16 year old beginner steroid cycle UPDATED (TEST/TREN/MAST/HGH)

[muhammad18347]

i wont get bloods done

Inb4 death

 

[MantisMan]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

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tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

How to shrink your balls

 

[Nardicus101]

when has literally anyone ever claimed that hgh increases mps, or that gh monotherapy will yield any amount of growth whatsoever

I never laughed so hard in my life,
You do realize for hypertophy n contractile tissue to even happen, MPS must occur right ??
so by you admitting that GH doesnt increase MPS, your also admitting it doesnt build more contractile tissue

igf-1 itself works by binding to itself and thereafter activating pi3k & mtor which is legitimately the main mechanism for the true assembly of proteins & amino acids

Blah Blah Blah, mechanism that where already tested that lead to nothing as ive show above in replies
The IGF-1 pathway isnt a pathway you can just push for more gain's, doesnt work like that.

aas on its own forces existing muscle fiber nuclei to grow which puts a practical cap on fiber growth whilst hgh blah blah blah -> satellite cell activation or whatever the fuck -> donating more nuclei to said muscle fiber to facilitate more growth from your anabolics

Does this translate to more contractile tissue tho ?

Even if GH increases satellite cell activity, why would those additional satellite cells only become only relevant in AAS users????
AAS don’t create an entirely new hypertrophy pathway rather they amplify existing pathway's

(idk how tbh but feel free to fact check ^^)

f you add more cups without any more water, fuckall will happen

Matter of fact I will use your cup analogy to drill this in your head:

Let's say your on 500 Test + 0 HGH
= 3 Cups

500 Test + 6IU GHG
= 5 cups

Your basically saying GH makes the cups, n AAS fills these cup's which means more muscle right ?

But what if a Natty was running 8IU HGH:
= 8 cups from GH

Why would the natty not grow more ?, do ROID's access cups that natties cant access ? n if they do could prove this ? cause last time I checked natties can grow muscle too, so wouldnt they jus fill the cups slower ?

Cause as we know, GH is not Selective towards muscle, and on top of that, AAS jus amplify existing pathway's so in theory a Natty could grow even more on GH but jus slower.
So why does every study where natty takes GH lead to 0 contractile muscle gained ?????

do you seriously think that ifbb caliber bodybuilders are blasting 20iu+ gh w/ no slin for hypertrophy? no, its for the nutrient partioning effect alone you fucking retarded pig

Strawmanning my point, when did I ever mention nurtrient partioning ???? where talking about building contractile tissue, JFL at you shifting the goal post to sound right.

Most of them arent the most intelligent to begin with, they go off bro-science n take advice from hyper responder's with good genetics thinking theyll look like them after taking advice from them.

fucking ironic, you're ignoring THOUSANDS anecdotes RELEVANT to the content of peds and going off of studies IRRELEVANT to this.

HGH increase glycogen, which make more water stored in muscle, this is going to artificially make the muscle look bigger
They see this in the mirror n think GH gave me more muscle when in reality it gave you a small temporary glycogen pump.

im sure you're just smarter than everyone else bro, nobody else has ever discovered your 2 shitty pubmed studies or ever thought of this

can you even articulate how utterly retarded you sound right now?

I destroyed your own logic with your own analogy

 

[solasol]

mirin bro
im gonna run similar stack after summer too w/o bloods at 17

 

[cleanrs]

wh

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

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tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

where are the ancillaries?

recommend telmi nebiv p5p tudca nac ezetimibe or rosuvastatin taurine and more

 

[unkownserbianslayer]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

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tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

why would you make something decent like this and be retarded and not to blood work atleast do It to dose ai

 

[saintsyard]

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

 

[ltnchang]

yes 4ius is there a problem?

Why run tren. Seems not worth cause of the sides, js run test instead

 

[ltnchang]

yes 4ius is there a problem?

Why run tren. Seems not worth cause of the sides, js run test

 

[Deleted member 271616]

im too young id have to wait a year

same brah idk how to get around it

 

[zennn]

same brah idk how to get around it

I will get bloods done

Why run tren. Seems not worth cause of the sides, js run test

Microdose tren has extremely good roi only iqlets can’t run tren

 

[ltnchang]

Microdose tren has extremely good roi only iqlets can’t run tren

Tell me how tren goes. I cant get bloods so prob wont take it

 

[tokyo01010]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

View attachment 5252694



View attachment 5252698



tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

might copy your cycle ngl, mirin brah

 

[NorWayItsOver]

ill get bloods done, decision is locked in

Whats the plan to not get roidblocked by your parents?

 

[zennn]

Whats the plan to not get roidblocked by your parents?

