17k saved up into surgery fund thus far; a big change to my hardmaxxing plans; general life update

[Acquiescence]

Tl;dr: Making my peace with the limitations of my situation, and focusing on improving what and when and where I can: getting back into trade labor work later this year; maintaining previously ironed-out softmaxxes and anti-aging protocols; continuing to save up money for trimax + implants in 2026 and HT + potential soft tissue work in 2027; heightfrauding 5’10” - > 6’1”; agefrauding early 20s; geomaxxing; ultimately though, just knowing when to call it quits (if all of the above fails) and going full LDAR

Buckle up, another long one, dnrcels need not apply

Started with less than $500 in the surgery fund, back when I made this account in Sept 2024. Will hit 30k by year’s end and will keep going well into 2026, until I’ve hit at least ~50k. Might ultimately need more though, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there

Previous plans were peak PSL autism: OBO, Tripod, LL, Clavicle Lengthening, Trimax, etc

Now, I’m just going to aim for an 80/20 ROI based upon a reasonable balance of expected aesthetic gains with expected improved treatment IRL + cost + risk.

That means trimax + saddled infra-malars at the least, but perhaps drop down supras and some minor soft tissue work as well (primarily for the eye area and lips, but because the above procedures might positively affect the soft tissue support in those areas, I’ll be holding off for now). Then, a HT for stronger temple points and a straight NW0 hairline if I ever get tired of curly fringe hairline frauding my NW2.

Will be consulting with both Ramieri and Pagnoni, and going with the ascension plan I feel is best. I’ll be emphasizing the need for natural-looking, harmonious results that mesh well with my base, rather than shooting for some theoretical, maximal, peak PSL over-advanced features.

Aiming for sometime in 2026 to get the trimax + implants. Then sometime in 2027 for HT + soft tissue work.

Will also be perma heightfrauding with Amnesia-style lifts from 5’10” -> 6’1” (and also taking a page out his agefrauding book and claiming early 20s for as long as possible)

All other softmaxxes and anti-aging contingencies I currently do/have planned out are staying the same: healthy-ish lifestyle, spf, taz, dut, min, dysport, co2 laser, beard and body laser hair removal, teeth whitening, and rejuvenation procedures like face lift + fat grafting or frauds like hair dye as needed

Hopefully I can get to at least MTN from my current LTN. MTN + white + frauded 6’1” + frauded youth + frauded NT should be enough to have an acceptable SMV floor for geomaxxing

Getting back into the skilled trades later this year, which will enable me to take extensive time off for both surgeries and geomaxxing

Might have to link up with a brocel IRL once post ascension, fly out to Vegas, get drunk on the strip, then go our respective ways and grind XP with prozzies to get over the mentalcel block beforehand though JFL

Will not be getting married or having kids. Instead, I just want to reach a looks threshold where I can experience a couple ONS, and maybe even try out an LTR or two, based upon mutual genuine attraction with ~LTB-MTBs, before I’m completely aged out of the game by Father Time. Will all have to be done strictly during oh-so-limited weekends / vacations at bars, clubs, on OLD, etc though, as free time and energy as a wagie are heavily limited

But if I can’t achieve even that, instead of falling ever further down the surgery rabbit hole, at some point I’ll just admit total defeat and go full LDAR, focusing on shoring up my baseline comfort levels and riding out this life till the bitter end as least-painfully as I can

I’ve made my peace with the fact I’ll forevermore be an abused dog, pessimistic, ND, average salary wageslave, yearning for a life re-do that will never come, even if surgery goes well. So long as I stay tethered to that reality, a realistic ascension might still occur

That’s all for now buddy boyos. Will post my surgical plans once I get that sorted out post consults, and of course the eventual before / afters. Cheers

 

[flatcheck213]

Previous plans were peak PSL autism: OBO, Tripod, LL, Clavicle Lengthening, Trimax, etc

@Lefor3Laser new meat for the giant

 

[flatcheck213]

GL btw, pretty reasonable now

 

[puniteking]

Tl;dr: Making my peace with the limitations of my situation, and focusing on improving what and when and where I can: getting back into trade labor work later this year; maintaining previously ironed-out softmaxxes and anti-aging protocols; continuing to save up money for trimax + implants in 2026 and HT + potential soft tissue work in 2027; heightfrauding 5’10” - > 6’1”; agefrauding early 20s; geomaxxing; ultimately though, just knowing when to call it quits (if all of the above fails) and going full LDAR

Buckle up, another long one, dnrcels need not apply

Started with less than $500 in the surgery fund, back when I made this account in Sept 2024. Will hit 30k by year’s end and will keep going well into 2026, until I’ve hit at least ~50k. Might ultimately need more though, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there

Previous plans were peak PSL autism: OBO, Tripod, LL, Clavicle Lengthening, Trimax, etc

Now, I’m just going to aim for an 80/20 ROI based upon a reasonable balance of expected aesthetic gains with expected improved treatment IRL + cost + risk.

