thread gonna be pretty long so if you aren't attentionspanmaxxed just read the tldr in red.
Got a Bimax late september via insurance. These were the movements planned.
LEFORT 1: 2MM ADVANCEMENT
BSSO: 8MM ADVANCEMENT
2° CCW ROTATION
PRE BIMAX

POST BIMAX

My question is: Did I get underadvanced? I'm aware swelling takes longer to go away but atm I still feel like my jaw is recessed.

Spoiler: Surgery Recovery

Recovery was brutal lmao, had me looking like a chipmunk first two weeks. Woke up after surgery in hella pain in a room full of old farts. While I was dying from pain these two old guys next to me were deadass yapping about fishing for three hours, worst experience i've had in a while. After a while a nurse comes in and told me I'd lost alot of blood but the surgery went well. She hooked me up with some pain meds and I kinda drifted in and out of sleep for the first day. Got sent home on the second day which was pretty nice because if I had to listen to another fish yap I was gonna kms. From that point on recovery was pretty smooth, my doctor gave me a HELIOTHERM mask which was a lifesaver. My only tip for when your getting jaw surgery is to get a FACE MASK WITH CONTINOUS WATER FLOW LIKE A HELIOTHERM (pic below). Also pic of first day after surgery looking hella mog

FUTURE HARDMAXXING PLANS:
I believe my remaining failos are as follows, from most to least severe:
1- recessed infraorbitals
2- recessed zygos
3- narrow smile
4- inward gonions
5- thin lips
6- bad coloring
7- bad brows and lashes
do you guys agree? frontal pic below.

HARDMAXXES I'M PLANNING:
1: MARPE FOR BETTER SMILE
2: COMPOSITE BONDING
3: CUSTOM INFRAORBITAL AND ZYGOMATIC IMPLANTS
4: ROIDS

SOFTMAXXES IM DOING:
1: Gymcelling- Water ik but if you aren't doing this are you even trying?
2: Topical minoxidil 5% on brows- Been doing this for a while but struggling to fill in the inner corner of my brow, any tips?
3: Skincare- Just finished my accutane treatment which saved my skin, just doing basic cleansing and moisturizing rn, gonna start something topical soon.
4: Hair- getting a sick ass cut soon which hopefully gonna ascend me to HLTN
5: NTmaxxing- College really made me realise the importance of social status, so i've been working on getting low inhib and socialmaxxing, but doing ts feels like a salmon swimming upstream
Im doing the basics like proper diet and sleep and stuff but what specifics should I add?

Spoiler: MARPE PLANS

Although post-bimax marpe is rare, I believe I still qualify. my smile is narrow asf and struggle to put my tongue on my the top of my mouth. Finding an orthodontist in the Netherlands willing to provide this is gonna be hard but there are some promising orthodontists im planning to consult. One of these is Aldin Kapetanovic. He has published multiple research papers about marpe and even created his own design: Dutch Maxillary Expansion Device. It contains 4 miniscrews and is 3d printed (picture below). Can those knowledgeable on MARPE DESIGN advise if this is a good design? Would really help me out as i'm not too knowledgeable.

Since my maxilla needs to heal for atleast 6 months before I could start MARPE, I haven't made too much progress towards the composite bonding (need to wait for all orthodontic treatments to finish anyway). Luckily I have been wageslaving hella this past year so I believe that once I'm done with MARPE I could instantly get started on the implant process. I'm slowly getting started on researching anabolics and peptides. Think I'm gonna start with some easy peptides like MT2 once I find a supplier to get the process down. But I'm interested to hear your guys thoughts on how to achieve the greatest aesthetic benefit. What would you do in my shoes? Would you skip MARPE altogether? Maybe add a gonial implant as well? How would I rate rn on looks scale and what do you believe to be my genetic ceiling? If you made it this far please read the motivational quote down below

Spoiler: quote which will make you rethink your life

 

[whitepill_is_true]

hmmm did get some views but no replies did I format this post wrong or sum?

 

[Sub5kang]

hmmm did get some views but no replies did I format this post wrong or sum?

