100G PROTEIN MEAL (AAS USERS GTFIH)

[Laqi]

HCG

- spikes e2 fast
- can worsen gyno
- increases DHT conversion and androgenic sides
- causes other mental issues

Basically uselsss unless you care about ball size and even if you do ive been on AAS for 5 years with no atrophy. You can always run HCG later when you want to be fertile etc

Enanthate

- smoother blood levels
- less e2 spikes
- stable levels
- less water retention
- easier to pin
- the gear itself is usually better quality than cyp

I lost hair on 500 test with Fin and Ru when I added Dut it was fine. Better to be safe . Now I’m on 1 gram test with Dut and not too much shedding

Man thanks for putting this much effort into replying me, appreciate it!
Also, will 12weeks of test E do? People tell me that I should do min 20 weeks of 500test E for it to have any result
I m new to this shit so I just wanna make sure to check my researchs credibility

 

[decadouche57]

Man thanks for putting this much effort into replying me, appreciate it!
Also, will 12weeks of test E do? People tell me that I should do min 20 weeks of 500test E for it to have any result
I m new to this shit so I just wanna make sure to check my researchs credibility

Yes 12 weeks is fine I gained around 20 pounds and 10 pounds muscle

 

[Eversor]

HCG

- spikes e2 fast
- can worsen gyno
- increases DHT conversion and androgenic sides
- causes other mental issues

Basically uselsss unless you care about ball size and even if you do ive been on AAS for 5 years with no atrophy. You can always run HCG later when you want to be fertile etc

Enanthate

- smoother blood levels
- less e2 spikes
- stable levels
- less water retention
- easier to pin
- the gear itself is usually better quality than cyp

I lost hair on 500 test with Fin and Ru when I added Dut it was fine. Better to be safe . Now I’m on 1 gram test with Dut and not too much shedding

enanthate and cypionate are interchangeable

Terrible advice your wasting gains just start at 500 it takes 4 weeks for the enanthate to saturate

Start AI first week of cycle at 6.25 mg and titrate based on sides

it saturates during titration weeks, in no way is anything i said "wasting gains" it will just take longer for peak effects to kick in

ais are trash and shouldnt be used unless needed

if anything u are wasting gains by only blasting for 12 weeks, just lol

 

[Laqi]

Yes 12 weeks is fine I gained around 20 pounds and 10 pounds muscle

Thanks man for the info
so my cycle will looks like this now:

Test E 500mg 12 weeks
HGH 4IU 12 weeks ( I heard people say it multiplies gains, but some say that it is mild effect, is it worth the sides to run it?) like risk to result
Duta + RU for hair loss

Do I need AI? aromatisin? I will be carefull with blood tests to make sure I do not end up with gyno, I m not prone but gotta be carefull.
BPC-157

and I m gonna drop HCG as you reccomended.

Also for PCT? Do I need one?

Should I use nolvadex to quickly recover?

 

[care]

View attachment 4409552

@Bitchwhipper2 @m0ss26 @idealistsynth

Cut 1 pound chicken breast into small pieces

Season with al pastor seasoning

Heat up oil in pan and add chicken

Cook until it’s done

Add to tacos

Add Greek yogurt and buffalo sauce on top

This lean bulk is killing me nigga, might have to switch to this.

 

[Eversor]

Thanks man for the info
so my cycle will looks like this now:

Test E 500mg 12 weeks
HGH 4IU 12 weeks ( I heard people say it multiplies gains, but some say that it is mild effect, is it worth the sides to run it?) like risk to result
Duta + RU for hair loss

Do I need AI? aromatisin? I will be carefull with blood tests to make sure I do not end up with gyno, I m not prone but gotta be carefull.
BPC-157

and I m gonna drop HCG as you reccomended.

Also for PCT? Do I need one?

Should I use nolvadex to quickly recover?

absolutely retarded to only do 12 weeks

 

[Laqi]

absolutely retarded to only do 12 weeks

Please elaborate?
This is contradicting @decadouche57 has credibility but how do I trust you more then him?
any proof you have that I should do longer cycle for my first?

 

[Eversor]

Please elaborate?

why would u stop cycle if ur bloods are still healthy?

This is contradicting @decadouche57 has credibility but how do I trust you more then him?

he isnt that credible, he just mindlessly repeats what his dumb coach tells him

any proof you have that I should do longer cycle for my first?

common sense

 

[Laqi]

why would u stop cycle if ur bloods are still healthy?

I mean to remain healthy? What would you call unhealthy blood levels? DO you want me to run it for 25 weeks or what?

he isnt that credible, he just mindlessly repeats what his dumb coach tells him

You have no proof for that, stop projecting.

common sense

What kind of common sense?