That means trimax + saddled infra-malars at the least, but perhaps drop down supras and some minor soft tissue work as well (primarily for the eye area and lips, but because the above procedures might positively affect the soft tissue support in those areas, I’ll be holding off for now). Then, a HT for stronger temple points and a straight NW0 hairline if I ever get tired of curly fringe hairline frauding my NW2.

Will be consulting with both Ramieri and Pagnoni, and going with the ascension plan I feel is best. I’ll be emphasizing the need for natural-looking, harmonious results that mesh well with my base, rather than shooting for some theoretical, maximal, peak PSL over-advanced features.

Aiming for sometime in 2026 to get the trimax + implants. Then sometime in 2027 for HT + soft tissue work.

Will also be perma heightfrauding with Amnesia-style lifts from 5’10” -> 6’1” (and also taking a page out his agefrauding book and claiming early 20s for as long as possible)

All other softmaxxes and anti-aging contingencies I currently do/have planned out are staying the same: healthy-ish lifestyle, spf, taz, dut, min, dysport, co2 laser, beard and body laser hair removal, teeth whitening, and rejuvenation procedures like face lift + fat grafting or frauds like hair dye as needed

Hopefully I can get to at least MTN from my current LTN. MTN + white + frauded 6’1” + frauded youth + frauded NT should be enough to have an acceptable SMV floor for geomaxxing

Getting back into the skilled trades later this year, which will enable me to take extensive time off for both surgeries and geomaxxing

Might have to link up with a brocel IRL once post ascension, fly out to Vegas, get drunk on the strip, then go our respective ways and grind XP with prozzies to get over the mentalcel block beforehand though JFL

Will not be getting married or having kids. Instead, I just want to reach a looks threshold where I can experience a couple ONS, and maybe even try out an LTR or two, based upon mutual genuine attraction with ~LTB-MTBs, before I’m completely aged out of the game by Father Time. Will all have to be done strictly during oh-so-limited weekends / vacations though, as free time and energy as a wagie are heavily limited

But if I can’t achieve even that, instead of falling ever further down the surgery rabbit hole, at some point I’ll just admit total defeat and go full LDAR, focusing on shoring up my baseline comfort levels and riding out this life till the bitter end as least-painfully as I can

I’ve made my peace with the fact I’ll forevermore be an abused dog, pessimistic, ND, average salary wageslave, yearning for a life re-do that will never come, even if surgery goes well. So long as I stay tethered to that reality, a realistic ascension might still occur

That’s all for now buddy boyos. Will post my surgical plans once I get that sorted out post consults, and of course the eventual before / afters. Cheers

U can get 2.5 inches tibia LL in India from doctor parihar for 18k

Or go to Brazil to doctor Jorge for 9k full jawline implants

 

[Acquiescence]

new meat for the giant

I tried and failed to get a basic consult from Giant since Dec 2023 up until now. That + the reported horrible patient communication and shadiness of working out of Turkey for major osteotomies is what ultimately turned me off.

I don’t want to completely write the guy off, but that is my experience and opinion as of now

 

[davinci]

Will also be perma heightfrauding with Amnesia-style lifts from 5’10” -> 6’1”

how do you achieve this?

 

[slaters]

Tl;dr: Making my peace with the limitations of my situation, and focusing on improving what and when and where I can: getting back into trade labor work later this year; maintaining previously ironed-out softmaxxes and anti-aging protocols; continuing to save up money for trimax + implants in 2026 and HT + potential soft tissue work in 2027; heightfrauding 5’10” - > 6’1”; agefrauding early 20s; geomaxxing; ultimately though, just knowing when to call it quits (if all of the above fails) and going full LDAR

Buckle up, another long one, dnrcels need not apply

Started with less than $500 in the surgery fund, back when I made this account in Sept 2024. Will hit 30k by year’s end and will keep going well into 2026, until I’ve hit at least ~50k. Might ultimately need more though, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there

Previous plans were peak PSL autism: OBO, Tripod, LL, Clavicle Lengthening, Trimax, etc

Now, I’m just going to aim for an 80/20 ROI based upon a reasonable balance of expected aesthetic gains with expected improved treatment IRL + cost + risk.

