A Diet That You Can't Sustain for the Rest of Your Life is a Diet Not Worth Going On At All*

[Part-Time Chad]

Forget all these trendy ultra-low-carb and ultra-low-fat diets. The same thing goes for those insane 6-day workout programs.

Do they work to make you built and lean? Sure. But you're not going to be able to stick with such an extreme diet and training regimen forever. Once you inevitably fall off, you're going to go back to being either fat, or skinny-fat, at best.

I had a friend who went on an almost zero-carb diet a few years ago. This guy was insanely committed. He suffered through that diet for many months and weight-trained like crazy, almost every day. He eventually managed to reach 4% body fat. I'm not kidding. He was shredded and looked great. Hot foids were routinely hitting on him at the gym. But, after a little over a year of that insanity, he slowly started to back off because the intensity was getting to him. Mind you, this guy swore to me that he was going to eat and train like this for the rest of his life. I couldn't convince him otherwise.

Guess what happened? In less than 6 months, he went back to 19% body fat, and his Cinderella, fairly-tale life was over.

Moral of the story? Create a diet and workout program that you can realistically stick to for the rest of your life. I see a lot of young, ethusiastic kids on here with ambitious and totally unrealistic fitness goals. Your best bet (which I adopted myself) is to consume a diet of moderately-high protein and moderate carbs and fat. I can stick to those macros for life. I allow myself 2 "cheat days" a month, where I can eat whatever I want, as much as I want. This keeps me from feeling deprived.
I weight train 2-3 days a week for one-hour sessions. This allows me time to have a life, instead of being in the gym all the time.

And, guess what? I'm still losing fat and maintaining muscle eating and training like this, so you probably don't have to go to extremes yourself. Once I reach about 10% body fat, I'll maintain the same macros but I'll increase my calories to maintenance level.

A little common sense goes a long way.



* This advice, obviously, doesn't apply if you're a competitive bodybuilder or fitness competitor. They go on extreme diets to get into top condition before a show, but then consume a more reasonable diet off-season.

 

[cash.org]

 

[boxing-cel]

Nope.

Crash dieting works.

You can lose 10kg of pure fat in like a month or two.

 

[Navity]

Nope.

Crash dieting works.

You can lose 10kg of pure fat in like a month or two.

"Pure fat" Pack it up squeak.

 

[Navity]

Forget all these trendy ultra-low-carb and ultra-low-fat diets. The same thing goes for those insane 6-day workout programs.

Do they work to make you built and lean? Sure. But you're not going to be able to stick with such an extreme diet and training regimen forever. Once you inevitably fall off, you're going to go back to being either fat, or skinny-fat, at best.

I had a friend who went on an almost zero-carb diet a few years ago. This guy was insanely committed. He suffered through that diet for many months and weight-trained like crazy, almost every day. He eventually managed to reach 4% body fat. I'm not kidding. He was shredded and looked great. Hot foids were routinely hitting on him at the gym. But, after a little over a year of that insanity, he slowly started to back off because the intensity was getting to him. Mind you, this guy swore to me that he was going to eat and train like this for the rest of his life. I couldn't convince him otherwise.

Guess what happened? In less than 6 months, he went back to 19% body fat, and his Cinderella, fairly-tale life was over.

Moral of the story? Create a diet and workout program that you can realistically stick to for the rest of your life. I see a lot of young, ethusiastic kids on here with ambitious and totally unrealistic fitness goals. Your best bet (which I adopted myself) is to consume a diet of moderately-high protein and moderate carbs and fat. I can stick to those macros for life. I allow myself 2 "cheat days" a month, where I can eat whatever I want, as much as I want. This keeps me from feeling deprived.
I weight train 2-3 days a week for one-hour sessions. This allows me time to have a life, instead of being in the gym all the time.

And, guess what? I'm still losing fat and maintaining muscle eating and training like this, so you probably don't have to go to extremes yourself. Once I reach about 10% body fat, I'll maintain the same macros but I'll increase my calories to maintenance level.

A little common sense goes a long way.



* This advice, obviously, doesn't apply if you're a competitive bodybuilder or fitness competitor. They go on extreme diets to get into top condition before a show, but then consume a more reasonable diet off-season.

