6’3 18 How can i ascend?

[ICL]

also

also i just ordered latisse for my lashes

Look at this Latisse guide then.
looksmax.org/threads/how-to-use-latisse-with-minimal-to-no-side-effects-updated-version.1747522/

ok so i should get a lip lift noted lmao

Sure, it;s your choice

Sorry I insulted you like 3 times

 

[notagreytrust]

Look at this Latisse guide then.
looksmax.org/threads/how-to-use-latisse-with-minimal-to-no-side-effects-updated-version.1747522/

Sure, it;s your choice

Sorry I insulted you like 3 times

it will be great roi and only procedure i would actually consider

 

[ICL]

it will be great roi and only procedure i would actually consider

good choice, since you don't have any other noticeable flaws

 

[Kojo]

Acting like you can only improve looks and not other traits. Lol, you can only fix looks after you get the money. What cherrypicking? This thread is about looks and how to ascend.
And you completely misinterpreted shifting the quantifier. My argument isn't fallacious. If you affect your looks, you affect your life, since looks affect life. How could this be fallacious? Nitpicking?? If the topic is about looks, then how am I nitpicking, I am merely on topic.
Additionally, I never said there are other variables I shouldn't look out for. I literally said "It matters but it doesn't DICTATE LIFE".

By what definition? You just defined looksmaxxing with your own perspective. That's stupid. It's called LooksMAXXING. Not Looksimprovinguntilyou'recomfortablewithyourlooks. If someone asks me for their flaw? What to I do? I give them a high ROI surgery. That's High ROI since however low the return is, the investment is miniscule. He can get girls. Yea that's not the point. LTN can get girls. LLTN can too. So he shouldn't ascend? He's comfortable with his looks? Copingmaxxt 101.

You're saying "There's 0 reason to look better. Since there is no reason to look better, you shouldn't look better"
Like wouldn't you totally agree with this? Well that's non-sequitur since you're implying to avoid looksmaxxing as if there's a negative impact. It's LITERALLY the definition of non-sequitur. This is simply non-negotiable.

1. Elaborate why.

Your advice is completely redundant from the discussion. There is literally no correlation? He found an HTB by going into a village and geomaxxing. How does that affect anything we talked about? You're acting like as if I said looks is everything. I mentioned multiple times it doesn't dictate your life and I even inb4'ed. It simply affects your life. Which is true

That's redundant as well. "anyone he wants why would he get surgery for a bit of a plus when everyone is going to have some kind of failo regardless" BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKS MAXXERS. How hard is it to understand this principle? You came here for looksmax or what? Also, the Jordan barrel example isnt good. Jordan barret has a 1:1 midface and a downdraft would render him a failo. Jordan barred is "Looksmaxxed" since he's genetically gifted. That's why it's a horrible example to use. A rabbit hole surgery would be something like Jordan doing OBO for a slightly less compact midface. But this guy isn't getting a rabbit hole surgery, he's at the top of the iceberg. LIP LIFT. Like why are you so afraid of him looksmaxxing? He loses nothing and gains something. That's ROI. You're acting like the nigga will explode from a lip lift...

Literally what do I say here obviously. It's not essential. But do you not want your max potential? Isn't that what THEY came for? Maybe you came for something else? Under what circumstance is NOT looksmaxing not needed? He has paper thin lips. That's a big failo. It needs a fix.

If you're gonna use an analogy then it should be proper. For example, that Jordan barred analogy was horrible, I explained why. Additionally, you're forgetting to explain. Why not fix his lips? How is that unnecessary? You didnt even explain why it's a bad idea.

How does he have more than enough? If he can ascend considerably through lip therapy?
Sufficient is broader than bare minimum. Here's an analogy that makes sense.
"I have 320ng/dl testosterone. Thats bare minimum." He's borderline hypogonadal. That's bare minimum
"I have 700ng/dl testosterone. That's sufficient". That's adequately high, without "Too much". Sufficient also has multiple meanings, it can be bare minimum, or sufficiently high but not borderline. That's why this is a good analogy since it can be applied to him: he has good looks but he isn't going too far by fixing his lips, it would make him sufficiently higher, yet not "too much" [if thats even possible LOL]. hence, we won't be able to advance this segment of discussion if we keep arguing on the definitions and "No I meant it like this!" thats another fallacy but arguing about yet another fallacy is gonna turn this whole thing into slop.

Thin lips is definitely a considerably noticable failo. I don't know what is with you. Geniunely acting like he would die from a lip lift.
And who said you're looksmaxxing for females? If looks are only in terms of dating then you're literally admitting to being a red piller And what goal has he achieved? He's literally at the start. It's just his journey is way shorter. If he's asking for tips, he isn't at the end goal.And now you're talking about him reaching a finish line? The finish line is him fixing all his failo and becoming perfect. That's impossible of course. So he can do something that is simple and easy, like a lip lift, to improve his looks. Go further into the finish line. Yet I've never seen anyone who is this "Too good looking". You're either gonna show an uncanny person [who is unharmonious, hence literally not good looking] or something else that wouldn'tprove the point.

