(15' IU'S OF GH WITH PEPTIDES) Growth Hormone vs. CJC-1295/GHRP-6

[Osie]

THIS IS NOT MY INFORMATION. This is a summarized version of DatBTrue's Thread.

TLDR: ​

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:
22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses (100 mcg) of GHRH & GHRP once a day result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.

Comparing GH administration to CJC-1295 administration​

Total GH Release:

When CJC-1295 was administered at 30mcg/kg; 60mcg/kg; 125mcg/kg and 250mcg/kg the total GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were respectively:

AUC: 758, 969, 977, and 1370 ng/ml per hour

Keep in mind that for an 80kg adult, the 30mcg/kg dosing amounts to 2.4mgs of CJC-1295 per week, and the 60mcg/kg dosing amounts to 4.8mgs of CJC-1295. So 2.4 mgs of CJC-1295 produced an AUC of 758 ng/ml per hour.

When synthetic Growth Hormone (Humatrope) was administered at the equivalent of 22iu (in someone weighing 80+ kg) the following GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were reached:

AUC Intramuscular: 495 +/- 106

AUC Subcutaneous: 585 +/- 90

Peak Concentration:

However, the GH release pattern results in a much higher mean maximum concentration for the GH administration than the CJC-1295 administration.
The GH study resulted in peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml.
The CJC-1295 study resulted in dose-respected peaks of 6.6; 9.6; 9.9; 13.3 ng/ml.

Total GH Release:

The Alfonso Leal-Cerro study demonstrated the following GH release:

GHRH by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 1420 ± 330 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 25 ng/ml

GHRP-6 by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 2278 ± 290 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 40 ng/ml

GHRH + GHRP-6 dosed together at 100mcg each resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 7332 ± 592 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 130 ng/ml

The Bowers study demonstrated that a small dose of GHRP (.1mcg/kg) added to a saturation dose of GHRH (1mcg/kg) resulted in the following GH release:

(AUC) 120 minutes = 10,065 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 170 ng/ml

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.


Peak Concentration:

From the graphs, it is easy to see that GHRH+GHRP results in short-term peaks of 80 to 130 ng/ml.
While the synthetic GH study resulted in less pronounced peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml of longer duration.

CONCLUSION:

THOSE SAYING HGH OR NOTHING MIGHT'VE BEEN WRONG. This has been quite interesting. If anyone finds more information from the original thread, please make a thread on here about it as the original one is very long.

 

[Deleted member 26824]

sorry boyo for nobody giving a fuck about your thread. In still appreciate the high effort and it shouldnt be gone unnoticed

 

[Osie]

sorry boyo for nobody giving a fuck about your thread. In still appreciate the high effort and it shouldnt be gone unnoticed

Oh thanks, I just wanted to share this information on the forum as it seemed like many people could find it useful. Sometimes the high-effort threads can be the worst because the information won't be applicable to 90% of the forum.

 

[Deleted member 26824]

Oh thanks, I just wanted to share this information on the forum as it seemed like many people could find it useful. Sometimes the high-effort threads can be the worst because the information won't be applicable to 90% of the forum.

you‘re the real mvp, most people on here dont know anything and don’t contribute to nothing and just abuse the offtopic section with useless threads

 

[Saint Casanova]

Where can I source CJC from ? And what is the cost compared to pharma grade HGH?

 

[Saint Casanova]

you‘re the real mvp, most people on here dont know anything and don’t contribute to nothing and just abuse the offtopic section with useless threads

Everyone’s busy doxxing that stupid kid

 

[Osie]

Where can I source CJC from ? And what is the cost compared to pharma grade HGH?

hit my pm's

 

[eyebagcel]

how to fry your pituitary gland:

 

[Osie]

how to fry your pituitary gland:

your pituitary gland will survive

 

[Sanguinius]

The thing is HGH will always inherently be superior to ghrelin analogs/mimetics

 

[Osie]

The thing is HGH will always inherently be superior to ghrelin analogs/mimetics

In concept yes, but in actual practical application possibly not. This stems from the fact that taking HGH in its literal form shuts down your natural production and makes you produce only one type of HGH (there are four forms). While growth hormone secretagogues upregulate your natural levels while also achieving all the same benefits. It's also deemed as pointless to use more than 6-8 IU's of HGH in any case, closing the gap once again.