DNR but Mirin because of title

 

[boxing-cel]

"Pure fat" Pack it up squeak.

Absolutely possible given enough of a deficit and drugs

 

[looksovernt]

Retarded post of the day

Repped for the effort tho

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Nope.

Crash dieting works.

You can lose 10kg of pure fat in like a month or two.

Like I said in my original post, I agree with that. But what happens after you get off your crash diet? Exactly.

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Retarded post of the day

Repped for the effort tho

C'mon, bro. You need to do better than that. You can't just lob insults when my thread is 100% bullet-proof logic and common sense.
Exactly what don't you agree with what that I said??

 

[boxing-cel]

Like I said in my original post, I agree with that. But what happens after you get off your crash diet? Exactly.

Lots of studies show that adherence after certain crash diets is BETTER than long term deficits

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Hope you're not being sarcastic, though.

 

[looksovernt]

C'mon, bro. You need to do better than that. You can't just lob insults when my thread is 100% bullet-proof logic and common sense.
Exactly what don't you agree with what that I said??

Imagine some skinny ass dude who just bulk up and hit the gym hard for 2 years, until he reaches a somewhat normal weight. Do you think he needs to eat in a surplus his whole life, or he can maintain his weight/muscles by just eating his maintenance and hitting the gym like 3 times a week

Extreme means can be taken in order to reach a goal that requires change, after that you only need to maintain

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Imagine some skinny ass dude who just bulk up and hit the gym hard for 2 years, until he reaches a somewhat normal weight. Do you think he needs to eat in a surplus his whole life, or he can maintain his weight/muscles by just eating his maintenance and hitting the gym like 3 times a week

Extreme means can be taken in order to reach a goal that requires change, after that you only need to maintain

I already said you have to watch your macros. You can't just increase calories if you're bulking to gain lean muscle, or dieting to lose fat.

 

[looksovernt]

I already said you have to watch your macros. You can't just increase calories if you're bulking to gain lean muscle, or dieting to lose fat.

what's your point

 

[cash.org]

Hope you're not being sarcastic, though.

no actually it makes sense

 

[Part-Time Chad]

what's your point

What's your point?

All I said in my thread is that the best diet you can go on, that you can actually stick to for life, is a moderately-high protein, moderate fat and moderate carb diet.

 

[xye]

Forget all these trendy ultra-low-carb and ultra-low-fat diets. The same thing goes for those insane 6-day workout programs.

Do they work to make you built and lean? Sure. But you're not going to be able to stick with such an extreme diet and training regimen forever. Once you inevitably fall off, you're going to go back to being either fat, or skinny-fat, at best.

I had a friend who went on an almost zero-carb diet a few years ago. This guy was insanely committed. He suffered through that diet for many months and weight-trained like crazy, almost every day. He eventually managed to reach 4% body fat. I'm not kidding. He was shredded and looked great. Hot foids were routinely hitting on him at the gym. But, after a little over a year of that insanity, he slowly started to back off because the intensity was getting to him. Mind you, this guy swore to me that he was going to eat and train like this for the rest of his life. I couldn't convince him otherwise.

Guess what happened? In less than 6 months, he went back to 19% body fat, and his Cinderella, fairly-tale life was over.

Moral of the story? Create a diet and workout program that you can realistically stick to for the rest of your life. I see a lot of young, ethusiastic kids on here with ambitious and totally unrealistic fitness goals. Your best bet (which I adopted myself) is to consume a diet of moderately-high protein and moderate carbs and fat. I can stick to those macros for life. I allow myself 2 "cheat days" a month, where I can eat whatever I want, as much as I want. This keeps me from feeling deprived.
I weight train 2-3 days a week for one-hour sessions. This allows me time to have a life, instead of being in the gym all the time.

And, guess what? I'm still losing fat and maintaining muscle eating and training like this, so you probably don't have to go to extremes yourself. Once I reach about 10% body fat, I'll maintain the same macros but I'll increase my calories to maintenance level.

A little common sense goes a long way.



