20 yrs 6ft

[ltnbrownacnecel]

Me and @Tigermoggerlol understand the power of dimo when rating. You need to look masculine to have appeal

What would u rate bjorn Anderson then?

 

[decadouche57]

What would u rate bjorn Anderson then?

Is that a girl or a tranny?

 

[pfl]

Me and @Tigermoggerlol understand the power of dimo when rating. You need to look masculine to have appeal

what dimo range do u think has best appeal
imo 7-8.5

 

[decadouche57]

what dimo range do u think has best appeal
imo 7-8.5

I agree

 

[thebestasianmoggere]

I think ur blind

check dms

 

[yussimania]

Nonexistent chin height terrible coloring and pheno low dimo

OP's SMV is around a HLTN his PSL is MTN

low anterior facial height ≠ short face syndrome - that's characterised by flat occlusal plane, deep bite and short maxillary and lower anterior facial height.

OP if he got a vertically lengthened genio wouldn't fit your "sfs"

 

[yussimania]

@ltnbrownacnecel

OP needs Trimax with:

- Downward movement of the mandible
- CCW rotation of the occlusal plane

no way bro don't be giving advice out like this

 

[decadouche57]

no way bro don't be giving advice out like this

Gatekeep?

 

[yussimania]

@decadouche57 your literally saying he needs cw mandibular rotation and ccw at the occlusal plane that's imposible bro

 

[Rothschild]

prettyboy htn

u have a large bulbouse droopy nosetip tho id recomment getting that fixed

 

[decadouche57]

@decadouche57 your literally saying he needs cw mandibular rotation and ccw at the occlusal plane that's imposible bro

Occlusal plane rotation and mandibular rotation aren’t the same thing. Basically the maxillomandibular complex can rotate CCW at the occlusal plane while the mandible shows relative CW autorotation locally due to translation, condylar seating, vertical changes, or genioplasty vectors

Orthognathic surgery isn’t a single hinge rotation it’s translation + rotation in different reference frames. This is planned in 3D all the time. Calling it impossible is just oversimplifying the biomechanics.

 

[nth]

Mtn/hmtn

 

[decadouche57]

prettyboy htn

u have a large bulbouse droopy nosetip tho id recomment getting that fixed

He cannot be HTN while being a Trimax candidate

 

[yussimania]

Occlusal plane rotation and mandibular rotation aren’t the same thing. Basically the maxillomandibular complex can rotate CCW at the occlusal plane while the mandible shows relative CW autorotation locally due to translation, condylar seating, vertical changes, or genioplasty vectors

Orthognathic surgery isn’t a single hinge rotation it’s translation + rotation in different reference frames. This is planned in 3D all the time. Calling it impossible is just oversimplifying the biomechanics.

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Occlusal plane CCW = the bite plane is rotated counter-clockwise relative to the cranial base.

Mandibular CW rotation = the mandible rotates clockwise around the condyles (chin goes down/back).

In standard orthognathic mechanics:

Occlusal CCW almost always induces mandibular CCW, not CW.

So your question hits a real biomechanical contradiction.

Dental occlusal CCW (orthodontic) with skeletal mandibular CW

Orthodontics can:

Intrude posterior teeth

Extrude anteriors
→ Creating a dental CCW change in the occlusal plane


But if the skeletal mandible:

Is autorotated CW due to vertical changes

Or positioned CW surgically


You get an apparent mismatch:

Dental OP = CCW

Skeletal mandible = CW


This is often where confusion comes from.

When it does not make sense

True en-bloc CCW rotation of the maxillomandibular complex → mandible will not rotate CW.

If someone claims “CCW gave me mandibular CW” in a standard bimax → they’re almost always misreading the reference planes.

You're wrong here stay outta my territory

 

[yussimania]

also you're exception doesn't apply to OP @decadouche57

 

[decadouche57]

Occlusal plane CCW = the bite plane is rotated counter-clockwise relative to the cranial base.