I'd always recommend HGH because it's much simpler, however, the correct application of growth hormone secretagogues can lead to the same effects as HGH. It's just that the majority of people taking growth hormone secretagogues don't want HGH-like effects.

 

[Sanguinius]

In concept yes, but in actual practical application possibly not. This stems from the fact that taking HGH in its literal form shuts down your natural production and makes you produce only one type of HGH (there are four forms). While growth hormone secretagogues upregulate your natural levels while also achieving all the same benefits. It's also deemed as pointless to use more than 6-8 IU's of HGH in any case, closing the gap once again.

I'd always recommend HGH because it's much simpler, however, the correct application of growth hormone secretagogues can lead to the same effects as HGH. It's just that the majority of people taking growth hormone secretagogues don't want HGH-like effects.

The high IQ response is appreciated

 

[Deleted member 23391]

I've been saying this and the information has been available for a long time. But people are idiots that keep repeating "MUH PHARM GRADE GH BRO". Keep waiting forever for your pharm grade GH while all your growth plates close when peptides are much more affordable and give you the same results, retards, lol.

 

[Osie]

I've been saying this and the information has been available for a long time. But people are idiots that keep repeating "MUH PHARM GRADE GH BRO". Keep waiting forever for your pharm grade GH while all your growth plates close when peptides are much more affordable and give you the same results, retards, lol.

It sucks how the best information about hormones and shit are on a random forum from 2011.

I get what you mean. People get so amped about growth hormone just because of the name. But I think for the most part that it’s better to get peptides than some chinise or Indian GH

 

[letsdoit]

THIS IS NOT MY INFORMATION. This is a summarized version of DatBTrue's Thread.

TLDR: ​

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:
22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses (100 mcg) of GHRH & GHRP once a day result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.

Comparing GH administration to CJC-1295 administration​

Total GH Release:

When CJC-1295 was administered at 30mcg/kg; 60mcg/kg; 125mcg/kg and 250mcg/kg the total GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were respectively:

AUC: 758, 969, 977, and 1370 ng/ml per hour

View attachment 2248104

Keep in mind that for an 80kg adult, the 30mcg/kg dosing amounts to 2.4mgs of CJC-1295 per week, and the 60mcg/kg dosing amounts to 4.8mgs of CJC-1295. So 2.4 mgs of CJC-1295 produced an AUC of 758 ng/ml per hour.

When synthetic Growth Hormone (Humatrope) was administered at the equivalent of 22iu (in someone weighing 80+ kg) the following GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were reached:

AUC Intramuscular: 495 +/- 106

AUC Subcutaneous: 585 +/- 90

View attachment 2248105

Peak Concentration:

However, the GH release pattern results in a much higher mean maximum concentration for the GH administration than the CJC-1295 administration.
The GH study resulted in peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml.
The CJC-1295 study resulted in dose-respected peaks of 6.6; 9.6; 9.9; 13.3 ng/ml.




View attachment 2248106

View attachment 2248107

Total GH Release:

The Alfonso Leal-Cerro study demonstrated the following GH release:

GHRH by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 1420 ± 330 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 25 ng/ml

GHRP-6 by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 2278 ± 290 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 40 ng/ml

GHRH + GHRP-6 dosed together at 100mcg each resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 7332 ± 592 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 130 ng/ml

The Bowers study demonstrated that a small dose of GHRP (.1mcg/kg) added to a saturation dose of GHRH (1mcg/kg) resulted in the following GH release:

(AUC) 120 minutes = 10,065 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 170 ng/ml

View attachment 2248108

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.