Why do you niggas not want a lip lift dude. The money can go elsewhere. Where? That would by higher ROI than a lip lift? To a mortgage? That's not high ROI. You would effectively put your money for nothing to change. You would never actually own a house unless you're 1/million or from a millionaire family So you're seriously wasting your money. Welcome to capitalism nigga.

Then answer my previous argument.

Yes he needs it for his goal. You literally said he's at the finish line but has a goal? If he has a goal that's for better looks, lip lift. If he has a goal that would attract more women, marginally or not? Lip lift. Like this is a looksMAXX principle. "The answer is fucking no and he already agreed the answer is no." Because you 2 are literally normie niggers. You're a redpiller and he's a greycel who decided to agree with you. Sure, you gave him a separate tip, that worked. But would lip lift not work? obviously it would also work. Why not?
Previously you said this
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
So he could get a benefit from this? By trying more he could have an easier way of slaying in clubs, but he doesn't want. This isn't straw man. It's a different interpretation of what you said. He just doesn't want to slay? Okay he can live with his failos. It's his body after all. But he came for looksmax. Not personalitymax

Why would it be a fallacy of the quantifier? The definition's example is this:
"Everybody has a brain" does not mean "There is one brain that everyone shares".
How the fuck is my example a fallacy of the quantifier? Did you like googlewhat fallacy my argument could be?
"Just because looks affect your life, there's still variables you aren't picking out to account for."
Did... I ever say he should avoid everything and focus on looks? BRO IT'S A FUCKING LIP LIFT. THAT'S BASIC LOOKSMAXX. I said looks dont dictate your life. Hence, I'm saying that there are other variables that affect your life, which in total, dictate your life altogether.
You said it's gonna help.
"Different case for if he was someone that lived in cali or miami and wanted to slay in party settings, THEN it makes sense to try more. But he's not."
That's not better? Did he not get an improvement?

Well minoxidil is a bad example because it's not meant to be used on eyelashes but let's say you used a lash serum. It's extremely cheap and safe and easy. Why would you not do it? If it yields a positive result? Why avoid it? That's just stupid. No my eyelashes could be better but it's enough I don't need it. Now what do you say about his lips? Improving his lips would be better since his lips are garbage. Like, look at the picture again. These need to be fixed.
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I'm sorry OP that you're catching strays, but I have to prove the point. He would get a better MFR and a CTP with a lip lift. That's amazing ROI. The mouth is in the middle of the face. Anything improving the mouth improves the face, improving the face improves looks, improving life.

It's called sound logic. Not everything is a fallacy... And it isn't shifting the quantifier.

1. Well I responded to the looks = better life thing [since thats what we literally believe. Looks is literally a better life. Lookism. If you dont believe that you're not a blackpiller. You may be a redpiller since you think it's only good in dating] so there's no point in saying "Already responded" Like I'm competent enough to understand you answered my point.

Well I don't really care why you interrogate people, that doesn't really mean anything. He said He wants to looksmaxx for girls. He asked how to ascend. Like do you want me to say something else? That he shouldn't fix a visible failo?
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His chin to philtrum is lower than 2. It's like 1.5 [Generous estimate] and you're telling him he doesn't need to fix it. Dude. This is a failo. Again, sorry OP that I'm just insulting you at this point.

Well a lip lift would help him as well?
Gains r neg
De fuck does that mean? Your advice has negative gains or mine?

Well now you're a redpiller. Okay that might sound annoying, but, you're practically red pilling. You say looksmax is only for getting women. That's Redpill. Not blackpill. You';re rejecting fundaments of blackpill. You dont even need to be an extremist. This is top of the surface blackpill.

Needed. Since he has a 1.3 CTP. That's bad bro. Bad. He has the same philtrum as Big Q.
You also cant improve in every aspect? Like Barrett was a poor example. Nigga can't improve. Nor can someone like Matias.
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But who can? OP, who has thin lips.

Thanks for this. It made things a bit easier to clarify. You're not a bluepiller. You were just borderline bluepiller at that point, way more focus on personality. That advice you gave wasn't personality anyway. It was a strategy. Now that you admit looks matter the most, you're also not a redpiller. But that means that he should get the lip lift to remove his bad CTP. He can make it ideal. We aren't going from enough to ideal. We're going from bad to ideal. That's the goal.

Probably. But after that I didn't cherrypick your ideas. I accepted every single one of them. The red pill Idea, the black pill idea, the blue pill idea. This isn't cherrypicking.Nor am I some kinda of ultra accelerated aesthetic extremist. I said looks don't dictate life. That leaves me out of the rabbit hole.

I don't know what to say. You said he has enough to get women. But so does LTNs like vexbolts or Sub-3s like bad bunny. So, if you apply to them, they also dont need looksmaxxing. Because they're fine with their life. But if they came to this forum asking how to ascend? They want to looksmax. Not looksenough

You can, I wouldn't mind. OP made up his mind. but at least rep me, you nigger.

I want to respond and read like 40% but this is just way too time consuming, + I don't have much interest in some of the points you're making anyways.