Mandibular CW rotation = the mandible rotates clockwise around the condyles (chin goes down/back).

In standard orthognathic mechanics:

Occlusal CCW almost always induces mandibular CCW, not CW.

So your question hits a real biomechanical contradiction.

Dental occlusal CCW (orthodontic) with skeletal mandibular CW

Orthodontics can:

Intrude posterior teeth

Extrude anteriors
→ Creating a dental CCW change in the occlusal plane


But if the skeletal mandible:

Is autorotated CW due to vertical changes

Or positioned CW surgically


You get an apparent mismatch:

Dental OP = CCW

Skeletal mandible = CW


This is often where confusion comes from.

When it does not make sense

True en-bloc CCW rotation of the maxillomandibular complex → mandible will not rotate CW.

If someone claims “CCW gave me mandibular CW” in a standard bimax → they’re almost always misreading the reference planes.

You're wrong here stay outta my territory

You’re mostly restating textbook typical mechanics, not disproving my point.

Yeah true en-bloc CCW rotation of the maxillomandibular complex tends to induce mandibular CCW. Im not disagreeing

The point you’re missing is that real surgical plans are not always pure en-bloc CCW. Once you introduce vertical maxillary changes, differential impaction, condylar seating, ramus height changes, or genioplasty vectors, the mandible can show relative CW autorotation in its own reference frame while the occlusal plane is CCW relative to the cranial base.

That’s not a contradiction it’s different reference planes. OP rotation =/= mandibular autorotation.

Where people get confused is assuming every CCW OP case is a rigid MMC rotation. Many aren’t hybrid movements exist and are planned in 3D all the time.

So nah the concept isn’t impossible, it’s just not the simplified scenario you’re describing.

 

[yussimania]

You’re mostly restating textbook typical mechanics, not disproving my point.

Yeah true en-bloc CCW rotation of the maxillomandibular complex tends to induce mandibular CCW. Im not disagreeing

The point you’re missing is that real surgical plans are not always pure en-bloc CCW. Once you introduce vertical maxillary changes, differential impaction, condylar seating, ramus height changes, or genioplasty vectors, the mandible can show relative CW autorotation in its own reference frame while the occlusal plane is CCW relative to the cranial base.

That’s not a contradiction it’s different reference planes. OP rotation =/= mandibular autorotation.

Where people get confused is assuming every CCW OP case is a rigid MMC rotation. Many aren’t hybrid movements exist and are planned in 3D all the time.

So nah the concept isn’t impossible, it’s just not the simplified scenario you’re describing.

JFL at your AI usage do you know what autorotation is? Literally done at a local level by the mandible adjusting itself. You're also trying to apply this for what you called sfs even tho it's for long faces.

If you CCWr the maxilla your mandible has to follow the rotation otherwise you end up with an open bite. Therefore overall the OP is CCWr. Your surgeon won't do a CWR for the mandible if the goal is to CCWr the OP

You said he has brachy SFS but you don't even do CCWr you're supposed to downgraft with CWr to increase LAFH and CWr the occlusal plane.

Bro for your own sake stay out of this field because you're giving wrong advice which will fuck your credibility.

 

[decadouche57]

JFL at your AI usage do you know what autorotation is? Literally done at a local level by the mandible adjusting itself. You're also trying to apply this for what you called sfs even tho it's for long faces.

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If you CCWr the maxilla your mandible has to follow the rotation otherwise you end up with an open bite. Therefore overall the OP is CCWr. Your surgeon won't do a CWR for the mandible if the goal is to CCWr the OP

You said he has brachy SFS but you don't even do CCWr you're supposed to downgraft with CWr to increase LAFH and CWr the occlusal plane.

Bro for your own sake stay out of this field because you're giving wrong advice which will fuck your credibility.