Peak Concentration:

From the graphs, it is easy to see that GHRH+GHRP results in short-term peaks of 80 to 130 ng/ml.
While the synthetic GH study resulted in less pronounced peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml of longer duration.

CONCLUSION:

THOSE SAYING HGH OR NOTHING MIGHT'VE BEEN WRONG. This has been quite interesting. If anyone finds more information from the original thread, please make a thread on here about it as the original one is very long.

Exceed 15iu’s of hgh daily? Wow

 

[Xerryx]

THIS IS NOT MY INFORMATION. This is a summarized version of DatBTrue's Thread.

TLDR: ​

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:
22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses (100 mcg) of GHRH & GHRP once a day result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.

Comparing GH administration to CJC-1295 administration​

Total GH Release:

When CJC-1295 was administered at 30mcg/kg; 60mcg/kg; 125mcg/kg and 250mcg/kg the total GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were respectively:

AUC: 758, 969, 977, and 1370 ng/ml per hour

View attachment 2248104

Keep in mind that for an 80kg adult, the 30mcg/kg dosing amounts to 2.4mgs of CJC-1295 per week, and the 60mcg/kg dosing amounts to 4.8mgs of CJC-1295. So 2.4 mgs of CJC-1295 produced an AUC of 758 ng/ml per hour.

When synthetic Growth Hormone (Humatrope) was administered at the equivalent of 22iu (in someone weighing 80+ kg) the following GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were reached:

AUC Intramuscular: 495 +/- 106

AUC Subcutaneous: 585 +/- 90

View attachment 2248105

Peak Concentration:

However, the GH release pattern results in a much higher mean maximum concentration for the GH administration than the CJC-1295 administration.
The GH study resulted in peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml.
The CJC-1295 study resulted in dose-respected peaks of 6.6; 9.6; 9.9; 13.3 ng/ml.




View attachment 2248106

View attachment 2248107

Total GH Release:

The Alfonso Leal-Cerro study demonstrated the following GH release:

GHRH by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 1420 ± 330 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 25 ng/ml

GHRP-6 by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 2278 ± 290 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 40 ng/ml

GHRH + GHRP-6 dosed together at 100mcg each resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 7332 ± 592 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 130 ng/ml

The Bowers study demonstrated that a small dose of GHRP (.1mcg/kg) added to a saturation dose of GHRH (1mcg/kg) resulted in the following GH release:

(AUC) 120 minutes = 10,065 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 170 ng/ml

View attachment 2248108

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.


Peak Concentration:

From the graphs, it is easy to see that GHRH+GHRP results in short-term peaks of 80 to 130 ng/ml.
While the synthetic GH study resulted in less pronounced peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml of longer duration.

CONCLUSION:

THOSE SAYING HGH OR NOTHING MIGHT'VE BEEN WRONG. This has been quite interesting. If anyone finds more information from the original thread, please make a thread on here about it as the original one is very long.

@Osie I must say, you've been delivering really good content in these threads. Shame that people here prefer shitposts instead.

Just to follow-up on your previous thread about somatostatin inhibition. I had a few questions:

1) When you combine GH secretagogue (25mg MK-677) with the inhibitors you mentioned at appropriate dosages like Alpha-GPC, L-Arginine, Vit B5, L-Lycine ... what's the result in GH (in ng/ml or IU)? If we can at least estimate an answer.

2) I get too bloated and lethargic on 25mg of MK-677. I was thinking of cutting the dose in half. I'm aware that there's not much difference in GH output between 12.5mg and 25mg, so I was wondering if you'd recommend this? Will the somatostatin inhib stack still work?

 

[letsdoit]

Exceed 15iu’s of hgh daily? Wow

If this is the case then it must be better than pharma grade hgh right?

 

[Osie]

If this is the case then it must be better than pharma grade hgh right?