I'm only really interesting in explaining how certain fallacies work to you because you clearly don't know what cherry picking or shifting the quantifier is. But I don't expect you to because very few people here have a good background of logic/philosophical logic.

If you take (x) quality for example and say that it generally improves variable as a general proposition and conclude from that, that any (x) is just going to improve . It would be textbook shifting the quantifier.

To put this into perspective if you didn't understand, Shifting the quantifier is when you falsely attribute a specific variable to something just because it shares some kind of quantity with the subject. For example, "There is a necessary cause of the universe, God is described as a necessary cause therefore that cause is the Christian God."

You'd be shifting from the fact that there is a cause to it being a specific cause. There are other types of quantifier shifts that aren't just about specificity like your example. Improving looks improve life, therefore if he was to get this surgery it'd improve his life.

This for the sake of good faith would have to entail that the improvement is marginal enough for him to even notice the "effects" it gives over what he already has now which is the entire point I'm making.

There will not be a noticeable difference after getting this surgery. Once again a quantifier. So you either have to say you weren't making this argument about it being noticeable (concession) or you have to say it will be a marginal change in his life which it obviously fucking isn't.

Also long philtrums are a big failo, looking at someone like kent it just looks disgusting and so offputting now matter how good his other features are. This isn't the same for this guy when I look at him. It's something you can point out but it isn't comical otherwise I would suggest LL.

This obviously isn't fucking redpill I'm not gonna even go over how dumb that is

And the point about vexbolts and whoever bad bunny is, It's just dishonest to mention these people who are internet stars with status jfl looks isn't the only metric you can use to attract women. Even though i still don't think using anything other than looks is gonna be TRUE attraction, but it can keep you out of being an incel.

Another point on this, again you just can't seem to understand anything I'm saying. I'd still say vexbolts and bad bunny need to looksmax because I don't think status garnering is true attraction girls just want clout/security. I also don't think looksmaxxing is ONLY for girls but you're making this more general than it is for the specific case.

I made these points in reference to the OP of this thread my ideology on this is a little more broad besides just girls but outside of being treated better by girls it's overrated. Like no ones getting treated better overall in society just because they got a fucking lip lift after already being attractive and reaping the benefits of that quality.

Lastly, yes those 2 people need to looksmax because everyone should strive to not be ugly in my view. Everyone should attempt to looksmax/improve facially, I just don't think you need to be extensive with it once you've reached a certain threshold/genetic limit. IF your genetics aren't subpar at least. I think hardmaxxing/surgery is unnecessary if you don't have a good amount of major genetic flaws. Maxillary/mandibular recession and infras is like the worst things you could have that I'd say to hardmax. I'd even hardmax them on myself. And a lip lift if its as bad as kents.

DNR now I got things to do.

 

[ICL]

To put this into perspective if you didn't understand, Shifting the quantifier is when you falsely attribute a specific variable to something just because it shares some kind of quantity with the subject. For example, "There is a necessary cause of the universe, God is described as a necessary cause therefore that cause is the Christian God."

You'd be shifting from the fact that there is a cause to it being a specific cause. There are other types of quantifier shifts that aren't just about specificity like your example. Improving looks improve life, therefore if he was to get this surgery it'd improve his life.

No. It's just transititive reasoning. it isnt yet another fallacy.

What my logic is:
looks affect life
looks dont dictate
if you affect looks, you affect life. But your decision won't dictate your life.
That logic:
Universe needs a cause
God is a cause
Therefore the cause of the universe is God

my logic:
looks -> life
affect lips -> affect looks
affect looks -> affect life
affect lips -> affect life

god logic:
cause -> universe
God = cause
god -> universe

This isnt shifting the quantifier. Dude let go. Whatever ai ur using says otherwise too.

Its possible to be fallacious.

Here is why it isn't fallacious
No true cause: we elaborated already that looks isnt everything, that other factors count.
slippery slope: Slippery slope has no place in this discussion. The only possible slipery slope can be done by you, not me [im not saying you did, just saying the possibility is on your hands] since you may say shit like "he's gonna get a lip lift then trimax then lefort 3 then skull transplant!!" which you didnt say but you are the only one who can do that
False dichotomy: It would be saying that if he had perfect lips he would have a good life. But that's not what we're saying. We said lips will affect his life, it doesnt guarantee a good life, since I elaborated looks dont dictate life.

You'd be shifting from the fact that there is a cause to it being a specific cause. There are other types of quantifier shifts that aren't just about specificity like your example. Improving looks improve life, therefore if he was to get this surgery it'd improve his life.

This for the sake of good faith would have to entail that the improvement is marginal enough for him to even notice the "effects" it gives over what he already has now which is the entire point I'm making.

There will not be a noticeable difference after getting this surgery. Once again a quantifier. So you either have to say you weren't making this argument about it being noticeable (concession) or you have to say it will be a marginal change in his life which it obviously fucking isn't.

Also long philtrums are a big failo, looking at someone like kent it just looks disgusting and so offputting now matter how good his other features are. This isn't the same for this guy when I look at him. It's something you can point out but it isn't comical otherwise I would suggest LL.