Not enough flashy colours for our Nd attention span

 

[whitepill_is_true]

Not enough flashy colours for our Nd attention span

yeah my fate was sealed the second i forget to add cool alpha dark triad music or a subway surfers video

 

[HerpDerpson]

You have no room for a genio with that deep mentolabial fold, so maybe you could have used more lost jaw movement. And you could have used some nose tip rotation, so more CCW. But it's not something worth agonising over or doing a revision. Doing marpe after bimax is kind of silly, since you're gonna have to go though the orthodontics aging, but if you think there's functional benefits, you might as well do it.

 

[ltn_looksminner]

nigga it was free what did you expect

 

[LEFORT17]

This thread gonna be pretty long so if you aren't attentionspanmaxxed just read the tldr in red.
Got a Bimax late september via insurance. These were the movements planned.
LEFORT 1: 2MM ADVANCEMENT
BSSO: 8MM ADVANCEMENT
2° CCW ROTATION
PRE BIMAX
View attachment 4256805View attachment 4257354View attachment 4257356
POST BIMAX
View attachment 4257369View attachment 4257373View attachment 4257378
My question is: Did I get underadvanced? I'm aware swelling takes longer to go away but atm I still feel like my jaw is recessed.

Spoiler: Surgery Recovery

Recovery was brutal lmao, had me looking like a chipmunk first two weeks. Woke up after surgery in hella pain in a room full of old farts. While I was dying from pain these two old guys next to me were deadass yapping about fishing for three hours, worst experience i've had in a while. After a while a nurse comes in and told me I'd lost alot of blood but the surgery went well. She hooked me up with some pain meds and I kinda drifted in and out of sleep for the first day. Got sent home on the second day which was pretty nice because if I had to listen to another fish yap I was gonna kms. From that point on recovery was pretty smooth, my doctor gave me a HELIOTHERM mask which was a lifesaver. My only tip for when your getting jaw surgery is to get a FACE MASK WITH CONTINOUS WATER FLOW LIKE A HELIOTHERM (pic below). Also pic of first day after surgery looking hella mog
View attachment 4257487View attachment 4258937

FUTURE HARDMAXXING PLANS:
I believe my remaining failos are as follows, from most to least severe:
1- recessed infraorbitals
2- recessed zygos
3- narrow smile
4- inward gonions
5- thin lips
6- bad coloring
7- bad brows and lashes
do you guys agree? frontal pic below.
View attachment 4258983
HARDMAXXES I'M PLANNING:
1: MARPE FOR BETTER SMILE
2: COMPOSITE BONDING
3: CUSTOM INFRAORBITAL AND ZYGOMATIC IMPLANTS
4: ROIDS

SOFTMAXXES IM DOING:
1: Gymcelling- Water ik but if you aren't doing this are you even trying?
2: Topical minoxidil 5% on brows- Been doing this for a while but struggling to fill in the inner corner of my brow, any tips?
3: Skincare- Just finished my accutane treatment which saved my skin, just doing basic cleansing and moisturizing rn, gonna start something topical soon.
4: Hair- getting a sick ass cut soon which hopefully gonna ascend me to HLTN
5: NTmaxxing- College really made me realise the importance of social status, so i've been working on getting low inhib and socialmaxxing, but doing ts feels like a salmon swimming upstream
Im doing the basics like proper diet and sleep and stuff but what specifics should I add?

Spoiler: MARPE PLANS

Although post-bimax marpe is rare, I believe I still qualify. my smile is narrow asf and struggle to put my tongue on my the top of my mouth. Finding an orthodontist in the Netherlands willing to provide this is gonna be hard but there are some promising orthodontists im planning to consult. One of these is Aldin Kapetanovic. He has published multiple research papers about marpe and even created his own design: Dutch Maxillary Expansion Device. It contains 4 miniscrews and is 3d printed (picture below). Can those knowledgeable on MARPE DESIGN advise if this is a good design? Would really help me out as i'm not too knowledgeable.