They let me use peptides that’s a huge Advantage, so I’ll just hide the roids in my closet and wear like hoodies everyday so they don’t notice my physique I’ll also tell them the bloodwork is because of the peptides to be „safe“

 

[TheOsei]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

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View attachment 5252698



tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

This is a shit stack
and why is gh only 4iu
Fucking idiot

 

[zennn]

This is a shit stack
and why is gh only 4iu
Fucking idiot

List reasons you stupid nigger and 4ius has been working extremely fine for me

 

[TheOsei]

List reasons you stupid nigger and 4ius has been working extremely fine for me

No shit gh has felt fine its literally less than a natty 17yos production
Test is weak and a waste for dimo at ur age and tren dose is tiny

Ancls choice overall is stupid oemga3 isn't saving your lipids barely touches triglycerides, chose NAC of all things for cysteine and ROS, no t3, nothing for aldosterone wtf

 

[NorWayItsOver]

They let me use peptides that’s a huge Advantage, so I’ll just hide the roids in my closet and wear like hoodies everyday so they don’t notice my physique I’ll also tell them the bloodwork is because of the peptides to be „safe“

W parents

 

[Jaotheltn]

Test?

so youre just running a shitty prohormone?

nah just kidding looks good, just keep the test veeeery low if youre going for height

Edit: just read and idk if youre going for height but the low gh will just stunt it.

how low of test doses if your going for height? and how many ius of hgh is needed to get actual height gains

 

[Jaotheltn]

I never laughed so hard in my life,
You do realize for hypertophy n contractile tissue to even happen, MPS must occur right ??
so by you admitting that GH doesnt increase MPS, your also admitting it doesnt build more contractile tissue


Blah Blah Blah, mechanism that where already tested that lead to nothing as ive show above in replies
The IGF-1 pathway isnt a pathway you can just push for more gain's, doesnt work like that.

Does this translate to more contractile tissue tho ?View attachment 5363684
Even if GH increases satellite cell activity, why would those additional satellite cells only become only relevant in AAS users????
AAS don’t create an entirely new hypertrophy pathway rather they amplify existing pathway's


Matter of fact I will use your cup analogy to drill this in your head:

Let's say your on 500 Test + 0 HGH
= 3 Cups

500 Test + 6IU GHG
= 5 cups

Your basically saying GH makes the cups, n AAS fills these cup's which means more muscle right ?

But what if a Natty was running 8IU HGH:
= 8 cups from GH

Why would the natty not grow more ?, do ROID's access cups that natties cant access ? n if they do could prove this ? cause last time I checked natties can grow muscle too, so wouldnt they jus fill the cups slower ?

Cause as we know, GH is not Selective towards muscle, and on top of that, AAS jus amplify existing pathway's so in theory a Natty could grow even more on GH but jus slower.
So why does every study where natty takes GH lead to 0 contractile muscle gained ?????

Strawmanning my point, when did I ever mention nurtrient partioning ???? where talking about building contractile tissue, JFL at you shifting the goal post to sound right.

Most of them arent the most intelligent to begin with, they go off bro-science n take advice from hyper responder's with good genetics thinking theyll look like them after taking advice from them.


HGH increase glycogen, which make more water stored in muscle, this is going to artificially make the muscle look bigger
They see this in the mirror n think GH gave me more muscle when in reality it gave you a small temporary glycogen pump.

I destroyed your own logic with your own analogy

damn high iq nga

 

[zennn]

how low of test doses if your going for height? and how many ius of hgh is needed to get actual height gains

Varies from person to person maybe 60-100

 

[foidsraped0]

minimum order for roids is 300$ so around there for that

anchillaries i also expect a good 200-300$

Im getting my shit for like 60$ full test blast and ancillaries no ru tho and for another 60$ I can get var for a 7 week blast, no tren bc no ru should I do it?

 

[zennn]

Yes and just use kx-826 0.9% instead of ru

 

[zennn]

Im getting my shit for like 60$ full test blast and ancillaries no ru tho and for another 60$ I can get var for a 7 week blast, no tren bc no ru should I do it?

Yes and just use kx-826 0.9% instead of ru

Shit dude my wifi is so bad rn I didn’t even press respond

 

[CalvinAscends]

Add Sodium Butyrate
Miletta, M. C., Petkovic, V., Eblé, A., Ammann, R. A., Flück, C. E., & Mullis, P. E. (2014). Butyrate increases intracellular calcium levels and enhances growth hormone release from rat anterior pituitary cells via the G-protein-coupled receptors GPR41 and 43. PloS one, 9(10), e107388. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0107388
study

 

[yungangel78]

Yes and just use kx-826 0.9% instead of ru

RU mogs kx-826

 

[zennn]

RU mogs kx-826

No

 

[shortmanlett]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

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tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

DNR bloodwork

 

[Bipolar2Cel]

Most guys will be bald by mid 20s on this stack.