 

[decadouche57]

Please elaborate?
This is contradicting @decadouche57 has credibility but how do I trust you more then him?
any proof you have that I should do longer cycle for my first?

That guy is one of the worst users here he’s going on my ignore list do the opposite of eveything he says he’s an utter fucking retard

You can run it for 12 weeks 16 or 20

But the safest and highest ROI option is to do 12 weeks on and take a break for 12 weeks (TRT dose) then blast again

Your lipids need time to recover and continuously fucking them for barely any more muscle isn’t a good tradeoff

 

[decadouche57]

absolutely retarded to only do 12 weeks

BRB hammering my LDL and hemocrit for just 2 pounds more lean contractile brah

 

[Laqi]

That guy is one of the worst users here he’s going on my ignore list do the opposite of eveything he says he’s an utter fucking retard

I see, I thought about same, he is advocating this shit like it's soem candy, it's about persons health.
muhh do it before your blood work is good, just fuck yourself up when you do not need to theory.
Thanks for basic info man, I will research further, I m planning to pin in july to get that hot, aesthetic summer body for august, so I have plenty time. yet again thanks

 

[Laqi]

BRB hammering my LDL and hemocrit for just 2 pounds more lean contractile brah

Hold up your turkish??

I m georgian we are neighbors
can you follow me back?

 

[Eversor]

I mean to remain healthy?

u will know if ur healthy by getting blood tests

What would you call unhealthy blood levels?

depends on starting levels

DO you want me to run it for 25 weeks or what?

20+

You have no proof for that, stop projecting.

"My coach says I need 200-300g on cycle bc otherwise I’m wasting gains is this true"

What kind of common sense?

the fact that u are shutting down ur natural test production and shouldnt cut ur cycle short if u are still healthy

12 weeks of anabolism (4 of which u will see minimal change as it will not be saturated) isnt gonna make that significant of change in ur physique

 

[Laqi]

u will know if ur healthy by getting blood tests

depends on starting levels

20+

"My coach says I need 200-300g on cycle bc otherwise I’m wasting gains is this true"

the fact that u are shutting down ur natural test production and shouldnt cut ur cycle short if u are still healthy

12 weeks of anabolism (4 of which u will see minimal change as it will not be saturated) isnt gonna make that significant of change in ur physique

Have you been on cycle?
OR WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT?

 

[shessonice]

I mean to remain healthy? What would you call unhealthy blood levels? DO you want me to run it for 25 weeks or what?

You have no proof for that, stop projecting.

What kind of common sense?

i really do think you should run for 20, just get periodic blood tests.

your first cycle is going to be the best you will ever recover from a cycle. Each consecutive cycle you run, the risk of not fully recovering increases by a good amount.

 

[Eversor]

That guy is one of the worst users here he’s going on my ignore list do the opposite of eveything he says he’s an utter fucking retard

You can run it for 12 weeks 16 or 20

But the safest and highest ROI option is to do 12 weeks on and take a break for 12 weeks (TRT dose) then blast again

Your lipids need time to recover and continuously fucking them for barely any more muscle isn’t a good tradeoff

u cant disprove anything i said, it is all completely logical but i understand u are incapabale of thinking for urself and have to mindless follow ur utter retard of a coach

 

[Eversor]

BRB hammering my LDL and hemocrit for just 2 pounds more lean contractile brah

i said base ur cycle off of ur blood markers, retard

and "muh 2 pounds more lean contractile brah" is also a retard-tier statement

 

[Eversor]

Have you been on cycle?

i would never cycle, only blast and cruise

OR WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT?

500 mg test

 

[Eversor]

I see, I thought about same, he is advocating this shit like it's soem candy, it's about persons health.
muhh do it before your blood work is good, just fuck yourself up when you do not need to theory.
Thanks for basic info man, I will research further, I m planning to pin in july to get that hot, aesthetic summer body for august, so I have plenty time. yet again thanks

u wont see major improvement in 1 month

 

[Laqi]

i would never cycle, only blast and cruise

500 mg test

why blast and cruise thought?
Like from one cycle how much muscle am I expected to keep?

Also about fertility, will not cruising make you infertile?

 

[Laqi]

u wont see major improvement in 1 month

Il pin in june then

 

[shessonice]

why blast and cruise thought?
Like from one cycle how much muscle am I expected to keep?

Also about fertility, will not cruising make you infertile?

PCT makes you feel like shit, you will prob lose half ur gains.
i am also blasting and cruising cuz i cant afford feeling like shit while in engineering school.
Your fertility is incredibly resilient when you are young, that is not an issue.