View attachment 4257623​

Since my maxilla needs to heal for atleast 6 months before I could start MARPE, I haven't made too much progress towards the composite bonding (need to wait for all orthodontic treatments to finish anyway). Luckily I have been wageslaving hella this past year so I believe that once I'm done with MARPE I could instantly get started on the implant process. I'm slowly getting started on researching anabolics and peptides. Think I'm gonna start with some easy peptides like MT2 once I find a supplier to get the process down. But I'm interested to hear your guys thoughts on how to achieve the greatest aesthetic benefit. What would you do in my shoes? Would you skip MARPE altogether? Maybe add a gonial implant as well? How would I rate rn on looks scale and what do you believe to be my genetic ceiling? If you made it this far please read the motivational quote down below

Spoiler: quote which will make you rethink your life

View attachment 4258883

upper jaw looks fine. your surgeon should have done a vertical height adding genio. you can/should still do it

 

[LEFORT17]

nigga it was free what did you expect

not even that bad. small genio enhancement and jaw area looks fine

 

[whitepill_is_true]

You have no room for a genio with that deep mentolabial fold, so maybe you could have used more lost jaw movement. And you could have used some nose tip rotation, so more CCW. But it's not something worth agonising over or doing a revision. Doing marpe after bimax is kind of silly, since you're gonna have to go though the orthodontics aging, but if you think there's functional benefits, you might as well do it.

Can a mentolabial fold be fixed and is it a big looksmin? I'm definitely not planning a revision over minor inaccuracy, my fault for going with insurance and not doing proper research. The time-consuming aspect is also what's holding me back. Wait atleast 6 months for bone to heal, get MARPE, and orthodontics after which will take atleast a year, making me 20 at the end of the process. I think it depends on how much of a looksmin a narrow smile truly is. If I were to skip MARPE I believe I could get good implants in my face next summer shaving some time of the ascension. Having a better ascension but waiting longer or a worse ascension but done earlier. Could it be possible to get implants to get implants during the post-marpe orthodontics? Should this be the case I could finish late 19 early 20. There are definitely some functional issues, but they are minor.

 

[whitepill_is_true]

upper jaw looks fine. your surgeon should have done a vertical height adding genio. you can/should still do it

you mean a genio like this? Wouldn't this make my chin too pronounced?

 

[LEFORT17]

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you mean a genio like this? Wouldn't this make my chin too pronounced?

depends on the forward movement!

 

[LEFORT17]

Can a mentolabial fold be fixed and is it a big looksmin? I'm definitely not planning a revision over minor inaccuracy, my fault for going with insurance and not doing proper research. The time-consuming aspect is also what's holding me back. Wait atleast 6 months for bone to heal, get MARPE, and orthodontics after which will take atleast a year, making me 20 at the end of the process. I think it depends on how much of a looksmin a narrow smile truly is. If I were to skip MARPE I believe I could get good implants in my face next summer shaving some time of the ascension. Having a better ascension but waiting longer or a worse ascension but done earlier. Could it be possible to get implants to get implants during the post-marpe orthodontics? Should this be the case I could finish late 19 early 20. There are definitely some functional issues, but they are minor.

didnt u get a 2/3 piece lefort?

 

[whitepill_is_true]

nigga it was free what did you expect

didnt u get a 2/3 piece lefort?

no segmental lefort was done, regular lefort without transverse expansion. You can see in my frontal after pic that my maxilla is still narrow, last I measured intermolar width of 36mm

 

[LEFORT17]

no segmental lefort was done, regular lefort without transverse expansion. You can see in my frontal after pic that my maxilla is still narrow, last I measured intermolar width of 36mm

you should have known what you need before doing a surgery like that. talking bout the genio you can def still get 3-4mm forward movement with 2-3 vertical height

 

[LEFORT17]

You have no room for a genio with that deep mentolabial fold, so maybe you could have used more lost jaw movement. And you could have used some nose tip rotation, so more CCW. But it's not something worth agonising over or doing a revision. Doing marpe after bimax is kind of silly, since you're gonna have to go though the orthodontics aging, but if you think there's functional benefits, you might as well do it.

do you even know that there are genio variants for a deep mentolabial fold?

 

[whitepill_is_true]

you should have known what you need before doing a surgery like that. talking bout the genio you can def still get 3-4mm forward movement with 2-3 vertical height

yeah definitely big regret on not doing better research. Do you know how to morph that after pic to show what a vertical genio would look like? Surgeon told me my chin was fine and that lower jaw was the issue, but I suspect he didn't have too keen a aesthetic eye. My chin still looks a little off compared to other people, maybe vertical height is the issue.