No, because PHARMA grade HGH is much simpler to use, has higher quality, and could lead to fewer complications.
99% of people aren't using to get peptides to get bodybuilder levels of GH and it's much more injections

 

[Osie]

@Osie I must say, you've been delivering really good content in these threads. Shame that people here prefer shitposts instead.

Just to follow-up on your previous thread about somatostatin inhibition. I had a few questions:

1) When you combine GH secretagogue (25mg MK-677) with the inhibitors you mentioned at appropriate dosages like Alpha-GPC, L-Arginine, Vit B5, L-Lycine ... what's the result in GH (in ng/ml or IU)? If we can at least estimate an answer.

2) I get too bloated and lethargic on 25mg of MK-677. I was thinking of cutting the dose in half. I'm aware that there's not much difference in GH output between 12.5mg and 25mg, so I was wondering if you'd recommend this? Will the somatostatin inhib stack still work?

1) I'd say maybe around 2-3 more IU's? That would be my guess roughly as if you use them at the right time, they should be able to applied and used to its maximum ability. It would increase your peak HGH levels by a lot when combined with MK677.

2) Somatostatin inhibition will still work. Somatostatin inhibitors on their own increase HGH levels, so it will synergize with MK677 at any dosage amount. However, everyone has different genetics, so some may have higher somatostatin levels while others may have lower, which define the efficiency and how effectively they'll work.

 

[Deleted member 28722]

okay but what’s the effect on the IGF 1 levels ? Who cares if the IGF 1 levels are shit

 

[Deleted member 26824]

bump :3

 

[Deleted member 30843]

bump :3

i want you

 

[Deleted member 26824]

i want you

Oil yourself up imma be there in a minute

 

[Deleted member 30843]

Oil yourself up imma be there in a minute

okay!!

 

[Inosebreathonly]

The thing is HGH will always inherently be superior to ghrelin analogs/mimetics

1) I'd say maybe around 2-3 more IU's? That would be my guess roughly as if you use them at the right time, they should be able to applied and used to its maximum ability. It would increase your peak HGH levels by a lot when combined with MK677.

2) Somatostatin inhibition will still work. Somatostatin inhibitors on their own increase HGH levels, so it will synergize with MK677 at any dosage amount. However, everyone has different genetics, so some may have higher somatostatin levels while others may have lower, which define the efficiency and how effectively they'll work.

Bro answer plz mk-677 12.5 mg at morning, 12.5 mg at night or 25 mg at night? Which would be the best..

 

[mog_or_be_mogged]

dnr HGH doesn't work if u don't have an IGF-1 deficiency

 

[wastedspermcel]

@MA_ascender

 

[MA_ascender]

@MA_ascender

50 iu daily with insulin and peptides 5x a day or copemaxx

 

[wastedspermcel]

50 iu daily with insulin and peptides 5x a day or copemaxx

Fry your liver and pituitary gland theory

 

[wastedspermcel]

Fry your liver and pituitary gland theory

Btw bhai where do you plan on ordering your peptides from?

 

[MA_ascender]

Fry your liver and pituitary gland theory

did i send u that thread of a gymcel run 500 mg test everyday, 20 iu hgh and a fuckton of insulin on reddit? lemme find that shit jfl

 

[MA_ascender]

Btw bhai where do you plan on ordering your peptides from?

uk-peptides

 

[wastedspermcel]

did i send u that thread of a gymcel run 500 mg test everyday, 20 iu hgh and a fuckton of insulin on reddit? lemme find that shit jfl

Nah u didnt lmao

 

[wastedspermcel]

uk-peptides

Their prices are good ngl, but do they have 3rd party testing?

 

[MA_ascender]

Their prices are good ngl, but do they have 3rd party testing?

on reddit it seems like their stuff is clean bhaiia

 

[MA_ascender]

Nah u didnt lmao

lemme find ts jfl

 

[Deleted member 116448]

uk-peptides

yo im tryna buy from there too did u buy from there? hows ur experience

 

[Deleted member 77820]

THIS IS NOT MY INFORMATION. This is a summarized version of DatBTrue's Thread.

