27 male seeking ratings and advice

[Benjibanks]

So I’m coming here from lookism since they told me there were some users that give good advice here. I’m looking for ratings, advice, morphs etc. trying to get a read on my face and what if anything I can improve. I’m attaching a few different pic and I can put more if there’s an angle that you want to see.
Also side note I’ve been to a max fac who said there are health reasons for me to have a maxillary mandibular advancement. So any morphs or advice pertaining to that so I don’t fuck up my face is appreciated as well. Thanks!

 

[justadude]

4.25 psl
decent frontal but skull, submental, and maxilla arent looking to good

 

[maxlooks]

looks like roadblur older brother

 

[eduardkoopman]

So I’m coming here from lookism since they told me there were some users that give good advice here. I’m looking for ratings, advice, morphs etc. trying to get a read on my face and what if anything I can improve. I’m attaching a few different pic and I can put more if there’s an angle that you want to see.
Also side note I’ve been to a max fac who said there are health reasons for me to have a maxillary mandibular advancement. So any morphs or advice pertaining to that so I don’t fuck up my face is appreciated as well. Thanks!

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Qoves report.
Buy it. You will learn alot about your face.

Anyone doing surgery should buy a qoves report first

 

[eduardkoopman]

Add a heavy stubble. A well groomed one.
Can mitigate the pointy-ish not wide enough chin a bit

 

[eduardkoopman]

I also rate normie range. PSL 4 range.
You have no great halo features. Only hair is very good.
The rest of you facial features are in the average ranges.
Nothing really bad. Nothing really good or striking either.

Typical average ranges person.
Aka, what most of us humans beings are.

 

[Deleted member 3573]

Qoves report.
Buy it. You will learn alot about your face.

Anyone doing surgery should buy a qoves report first

I'm gonna buy it soon. Is it super worth the money for the premium package?

 

[Benjibanks]

Decent bones but 4 PSL

So how can I improve that? I’ve been told my maxilla isn’t good but it sounds like I’m completely fucked based on what your saying with being a 4.

 

[Benjibanks]

I also rate normie range. PSL 4 range.
You have no great halo features. Only hair is very good.
The rest of you facial features are in the average ranges.
Nothing really bad. Nothing really good or striking either.

Typical average ranges person.
Aka, what most of us humans beings are.

I feel like I’ve been treated better than a 4 irl but I could just be being stupid. More important how can I improve? I feel like 4 is too low to ever move up from but you tell me.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I'm gonna buy it soon. Is it super worth the money for the premium package?

I never bought it.
But I also have no plans for surgery.
I heard of people whom bought it. And they were very happy.
Those people were looking for surgery..
That way they could talk with the surgeon in very detail about to their face.
And, check if the plastic surgeon advice and morph was in line with Qoves. A double check.
1 guy said. Qoves mogged the plastic surgeon facial analysis alot.!

 

[Benjibanks]

I’m not knowledgeable enough to tell you what surgeries to get. But if your life experiences and shit are better than that of a 4, then don’t worry about your rating on here. It’s ultimately up to you on how far you want to take your looks and what lengths you’re willing to go

Tbh tinder has been hit and miss, Irl i have girls approach, start convos, compliment sometimes. Etc. I’m basically waiting for someone on here to tell me what I’m lacking and what I should look into to fix it. I’ve already for a MMA oral surgery being recommended by a maxfac for medical reasons. Tryna figure out if that will improve or damage me.

 

[Deleted member 6045]

Ignore the truecels saying “normie PSL 4” JFL gurls call campus police on this guy. Unfortunately your pheno is just not attractive or even accepted really in the 21st century. Pics are angle frauding and cherry picked way too hard which makes it hard to take you seriously. Only real cope would be something maxillary, but a nose bridge fix maybe more realistic. But not really cuz that bridge is fucked and would be super risky imo. Also get a hairstyle you didn’t steal off the Jonas brothers pls

 

[RODEBLUR]

looks like roadblur older brother

Looks nothing like my older brother tbh

 

[Rabbi]

4.5 PSL.
Lack of forward growth cleaves any room for major improvment.

 

[Deleted member 6045]

he’s not ugly, don’t underrate

Well go ahead and just throw him a tier 3 sub. He has no SMV in 2020. Seriously if you guys think this guy is above a 4 I’ll be convinced this forum is all curries that halo anyone with shitty skin and dark hair

 

[eduardkoopman]

but it sounds like I’m completely fucked based on what your saying with being a 4.