Youre arguing textbook SFS mechanics and acting like thatsthe only possible planning. I never said do a pure en bloc CCW MMC with mandibular CW obviously that would open the bite

My point was:

His lower third looks short aesthetically. Whether that is skeletal or soft tissue needs cephs. If it is skeletal, Trimax is on the table, but the exact vectors depend on the case. Downgraft, CW, CCW, whatever actually balances the face.

Not every Trimax is a cookie cutter SFS correction, and you don’t lock in mechanics off a frontal pic. Youre arguing a stronger claim than I made basically

OP IS A LTN SMV WITH ZERO APPEAL TO WOMEN BTW.

He is a 5.4 dimo

His chin height is nonexistent and he is a textbook Indian pheno

@Saint @Olympus

 

[Knight]

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mirin the zeek brah

 

[yussimania]

Youre arguing textbook SFS mechanics and acting like thatsthe only possible planning. I never said do a pure en bloc CCW MMC with mandibular CW obviously that would open the bite

My point was:

His lower third looks short aesthetically. Whether that is skeletal or soft tissue needs cephs. If it is skeletal, Trimax is on the table, but the exact vectors depend on the case. Downgraft, CW, CCW, whatever actually balances the face.

Not every Trimax is a cookie cutter SFS correction, and you don’t lock in mechanics off a frontal pic. Youre arguing a stronger claim than I made basically

JFL it is the only possible plan for what you diagnosed him as SFS - it's mechanically impossible to ccw rotate the skeletal occlusal plane and skeletally clockwise rotate the Mandible. You literally said this in your opener. By CCWr you're making his face even more compact SON

@ltnbrownacnecel

OP needs Trimax with:

- Downward movement of the mandible
- CCW rotation of the occlusal plane

he is visibly class 1 he doesn't need bimax or any corrective jaw surgery so by you suggesting this is bad on your part. If anything it would be a genio varaint with filler or implants for the JFA.

Just admit you were wrong here bhai because it looks bad on you especially rating stalin higher than this guy. If someone really wanted to wipe the floor and eviscerate you they could and your credibility as a rater and looksmaxxer would be destroyed.

read that tldr

 

[yussimania]

@bossman am i wrong here?

 

[decadouche57]

JFL it is the only possible plan for what you diagnosed him as SFS - it's mechanically impossible to ccw rotate the skeletal occlusal plane and skeletally clockwise rotate the Mandible. You literally said this in your opener. By CCWr you're making his face even more compact SON
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he is visibly class 1 he doesn't need bimax or any corrective jaw surgery so by you suggesting this is bad on your part. If anything it would be a genio varaint with filler or implants for the JFA.

Just admit you were wrong here bhai because it looks bad on you especially rating stalin higher than this guy. If someone really wanted to wipe the floor and eviscerate you they could and your credibility as a rater and looksmaxxer would be destroyed.

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read that tldr

Try getting a 200+ slay count and 8 surgeries then we can have a conversation about ratings

The thing about me is that I have IRL exp when it comes to understanding ratings and appeal not basement theories.

Stalin mogs this pajeet back to Mumbai

Youre still arguing a claim I didn’t make. I didn’t diagnose him as SFS in the strict sense. I said his lower third looks short aesthetically from a frontal pic.

I agree with you on this part: from what we can see, he looks Class I, and bimax isn’t indicated off this image alone. Genio or JFA-focused options make more sense if anything. Implants maybe idk hard to tell off these photos

Where you’re off is pretending I said “do CCW here" or claimed skeletal mechanics without cephs. I didn’t. I said imaging would decide whether this is skeletal or soft tissue.

Also watch this @Fridx @turkcelfatcel

 

[Grievous]

low htn

are we deadass

 

[pfl]

are we deadass

Yes

 

[Grievous]

Yes

 

[Deleted member 303171]

Yes

 

[decadouche57]

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[Rothschild]

He cannot be HTN while being a Trimax candidate

i see the frauding

he should take mirror selfies to minimize the fraud

 

[bossman]

JFL it is the only possible plan for what you diagnosed him as SFS - it's mechanically impossible to ccw rotate the skeletal occlusal plane and skeletally clockwise rotate the Mandible. You literally said this in your opener. By CCWr you're making his face even more compact SON
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he is visibly class 1 he doesn't need bimax or any corrective jaw surgery so by you suggesting this is bad on your part. If anything it would be a genio varaint with filler or implants for the JFA.