That means trimax + saddled infra-malars at the least, but perhaps drop down supras and some minor soft tissue work as well (primarily for the eye area and lips, but because the above procedures might positively affect the soft tissue support in those areas, I’ll be holding off for now). Then, a HT for stronger temple points and a straight NW0 hairline if I ever get tired of curly fringe hairline frauding my NW2.

Will be consulting with both Ramieri and Pagnoni, and going with the ascension plan I feel is best. I’ll be emphasizing the need for natural-looking, harmonious results that mesh well with my base, rather than shooting for some theoretical, maximal, peak PSL over-advanced features.

Aiming for sometime in 2026 to get the trimax + implants. Then sometime in 2027 for HT + soft tissue work.

Will also be perma heightfrauding with Amnesia-style lifts from 5’10” -> 6’1” (and also taking a page out his agefrauding book and claiming early 20s for as long as possible)

All other softmaxxes and anti-aging contingencies I currently do/have planned out are staying the same: healthy-ish lifestyle, spf, taz, dut, min, dysport, co2 laser, beard and body laser hair removal, teeth whitening, and rejuvenation procedures like face lift + fat grafting or frauds like hair dye as needed

Hopefully I can get to at least MTN from my current LTN. MTN + white + frauded 6’1” + frauded youth + frauded NT should be enough to have an acceptable SMV floor for geomaxxing

Getting back into the skilled trades later this year, which will enable me to take extensive time off for both surgeries and geomaxxing

Might have to link up with a brocel IRL once post ascension, fly out to Vegas, get drunk on the strip, then go our respective ways and grind XP with prozzies to get over the mentalcel block beforehand though JFL

Will not be getting married or having kids. Instead, I just want to reach a looks threshold where I can experience a couple ONS, and maybe even try out an LTR or two, based upon mutual genuine attraction with ~LTB-MTBs, before I’m completely aged out of the game by Father Time. Will all have to be done strictly during oh-so-limited weekends / vacations at bars, clubs, on OLD, etc though, as free time and energy as a wagie are heavily limited

But if I can’t achieve even that, instead of falling ever further down the surgery rabbit hole, at some point I’ll just admit total defeat and go full LDAR, focusing on shoring up my baseline comfort levels and riding out this life till the bitter end as least-painfully as I can

I’ve made my peace with the fact I’ll forevermore be an abused dog, pessimistic, ND, average salary wageslave, yearning for a life re-do that will never come, even if surgery goes well. So long as I stay tethered to that reality, a realistic ascension might still occur

That’s all for now buddy boyos. Will post my surgical plans once I get that sorted out post consults, and of course the eventual before / afters. Cheers

If you do reach mtn after surgery you can marry a htb as long as you have personality + eyebrows + nice smile

Have you ever thought about any sort of peds to help work in the trades without fucking your physical wellbeing in the future ?
I’d atleast look into peptides to help your body

And your on/looking into an anti hairloss protocol right ?

 

[Acquiescence]

U can get 2.5 inches tibia LL in India from doctor parihar for 18k

Or go to Brazil to doctor Jorge for 9k full jawline implants

Would rather not go to India for LL after what happened to The Looksmaxxing Channel guy. And even if I had the funds for someone like Paley, lifts + passport is probably a much better ROI anyway. Tbh LL is only worth it if you’re giga manlet

And I trust Pagnoni / Ramieri the most out of any other surgeon for lower third work, based upon what I’ve seen

how do you achieve this?

My 4 inch elevator shoe demonstration (Video)

Here is a pair of my 4 inch lift shoes WITH insoles added and a video demonstration of me showing in real time how much height it adds. The lowest point of the shoe to the highest point of the inside insole is 4 inches, the height insole slopes down from heel to toe, then I put in an additional...

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Have you ever thought about any sort of peds to help work in the trades without fucking your physical wellbeing in the future ?
I’d atleast look into peptides to help your body

And your on/looking into an anti hairloss protocol right ?