You're just losing your mind at this point.
1. So my logic is transititive reasoning AND a logical fallacy? what?
2. It's not marginal. He has a long philtrum compared to his chin. Big failo.
3. You literally said after this line that it's a big failo. Fixing it would make him look better, definitely not marginally. DUDE YOU LITERALLY SAID BIG PHILTRUMS ARE A FAILO. Literally wanting him to be nerfed.
4. thanks you gave an example. Nocturnal Kent already looks good as well But you shit on him. Also why did you compare lip lifts to LL holy you're actually losing your mind. He has shit lips and he's getting an easy lip lift to fix it. While he has top 2.5%, so LL doesn't even make sense, and LL is extremely excruciating. "Looking at it is off putting no matter how good his features are" Yea dude thanks for agreeing. So if OP has a bad philtrum then he's off putting no matter his good features? You just said it was enough.
Get rekt by the ai dude.

It is illogical because your recommendations focus on correcting features that are already ideal or excessive, while ignoring the areas that actually need attention:

1. Limb Lengthening (Height): At 6'3", he is already well above average height [2]. Limb lengthening is a high-risk, painful surgery typically reserved for people with height dysphoria or those who are significantly shorter [3, 4]. Adding more height to someone already tall can lead to disproportionate body ratios and mobility issues [3].
2. Lip Lift (Thin Lips): A lip lift is specifically designed to shorten the space between the nose and the mouth, which pulls the lip upward to create more volume and "show" [1, 5]. If he has "paper-thin" lips, a lip lift is exactly the procedure meant to address that; saying he shouldn't get one because his lips are thin is a contradiction [5].
3. The Lip Lift is the actual solution: A lip lift is the specific procedure designed to shorten a long philtrum and add volume to thin lips. By rejecting the lip lift for a person with thin lips/long philtrum, he is rejecting the direct cure for the "failo" he is complaining about.
4. Disproportionate Response: Suggesting one of the most painful and risky orthopedic surgeries (LL) as a response to a facial feature (the philtrum) is a "category error"—it’s like suggesting a new roof because your front door is the wrong color

like oh man how hard is it to let go

Here's another one coming, why your quantifier shit is useless

Why his logic is still flawed
While he is technically using a logic term, his application of it in this context is a defensive tactic to avoid the obvious reality of facial harmony. Here is why his "logic" doesn't hold up:

• The "Halo Effect" is documented: Psychology shows that perceived attractivenessconsistently impacts social treatment, professional success, and self-perception. This isn't a "some" vs. "all" debate; it's a statistically significant correlation.
• The "Undistributed Middle":He is committing a different fallacy. He is essentially saying:
  • Lip lifts change the face.
  • Bad looks change a life.
  • Therefore, a lip lift doesn't matter unless you are already "comically" ugly.
    This ignores the fact that minor improvements can shift a person's overall aesthetic category from "average" to "attractive."
• Contradictory Standards: He is willing to recommend Limb Lengthening (an extreme, life-altering surgery) for a facial "failo," but then claims that a minor lip procedure is logically irrelevant. This is a moving the goalposts fallacy—he changes the "requirement" for surgery based on his own subjective whim, not logic.

And the point about vexbolts and whoever bad bunny is, It's just dishonest to mention these people who are internet stars with status jfl looks isn't the only metric you can use to attract women. Even though i still don't think using anything other than looks is gonna be TRUE attraction, but it can keep you out of being an incel.

Another point on this, again you just can't seem to understand anything I'm saying. I'd still say vexbolts and bad bunny need to looksmax because I don't think status garnering is true attraction girls just want clout/security. I also don't think looksmaxxing is ONLY for girls but you're making this more general than it is for the specific case.

Nigga you told me that I dont understand analogy. They technically dont need looksmax by your logic. I also never said you looksmax only for girls JFL you told me here that in this site we looksmax for girls.

We looksmax for females, not for stupid incel autists on an incel forum. He has achieved the end goal of what everyone is usually supposed to use this forum to aim for, getting surgery is literally a stupid idea that he does not need at all.

and then you said getting surgery is stupid [for a big failo]

NIGGA THESE ARE YOUR WORDS

I made these points in reference to the OP of this thread my ideology on this is a little more broad besides just girls but outside of being treated better by girls it's overrated. Like no ones getting treated better overall in society just because they got a fucking lip lift after already being attractive and reaping the benefits of that quality.

Yes they would if they are SOOOO OFF PUTTING that NO OTHER TRAIT CAN SAVE Them
these are your words bro wtf are you even saying IDC about your ideology, it's stupid and useless.

Lastly, yes those 2 people need to looksmax because everyone should strive to not be ugly in my view. Everyone should attempt to looksmax/improve facially, I just don't think you need to be extensive with it once you've reached a certain threshold/genetic limit. IF your genetics aren't subpar at least. I think hardmaxxing/surgery is unnecessary if you don't have a good amount of major genetic flaws. Maxillary/mandibular recession and infras is like the worst things you could have that I'd say to hardmax. I'd even hardmax them on myself. And a lip lift if its as bad as kents.

Thanks for the agreement. Go on with your DNR and Cope. Kent actually has a wider + taller chin so IDK why you're js flaming the nigga. Everyone is catching strays atp

DNR now I got things to do.