Since when does it equate like this?
Average range like 35% of people = completely fucked??
That would mean the 65% that is average (35%) or below that (30%) is fucked. Which can't be true. At least nromiesshould have the options, to max out other stuff to have some sort of dating life.

I feel like I’ve been treated better than a 4 irl

cool. A normie with other factors well or above normal levels, can have a good/decent life.
ALSO. You hjave the best pheontype out there. Aka, white man
DON'T FORGET. PSL is NOT SMV; and is WHITHIN YOUR OWN PEHNOTYPE.
An asian psl 4 man, is SMV 1 in the WEST, for being Asian. BUT SMV 5/10 in Japan.

but I could just be being stupid.

there eexits more to overall appeal and SMV then face.
Height, muscles, style, status, location, etc..

More important how can I improve? I feel like 4 is too low to ever move up from but you tell me.

Heavy stuble may help. well groomed obviously.
It looks like skin could use som extra, a bit more tan/beta carotene, smoothenss, and even color.
I thing face PSL 4.5 is the max possible.May PSL5, but it feels like a stretch alot. (without surgery)

 

[maxlooks]

Add a heavy stubble. A well groomed one.
Can mitigate the pointy-ish not wide enough chin a bit

don't do this. Your pointy chin help make ur head look longer/ diamond. Else it look blocky/ too wide. It also gives you slight pretty boy/ younger look.

 

[Benjibanks]

Ignore the truecels saying “normie PSL 4” JFL gurls call campus police on this guy. Unfortunately your pheno is just not attractive or even accepted really in the 21st century. Pics are angle frauding and cherry picked way too hard which makes it hard to take you seriously. Only real cope would be something maxillary, but a nose bridge fix maybe more realistic. But not really cuz that bridge is fucked and would be super risky imo. Also get a hairstyle you didn’t steal off the Jonas brothers pls

Since when does it equate like this?
Average range like 35% of people = completely fucked??
That would mean the 65% that is average (35%) or below that (30%) is fucked. Which can't be true. At least nromiesshould have the options, to max out other stuff to have some sort of dating life.


cool. A normie with other factors well or above normal levels, can have a good/decent life.
ALSO. You hjave the best pheontype out there. Aka, white man
DON'T FORGET. PSL is NOT SMV; and is WHITHIN YOUR OWN PEHNOTYPE.
An asian psl 4 man, is SMV 1 in the WEST, for being Asian. BUT SMV 5/10 in Japan.


there eexits more to overall appeal and SMV then face.
Height, muscles, style, status, location, etc..

Heavy stuble may help. well groomed obviously.
It looks like skin could use som extra, a bit more tan/beta carotene, smoothenss, and even color.
I thing face PSL 4.5 is the max possible.May PSL5, but it feels like a stretch alot. (without surgery)

Since when does it equate like this?
Average range like 35% of people = completely fucked??
That would mean the 65% that is average (35%) or below that (30%) is fucked. Which can't be true. At least nromiesshould have the options, to max out other stuff to have some sort of dating life.


cool. A normie with other factors well or above normal levels, can have a good/decent life.
ALSO. You hjave the best pheontype out there. Aka, white man
DON'T FORGET. PSL is NOT SMV; and is WHITHIN YOUR OWN PEHNOTYPE.
An asian psl 4 man, is SMV 1 in the WEST, for being Asian. BUT SMV 5/10 in Japan.


there eexits more to overall appeal and SMV then face.
Height, muscles, style, status, location, etc..

Heavy stuble may help. well groomed obviously.
It looks like skin could use som extra, a bit more tan/beta carotene, smoothenss, and even color.
I thing face PSL 4.5 is the max possible.May PSL5, but it feels like a stretch alot. (without surgery)

I’ve got basically a beard going these days. I’m still not clear what this psl 4-5 is in real world. As for surgery, does anyone around here do morphs or similar to that because I’m supposed to have a jaw surgery for my maxilla, it’s an mma for anyone who’s interested and it’s for medical reasons pain speech issues sleep snoring apnea etc. so I wanna know what if anything I stand to gain with that. Thanks for the time replying btw.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I’m still not clear what this psl 4-5 is in real world.

4 PSL = 50% (aka 50/100 same phrnotype and age people look better (or equal) to you; and 50/100 same phenotype and age people look worse (or equal) to yo.

For 5PSL one is already 84%. Meaning you mogg 84% of men in looks (of same age and race). Aka Chadlite levels.

 

[aphoria]

Shit lighting, but I guess you are normie. Recessed lower part of maxilla is very apparent.

Good body helps irl way more than online.