No I just make sure to be strict about pacing / breaks / proper lifting techniques / ppe / limiting overtime. And sleep, rest etc (when insomnia lets me). Probably still won’t reach retirement without permanent damage though. I’m already feeling it at 23, can’t imagine what 40+ will feel like. Hopefully medical tech improves by then jfl

Been on dut and min for almost a year n a half already. Will take those for life, and if need be, exhaust my donor zone for HTs + dye my hair + get a hair system as a last resort. I refuse to go grey and bald

 

[puniteking]

Would rather not go to India for LL after what happened to The Looksmaxxing Channel guy. And even if I had the funds for someone like Paley, lifts + passport is probably a much better ROI anyway. Tbh LL is only worth it if you’re giga manlet

And I trust Pagnoni / Ramieri the most out of any other surgeon for lower third work, based upon what I’ve seen

My 4 inch elevator shoe demonstration (Video)

Here is a pair of my 4 inch lift shoes WITH insoles added and a video demonstration of me showing in real time how much height it adds. The lowest point of the shoe to the highest point of the inside insole is 4 inches, the height insole slopes down from heel to toe, then I put in an additional...

looksmax.org

No I just make sure to be strict about pacing / breaks / proper lifting techniques / ppe / limiting overtime. And sleep, rest etc (when insomnia lets me). Probably still won’t reach retirement without permanent damage though. I’m already feeling it at 23, can’t imagine what 40+ will feel like. Hopefully medical tech improves by then jfl

Been on dut and min for almost a year n a half already. Will take those for life, and if need be, exhaust my donor zone for HTs + dye my hair + get a hair system as a last resort. I refuse to go grey and bald

Dr parihar was trained by paley he’s very safe he only does LON method tho

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Tl;dr: Making my peace with the limitations of my situation, and focusing on improving what and when and where I can: getting back into trade labor work later this year; maintaining previously ironed-out softmaxxes and anti-aging protocols; continuing to save up money for trimax + implants in 2026 and HT + potential soft tissue work in 2027; heightfrauding 5’10” - > 6’1”; agefrauding early 20s; geomaxxing; ultimately though, just knowing when to call it quits (if all of the above fails) and going full LDAR

Buckle up, another long one, dnrcels need not apply

Started with less than $500 in the surgery fund, back when I made this account in Sept 2024. Will hit 30k by year’s end and will keep going well into 2026, until I’ve hit at least ~50k. Might ultimately need more though, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there

Previous plans were peak PSL autism: OBO, Tripod, LL, Clavicle Lengthening, Trimax, etc

Now, I’m just going to aim for an 80/20 ROI based upon a reasonable balance of expected aesthetic gains with expected improved treatment IRL + cost + risk.

That means trimax + saddled infra-malars at the least, but perhaps drop down supras and some minor soft tissue work as well (primarily for the eye area and lips, but because the above procedures might positively affect the soft tissue support in those areas, I’ll be holding off for now). Then, a HT for stronger temple points and a straight NW0 hairline if I ever get tired of curly fringe hairline frauding my NW2.

Will be consulting with both Ramieri and Pagnoni, and going with the ascension plan I feel is best. I’ll be emphasizing the need for natural-looking, harmonious results that mesh well with my base, rather than shooting for some theoretical, maximal, peak PSL over-advanced features.

Aiming for sometime in 2026 to get the trimax + implants. Then sometime in 2027 for HT + soft tissue work.

Will also be perma heightfrauding with Amnesia-style lifts from 5’10” -> 6’1” (and also taking a page out his agefrauding book and claiming early 20s for as long as possible)

All other softmaxxes and anti-aging contingencies I currently do/have planned out are staying the same: healthy-ish lifestyle, spf, taz, dut, min, dysport, co2 laser, beard and body laser hair removal, teeth whitening, and rejuvenation procedures like face lift + fat grafting or frauds like hair dye as needed

Hopefully I can get to at least MTN from my current LTN. MTN + white + frauded 6’1” + frauded youth + frauded NT should be enough to have an acceptable SMV floor for geomaxxing

Getting back into the skilled trades later this year, which will enable me to take extensive time off for both surgeries and geomaxxing

Might have to link up with a brocel IRL once post ascension, fly out to Vegas, get drunk on the strip, then go our respective ways and grind XP with prozzies to get over the mentalcel block beforehand though JFL