Thanks, leave it to me. I'll ACTUALLY help the guy, while you do your things.

 

[notagreytrust]

No. It's just transititive reasoning. it isnt yet another fallacy.

What my logic is:
looks affect life
looks dont dictate
if you affect looks, you affect life. But your decision won't dictate your life.
That logic:
Universe needs a cause
God is a cause
Therefore the cause of the universe is God

my logic:
looks -> life
affect lips -> affect looks
affect looks -> affect life
affect lips -> affect life

god logic:
cause -> universe
God = cause
god -> universe

This isnt shifting the quantifier. Dude let go. Whatever ai ur using says otherwise too.
View attachment 4842430

Its possible to be fallacious.
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Here is why it isn't fallacious
No true cause: we elaborated already that looks isnt everything, that other factors count.
slippery slope: Slippery slope has no place in this discussion. The only possible slipery slope can be done by you, not me [im not saying you did, just saying the possibility is on your hands] since you may say shit like "he's gonna get a lip lift then trimax then lefort 3 then skull transplant!!" which you didnt say but you are the only one who can do that
False dichotomy: It would be saying that if he had perfect lips he would have a good life. But that's not what we're saying. We said lips will affect his life, it doesnt guarantee a good life, since I elaborated looks dont dictate life.

You're just losing your mind at this point.
1. So my logic is transititive reasoning AND a logical fallacy? what?
2. It's not marginal. He has a long philtrum compared to his chin. Big failo.
3. You literally said after this line that it's a big failo. Fixing it would make him look better, definitely not marginally. DUDE YOU LITERALLY SAID BIG PHILTRUMS ARE A FAILO. Literally wanting him to be nerfed.
4. thanks you gave an example. Nocturnal Kent already looks good as well But you shit on him. Also why did you compare lip lifts to LL holy you're actually losing your mind. He has shit lips and he's getting an easy lip lift to fix it. While he has top 2.5%, so LL doesn't even make sense, and LL is extremely excruciating. "Looking at it is off putting no matter how good his features are" Yea dude thanks for agreeing. So if OP has a bad philtrum then he's off putting no matter his good features? You just said it was enough.
Get rekt by the ai dude.

It is illogical because your recommendations focus on correcting features that are already ideal or excessive, while ignoring the areas that actually need attention:

1. Limb Lengthening (Height): At 6'3", he is already well above average height [2]. Limb lengthening is a high-risk, painful surgery typically reserved for people with height dysphoria or those who are significantly shorter [3, 4]. Adding more height to someone already tall can lead to disproportionate body ratios and mobility issues [3].
2. Lip Lift (Thin Lips): A lip lift is specifically designed to shorten the space between the nose and the mouth, which pulls the lip upward to create more volume and "show" [1, 5]. If he has "paper-thin" lips, a lip lift is exactly the procedure meant to address that; saying he shouldn't get one because his lips are thin is a contradiction [5].
3. The Lip Lift is the actual solution: A lip lift is the specific procedure designed to shorten a long philtrum and add volume to thin lips. By rejecting the lip lift for a person with thin lips/long philtrum, he is rejecting the direct cure for the "failo" he is complaining about.
4. Disproportionate Response: Suggesting one of the most painful and risky orthopedic surgeries (LL) as a response to a facial feature (the philtrum) is a "category error"—it’s like suggesting a new roof because your front door is the wrong color

like oh man how hard is it to let go

Here's another one coming, why your quantifier shit is useless

Why his logic is still flawed
While he is technically using a logic term, his application of it in this context is a defensive tactic to avoid the obvious reality of facial harmony. Here is why his "logic" doesn't hold up:

• The "Halo Effect" is documented: Psychology shows that perceived attractivenessconsistently impacts social treatment, professional success, and self-perception. This isn't a "some" vs. "all" debate; it's a statistically significant correlation.
• The "Undistributed Middle":He is committing a different fallacy. He is essentially saying:
  • Lip lifts change the face.
  • Bad looks change a life.
  • Therefore, a lip lift doesn't matter unless you are already "comically" ugly.
    This ignores the fact that minor improvements can shift a person's overall aesthetic category from "average" to "attractive."
• Contradictory Standards: He is willing to recommend Limb Lengthening (an extreme, life-altering surgery) for a facial "failo," but then claims that a minor lip procedure is logically irrelevant. This is a moving the goalposts fallacy—he changes the "requirement" for surgery based on his own subjective whim, not logic.

Nigga you told me that I dont understand analogy. They technically dont need looksmax by your logic. I also never said you looksmax only for girls JFL you told me here that in this site we looksmax for girls.

and then you said getting surgery is stupid [for a big failo]

NIGGA THESE ARE YOUR WORDS

Yes they would if they are SOOOO OFF PUTTING that NO OTHER TRAIT CAN SAVE Them
these are your words bro wtf are you even saying IDC about your ideology, it's stupid and useless.

