[2025-pill ENTER WITH CAUTION] Women do not want "hot" broke guys

[Seth Walsh]

"Just looksmax and be goodlooking BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news - that shit is patched.

I'm not even gonna advocate for oofie doofie.

Pretty much all women all ages want a normie provider or a GL provider. Even younger women are not retarded enough to go for broke unstable guys.

This is the brutal truth as I see it.


You see a lot of mid 30s, early 40s bachelors claiming to be snaring knockout-tier chicks in lowclass nightclubs amidst all their free time. Does anyone believe that bullshit?

Looks alone are nowhere near enough.


What do you think?

 

[Seth Walsh]

LTRs are heavily weighted towards job status, job security, financial security, economic and financial status.

This is why NEETs have a hard time. Yet, all NEETs will cry "LOOKS".

 

[Mousei]

Im broke and semi good looking and I still get girls occasionally.

 

[widdi]

Obviously having money is desirable, but being desired for your money is undesirable. What happens if you lose the money or if there’s a way that she can go after your money (via divorce, stealing, etc) without needing to be with you? Even good looking rich people have to constantly be on edge.

In my opinion, your partner’s perception of your wealth should always be lower than your looks. If you are a millionaire HTN, don’t flaunt that you have Chad levels of money (top 1-2%). Just say that you make 100k or smth.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Im broke and semi good looking and I still get girls occasionally.

"get girls" is very vague.

 

[HimmyButlerV2]

I hate blanket statements like this because it depends on age, location, and most importantly type of girls

Any fucking loser can really dumpster dive and get sex, but that's clearly not what we want

if you want high class HTB+ white women, then yes, you need to have pretty good stats all round

 

[Alias!]

"Just looksmax and be goodlooking BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news - that shit is patched.

I'm not even gonna advocate for oofie doofie.

Pretty much all women all ages want a normie provider or a GL provider. Even younger women are not retarded enough to go for broke unstable guys.

This is the brutal truth as I see it.


You see a lot of mid 30s, early 40s bachelors claiming to be snaring knockout-tier chicks in lowclass nightclubs amidst all their free time. Does anyone believe that bullshit?

Looks alone are nowhere near enough.


What do you think?

They either want ugly guy providers that they can abuse , or gl guys that can provide. Never there looksmatch.

 

[Mousei]

"get girls" is very vague.

Like a girl that comes into my life and finds me attractive.

 

[Depresso]

"Just looksmax and be goodlooking BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news - that shit is patched.

I'm not even gonna advocate for oofie doofie.

Pretty much all women all ages want a normie provider or a GL provider. Even younger women are not retarded enough to go for broke unstable guys.

This is the brutal truth as I see it.


You see a lot of mid 30s, early 40s bachelors claiming to be snaring knockout-tier chicks in lowclass nightclubs amidst all their free time. Does anyone believe that bullshit?

Looks alone are nowhere near enough.


What do you think?

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[Seth Walsh]

Obviously having money is desirable, but being desired for your money is undesirable. What happens if you lose the money or if there’s a way that she can go after your money (via divorce, stealing, etc) without needing to be with you? Even good looking rich people have to constantly be on edge.

In my opinion, your partner’s perception of your wealth should always be lower than your looks. If you are a millionaire HTN, don’t flaunt that you have Chad levels of money (top 1-2%). Just say that you make 100k or smth.

IRL hardly anyone makes 100k a month. If you're making 100k a month you're pretty much definitely a millionaire.

Innately we all go for looks and how someone makes us feel, I agree completely. And I agree that's how it should be.

It's not how it is though. Financial stability and YoY life outcome is far better for attracting very attractive (and intelligent) women and LTRing them than looks.

It's weird how we diverge from our carnal instincts because of practical considerations for the future; but that's a survival mechanism.

Come to think of it. Without money, monogamy wouldn't exist. Or maybe without money & private property, monogamy wouldn't exist.

It's a tough world for idealists and enjoyers of beauty.


The more time you spend with someone, and the more you share and become intimate, the more you value them (for a grace period or a certain amount of time). It's really financial stability, time and planning that allows for this in relationships when an LTR is forming. The raw looks part is way overstated.

Even Jeremy Meeks needed his stable high paying modelling gig to marry his wife and have kids.

People can talk about him being fantasized over, by thousands of women while being locked up. But his looks weren't enough for anything long term. And that's the point I am trying to get across.

A lot of OG members on here will cope about Chadlite/Chad, but can't manage a long-term relationship. It's not the looks! It's the stability, financial, career status, practical trajectory. That's the blocker.

These "muh more looks" copers need to take stock of their lives.

 

[Arthur the Egyptian]

You can literally get everything with money

But you do the same by "just status max brooooooooooooo" like the money ain't hard as looks both same shit both needed

But status more important

 

[Seth Walsh]

Like a girl that comes into my life and finds me attractive.

How old are you?

 

[albanianblackguy]

very good thread, u gotta be truly maxxed out in all ways possible - status/looks/money/low inhib/high iq, kinda funny how over it is for genetical unlucky dalit class, even if u get the looks its still probably over jfl

 

[Mousei]

How old are you?

23

 

[Seth Walsh]

But status more important

Agree tbh. Real life status. Not social media stuff.

 

[Depresso]

Something that doesn't get enough attention in self-improvement circles... Envy

They can go after the things that max you like status, money and your looksmaxxes.

It's never open or direct... You're always bad for one thing or another

 

[FiendFiend]

"Just looksmax and be goodlooking BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news - that shit is patched.

I'm not even gonna advocate for oofie doofie.

Pretty much all women all ages want a normie provider or a GL provider. Even younger women are not retarded enough to go for broke unstable guys.