 

[brushstrokecrusader]

mirin

 

[troilytrinity]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

View attachment 5252694



View attachment 5252698



tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

Ru 58841 inhibits the 5ar which means It only blocks balding caused by dht and NOT TREN

 

[zennn]

Ru 58841 inhibits the 5ar which means It only blocks balding caused by dht and NOT TREN

im using pyrilutamide 0.9% and i threw out the tren swapped it with eq

 

[grymhackare]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

View attachment 5252694



View attachment 5252698



tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

Why not just use arimidex to not be bloated on 350mg test

 

[grymhackare]

UPDATED: My Journey at 17 ​

---

Hey everyone,

Some of you might remember my very first thread ("16 year old beginner steroid cycle"). i was a little retarded and wanted to run 200mg test e and 6-8iu hgh.

https://looksmax.org/threads/16-year-old-beginner-steroid-cycle.2107061/

Here is my final roadmap for the next 6 months:​

---

Spoiler: Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

Seeing how i tolerate Gear (Months 1–3)

For the first 12 weeks, the focus is on building a solid foundation of lean tissue and letting the HGH fully saturate. A temporary water bloat in the face is consciously accepted during this phase.

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): 350 mg / week
Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

Dimorphism Cut (Months 4–6)

At week 13, the protocol shifts completely. Testosterone is dropped to trt dose to crush estrogen conversion, flushing out all facial bloating and subcutaneous water. Masteron combined with a micro dose of Tren will be deployed

Testosterone Enanthate (Test E): Dropped to 140 mg / week (TRT base to eliminate Estrogen + Tren Prolactin/Progesterone synergy/Gyno risk)

Masteron Propionate (Mast P): 200 mg / week (Short ester used as an immediate emergency rip cord in case of DHT sides)

Trenbolon Acetate (Tren A): 70 mg / week (Microdose for maximum hardness and nutrient partitioning with minimal psychological impact)

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): Continued at 4 IU / daily

---

Spoiler: Ancillaries

Ancillaries

1. Daily Baseline Support (Preventative Protocol)
These are deployed from Day 1 to proactively protect cardiovascular health, organs, and joints.

T4: for thyroid, 50mcg / daily

Magnesium glycinate: 400mg / daily

Retatrutide: microdosed at 1-2mg / weekly
for insulin sensitivity and bloodpressure

Telmisartan: 40 mg / daily
Crucial for cardiovascular protection. It blocks the AT1 receptor, manages blood pressure (vital on HGH and Trenbolone), protects renal function, and improves insulin sensitivity.

Vitex (Chasteberry): 400 mg / daily
Deployed immediately at the start of Phase 2. Functions as a natural dopamine agonist to keep Tren induced prolactin spikes in check, preventing prolactin based gyno and mood swings.

BPC-157 & TB-500: 500 mcg daily (BPC) / 3.5 mg weekly (TB)
Synergizes with HGH to keep tendons and joints fully lubricated and repaired once Estrogen drops in Phase 2.

High Dose Omega3: 4g / daily
Essential for endothelial and lipid protection, as both Tren and Masteron heavily skew HDL/LDL ratios.

TUDCA / NAC: 500 mg TUDCA / 1200 mg NAC / daily
Liver support to manage stress from injectable compounds and overall metabolic load.

Aromasin (Exemestan) 12.5 mg (half a tablet) every 3 to 4 days until symptoms clear.
to monitor e2, the testosterone aromatizes.

Cabergolin (Caber) 0.25 mg to 0.5 mg once a week (usually 1-2 doses are enough to reset the baseline).
When to use:** If prolactin completely bypasses Vitex protection (symptoms: nipple lactation, extreme lethargy, sudden ED). Extremely potent compound.

Berberine 500 mg of Berberine taken before high carb meals.
for insulin sensitivity.

Spoiler: Ancillaries

---

2. Hair Loss Prevention
Since Masteron and Trenbolon are highly androgenic and cannot be blocked by oral Finasteride, a direct topical approach at the scalp level is required.

RU58841 (Topical Anti Androgen) 50 mg / daily
The most critical compound for this specific stack. It acts as a topical androgen receptor antagonist on the scalp. It physically blocks Masteron and Trenbolon from binding to your hair follicles without altering your systemic hormones.

Ketoconazole Shampoo (Nizoral 2%) 2-3x / week
A mild topical anti androgen and anti fungal. It helps clear scalp inflammation and removes local DHT/androgen buildup from the scalp surface. Leave it in for 5-10 minutes before rinsing.

Oral Minoxidil: 5 mg / daily​

i wont get bloods done but nothing ever happens anyway jfl

View attachment 5252694



View attachment 5252698



tell me what to improve please its still under construction

Spoiler: tags

@buccalfatremoval @lumified @Paul.jnxy @anondude @Stalker

​

"wont get bloods done" literal recipe for disaster

 

[ethan windsor]

tren source?

 

[zennn]

tren source?

Every fucking gear source has tren bro

 

[ethan windsor]

Every fucking gear source has tren bro

so are you going to provide anything valuable or no

 

[total normie death]

i know

 

[neverant]

.