Just admit you were wrong here bhai because it looks bad on you especially rating stalin higher than this guy. If someone really wanted to wipe the floor and eviscerate you they could and your credibility as a rater and looksmaxxer would be destroyed.

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read that tldr

spot on

other guy does not understand rotation at all

don’t know why surgery is even being suggested for this guy

 

[Saint]

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My scale prioritizes dimo and harm over and/misc

Stalin brutally mogs OP in categories like brow ridge shape, chin shape, ramus length etc

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Also back in the day you have to consider that is a good looking man for those times so he is objectively High mtn. OP is mmtn peanut skull and no dimo

 

[Saint]

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Youre arguing textbook SFS mechanics and acting like thatsthe only possible planning. I never said do a pure en bloc CCW MMC with mandibular CW obviously that would open the bite

My point was:

His lower third looks short aesthetically. Whether that is skeletal or soft tissue needs cephs. If it is skeletal, Trimax is on the table, but the exact vectors depend on the case. Downgraft, CW, CCW, whatever actually balances the face.

Not every Trimax is a cookie cutter SFS correction, and you don’t lock in mechanics off a frontal pic. Youre arguing a stronger claim than I made basically

OP IS A LTN SMV WITH ZERO APPEAL TO WOMEN BTW.

He is a 5.4 dimo

His chin height is nonexistent and he is a textbook Indian pheno

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@Saint @Olympus

He’s mmtn i don’t know why the iqlets are arguing HTN when he’s trimax candidate JFL at the retards

 

[wearegettingtohtn]

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Youre arguing textbook SFS mechanics and acting like thatsthe only possible planning. I never said do a pure en bloc CCW MMC with mandibular CW obviously that would open the bite

My point was:

His lower third looks short aesthetically. Whether that is skeletal or soft tissue needs cephs. If it is skeletal, Trimax is on the table, but the exact vectors depend on the case. Downgraft, CW, CCW, whatever actually balances the face.

Not every Trimax is a cookie cutter SFS correction, and you don’t lock in mechanics off a frontal pic. Youre arguing a stronger claim than I made basically

OP IS A LTN SMV WITH ZERO APPEAL TO WOMEN BTW.

He is a 5.4 dimo

His chin height is nonexistent and he is a textbook Indian pheno

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@Saint @Olympus

wait so if ur indian pheno u got zero appeal to women? are u sure cause i mean this mtn indian nigga's got lots of foids in his comments? or is it just because hes online im just curious to learn

 

[wearegettingtohtn]

He’s mmtn i don’t know why the iqlets are arguing HTN when he’s trimax candidate JFL at the retards

he kinda looks like a faggot thught and foids like that so hes atleast got decent appeal imo

 

[Saint]

wait so if ur indian pheno u got zero appeal to women? are u sure cause i mean this mtn indian nigga's got lots of foids in his comments? or is it just because hes online im just curious to learn

all the girls in the comments are ltbs and ethnics. Also if they hypothetically get in a relationship with this pajeet they’ll leave him for any white HMTN

 

[wearegettingtohtn]

all the girls in the comments are ltbs and ethnics. Also if they hypothetically get in a relationship with this pajeet they’ll leave him for any white HMTN

fairs but what would u rate him and since im an ethnic what rating would i need to get to get htn smv cause rn im like 16 and 6 foot.

 

[Saint]

fairs but what would u rate him and since im an ethnic what rating would i need to get to get htn smv cause rn im like 16 and 6 foot.

I’d rate him MMTN A

 

[Deleted member 272192]

how is bro this lean lmao