5.5 weeks in to first Cycle at 22 - Changes are beginning

[Etson]

3 week, pre-cycle blood work shown https://looksmax.org/threads/3-week-cycle-update-at-22.1818203/#post-25577082



Cycle Updated
- 300mg of Testosterone Ethenate a week (SubQ, 2x a week) bought Test Cypionate Grapeseed for next week, doing 4x a week, will explain why below.
- 20mg of Anavar, 3 days left
- 5mg of Cilias NEW
- 25mg of MK677, 5 days left
- L-Carnitine 250mg 4 times a week
- 2900 Calories a day, 180g of protein.

6'2
190 lbs

First Side Effects begin to show but are fixable

Bloat / Sickness?
I heard a lot about Testosterone bloat but didn't really expect it to be so noticeable, but when you are pinning twice a week this only makes the bloat issue even worse. I've also had two interesting things happen, I had horrible DOMS (probably due to increased strength + PR's, see previous post) and a cold in the same month, I assume it's bad luck but felt it should be mentioned since it stopped me from doing workouts.
The bloat is from the MK-677 and Test. Once MK is done in 3 days I will see if I notice less bloat.
> Countering this with switching pinning from Monday and Thursday to Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday. This should help with the Estrogenic side effects and bloat.

Oily Hair + Oily Skin + Smell is more... pronounced
Yeah this one kinda sucks but is manageable. This is both the Anavar and Test working together, my increased Testosterone to Supraphysiological levels is increasing sweat, and more sebum and producing more of the Testosterone derived androsterone which also seems to be a smell women like.

> Countering this by never missing a day for a shower or its over, ketoconazole shampoo, and benzoyl peroxide body wash.

SubQ Lumps
Test E injecting at 0.6 mL is not a great idea, the lumps/welts are pretty big and noticeable, all the Test Cyp was sold out on the site so whatever, I'll try Test E. Now if you go straight to IM you are gonna avoid these issues, but I enjoy the ease of use of SubQ and the affordability.

Cortisol / Irritation / Confidence

Yeah this was pretty noticeable as well, at least at 4 weeks+ I really can't stand people taking too much of my time, I do run a tech company and my time right now is super thin, but especially the yapping of women has seriously made me more irritated, but I've just honestly left the room or ignore them instead of reacting like I used to, now its just a smile or a laugh, and a walk away, but this smugness is better for me, it seems to anger the other much more.
I put this as a middle ground/yellow because it depends on how you handle your irritation, for me, its a great for benefit, for others, it probably won't be.

Puberty Level Erections

From what I've read, Cialis + Test work great together for sexual function but also in cardiovascular support. The morning erections became the most noticeable. I have not had these level of erections since I was probably 15-16, hard as a rock, random boners through the day, good erection quality, and noticeable vascularity (but Test was already doing this I believe). It's honestly been kind of annoying with the hardness in the morning, but Im sure I'll get used to it.

Sleep and Focus

When I was natural, I had 280ng of T, and I'd sleep 8-9 hours and still feel exhausted, to be fair, I had a horrible backwards sleep schedule, but now I get 6-7 (heh) hours of sleep and feel more rested. I absolutely love this, the less time asleep is the more time I have in the day, and the fact I feel good, can't get back to sleep, is a plus for me. I have more energy, confidence, and feel good throughout the whole day without crashes.

Muscle and Strength

Finally saw some more definition in my monkey arms at the deltoids and triceps, which is expected, this is the first noticeable muscle gains most men get while on T, especially for me which is coming from a repressed T level. Biceps also have a noticeable size increase, and vascularity is popping out now, 2 veins coming from the forearms and all around the arm.
I don't know if this is just me, if anyone else can attest to this, but my forearms have had the most gains, they have the least amount of fat, the most vascular, the best definition in terms of muscles, in terms of discerning the muscles in the forearms they are the most defined part I've noticed, has anyone else had this? It makes sense since forearms are used in every single workout and hold lower fat, but still was not something I expected.

Goals and Changes I am expecting
I am going to get off of Anavar and give a 15 day break before doing 50mg of Primobolan for 50 days. (Will take suggestions on this). Primobolan doesn't aromatize, Primo is a DHT-derived, Fin will not stop it, but it doesn't seem to be that bad for male alopecia especially if I run it 7 weeks.

I might consider CJC + Ipa, seems to be the best and most affordable option for 3-4x GH via secretagogue rather than the exogenous route. But Im a bit mixed on GH and it's ability to build muscle, the studies seem to be mixed, it makes sense to me logically, but if anyone has more info on this it would be very helpful.

I expect more gains 8 weeks+ into my 300mg of Test, and I will be doing this for probably 12 months, the fertility stuff seems to be way overblown and its always reversible in healthy young men.

I'm hoping since Im 22, that there is still time in the face for musculation as a result of the new androgenic environment being created with 300mg of T over 12 months. The Higher androgens should increase muscle size and thinkness everywhere, including my jaw and neck, and the "density" of my face. Facial fat will decrease and will help show more of the skill and it can help with brow ridge even in your 20's but my brow ridge is already strong enough.

This is why taking Test at 16 with an AI would have been ideal. But oh well.

I will switch over to 300mg of Test Cypionate with Grapeseed over 4 days a week instead of 2 times a week

 

[harmonytingfam]

 

[AryanFoidJester]

20mg var

 

[harmonytingfam]

20mg var

This is the LEAST concerning thing about this thread.

 

[AryanFoidJester]

This is the LEAST concerning thing about this thread.

dnr 90% of it mb

 

[Etson]

This is the LEAST concerning thing about this thread.