TLDR: ​

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:
22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses (100 mcg) of GHRH & GHRP once a day result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.

Comparing GH administration to CJC-1295 administration​

Total GH Release:

When CJC-1295 was administered at 30mcg/kg; 60mcg/kg; 125mcg/kg and 250mcg/kg the total GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were respectively:

AUC: 758, 969, 977, and 1370 ng/ml per hour

View attachment 2248104

Keep in mind that for an 80kg adult, the 30mcg/kg dosing amounts to 2.4mgs of CJC-1295 per week, and the 60mcg/kg dosing amounts to 4.8mgs of CJC-1295. So 2.4 mgs of CJC-1295 produced an AUC of 758 ng/ml per hour.

When synthetic Growth Hormone (Humatrope) was administered at the equivalent of 22iu (in someone weighing 80+ kg) the following GH levels (area under the curve (AUC)) were reached:

AUC Intramuscular: 495 +/- 106

AUC Subcutaneous: 585 +/- 90

View attachment 2248105

Peak Concentration:

However, the GH release pattern results in a much higher mean maximum concentration for the GH administration than the CJC-1295 administration.
The GH study resulted in peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml.
The CJC-1295 study resulted in dose-respected peaks of 6.6; 9.6; 9.9; 13.3 ng/ml.




View attachment 2248106

View attachment 2248107

Total GH Release:

The Alfonso Leal-Cerro study demonstrated the following GH release:

GHRH by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 1420 ± 330 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 25 ng/ml

GHRP-6 by itself dosed at 100mcg resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 2278 ± 290 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 40 ng/ml

GHRH + GHRP-6 dosed together at 100mcg each resulted in:
(AUC) 120 minutes = 7332 ± 592 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 130 ng/ml

The Bowers study demonstrated that a small dose of GHRP (.1mcg/kg) added to a saturation dose of GHRH (1mcg/kg) resulted in the following GH release:

(AUC) 120 minutes = 10,065 ng/ml when we convert that to AUC measured in hours we get about: 170 ng/ml

View attachment 2248108

In comparison to synthetic GH administration, we find that:

22iu of synthetic GH results in 495 - 585 ng/ml
Saturation doses of GHRH & GHRP result in 130 - 170 ng/ml

These results indicate that 22iu is between 3.8 and 3.4 more efficacious than a single administration of GHRH & GHRP which means that a single dose of GHRH & GHRP has the potential to produce better than the equivalent of 5iu of GH in plasma.

A dosing protocol of GHRH + GHRP at saturation dose, administered 3 times per day has the potential to exceed the equivalent of 15iu.


Peak Concentration:

From the graphs, it is easy to see that GHRH+GHRP results in short-term peaks of 80 to 130 ng/ml.
While the synthetic GH study resulted in less pronounced peaks of 53 to 63 ng/ml of longer duration.

CONCLUSION:

THOSE SAYING HGH OR NOTHING MIGHT'VE BEEN WRONG. This has been quite interesting. If anyone finds more information from the original thread, please make a thread on here about it as the original one is very long.

Its fucking impossible
Anything over than 6-8 iu no matter how much peptides and supplement you use

 

[Osie]

Its fucking impossible
Anything over than 6-8 iu no matter how much peptides and supplement you use

How? Are you providing studies to back up this claim? Like I don't care if you disagree, but provide evidence backing up your claim!

 

[Deleted member 77820]

How? Are you providing studies to back up this claim? Like I don't care if you disagree, but provide evidence backing up your claim!