 

[egyptiansub5]

Yeah I’m at like 180 but on AAS we need to get 200+ bc the drugs can make use of more protein

this real? if so do i have to get more protein in

 

[Eversor]

why blast and cruise thought?

ur bloods will recover while cruising without the need to completely come off and feel like shit

Like from one cycle how much muscle am I expected to keep?

majority if blasting and cruising

Also about fertility, will not cruising make you infertile?

basically impossible to become infertile while hcg and hmg exist

but u can run hcg while cruising if u are worried as estrogen wont be an issue then

 

[egyptiansub5]

Thanks man for the info
so my cycle will looks like this now:

Test E 500mg 12 weeks
HGH 4IU 12 weeks ( I heard people say it multiplies gains, but some say that it is mild effect, is it worth the sides to run it?) like risk to result
Duta + RU for hair loss

Do I need AI? aromatisin? I will be carefull with blood tests to make sure I do not end up with gyno, I m not prone but gotta be carefull.
BPC-157

and I m gonna drop HCG as you reccomended.

Also for PCT? Do I need one?

Should I use nolvadex to quickly recover?

u wont do pct tbh just blast and cruise until the next cycle

 

[Laqi]

ur bloods will recover while cruising without the need to completely come off and feel like shit

majority if blasting and cruising

basically impossible to become infertile while hcg and hmg exist

but u can run hcg while cruising if u are worried as estrogen wont be an issue then

I just wanna do one cycle though
This makes me wanna stay natty I do not wanna lifelong commit to Test

 

[Eversor]

I just wanna do one cycle though
This makes me wanna stay natty I do not wanna lifelong commit to Test

if u only want to do one cycle then coming off after is fine, just the majority will want to do another cycle, and u can come off test after blasting and cruising

 

[Eversor]

That guy is one of the worst users here he’s going on my ignore list do the opposite of eveything he says he’s an utter fucking retard

You can run it for 12 weeks 16 or 20

But the safest and highest ROI option is to do 12 weeks on and take a break for 12 weeks (TRT dose) then blast again

Your lipids need time to recover and continuously fucking them for barely any more muscle isn’t a good tradeoff

kind of ironic how the one using an aromatase inhibitor acts like an estrogenic emotional crybaby

 

[decadouche57]

I just wanna do one cycle though
This makes me wanna stay natty I do not wanna lifelong commit to Test

Then don’t blast tbh

 

[reallyripped]

View attachment 4409552

@Bitchwhipper2 @m0ss26 @idealistsynth

Cut 1 pound chicken breast into small pieces

Season with al pastor seasoning

Heat up oil in pan and add chicken

Cook until it’s done

Add to tacos

Add Greek yogurt and buffalo sauce on top

why do you use bundled seasoning you fucking stupid goy, it's a concoction of heavy metals and too much sodium. Just learn how to season and use herbs that add flavor and have benefits, like rosemary. On top of it you're adding fucking buffalo sauce. Learn to cook you fuckinbg goy fag

 

[Eversor]

anyway, no point giving information to someone who will just listen to whoever has more posts on an incel forum

good luck with ur cycle @Laqi

 

[decadouche57]

i said base ur cycle off of ur blood markers, retard

and "muh 2 pounds more lean contractile brah" is also a retard-tier statement

Show evidence that gains continue significantly after week 12

 

[Eversor]

Show evidence that gains continue significantly after week 12

show evidence that gains significantly plateau, u made the claim

 

[decadouche57]

show evidence that gains significantly plateau, u made the claim

ChatGPT + my coach:

Short answer: you’re already close to the ceiling, and running 1g past 12 weeks gives you way more side-effects than extra muscle. Gains don’t totally stop, but the rate falls off a cliff.

Here’s the real breakdown, no fluff:

1. Weeks 1–8 = the “easy gains”

At high test, the first 6–8 weeks are where:

• Nitrogen retention jumps
• Appetite goes up
• Strength skyrockets
• Glycogen storage explodes
  This is why you’ve already put on a ton of size fast.

2. Weeks 8–12 = diminishing returns

You’re still growing, just slower:

• Receptors are already saturated
• Systemic inflammation goes up
• Estrogen + prolactin drift
• Sleep quality drops
• Cortisol rises from overtraining + high androgens

Most guys at 1g/week still gain here, but nowhere near the early phase.

3. Beyond week 12 = cost > benefit

Running 1g+ beyond this point usually means:

• Water retention climbs
• Lipids tank
• HDL hits the floor
• Hematocrit creeps up
• Fatigue increases
• Mood swings and irritability show up
• Joint and connective tissue strain increases (especially with HGH on top)

The muscle gained from weeks 12–16 at 1g is tiny compared to the risk you’re stacking.

