16 first cycle and pin schedule lmk if stack is chill

[kiwifruity]

looking for any and all advice. im 16 74 kg looking for bone mass strictly, wouldnt mind gains though of course

15 week cycle
test cyp 350mg a week 50 mg everyday

400mg eq eod

hgh 5-8iu ed

aromasin 6.25-12.5 twice a week if needed

hcg 300iu every 2 days stopping 1 week before pct

for pct
nolvadex 40mg a day for 2 weeks, 20 mg a day for 2 weeks, 10 mg a day for 2 weeks

enclo 25mg daily for 6 weeks

10mg accutane ed

 

[kiwifruity]

bump

 

[bignigga]

looking for any and all advice. im 16 74 kg looking for bone mass strictly, wouldnt mind gains though of course

15 week cycle
test cyp 350mg a week 50 mg everyday

400mg eq eod

hgh 5-8iu ed

aromasin 6.25-12.5 twice a week if needed

hcg 300iu every 2 days stopping 1 week before pct

for pct
nolvadex 40mg a day for 2 weeks, 20 mg a day for 2 weeks, 10 mg a day for 2 weeks

enclo 25mg daily for 6 weeks

10mg accutane ed

Change the test ester to either enanthate or Propionate, ditch the EQ (can up the test to 500)

 

[unon]

looking for any and all advice. im 16 74 kg looking for bone mass strictly, wouldnt mind gains though of course

This is cope I'm sowwy most things wouldn't give you bone mass

15 week cycle
test cyp 350mg a week 50 mg everyday

Test cyp I would switch to propionate
If we look at the bell cuve here the test c takes far longer to become stable in the blood stream
This is 50mg per day for 16 weeks it takes ABT 4 weeks to be stable

Test p

This is dose at 50 mg per day
Almost instantly more stable

The main reason you want to switch to short ester is stability and active time if you were on long esters you would have needed to wait like a month before you were able to start pct

And with short ester it you would only need to wait a few days

But this original cycle was meant for blasting and cruising

400mg eq eod

I don't like because it's a long ester it would have been great if you were blasting then cruising which your not doing for some reason

hgh 5-8iu ed

Yea this is good

aromasin 6.25-12.5 twice a week if needed

You would need

hcg 300iu every 2 days stopping 1 week before pct

As I said before your using long esters if you stick with test c you will need to continue for a while

for pct
nolvadex 40mg a day for 2 weeks, 20 mg a day for 2 weeks, 10 mg a day for 2 weeks

The modern approach is just to use elcomiphene

enclo 25mg daily for 6 weeks

You should do this instead

10mg accutane ed

Recommend cycle I really didn't go indept because I think it far better to blast and cruise but for your goal this is the best option
Weeks 1-8: Base Injectables

Testosterone Propionate: 50-75mg daily
NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate): 75-100mg daily

Weeks 1-4: Oral
Dianabol (Dbol): 40mg ED (split 20mg 2x/day with meals) I recommend upping the aromatase inhibitor here when on d-bol as it aromatises quite a bit

Weeks 5-8 tren

Trenbolone Acetate: 25mg daily or 50mg EOD


Every day
HGH - 4-8 iu
Recommend taking beberine and injecting at night no carbs

Aromasin: 6.25-12.5mg EOD (Dbol aromatizes more; keep estradiol in check via bloods).

Cabergoline: 0.25mg 2x/week (if using Tren/NPP).

HCG: 250-500 IU 2-3x/week.

Liver Support: NAC 1,200mg + TUDCA 750mg + Milk Thistle 300mg ED (increased TUDCA for Dbol's potency).

Monitoring: Bloods pre, week 3 (liver focus), week 8, post-PCT. Watch for bloating/acne.

Add 10mg accutane


Supplements

Zinc 30mg, Magnesium 400mg, Creatine 5g, Fish Oil 4-6g.

Add CoQ10 200mg, Taurine 3g, Berberine 500mg 3x/day.

PCT (Start 2-3 Days Post-Last Injection)

Enclomiphene: 25mg ED weeks 1-6.

Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20mg weeks 1-4.

hCG: 1,000 IU EOD weeks 1-2 if needed if you're balls are ok no need


Blood work
Pre-Cycle Baseline Bloods

Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG.

Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN.

Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.

Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit)


Mid-Cycle Bloods (Week 4: After Dbol Phase)

Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG. You could add igf 1 levels



Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN. I recommend looking for any sings of liver stress and treat accoudly


Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.



Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin,
Hematocrit) if you're blood pressure is high I recommend cialis 10mg daily

End-of-Cycle Bloods (Week 8: Before PCT)


Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG.



Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN.



Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.



Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin,
Hematocrit)



Tbh I don't like "cycle" I rather you blast and cruise as your original cycle was designed for except for the pct part @Grievous thoughts

 

[Zagro]

This is cope I'm sowwy most things wouldn't give you bone mass

Test cyp I would switch to propionate
If we look at the bell cuve here the test c takes far longer to become stable in the blood stream
This is 50mg per day for 16 weeks it takes ABT 4 weeks to be stable

View attachment 4545037

Test p
View attachment 4545042
This is dose at 50 mg per day
Almost instantly more stable

The main reason you want to switch to short ester is stability and active time if you were on long esters you would have needed to wait like a month before you were able to start pct

And with short ester it you would only need to wait a few days

But this original cycle was meant for blasting and cruising


I don't like because it's a long ester it would have been great if you were blasting then cruising which your not doing for some reason

Yea this is good

You would need

As I said before your using long esters if you stick with test c you will need to continue for a while

The modern approach is just to use elcomiphene

You should do this instead



Recommend cycle I really didn't go indept because I think it far better to blast and cruise but for your goal this is the best option
Weeks 1-8: Base Injectables

Testosterone Propionate: 50-75mg daily
NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate): 75-100mg daily

Weeks 1-4: Oral
Dianabol (Dbol): 40mg ED (split 20mg 2x/day with meals) I recommend upping the aromatase inhibitor here when on d-bol as it aromatises quite a bit

Weeks 5-8 tren

Trenbolone Acetate: 25mg daily or 50mg EOD


Every day
HGH - 4-8 iu
Recommend taking beberine and injecting at night no carbs

Aromasin: 6.25-12.5mg EOD (Dbol aromatizes more; keep estradiol in check via bloods).

Cabergoline: 0.25mg 2x/week (if using Tren/NPP).

HCG: 250-500 IU 2-3x/week.

Liver Support: NAC 1,200mg + TUDCA 750mg + Milk Thistle 300mg ED (increased TUDCA for Dbol's potency).

Monitoring: Bloods pre, week 3 (liver focus), week 8, post-PCT. Watch for bloating/acne.

Add 10mg accutane


Supplements

Zinc 30mg, Magnesium 400mg, Creatine 5g, Fish Oil 4-6g.

Add CoQ10 200mg, Taurine 3g, Berberine 500mg 3x/day.

PCT (Start 2-3 Days Post-Last Injection)

Enclomiphene: 25mg ED weeks 1-6.

Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20mg weeks 1-4.

hCG: 1,000 IU EOD weeks 1-2 if needed if you're balls are ok no need


Blood work
Pre-Cycle Baseline Bloods

Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG.

Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN.

Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.

Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit)


Mid-Cycle Bloods (Week 4: After Dbol Phase)

Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG. You could add igf 1 levels



Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN. I recommend looking for any sings of liver stress and treat accoudly


Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.



Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin,
Hematocrit) if you're blood pressure is high I recommend cialis 10mg daily

End-of-Cycle Bloods (Week 8: Before PCT)


Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG.



Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN.



Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.



Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin,
Hematocrit)



Tbh I don't like "cycle" I rather you blast and cruise as your original cycle was designed for except for the pct part @Grievous thoughts

Are you using artificial intelligence perhaps

 

[unon]

Are you using artificial intelligence perhaps

Not really more like looking through forums and notes the only AI to write the blood work+ my writing tbh I wanted to add more to the blood like C-reactive protein (CRP), but then the blood work would have been to expensive I also would have like added sensative E2 test and prolactin
So from week 4 blood test I should have gone more in-depth on the liver mainly because d-bol is very liver toxic the blood work was half ai because I was lazy

Everything else was written by me

 

[Zagro]

Not really more like looking through forums and notes the only AI to write the blood work+ my writing tbh I wanted to add more to the blood like C-reactive protein (CRP), but then the blood work would have been to expensive I also would have like added sensative E2 test and prolactin
So from week 4 blood test I should have gone more in-depth on the liver mainly because d-bol is very liver toxic the blood work was half ai because I was lazy
View attachment 4547174
Everything else was written by me

Oh yeah makes sense good shit man my intentions weren't to be rude or anything

 

[unon]

Oh yeah makes sense good shit man my intentions weren't to be rude or anything

Nah all good also I like you GH thread

 

[Zagro]

Nah all good also I like you GH thread

Thank you although it's very bad needs an update

 