Thanks for the agreement. Go on with your DNR and Cope. Kent actually has a wider + taller chin so IDK why you're js flaming the nigga. Everyone is catching strays atp

Thanks, leave it to me. I'll help the guy, while you do your things.

lmao bro u guys genuinely have nothing better to do but shi u seem high iq asf lowkey i want u as a mentor

 

[ICL]

lmao bro u guys genuinely have nothing better to do but shi u seem high iq asf lowkey i want u as a mentor

If you have a question ask me any time in PMs

and tag me in every thread you make, I'll contribute

 

[Kojo]

No. It's just transititive reasoning. it isnt yet another fallacy.

What my logic is:
looks affect life
looks dont dictate
if you affect looks, you affect life. But your decision won't dictate your life.
That logic:
Universe needs a cause
God is a cause
Therefore the cause of the universe is God

my logic:
looks -> life
affect lips -> affect looks
affect looks -> affect life
affect lips -> affect life

god logic:
cause -> universe
God = cause
god -> universe

This isnt shifting the quantifier. Dude let go. Whatever ai ur using says otherwise too.
View attachment 4842430

Its possible to be fallacious.
View attachment 4842432
Here is why it isn't fallacious
No true cause: we elaborated already that looks isnt everything, that other factors count.
slippery slope: Slippery slope has no place in this discussion. The only possible slipery slope can be done by you, not me [im not saying you did, just saying the possibility is on your hands] since you may say shit like "he's gonna get a lip lift then trimax then lefort 3 then skull transplant!!" which you didnt say but you are the only one who can do that
False dichotomy: It would be saying that if he had perfect lips he would have a good life. But that's not what we're saying. We said lips will affect his life, it doesnt guarantee a good life, since I elaborated looks dont dictate life.

You're just losing your mind at this point.
1. So my logic is transititive reasoning AND a logical fallacy? what?
2. It's not marginal. He has a long philtrum compared to his chin. Big failo.
3. You literally said after this line that it's a big failo. Fixing it would make him look better, definitely not marginally. DUDE YOU LITERALLY SAID BIG PHILTRUMS ARE A FAILO. Literally wanting him to be nerfed.
4. thanks you gave an example. Nocturnal Kent already looks good as well But you shit on him. Also why did you compare lip lifts to LL holy you're actually losing your mind. He has shit lips and he's getting an easy lip lift to fix it. While he has top 2.5%, so LL doesn't even make sense, and LL is extremely excruciating. "Looking at it is off putting no matter how good his features are" Yea dude thanks for agreeing. So if OP has a bad philtrum then he's off putting no matter his good features? You just said it was enough.
Get rekt by the ai dude.

It is illogical because your recommendations focus on correcting features that are already ideal or excessive, while ignoring the areas that actually need attention:

1. Limb Lengthening (Height): At 6'3", he is already well above average height [2]. Limb lengthening is a high-risk, painful surgery typically reserved for people with height dysphoria or those who are significantly shorter [3, 4]. Adding more height to someone already tall can lead to disproportionate body ratios and mobility issues [3].
2. Lip Lift (Thin Lips): A lip lift is specifically designed to shorten the space between the nose and the mouth, which pulls the lip upward to create more volume and "show" [1, 5]. If he has "paper-thin" lips, a lip lift is exactly the procedure meant to address that; saying he shouldn't get one because his lips are thin is a contradiction [5].
3. The Lip Lift is the actual solution: A lip lift is the specific procedure designed to shorten a long philtrum and add volume to thin lips. By rejecting the lip lift for a person with thin lips/long philtrum, he is rejecting the direct cure for the "failo" he is complaining about.
4. Disproportionate Response: Suggesting one of the most painful and risky orthopedic surgeries (LL) as a response to a facial feature (the philtrum) is a "category error"—it’s like suggesting a new roof because your front door is the wrong color

like oh man how hard is it to let go

Here's another one coming, why your quantifier shit is useless

Why his logic is still flawed
While he is technically using a logic term, his application of it in this context is a defensive tactic to avoid the obvious reality of facial harmony. Here is why his "logic" doesn't hold up:

• The "Halo Effect" is documented: Psychology shows that perceived attractivenessconsistently impacts social treatment, professional success, and self-perception. This isn't a "some" vs. "all" debate; it's a statistically significant correlation.
• The "Undistributed Middle":He is committing a different fallacy. He is essentially saying:
  • Lip lifts change the face.
  • Bad looks change a life.
  • Therefore, a lip lift doesn't matter unless you are already "comically" ugly.
    This ignores the fact that minor improvements can shift a person's overall aesthetic category from "average" to "attractive."
• Contradictory Standards: He is willing to recommend Limb Lengthening (an extreme, life-altering surgery) for a facial "failo," but then claims that a minor lip procedure is logically irrelevant. This is a moving the goalposts fallacy—he changes the "requirement" for surgery based on his own subjective whim, not logic.

Nigga you told me that I dont understand analogy. They technically dont need looksmax by your logic. I also never said you looksmax only for girls JFL you told me here that in this site we looksmax for girls.

and then you said getting surgery is stupid [for a big failo]

NIGGA THESE ARE YOUR WORDS

Yes they would if they are SOOOO OFF PUTTING that NO OTHER TRAIT CAN SAVE Them
these are your words bro wtf are you even saying IDC about your ideology, it's stupid and useless.