Will not be getting married or having kids. Instead, I just want to reach a looks threshold where I can experience a couple ONS, and maybe even try out an LTR or two, based upon mutual genuine attraction with ~LTB-MTBs, before I’m completely aged out of the game by Father Time. Will all have to be done strictly during oh-so-limited weekends / vacations at bars, clubs, on OLD, etc though, as free time and energy as a wagie are heavily limited

But if I can’t achieve even that, instead of falling ever further down the surgery rabbit hole, at some point I’ll just admit total defeat and go full LDAR, focusing on shoring up my baseline comfort levels and riding out this life till the bitter end as least-painfully as I can

I’ve made my peace with the fact I’ll forevermore be an abused dog, pessimistic, ND, average salary wageslave, yearning for a life re-do that will never come, even if surgery goes well. So long as I stay tethered to that reality, a realistic ascension might still occur

That’s all for now buddy boyos. Will post my surgical plans once I get that sorted out post consults, and of course the eventual before / afters. Cheers

At least you've changed your old surgery plan wich it was autistic, respectfully, this plan feels more realistic, but are you truly recessed to the fact that you need trimax?, how much is your recession and what skeletal class you have?, i may assume that you know about surgeries and their outcome, supraorbital implant should only be considered if your eyes stick out more than your orbitals, that's when it should be done.

Furthermore, osteotomies are meant for normalization rather than chaddification, you'll be better off with implants if you are developed properly.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

I tried and failed to get a basic consult from Giant since Dec 2023 up until now. That + the reported horrible patient communication and shadiness of working out of Turkey for major osteotomies is what ultimately turned me off.

I don’t want to completely write the guy off, but that is my experience and opinion as of now

Trust me, i was on this forum from a long time and i always knew he had something shady going on, he promised that he would make a website with results and stuff, never dropped.

Plus that him not performing in the US (stricter laws) shows that he isn't trustworthy, i feel sorry for people who were Guinea pigs and him testing on them, a lot of botches.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Dr parihar was trained by paley he’s very safe he only does LON method tho

LL is not a joke, surgery in general isn't, in fact, my uncle got it (medical reason) in Sweeden wich you would say that they are pretty advanced and care about their medicine, but guess what, even with extensive care he got infection, if you take a step like this, you'll also have to weight out risk/reward.

 

[Acquiescence]

At least you've changed your old surgery plan wich it was autistic, respectfully, this plan feels more realistic, but are you truly recessed to the fact that you need trimax?, how much is your recession and what skeletal class you have?, i may assume that you know about surgeries and their outcome, supraorbital implant should only be considered if your eyes stick out more than your orbitals, that's when it should be done.

Furthermore, osteotomies are meant for normalization rather than chaddification, you'll be better off with implants if you are developed properly.

Here’s my face for reference ITT:

And here’s my first ever post with multiple photos and my scans:

Current looksmaxxing assessment and future plans | Photos and 3D CT scans included

Stats: 23 yo, 5'10, 160 lbs Face Photos Set 1 (taken further away to convey true facial shape and ratios, little lens distortion): Photo Set 2 (close up shots to show soft tissue and skin details, significant lens distortion): 3D CT Scan of Soft Tissue Video: 3D CT Scan of Facial Bones...

looksmax.org

I’ll be deferring to whichever surgeon I end up going with’s aesthetic eye and professional opinion.

To be fair, I think Ramieri told me once long ago (I sent over a cringemaxxed writeup and face photos way back in the day when I first came across this forum and saw Gaia’s OG jaw surgery threads jfl) that I was a borderline case between bimax and genio, but he’d need to see scans first for a proper take.

I had Invisalign and headgear back in my early teens for a small overbite, would probably need to have that decompensated for trimax

Regardless, I’m going for realistic improvements from appropriate procedures given my base, whether that be full blown jaw surgery or something like genio + jaw angles

 

[sham66]

supraorbital implant should only be considered if your eyes stick out more than your orbitals, that's when it should be done.

i have a question: if you get a bimax with midface implants, are supra implants alongside forehead implants needed to not end up dogmaxxed?

 

[Anth0ny]

this is the biggest cope plan ive ever seen

 

[Acquiescence]

this is the biggest cope plan ive ever seen

Ur right should be a rope plan tbh

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Here’s my face for reference ITT:
View attachment 3634294

And here’s my first ever post with multiple photos and my scans:

Current looksmaxxing assessment and future plans | Photos and 3D CT scans included

Stats: 23 yo, 5'10, 160 lbs Face Photos Set 1 (taken further away to convey true facial shape and ratios, little lens distortion): Photo Set 2 (close up shots to show soft tissue and skin details, significant lens distortion): 3D CT Scan of Soft Tissue Video: 3D CT Scan of Facial Bones...

looksmax.org

I’ll be deferring to whichever surgeon I end up going with’s aesthetic eye and professional opinion.