This is the brutal truth as I see it.


You see a lot of mid 30s, early 40s bachelors claiming to be snaring knockout-tier chicks in lowclass nightclubs amidst all their free time. Does anyone believe that bullshit?

Looks alone are nowhere near enough.


What do you think?

yeah im sure in college foids are thirsting for men in their 30s fr.

 

[albanianblackguy]

Agree tbh. Real life status. Not social media stuff.

people would laugh if i showed them what kind of girls some mini celebrities in my old town fuck just because of status, fat fucks as well mostly, ofc u wont get the sexual attraction and validation but that stuff shouldnt be important if u arent an abused dog

 

[Seth Walsh]

yeah im sure in college foids are thirsting for men in their 30s fr.

Definitely not.

But they'll go for the Chads in college or someone a few years older in his 20s who has a job in finance and lots going for him, money in the bank, over random college normies who are afraid of being asked a question by their lecturer.

 

[FiendFiend]

Definitely not.

But they'll go for the Chads in college or someone a few years older in his 20s who has a job in finance and lots going for him, money in the bank, over random college normies who are afraid of being asked a question by their lecturer.

idk brah here they dont go for "chads" they go for prettyboys. The chad football player is more of an american thing here, all the sports players here are negroes and truecels no one wanna fuck

 

[whitebitchslayer]

Just be rich AND attractive

 

[Seth Walsh]

idk brah here they dont go for "chads" they go for prettyboys. The chad football player is more of an american thing here, all the sports players here are negroes and truecels no one wanna fuck

When did I say a Chad was a NIGGER?

Prettyboys are Chads. We're just talking semantics.

 

[Seth Walsh]

Just be rich AND attractive

Good point

 

[FiendFiend]

When did I say a Chad was a NIGGER?

Prettyboys are Chads. We're just talking semantics.

oh fairs. I just thought u were unironically tryna repost like actual rp nonsense.

 

[´´´´´´´´]

your threads are getting dumber by the day, and i say this despite liking your vast contributions to the forum. Has something changed in your personal life/core beliefs?

This is no 2025pill nor something to be read with caution LMFAO. Looks were never enough to sustain a long-term relationship: the female pipe dream has always been a hot rich guy who has all the options in the world yet falls for her. this is in fact what they want, hence that being the plot behind all romance books.

However, in real life, these dudes are rare and tend to already be in fulfilling relationships with high quality women, and that's why most women tend to be sexually duplicitous, in that they use the financially stable normie as hubby material and the hot broke dude as the side piece. actual ugly dudes aren't even fit for "betabuxxing".

I imagine you live in a high class environment after making it big with crypto. How many dudes who fit the "complete package" yet are still single do you personally know?

If you want to keep a girl, you need everything, but why exactly would you try to do so during adolescence/young adult years? That's the time at which you should be building your foundation in terms of money, status, sexual experience and good memories, like most people (dudes who are already rich/financially stable AND close to beating say the Rice Purity Test before idk 18 are rare) do.

In my view, people (men and women) should search for long-term relationships when reaching their 30s in order to settle down and build a nice stable family.

 

[Seth Walsh]

your threads are getting dumber by the day, and i say this despite liking your vast contributions to the forum. Has something changed in your personal life/core beliefs?

This is no 2025pill nor something to be read with caution LMFAO. Looks were never enough to sustain a long-term relationship: the female pipe dream has always been a hot rich guy who has all the options in the world yet falls for her. this is in fact what they want, hence that being the plot behind all romance books.

However, in real life, these dudes are rare and tend to already be in fulfilling relationships with high quality women, and that's why most women tend to be sexually duplicitous, in that they use the financially stable normie as hubby material and the hot broke dude as the side piece. actual ugly dudes aren't even fit for "betabuxxing".

I imagine you live in a high class environment after making it big with crypto. How many dudes who fit the "complete package" yet are still single do you personally know?

If you want to keep a girl, you need everything, but why exactly would you try to do so during adolescence/young adult years? That's the time at which you should be building your foundation in terms of money, status, sexual experience and good memories, like most people (dudes who are already rich/financially stable AND close to beating say the Rice Purity Test before idk 18 are rare) do.

In my view, people (men and women) should search for long-term relationships when reaching their 30s in order to settle down and build a nice stable family.

I just post whatever's on my mind and try to farm engagement as much as possible with my threads. I don't know when the last time I properly thought through a thread before posting it. Probably years ago. Water threads never get to the 2nd page.

But to answer you. My life has changed a lot and my core beliefs have changed a bit.

I think most high class guys and girls always LTR really early. And I know 0 complete package single dudes.

My account can be a meme from time to time. Not everything is sincere or to be taken at face value. I just post what I'm thinking about.

But good questions. I guess I'm more financially well off than some years ago. And of course I'm not understating the importance of looks. I think I've been severe about "proper looksmaxxing" over the years, calling out copes like bulking, roids, short haircuts etc etc..

If there's anything to take away amid the noise in the OP, it's that (in my opinion), guys who hyperfocus on looksmaxxing, and neglect balance, can end up quite stunted and demented, even in younger years, but especially in older years.

A good notion is to always look at looksmaxing as including as little detail and the most consistency, and then shutting up and never talking about it IRL. Because better looks holds social capital and pays dividends in all walks of life.

But seeing people like Clavicular etc become hyperfocused on it, and doing too much, to their own detriment, is just mental. I guess I'm trying to advocate stability and balance alongside proper looksmaxxing. And this thread was aimed to be shocking or to brew up discourse just so my main message would land better. (I don't know if it did or not).


I'm tired of just doing informational threads. They get DNR'd to the next dimension.