 

[iamaincel]

This thread gonna be pretty long so if you aren't attentionspanmaxxed just read the tldr in red.
Got a Bimax late september via insurance. These were the movements planned.
LEFORT 1: 2MM ADVANCEMENT
BSSO: 8MM ADVANCEMENT
2° CCW ROTATION
PRE BIMAX
View attachment 4256805View attachment 4257354View attachment 4257356
POST BIMAX
View attachment 4257369View attachment 4257373View attachment 4257378
My question is: Did I get underadvanced? I'm aware swelling takes longer to go away but atm I still feel like my jaw is recessed.

Spoiler: Surgery Recovery

Recovery was brutal lmao, had me looking like a chipmunk first two weeks. Woke up after surgery in hella pain in a room full of old farts. While I was dying from pain these two old guys next to me were deadass yapping about fishing for three hours, worst experience i've had in a while. After a while a nurse comes in and told me I'd lost alot of blood but the surgery went well. She hooked me up with some pain meds and I kinda drifted in and out of sleep for the first day. Got sent home on the second day which was pretty nice because if I had to listen to another fish yap I was gonna kms. From that point on recovery was pretty smooth, my doctor gave me a HELIOTHERM mask which was a lifesaver. My only tip for when your getting jaw surgery is to get a FACE MASK WITH CONTINOUS WATER FLOW LIKE A HELIOTHERM (pic below). Also pic of first day after surgery looking hella mog
View attachment 4257487View attachment 4258937

FUTURE HARDMAXXING PLANS:
I believe my remaining failos are as follows, from most to least severe:
1- recessed infraorbitals
2- recessed zygos
3- narrow smile
4- inward gonions
5- thin lips
6- bad coloring
7- bad brows and lashes
do you guys agree? frontal pic below.
View attachment 4258983
HARDMAXXES I'M PLANNING:
1: MARPE FOR BETTER SMILE
2: COMPOSITE BONDING
3: CUSTOM INFRAORBITAL AND ZYGOMATIC IMPLANTS
4: ROIDS

SOFTMAXXES IM DOING:
1: Gymcelling- Water ik but if you aren't doing this are you even trying?
2: Topical minoxidil 5% on brows- Been doing this for a while but struggling to fill in the inner corner of my brow, any tips?
3: Skincare- Just finished my accutane treatment which saved my skin, just doing basic cleansing and moisturizing rn, gonna start something topical soon.
4: Hair- getting a sick ass cut soon which hopefully gonna ascend me to HLTN
5: NTmaxxing- College really made me realise the importance of social status, so i've been working on getting low inhib and socialmaxxing, but doing ts feels like a salmon swimming upstream
Im doing the basics like proper diet and sleep and stuff but what specifics should I add?

Spoiler: MARPE PLANS

Although post-bimax marpe is rare, I believe I still qualify. my smile is narrow asf and struggle to put my tongue on my the top of my mouth. Finding an orthodontist in the Netherlands willing to provide this is gonna be hard but there are some promising orthodontists im planning to consult. One of these is Aldin Kapetanovic. He has published multiple research papers about marpe and even created his own design: Dutch Maxillary Expansion Device. It contains 4 miniscrews and is 3d printed (picture below). Can those knowledgeable on MARPE DESIGN advise if this is a good design? Would really help me out as i'm not too knowledgeable.

View attachment 4257623​

Since my maxilla needs to heal for atleast 6 months before I could start MARPE, I haven't made too much progress towards the composite bonding (need to wait for all orthodontic treatments to finish anyway). Luckily I have been wageslaving hella this past year so I believe that once I'm done with MARPE I could instantly get started on the implant process. I'm slowly getting started on researching anabolics and peptides. Think I'm gonna start with some easy peptides like MT2 once I find a supplier to get the process down. But I'm interested to hear your guys thoughts on how to achieve the greatest aesthetic benefit. What would you do in my shoes? Would you skip MARPE altogether? Maybe add a gonial implant as well? How would I rate rn on looks scale and what do you believe to be my genetic ceiling? If you made it this far please read the motivational quote down below

Spoiler: quote which will make you rethink your life

View attachment 4258883

i belive you could have been advanced more but still if it was covered by insurance its great

 

[LEFORT17]

yeah definitely big regret on not doing better research. Do you know how to morph that after pic to show what a vertical genio would look like? Surgeon told me my chin was fine and that lower jaw was the issue, but I suspect he didn't have too keen a aesthetic eye. My chin still looks a little off compared to other people, maybe vertical height is the issue.

your chin needs a downward rotation