To be fair, I think Ramieri told me once long ago (I sent over a cringemaxxed writeup and face photos way back in the day when I first came across this forum and saw Gaia’s OG jaw surgery threads jfl) that I was a borderline case between bimax and genio, but he’d need to see scans first for a proper take.

I had Invisalign and headgear back in my early teens for a small overbite, would probably need to have that decompensated for trimax

Regardless, I’m going for realistic improvements from appropriate procedures given my base, whether that be full blown jaw surgery or something like genio + jaw angles

What may i say, goodluck brother since this is plan is more realistic than the precedent, don't do to much linear advancment since your plan is to get your maxilla in line with the anterior nasal spine, correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

i have a question: if you get a bimax with midface implants, are supra implants alongside forehead implants needed to not end up dogmaxxed?

Forehead and supraorbital implants are for the actual people who lack forward growth in that area (mostly frontal bone), something like this:

If your forehead is like this and get forehead implant (i only seen 1 good case from 1 italian female surgeon), then yes, it helps with not getting dogmaxxed.

But if your craniofacial development is good and you decided to get implabts, you'll end up with a weird longish facial depth.

It depends from case to case, but generally speaking, yes it helps.

 

[sham66]

Forehead and supraorbital implants are for the actual people who lack forward growth in that area (mostly frontal bone), something like this:
View attachment 3635251
If your forehead is like this and get forehead implant (i only seen 1 good case from 1 italian female surgeon), then yes, it helps with not getting dogmaxxed.

But if your craniofacial development is good and you decided to get implabts, you'll end up with a weird longish facial depth.

It depends from case to case, but generally speaking, yes it helps.

thank you so much for ur reply, it was really informative

i have 2 questions tho ,
1) who is the italian surgeon?
2) if ur entirely recessed facially (forehead is harmonized with this recession), then will u also have to advance the forehead alongside ur lower and middle thirds? or is a forehead thats left behind okay?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

thank you so much for ur reply, it was really informative

i have 2 questions tho ,
1) who is the italian surgeon?
2) if ur entirely recessed facially (forehead is harmonized with this recession), then will u also have to advance the forehead alongside ur lower and middle thirds? or is a forehead thats left behind okay?

1) i forgot the name of the surgeon since i found it out on a thread but now i can't find it sadly.
2) it depends on the recession, if the recession isn't that severe then it is pretty useless to get frontal bonr implant (ROI would be to bad for the money), but you should be considering the ratios, don't get an overadvanced implant but not underadvanced, something that would suit other facial ratios.

 

[RapeAllFemales]

Imagine doing all this shit when you could just hard mewing, leanmaxxing and bonesmashing creating a good lower third also hit to the gym for framemaxxing

 

[Whirr22222]

Bro why tf arent u lean??? Also i think what is letting ur lower third down more than anything is ur lips, which are an extremely underrated feature.

 

[sham66]

i forgot the name of the surgeon since i found it out on a thread but now i can't find it sadly.

wait, i think i have the surgeon somewhere in my history? ill check tmrw

2) it depends on the recession, if the recession isn't that severe then it is pretty useless to get frontal bonr implant (ROI would be to bad for the money), but you should be considering the ratios, don't get an overadvanced implant but not underadvanced, something that would suit other facial ratios.

hmm this is a good idea. ur gonna have to make sure that the surgery is planned well, and done by a good surgeon

 

[Lefor3Laser]

wait, i think i have the surgeon somewhere in my history? ill check tmrw

hmm this is a good idea. ur gonna have to make sure that the surgery is planned well, and done by a good surgeon

Hopefully you find it since i searched for it to long.

Yes you'll have to be very careful, that's why i also advocate for one surgery at a time since you can see how the result turns out after surgery.