 

[Benjibanks]

Shit lighting, but I guess you are normie. Recessed lower part of maxilla is very apparent.

Good body helps irl way more than online.

Yeah the maxilla thing has been brought up by a lot of people on lookism. Would i improve after a maxilla operation?

 

[Benjibanks]

Also is lower maxilla supposed to

Shit lighting, but I guess you are normie. Recessed lower part of maxilla is very apparent.

Good body helps irl way more than online.

Also does lower maxilla mean mandible? Just curious because i figured I’d have a non existent jawline if my mandible was recessed. Let me know though because that’s part of what this maxfac was talking about.

 

[aphoria]

Also is lower maxilla supposed to

Also does lower maxilla mean mandible? Just curious because i figured I’d have a non existent jawline if my mandible was recessed. Let me know though because that’s part of what this maxfac was talking about.

No, by lower part of maxilla I mean the area between nose and upper teeth. I am not qualified to give surgery advice, but perhaps lefort 1 is the answer?

I think changes would be well worth it if you can afford it, but check out what is buyers remorse and how likely it is that you will regret it.

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

You are a normie - 4 PSL. Like others have said you have no striking features or any halo that justify a high tier normie rating.

Let me break this down...

Upper Third:
*Reasonably lowset hairline which gives the perception of a less dominant neurocranium. This is good.

Middle Third:

*Midface is on the longer side but it's not the end of the world.

*Eyes
- The first thing I notice is eye asymmetry. Usually I wouldn't point it out but in your case, it is quite conspicuous.
- Neutral canthal tilt
- Some UEE (upper eyelid exposure) although very minor
- IPD (interpupillary distance) looks to be in a good range
- PFL (palepbral fissure length) looks average. Neither good nor bad
- Strong brow ridge which is good
- Low set brows which is bueno + reasonable thickness
- Colouring is not that important but you have dark brown eyes.
- Positive orbital vector from the side profile. That's good.
- Overall shape is very prey-ish though. PFL is lacking and it's not compact enough.

4 PSL. Average eye area.

*Cheeks (zygos)
- 404. Nowhere to be found. Don't get too worked up over your zygos though because 95% of the population don't have their cheekbones popping.
- Ogee curve non-existent

*Nose
- Nose doesn't matter that much for men. In your case, it is slightly bulbous but it doesn't compromise your harmony.
- The overall size is not too big or small.

Nothing to worry about here...

*Lips
- Lacking width and thickness

2 PSL lips tbh.

*Your maxilla is obviously recessed but you know that already. Below I have given some advice on why you shouldn't get too worked up over it...

Overall:
3.5 - 4 PSL


Lower Third:
*A very poor hyoid (cervicomental angle) from the side profile. It might be due to submental fat distribution that is not optimal, poor oral posture or a low set hyoid. The best bet for this is a surgery that raises the hyoid, which would give you some much-needed angularity.

*Gonial angle looks average, the mandible length looks average with some slight downward growth. Your chin is not receding which is good.

*Chin - philtrum ratio is far from ideal. You are lacking height in the chin.

*Bigonial width is not too bad although your jaw is on the narrow side.

Overall Rating for the lower third: 4 PSL but could go up to 5 PSL if you sort your hyoid out and add more height to your chin.

Other:
*Collagen looks average and hairline looks reasonably lowset which is good. Bodyfat is not too high I would assume.
*Phenotype of pale skin and dark eyes is not that desirable. Don't worry too much about this because it's ultimately bones that make you attractive.

Btw, it seems you don't understand the rating system around here.

4 PSL is 50 percentile irl
5 PSL is around 70 percentile irl
6 PSL is around 90 - 98 percentile
6.5 PSL is around 99 percentile+


Conclusion:
You are objectively average-ish. I know you want forward growth in your maxilla but I am sceptical of how much men need a forward grown maxilla. Many of the idolised gods around here don't necessarily have a lot of maxillary projection. A forward grown maxilla is something women need, not men. Every good looking girl has a forward grown maxilla. On the other hand, men need prominence and projection in the jaw. In your case it would be better to concentrate on getting more chin height and fixing your side profile for aesthetics reason.

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

*Just to clarify, your PFL is likely average but the overall shape of your orbitals means that you would need more width to compensate for the height.

 

[Benjibanks]

*Just to clarify, your PFL is likely average but the overall shape of your orbitals means that you would need more width to compensate for the height.