4. When long blasts do make sense

Even advanced bodybuilders usually only push a long blast if:

• They’re rotating compounds (test/tren/mast/etc.)
• They’re using a structured periodization
• They’re chasing contest prep levels of fullness

But for test alone, 1g is already doing all it’s going to do by ~12 weeks.


5. What makes more sense

If you want more progression past week 12:

• Lower test to 300–400 mg
• Add a second compound (tren, mast, primo, whatever fits your plan)
• Or go into a recomposition/cut phase with tren + GH (which you already plan)

Rotating compounds gives new stimulus → avoids the plateau feeling.

Bottom line

You can run 1 gram longer than 12 weeks, but the gains slow to a crawl and the health hit spikes. Most people stop around 10–12 weeks because that’s where the “return on investment” flips.

If you want, I can break down exactly how to transition from your 1g + GH phase into your planned cut phase for max results and minimal crash.

 

[Laqi]

Then don’t blast tbh

so do not blast 500mg? how much should I Do then?

 

[Laqi]

anyway, no point giving information to someone who will just listen to whoever has more posts on an incel forum

good luck with ur cycle @Laqi

it's not about post count, more about social proof. I know this guy, his posts and how he does stuff, but It's my first time seeing you.

 

[Eversor]

ChatGPT

all credibility down the drain

 

[decadouche57]

all credibility down the drain

I trust chetgpt more than an ugly fucking incel like you who shows zero evidence and not a single person knows on this forum

Back to my ignore list Rajesh

 

[BigBallsLarry]

@Jason Voorhees This has like 20g of carbs and is very low cals if you use fat free Greek yogurt so can use for weight loss

Why not use protein powers? Specifically isolate?

It's low fat, low calories, low carbs, no luctose.. Only issue being artificial sweeteners but you can buy one without those aswell.

It's the main thing that helps me with cutting. At the start of my journey i also had trouble hitting my protein goals, but after starting to use isolate 180g seems like child's play. Hell, i ate 80g of protein today for breakfast with just dairy and whey isolate (and bananas + berries).

Of course your meal is great and i'm not criticizing it, just wondering why that decision.

 

[decadouche57]

Why not use protein powers? Specifically isolate?

It's low fat, low calories, low carbs, no luctose.. Only issue being artificial sweeteners but you can buy one without those aswell.

It's the main thing that helps me with cutting. At the start of my journey i also had trouble hitting my protein goals, but after starting to use isolate 180g seems like child's play. Hell, i ate 80g of protein today for breakfast with just dairy and whey isolate (and bananas + berries).

Of course your meal is great and i'm not criticizing it, just wondering why that decision.

It’s not an issue it’s just lower in micronutrients and some guys like me can’t handle it without stomach pain

 

[Eversor]

I trust chetgpt more than an ugly fucking incel like you who shows zero evidence and not a single person knows on this forum

i provided logic, ur evidence was chatgpt

Back to my ignore list Rajesh

ironic coming from a turk

 

[BigBallsLarry]

It’s not an issue it’s just lower in micronutrients and some guys like me can’t handle it without stomach pain

Ah yeah i see. I know some people that struggle from acne when using whey so i thought that might be the issue.

Either way, you clearly know your shit so you don't need it.

 

[egyptiansub5]

I just wanna do one cycle though
This makes me wanna stay natty I do not wanna lifelong commit to Test

ur just gonna end up being addicted to the symptoms of high test and never go back

 

[decadouche57]

so do not blast 500mg? how much should I Do then?

No im saying if you blast and then come off test you’ll lose a lot of gains and will be low ROI.

You are better off cruising on trt after

You can PCT if you want but keep in mind you will lose a lot of gains

 

[egyptiansub5]

@decadouche57 should i bump up my dosage to 500mg per week or keep it at 250 until i double around 6 weeks in

 

[decadouche57]

@decadouche57 should i bump up my dosage to 500mg per week or keep it at 250 until i double around 6 weeks in

If you have Aromasin on hand double it now

 

[Eversor]

@decadouche57 should i bump up my dosage to 500mg per week or keep it at 250 until i double around 6 weeks in

increase by 50 mg per week

 

[Laqi]

No im saying if you blast and then come off test you’ll lose a lot of gains and will be low ROI.

You are better off cruising on trt after

You can PCT if you want but keep in mind you will lose a lot of gains

How much of gains are we talking about?
Will I keep 70%?

 

[Laqi]

If you have Aromasin on hand double it now

increase by 50 mg per week