Rage bait used to be believable

 

[carsv]

keep up the good work twin

 

[Etson]

20mg var

I was doing 33mg Var but honestly got bored of cutting it in half it just broke into a million pieces.

Primobolan is better to run longer term, I might up it to 75mg.

 

[AryanFoidJester]

I was doing 33mg Var but honestly got bored of cutting it in half it just broke into a million pieces.

Primobolan is better to run longer term, I might up it to 75mg.

 

[Etson]

You'd be a better rapist on gear btw

 

[volgaTz]

Countering this with switching pinning from Monday and Thursday to Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday. This should help with the Estrogenic side effects and bloat.

so switching from test e to test c, so u can pin more often is better to reduce bloat?
why does pinning 2 times a week worsen the bloat?

Id always prefer to pin less jfl

 

[Etson]

so switching from test e to test c, so u can pin more often is better to reduce bloat?
why does pinning 2 times a week worsen the bloat?

Id always prefer to pin less jfl

I preferred less pins too, but yes it does have a meaningful difference on bloat and Estrogenic sides.

You can see the peaks for weekly are pretty bad. And 3x weekly much more stable, and daily being the best.

Im taking a middle ground and doing 4x

The bloat is bad even my mom noticed, so I have to get rid of it.

 

[Etson]

Okay turns out Im not 191lbs Im 210 now, +20 lb in ~6–6.5 weeks.

Im hoping 5–8 lb is actual lean mass, 7-10 lbs Glycogen/Water retention from the Test, Anavar, and MK677. And probably around 2-4lbs of actual fat.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

DNR 90%, almost everything is saw is retarded from the 300mg of test, the 20mg of var, the 25mg of MK and to the 50mg of primo

 

[Etson]

DNR 90%, almost everything is saw is retarded from the 300mg of test, the 20mg of var, the 25mg of MK and to the 50mg of primo

Test was changed to 325mg 4 times a week, fixed the bloat (the injection frequency)

It was 33mg of Anavar, but honestly it only gave me strength gains and didn't want to take it longer term.

Once I get my bloodtest with my E2 I will adjust the dosage accordingly. Remember, I came from 280ng of T natural, my next update post will show the visible gains in deltoids which have become noticeable in the 3 muscle group separation of the arms.

The MK was bad yeah, it only gave me hunger, bloat, and some better sleep.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Test was changed to 325mg 4 times a week, fixed the bloat (the injection frequency)

It was 33mg of Anavar, but honestly it only gave me strength gains and didn't want to take it longer term.

Once I get my bloodtest with my E2 I will adjust the dosage accordingly. Remember, I came from 280ng of T natural, my next update post will show the visible gains in deltoids which have become noticeable in the 3 muscle group separation of the arms.

The MK was bad yeah, it only gave me hunger, bloat, and some better sleep.

Can’t be bothered to go back and look at what you’re cycle but I guess this trt+ isn’t a bad idea if you were a twink before.

Just know that Primo is very good only if have good hair genetics and you actually use dosages which do something

Add HGH if you can and the Var isn’t bad but again hair genetics + the gains are very mild.

 

[Etson]

Can’t be bothered to go back and look at what you’re cycle but I guess this trt+ isn’t a bad idea if you were a twink before.

Just know that Primo is very good only if have good hair genetics and you actually use dosages which do something

Add HGH if you can and the Var isn’t bad but again hair genetics + the gains are very mild.

Yeah male alopecia runs on my dads side, however Anavar is also DHT (which I didn't bother checking before I bought it lol) but Im on Fin and Minoxidil (oral) for life.

Yeah I'm 6'2 and was always a twig, I have the arms of a God damn monkey but there is finally some mass on my deltoids and triceps, and increased vascularity everywhere. Not even 2 years of me working out natural 5 days a week got me anywhere near what I've got on almost 2 months of Test.

I was thinking about HGH but there doesn't seem to be as good as Test. Maybe stacking the both amplifies it a bit but the data for Test is overwhelmingly, like that 1990's study with the 4 groups of users on 600mg of T, and the 10 week results were just incredible.

+ HGH is like $276.09 for 150iu's and the effective dosages seem to be 5+ minimum daily and the results seem meh to me.

I think what seems to be most effective is to creep up to get around 600mg. My pre-cycle E2 was 31 pg/mL and my Hematocrit/Hgb was actually low at 44% (149g) so I got a good amount of room.

 

[Jeremy Meeks]

Yeah male alopecia runs on my dads side, however Anavar is also DHT (which I didn't bother checking before I bought it lol) but Im on Fin and Minoxidil (oral) for life.

Yeah I'm 6'2 and was always a twig, I have the arms of a God damn monkey but there is finally some mass on my deltoids and triceps, and increased vascularity everywhere. Not even 2 years of me working out natural 5 days a week got me anywhere near what I've got on almost 2 months of Test.

I was thinking about HGH but there doesn't seem to be as good as Test. Maybe stacking the both amplifies it a bit but the data for Test is overwhelmingly, like that 1990's study with the 4 groups of users on 600mg of T, and the 10 week results were just incredible.

+ HGH is like $276.09 for 150iu's and the effective dosages seem to be 5+ minimum daily and the results seem meh to me.

I think what seems to be most effective is to creep up to get around 600mg. My pre-cycle E2 was 31 pg/mL and my Hematocrit/Hgb was actually low at 44% (149g) so I got a good amount of room.

Yeah anavar is dht but it’s not as bad for hair like mast or primo or winny.

You can find GH for cheaper but you’re right, the gains are minimal even when combined with test which multiplies the effects.