 

[sham66]

Hopefully you find it since i searched for it to long.

dw ill find it for us

Yes you'll have to be very careful, that's why i also advocate for one surgery at a time since you can see how the result turns out after surgery.

thats a good idea, but for implants its much cheaper to do many at once. if ur rich then absolutely do it one at a time

 

[copercel123]

Tl;dr: Making my peace with the limitations of my situation, and focusing on improving what and when and where I can: getting back into trade labor work later this year; maintaining previously ironed-out softmaxxes and anti-aging protocols; continuing to save up money for trimax + implants in 2026 and HT + potential soft tissue work in 2027; heightfrauding 5’10” - > 6’1”; agefrauding early 20s; geomaxxing; ultimately though, just knowing when to call it quits (if all of the above fails) and going full LDAR

Buckle up, another long one, dnrcels need not apply

Started with less than $500 in the surgery fund, back when I made this account in Sept 2024. Will hit 30k by year’s end and will keep going well into 2026, until I’ve hit at least ~50k. Might ultimately need more though, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there

Previous plans were peak PSL autism: OBO, Tripod, LL, Clavicle Lengthening, Trimax, etc

Now, I’m just going to aim for an 80/20 ROI based upon a reasonable balance of expected aesthetic gains with expected improved treatment IRL + cost + risk.

That means trimax + saddled infra-malars at the least, but perhaps drop down supras and some minor soft tissue work as well (primarily for the eye area and lips, but because the above procedures might positively affect the soft tissue support in those areas, I’ll be holding off for now). Then, a HT for stronger temple points and a straight NW0 hairline if I ever get tired of curly fringe hairline frauding my NW2.

Will be consulting with both Ramieri and Pagnoni, and going with the ascension plan I feel is best. I’ll be emphasizing the need for natural-looking, harmonious results that mesh well with my base, rather than shooting for some theoretical, maximal, peak PSL over-advanced features.

Aiming for sometime in 2026 to get the trimax + implants. Then sometime in 2027 for HT + soft tissue work.

Will also be perma heightfrauding with Amnesia-style lifts from 5’10” -> 6’1” (and also taking a page out his agefrauding book and claiming early 20s for as long as possible)

All other softmaxxes and anti-aging contingencies I currently do/have planned out are staying the same: healthy-ish lifestyle, spf, taz, dut, min, dysport, co2 laser, beard and body laser hair removal, teeth whitening, and rejuvenation procedures like face lift + fat grafting or frauds like hair dye as needed

Hopefully I can get to at least MTN from my current LTN. MTN + white + frauded 6’1” + frauded youth + frauded NT should be enough to have an acceptable SMV floor for geomaxxing

Getting back into the skilled trades later this year, which will enable me to take extensive time off for both surgeries and geomaxxing

Might have to link up with a brocel IRL once post ascension, fly out to Vegas, get drunk on the strip, then go our respective ways and grind XP with prozzies to get over the mentalcel block beforehand though JFL

Will not be getting married or having kids. Instead, I just want to reach a looks threshold where I can experience a couple ONS, and maybe even try out an LTR or two, based upon mutual genuine attraction with ~LTB-MTBs, before I’m completely aged out of the game by Father Time. Will all have to be done strictly during oh-so-limited weekends / vacations at bars, clubs, on OLD, etc though, as free time and energy as a wagie are heavily limited

But if I can’t achieve even that, instead of falling ever further down the surgery rabbit hole, at some point I’ll just admit total defeat and go full LDAR, focusing on shoring up my baseline comfort levels and riding out this life till the bitter end as least-painfully as I can

I’ve made my peace with the fact I’ll forevermore be an abused dog, pessimistic, ND, average salary wageslave, yearning for a life re-do that will never come, even if surgery goes well. So long as I stay tethered to that reality, a realistic ascension might still occur

That’s all for now buddy boyos. Will post my surgical plans once I get that sorted out post consults, and of course the eventual before / afters. Cheers

Where are you working

 

[Lefor3Laser]

dw ill find it for us

thats a good idea, but for implants its much cheaper to do many at once. if ur rich then absolutely do it one at a time

I agree on this but let's say you do it with a bad surgeon/designer, you would risk pretty much botching every design (not always the case tho).

 

[sham66]

Hopefully you find it since i searched for it to long.

Yes you'll have to be very careful, that's why i also advocate for one surgery at a time since you can see how the result turns out after surgery.

wait can i ask u what surgeries u plan to do?

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

I tried and failed to get a basic consult from Giant since Dec 2023 up until now. That + the reported horrible patient communication and shadiness of working out of Turkey for major osteotomies is what ultimately turned me off.