Thanks for the agreement. Go on with your DNR and Cope. Kent actually has a wider + taller chin so IDK why you're js flaming the nigga. Everyone is catching strays atp

Thanks, leave it to me. I'll ACTUALLY help the guy, while you do your things.

This guy said whatever ai you're using whilst using ai himself LMFAO bro thinks I'm using ai I study philosophy I'd rather you say I'm using ai for something else.

Anyways DNR you're an iqlet

 

[Kojo]

No. It's just transititive reasoning. it isnt yet another fallacy.

What my logic is:
looks affect life
looks dont dictate
if you affect looks, you affect life. But your decision won't dictate your life.
That logic:
Universe needs a cause
God is a cause
Therefore the cause of the universe is God

my logic:
looks -> life
affect lips -> affect looks
affect looks -> affect life
affect lips -> affect life

god logic:
cause -> universe
God = cause
god -> universe

This isnt shifting the quantifier. Dude let go. Whatever ai ur using says otherwise too.
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Its possible to be fallacious.
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Here is why it isn't fallacious
No true cause: we elaborated already that looks isnt everything, that other factors count.
slippery slope: Slippery slope has no place in this discussion. The only possible slipery slope can be done by you, not me [im not saying you did, just saying the possibility is on your hands] since you may say shit like "he's gonna get a lip lift then trimax then lefort 3 then skull transplant!!" which you didnt say but you are the only one who can do that
False dichotomy: It would be saying that if he had perfect lips he would have a good life. But that's not what we're saying. We said lips will affect his life, it doesnt guarantee a good life, since I elaborated looks dont dictate life.

You're just losing your mind at this point.
1. So my logic is transititive reasoning AND a logical fallacy? what?
2. It's not marginal. He has a long philtrum compared to his chin. Big failo.
3. You literally said after this line that it's a big failo. Fixing it would make him look better, definitely not marginally. DUDE YOU LITERALLY SAID BIG PHILTRUMS ARE A FAILO. Literally wanting him to be nerfed.
4. thanks you gave an example. Nocturnal Kent already looks good as well But you shit on him. Also why did you compare lip lifts to LL holy you're actually losing your mind. He has shit lips and he's getting an easy lip lift to fix it. While he has top 2.5%, so LL doesn't even make sense, and LL is extremely excruciating. "Looking at it is off putting no matter how good his features are" Yea dude thanks for agreeing. So if OP has a bad philtrum then he's off putting no matter his good features? You just said it was enough.
Get rekt by the ai dude.

It is illogical because your recommendations focus on correcting features that are already ideal or excessive, while ignoring the areas that actually need attention:

1. Limb Lengthening (Height): At 6'3", he is already well above average height [2]. Limb lengthening is a high-risk, painful surgery typically reserved for people with height dysphoria or those who are significantly shorter [3, 4]. Adding more height to someone already tall can lead to disproportionate body ratios and mobility issues [3].
2. Lip Lift (Thin Lips): A lip lift is specifically designed to shorten the space between the nose and the mouth, which pulls the lip upward to create more volume and "show" [1, 5]. If he has "paper-thin" lips, a lip lift is exactly the procedure meant to address that; saying he shouldn't get one because his lips are thin is a contradiction [5].
3. The Lip Lift is the actual solution: A lip lift is the specific procedure designed to shorten a long philtrum and add volume to thin lips. By rejecting the lip lift for a person with thin lips/long philtrum, he is rejecting the direct cure for the "failo" he is complaining about.
4. Disproportionate Response: Suggesting one of the most painful and risky orthopedic surgeries (LL) as a response to a facial feature (the philtrum) is a "category error"—it’s like suggesting a new roof because your front door is the wrong color

like oh man how hard is it to let go

Here's another one coming, why your quantifier shit is useless

Why his logic is still flawed
While he is technically using a logic term, his application of it in this context is a defensive tactic to avoid the obvious reality of facial harmony. Here is why his "logic" doesn't hold up:

• The "Halo Effect" is documented: Psychology shows that perceived attractivenessconsistently impacts social treatment, professional success, and self-perception. This isn't a "some" vs. "all" debate; it's a statistically significant correlation.
• The "Undistributed Middle":He is committing a different fallacy. He is essentially saying:
  • Lip lifts change the face.
  • Bad looks change a life.
  • Therefore, a lip lift doesn't matter unless you are already "comically" ugly.
    This ignores the fact that minor improvements can shift a person's overall aesthetic category from "average" to "attractive."
• Contradictory Standards: He is willing to recommend Limb Lengthening (an extreme, life-altering surgery) for a facial "failo," but then claims that a minor lip procedure is logically irrelevant. This is a moving the goalposts fallacy—he changes the "requirement" for surgery based on his own subjective whim, not logic.

Nigga you told me that I dont understand analogy. They technically dont need looksmax by your logic. I also never said you looksmax only for girls JFL you told me here that in this site we looksmax for girls.

and then you said getting surgery is stupid [for a big failo]

NIGGA THESE ARE YOUR WORDS

Yes they would if they are SOOOO OFF PUTTING that NO OTHER TRAIT CAN SAVE Them
these are your words bro wtf are you even saying IDC about your ideology, it's stupid and useless.