What about you showing me studies
Nigga I’ve seen liek dozens bloodwork on reedit of guy using secreataguogues never seen a guy produce more than 5 iu with just petptided mk amino acids sleep fasting somatosotin inhibition bla bla bla basicaly everything you could all that good shit
Even myself at one point When i was 15 peak age for hgh production and my hgh was was probably in the high range cause i was skinny and taller than 95% of my classmates
Maxxed out all peptides and added 1 iu of pharma grade geneotropin guess what my igf-1 was only 600 which is a value you could achieve 6-8 iu of hgh
And i did every fucking thing you could think about to increase hgh all of thay cope shit
And your here telling me oww 100 mg of peptide XYZ is gonna make you produce 15 iu

If it actually did i wouldn’t hgh ever again

 

[Oreone]

What about you showing me studies
Nigga I’ve seen liek dozens bloodwork on reedit of guy using secreataguogues never seen a guy produce more than 5 iu with just petptided mk amino acids sleep fasting somatosotin inhibition bla bla bla basicaly everything you could all that good shit
Even myself at one point When i was 15 peak age for hgh production and my hgh was was probably in the high range cause i was skinny and taller than 95% of my classmates
Maxxed out all peptides and added 1 iu of pharma grade geneotropin guess what my igf-1 was only 600 which is a value you could achieve 6-8 iu of hgh
And i did every fucking thing you could think about to increase hgh all of thay cope shit
And your here telling me oww 100 mg of peptide XYZ is gonna make you produce 15 iu

If it actually did i wouldn’t hgh ever again

How much have you grown in six months?

 

[meathead]

What about you showing me studies
Nigga I’ve seen liek dozens bloodwork on reedit of guy using secreataguogues never seen a guy produce more than 5 iu with just petptided mk amino acids sleep fasting somatosotin inhibition bla bla bla basicaly everything you could all that good shit
Even myself at one point When i was 15 peak age for hgh production and my hgh was was probably in the high range cause i was skinny and taller than 95% of my classmates
Maxxed out all peptides and added 1 iu of pharma grade geneotropin guess what my igf-1 was only 600 which is a value you could achieve 6-8 iu of hgh
And i did every fucking thing you could think about to increase hgh all of thay cope shit
And your here telling me oww 100 mg of peptide XYZ is gonna make you produce 15 iu

If it actually did i wouldn’t hgh ever again

igf1 relationship is not linear

kinda maxes out at ~5ius

15ius or 5ius will produce similar igf1 levels

this whole thread is stupid

 

[Deleted member 77820]

igf1 relationship is not linear

kinda maxes out at ~5ius

15ius or 5ius will produce similar igf1 levels

this whole thread is stupid

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10580755/

 

[Deleted member 77820]

How? Are you providing studies to back up this claim? Like I don't care if you disagree, but provide evidence backing up your claim!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10580755/

 

[meathead]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10580755/

?

for single dosage it agrees with me

cant compare each day cuz threre only one

even mpmd came to the conclusion that igf1 maxes out pretty fast

 

[Deleted member 77820]

?

for single dosage it agrees with me

cant compare each day cuz threre only one
View attachment 3438062
even mpmd came to the conclusion that igf1 maxes out pretty fast

Juat so they get an idea…..

 

[meathead]

Juat so they get an idea…..

then post the picture as if they would read the study

 

[Deleted member 77820]

then post the picture as if they would read the study

I do not help normies jfl
Im sick and tired to have to explain myself every second
Like whenever i wanna introduce something no one give a fuck
So from now one i would help 2 categories of people Normies who wanna learn and don’t act like they know everything because muhh this muhh i saw that video or the top 0.01% of this forum that is actually capable of reading studies and i could interact with

 

[meathead]

I do not help normies jfl
Im sick and tired to have to explain myself every second
Like whenever i wanna introduce something no one give a fuck
So from now one i would help 2 categories of people Normies who wanna learn and don’t act like they know everything because muhh this muhh i saw that video or the top 0.01% of this forum that is actually capable of reading studies and i could interact with

yeaa kinda agree

mods need to delete more trash and ban stupid people

 

[Deleted member 77820]

yeaa kinda agree

mods need to delete more trash and ban stupid people

Btw what are your thoughts on Sertaline i have it on hand currently