[kiwifruity]

This is cope I'm sowwy most things wouldn't give you bone mass

Test cyp I would switch to propionate
If we look at the bell cuve here the test c takes far longer to become stable in the blood stream
This is 50mg per day for 16 weeks it takes ABT 4 weeks to be stable

View attachment 4545037

Test p
View attachment 4545042
This is dose at 50 mg per day
Almost instantly more stable

The main reason you want to switch to short ester is stability and active time if you were on long esters you would have needed to wait like a month before you were able to start pct

And with short ester it you would only need to wait a few days

But this original cycle was meant for blasting and cruising


I don't like because it's a long ester it would have been great if you were blasting then cruising which your not doing for some reason

Yea this is good

You would need

As I said before your using long esters if you stick with test c you will need to continue for a while

The modern approach is just to use elcomiphene

You should do this instead



Recommend cycle I really didn't go indept because I think it far better to blast and cruise but for your goal this is the best option
Weeks 1-8: Base Injectables

Testosterone Propionate: 50-75mg daily
NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate): 75-100mg daily

Weeks 1-4: Oral
Dianabol (Dbol): 40mg ED (split 20mg 2x/day with meals) I recommend upping the aromatase inhibitor here when on d-bol as it aromatises quite a bit

Weeks 5-8 tren

Trenbolone Acetate: 25mg daily or 50mg EOD


Every day
HGH - 4-8 iu
Recommend taking beberine and injecting at night no carbs

Aromasin: 6.25-12.5mg EOD (Dbol aromatizes more; keep estradiol in check via bloods).

Cabergoline: 0.25mg 2x/week (if using Tren/NPP).

HCG: 250-500 IU 2-3x/week.

Liver Support: NAC 1,200mg + TUDCA 750mg + Milk Thistle 300mg ED (increased TUDCA for Dbol's potency).

Monitoring: Bloods pre, week 3 (liver focus), week 8, post-PCT. Watch for bloating/acne.

Add 10mg accutane


Supplements

Zinc 30mg, Magnesium 400mg, Creatine 5g, Fish Oil 4-6g.

Add CoQ10 200mg, Taurine 3g, Berberine 500mg 3x/day.

PCT (Start 2-3 Days Post-Last Injection)

Enclomiphene: 25mg ED weeks 1-6.

Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20mg weeks 1-4.

hCG: 1,000 IU EOD weeks 1-2 if needed if you're balls are ok no need


Blood work
Pre-Cycle Baseline Bloods

Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG.

Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN.

Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.

Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit)


Mid-Cycle Bloods (Week 4: After Dbol Phase)

Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG. You could add igf 1 levels



Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN. I recommend looking for any sings of liver stress and treat accoudly


Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.



Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin,
Hematocrit) if you're blood pressure is high I recommend cialis 10mg daily

End-of-Cycle Bloods (Week 8: Before PCT)


Hormones: Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, Estradiol (E2), Prolactin, SHBG.



Liver/Kidney: ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, Creatinine, eGFR, BUN.



Lipids: Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides.



Blood Health: CBC (Complete Blood Count: RBC, Hemoglobin,
Hematocrit)



Tbh I don't like "cycle" I rather you blast and cruise as your original cycle was designed for except for the pct part @Grievous thoughts

yoo thank you for all of that, why make the cycle 8 weeks instead of recommended 12 at least? and i dont wanna cruise cus i wanna keep my natural production n not be on trt for life and why not do enclo n novla

 

[unon]

yoo thank you for all of that, why make the cycle 8 weeks instead of recommended 12 at least?

Because of health and your doing orals with this I estimate 20-30ib lean muscle with this stack

and i dont wanna cruise cus i wanna keep my natural production n not be on trt for life and

Nah you don't need to be on trt for life

why not do enclo n novla

I said to do those especially enclo

 

[kiwifruity]

thanks bro ill def look into that routine, anymore tips very appreciated

 

[kiwifruity]

Because of health and your doing orals with this I estimate 20-30ib lean muscle with this stack

Nah you don't need to be on trt for life

I said to do those especially enclo

are u saying to do a cruise so i can multiple cycles? cus im only tryna do one depending on results

 

[unon]

are u saying to do a cruise so i can multiple cycles? cus im only tryna do one depending on results

Well it's optional to blast and cruise but you could do the cycle I listed and after you done that consider blasting and cruising

 

[kiwifruity]

and why do dbol, isnt it not worth it as it has heaps or water retention and aromatises heaps?