Thanks for the agreement. Go on with your DNR and Cope. Kent actually has a wider + taller chin so IDK why you're js flaming the nigga. Everyone is catching strays atp

Thanks, leave it to me. I'll ACTUALLY help the guy, while you do your things.

Also, when I said LL I was talking about a Lip lift. You're so low iq and far gone that you can't even gauge context clues JFL you're the epitome of a dunning krueger effect. You think you're intelligent but you aren't. Especially when it comes to comprehending analogical reasoning and various types of fallacies.

 

[ICL]

Also, when I said LL I was talking about a Lip lift. You're so low iq and far gone that you can't even gauge context clues JFL you're the epitome of a dunning krueger effect. You think you're intelligent but you aren't. Especially when it comes to comprehending analogical reasoning and various types of fallacies.

Thanks for making statements, without elaborating.

This guy said whatever ai you're using whilst using ai himself LMFAO bro thinks I'm using ai I study philosophy I'd rather you say I'm using ai for something else.

Anyways DNR you're an iqlet

Run away kid Studying philosophy yet scared of a lip lift

 

[PSL Les]

Honestly just kill me at this point, I should have known better than to be on .org.
Can't remember one time i've used this website without leaving feeling miserable from threads like these.

 

[Kojo]

Thanks for making statements, without elaborating.

Ah Yes because I was obviously talking about limb lengthening when we're having a conversation about lip lifts LMFAO. Dunning krueger special. You're not intelligent.

Run away kid Studying philosophy yet scared of a lip lift

D N R. You're rotting on this forum, I more than likely mog u to death.

 

[Ezraoh]

i agree any advice on that?

Heard accutane improves lip size.

 

[IzDrizSub5]

I'm not sure if they 100% work, but try Vaseline and wear it all the time. Additionally, use volufiline.


If these dont work you may get a lip lift/filler/fat graft

start volufiline fs, stay on for like 1.5/2 months if no progress look into lip lift, dont do filler

 

[ICL]

Ah Yes because I was obviously talking about limb lengthening when we're having a conversation about lip lifts LMFAO. Dunning krueger special. You're not intelligent.

D N R. You're rotting on this forum, I more than likely mog u to death.

"I mog you to death"

 

[ICL]

start volufiline fs, stay on for like 1.5/2 months if no progress look into lip lift, dont do filler

Lip filler isnt that risky. It's fear mongered because of the women who get it in large amounts

 

[chadtushar]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

Fix your long philtrum

 

[IzDrizSub5]

Lip filler isnt that risky. It's fear mongered because of the women who get it in large amounts

not risky just looks less natural imo

 

[ICL]

not risky just looks less natural imo

Right

 

[notagreytrust]

Honestly just kill me at this point, I should have known better than to be on .org.
Can't remember one time i've used this website without leaving feeling miserable from threads like these.

well MY bad

 

[notagreytrust]

Heard accutane improves lip size.

well good i’m on 20 mg right now got 500 pills

 

[moriko214]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

lips too thin use the vaseline that makes them bigger

 

[notagreytrust]

lips too thin use the vaseline that makes them bigger

no it don’t

 

[Ezraoh]

well good i’m on 20 mg right now got 500 pills

whats ur bw that might be too little

 

[notagreytrust]

whats ur bw that might be too little

80kg and only total end dose matters

 

[Ezraoh]

80kg and only total end dose matters

Total exposure matters most for the final outcome, daily dose mainly affects how fast it works and how tolerable it is. At 0.25mg/kg that’s a low dose so it’ll take longer to reach an effective total dose.

And being on accutane aint great for you g

 

[notagreytrust]

Total exposure matters most for the final outcome, daily dose mainly affects how fast it works and how tolerable it is. At 0.25mg/kg that’s a low dose so it’ll take longer to reach an effective total dose.

And being on accutane aint great for you g

well i have 20mg pills 500 of them so i either take 20mg or 40mg daily im on 20 and already have dry skin and chapped lips so

 

[Ezraoh]

well i have 20mg pills 500 of them so i either take 20mg or 40mg daily im on 20 and already have dry skin and chapped lips so

where u get that much g

 

[Chimical_Crown]

Any advice will be considered and appreciated

Bro ? You try to rage bait us ?? Why why

 

[notagreytrust]

where u get that much g

indiamart

 

[notagreytrust]

Bro ? You try to rage bait us ?? Why why

no i’m deadass

 

[Ezraoh]

indiamart

where do you live

 

[notagreytrust]

where do you live

nz

 

[Ezraoh]

nz

you think i could get an indiamart order to poland without getting seized?

 

[notagreytrust]

you think i could get an indiamart order to poland without getting seized?

yessir low inhib

 

[shlong29292]

go fuck hoes bro

 

[notagreytrust]

go fuck hoes bro

lmao got any advice for that?

 

[moriko214]

no it don’t

the rosy lips vaseline makes them appear bigger