I don’t want to completely write the guy off, but that is my experience and opinion as of now

Giant is a meme

Probably the most overrated surgery actor ever on this website

He acts like he's god himself better than anyone else designer,

claim Turkey is first class, Celal a good surgeon

He can't even pay for a medical appointment software, pick patients with random DMs on Instagram

wears a kek hat on surgeries, claim OBO and LF 2 is a truth or dare contest, hide his botches , is very avoidant when things go wrong with patients

He is very good at marketing and convincing insecured incels to get expansive and dangerous surgeries though

 

[sham66]

I agree on this but let's say you do it with a bad surgeon/designer, you would risk pretty much botching every design (not always the case tho).

yah true, thatd be very bad

 

[Lefor3Laser]

wait can i ask u what surgeries u plan to do?

Until i get a skull scan i don't know much, but since i have functional problems i'd think bimax and few conservative implants after, i am the type of guy wich goes very carefully when it comes to surgeries.

 

[sham66]

Until i get a skull scan i don't know much, but since i have functional problems i'd think bimax and few conservative implants after, i am the type of guy wich goes very carefully when it comes to surgeries.

thats a good plan. always better to be safe and conservative, rather than be uncanney and risk nerve damage. i hope it goes well for u

 

[Lefor3Laser]

thats a good plan. always better to be safe and conservative, rather than be uncanney and risk nerve damage. i hope it goes well for u

Same to you, wish you good luck.

 

[Beniceandkind]

I tried and failed to get a basic consult from Giant since Dec 2023 up until now. That + the reported horrible patient communication and shadiness of working out of Turkey for major osteotomies is what ultimately turned me off.

I don’t want to completely write the guy off, but that is my experience and opinion as of now

@therealsurgerymax is a retard with low IQ. If you can't understand that already then you're low iq too and won't ascend.

 

[sham66]

Same to you, wish you good luck.

thanks man. its lowkey rare to see sane, kind people on here

 

[Beniceandkind]

Giant is a meme

Probably the most overrated surgery actor ever on this website

He acts like he's god himself better than anyone else designer,

claim Turkey is first class, Celal a good surgeon

He can't even pay for a medical appointment software, pick patients with random DMs on Instagram

wears a kek hat on surgeries, claim OBO and LF 2 is a truth or dare contest, hide his botches , is very avoidant when things go wrong with patients

He is very good at marketing and convincing insecured incels to get expansive and dangerous surgeries though

any famous psl surgeon is a bad surgeon. pslers are retarded.

 

[mightbecooked123]

Giant is a meme

Probably the most overrated surgery actor ever on this website

He acts like he's god himself better than anyone else designer,

claim Turkey is first class, Celal a good surgeon

He can't even pay for a medical appointment software, pick patients with random DMs on Instagram

wears a kek hat on surgeries, claim OBO and LF 2 is a truth or dare contest, hide his botches , is very avoidant when things go wrong with patients

He is very good at marketing and convincing insecured incels to get expansive and dangerous surgeries though

Im glad you finally came to your senses

 

[Beniceandkind]

Im glad you finally came to your senses

ure a chad

 

[Acquiescence]

Bro why tf arent u lean???

I am I just have no bones brotha

 

[slaters]

If you do reach mtn after surgery you can marry a htb as long as you have personality + eyebrows + nice smile

Have you ever thought about any sort of peds to help work in the trades without fucking your physical wellbeing in the future ?
I’d atleast look into peptides to help your body

No I just make sure to be strict about pacing / breaks / proper lifting techniques / ppe / limiting overtime. And sleep, rest etc (when insomnia lets me). Probably still won’t reach retirement without permanent damage though. I’m already feeling it at 23, can’t imagine what 40+ will feel like. Hopefully medical tech improves by then jfl

Been on dut and min for almost a year n a half already. Will take those for life, and if need be, exhaust my donor zone for HTs + dye my hair + get a hair system as a last resort. I refuse to go grey and bald

I’d look into HGH, a therapeutic dose will bring you a long way

And look into Cartalax might help preserve your joints

 

[jeff1234]

Where are you working

 

[davinci]

My 4 inch elevator shoe demonstration (Video)

Here is a pair of my 4 inch lift shoes WITH insoles added and a video demonstration of me showing in real time how much height it adds. The lowest point of the shoe to the highest point of the inside insole is 4 inches, the height insole slopes down from heel to toe, then I put in an additional...

looksmax.org

thanks that's crazy but the shoes look weird. don't they slip out? did you ever get called out?