Thanks for the detailed response. The MMA operation is being recommended for breathing and sleep issues so I might be stuck doing that either way hopefully the forward growth is a good thing after everything is said and done. Also what’s your opinion on fillers for cheek bones? I’ve done the ogee curve test and thought inhad average to slight prominent ones but I feel like I made a mistake because I agree they aren’t visible if I’m not at an angle. Also the max fac told me that the operation would move my lower jaw as well so I dunno maybe the mma would fix my flaws. I was told over at lookism that I would go from a 5 to a 6 with the additional forward growth but I’m skeptical of those ratings at this point. Also I appreciate the heads up on the ratings scale.

 

[LOOKMAXXER]

Looks nothing like my older brother tbh
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is that really ur old brother ? he looks indian

 

[RODEBLUR]

is that really ur old brother ? he looks indian

Ye it is
Not indian tho he's not that dark

 

[Deleted member 6892]

Ye it is
Not indian tho he's not that dark
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Damn is he at least younger than you though? You mog him hard af

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

both upper and lower is recessed

 

[LOOKMAXXER]

Ye it is
Not indian tho he's not that dark
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whats ur ethinicity bro ?

 

[RODEBLUR]

whats ur ethinicity bro ?

half latino half dutch

 

[RODEBLUR]

Damn is he at least younger than you though? You mog him hard af

he's 5 years older than me

 

[Deleted member 6892]

he's 5 years older than me

Fucking brutal mog by younger brother

 

[RODEBLUR]

Fucking brutal mog by younger brother

He's 5'7'' too

 

[Deleted member 6892]

He's 5'7'' too

I'd just rope if I was this brutally destroyed

You just need better jaw to slay

 

[RODEBLUR]

I'd just rope if I was this brutally destroyed

You just need better jaw to slay

True

He gymcels tho and he's NT

He's got some Asian gf and he likes to flex on me how i'm virgin but doesn't realize that only being liked by Asians means you're low smv as fuck

 

[Benjibanks]

both upper and lower is recessed

Any advice? I’ve got a recommendation for maxilarry mandibular advancement. Also wouldn’t I have no jawline if lower is recessed? And if so how much would this MMA affect my rating?

 

[maxlooks]

True

He gymcels tho and he's NT

He's got some Asian gf and he likes to flex on me how i'm virgin but doesn't realize that only being liked by Asians means you're low smv as fuck

you should wake him up

 

[RODEBLUR]

you should wake him up

He doesn't like me very much
He's slightly redpilled though as when i told him i would try earning money TikTok he didn't hesitate a second to tell me ''First of all YOU'RE TOO UGLY FOR TIKTOK''

 

[LOOKMAXXER]

half latino half dutch

dutch genes r nice bro u'll 100% get tall & big

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Any advice? I’ve got a recommendation for maxilarry mandibular advancement. Also wouldn’t I have no jawline if lower is recessed? And if so how much would this MMA affect my rating?

your chin is more recessed. idk about the mandible

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Any advice? I’ve got a recommendation for maxilarry mandibular advancement. Also wouldn’t I have no jawline if lower is recessed? And if so how much would this MMA affect my rating?

nvm i looked again. it's your mandible that's recessed. your chin is normal.

 

[Benjibanks]

nvm i looked again. it's your mandible that's recessed. your chin is normal.

So am I fucked? Like how do I have a jawline if the mandible is recessed? Or is that part of the what the MMA would address?

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

So am I fucked? Like how do I have a jawline if the mandible is recessed? Or is that part of the what the MMA would address?

you don't need to look like a freak inorder to have a recessed jaw. there are varying degrees of recession. i think MM would a good option for you.

 

[Benjibanks]

you don't need to look like a freak inorder to have a recessed jaw. there are varying degrees of recession. i think MM would a good option for

you don't need to look like a freak inorder to have a recessed jaw. there are varying degrees of recession. i think MM would a good option for you.

do you know of anyone that does morphs? Or even just a rating of me now and what I might go up to after mma?

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

do you know of anyone that does morphs? Or even just a rating of me now and what I might go up to after mma?

no sorry.

 

[BigBoy]

Qoves report.
Buy it. You will learn alot about your face.

Anyone doing surgery should buy a qoves report first

Qoves literally just reads shit off of Lookism. They know the same things as us.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Qoves literally just reads shit off of Lookism. They know the same things as us.

Delusional. Qoves moggs. He will spend like 30+ minutes measuring every inch of your face. No one here is gonna do that.

 

[BigBoy]

Delusional. Qoves moggs. He will spend like 30+ minutes measuring every inch of your face. No one here is gonna do that.

Suck Qoves dick while youre at it. He took our knowledge and spread it to the normies and is making money off it, pretending its his ideas.