* This advice, obviously, doesn't apply if you're a competitive bodybuilder or fitness competitor. They go on extreme diets to get into top condition before a show, but then consume a more reasonable diet off-season.

js metabolize

 

[EitherOr]

Forget all these trendy ultra-low-carb and ultra-low-fat diets. The same thing goes for those insane 6-day workout programs.

Do they work to make you built and lean? Sure. But you're not going to be able to stick with such an extreme diet and training regimen forever. Once you inevitably fall off, you're going to go back to being either fat, or skinny-fat, at best.

I had a friend who went on an almost zero-carb diet a few years ago. This guy was insanely committed. He suffered through that diet for many months and weight-trained like crazy, almost every day. He eventually managed to reach 4% body fat. I'm not kidding. He was shredded and looked great. Hot foids were routinely hitting on him at the gym. But, after a little over a year of that insanity, he slowly started to back off because the intensity was getting to him. Mind you, this guy swore to me that he was going to eat and train like this for the rest of his life. I couldn't convince him otherwise.

Guess what happened? In less than 6 months, he went back to 19% body fat, and his Cinderella, fairly-tale life was over.

Moral of the story? Create a diet and workout program that you can realistically stick to for the rest of your life. I see a lot of young, ethusiastic kids on here with ambitious and totally unrealistic fitness goals. Your best bet (which I adopted myself) is to consume a diet of moderately-high protein and moderate carbs and fat. I can stick to those macros for life. I allow myself 2 "cheat days" a month, where I can eat whatever I want, as much as I want. This keeps me from feeling deprived.
I weight train 2-3 days a week for one-hour sessions. This allows me time to have a life, instead of being in the gym all the time.

And, guess what? I'm still losing fat and maintaining muscle eating and training like this, so you probably don't have to go to extremes yourself. Once I reach about 10% body fat, I'll maintain the same macros but I'll increase my calories to maintenance level.

A little common sense goes a long way.



* This advice, obviously, doesn't apply if you're a competitive bodybuilder or fitness competitor. They go on extreme diets to get into top condition before a show, but then consume a more reasonable diet off-season.

Not true, I went on a strawberry diet before GLP-1 agonists were a thing. (Though I used some clen and large amounts of caffeine in addition.) The weight went down quickly and I just adjusted my diet afterwards. The only downside is that I experienced hypoglycemia at one point and almost fainted. Otherwise it went well.

 

[looksovernt]

What's your point?

All I said in my thread is that the best diet you can go on, that you can actually stick to for life, is a moderately-high protein, moderate fat and moderate carb diet.

and I disagree

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Not true, I went on a strawberry diet before GLP-1 agonists were a thing. (Though I used some clen and large amounts of caffeine in addition.) The weight went down quickly and I just adjusted my diet afterwards. The only downside is that I experienced hypoglycemia at one point and almost fainted. Otherwise it went well.

I never said extreme diets don't work, but can you sustain that diet for the rest of your life?

 

[EitherOr]

I never said extreme diets don't work, but can you sustain that diet for the rest of your life?

I am against this assertion: "Once you inevitably fall off, you're going to go back to being either fat, or skinny-fat, at best."
For me, it was possible to do an extreme diet for a while and adjust afterwards to maintain the results long-term.

 

[Part-Time Chad]

I am against this assertion: "Once you inevitably fall off, you're going to go back to being either fat, or skinny-fat, at best."
For me, it was possible to do an extreme diet for a while and adjust afterwards to maintain the results long-term.

Yes, exactly. You adjusted your diet because you couldn't sustain the extreme one.

 

[EitherOr]

Yes, exactly. You adjusted your diet because you couldn't sustain the extreme one.

Th extreme one is not meant to be sustained. As long as your goal is not 4% body fat, you can maintain the results afterwards.

 

[Chad]

Dogshit post.

Aggressive diets are superior in absolutely every aspect.

Like I said in my original post, I agree with that. But what happens after you get off your crash diet? Exactly.

Exactly? Exactly what? You are a fucking idiot.

Aggressive diets have better long term maintenance if anything compared to moderate and small deficits.

(Date fromurcell K et al. The effect of rate of weight loss on long-term weight management: a randomised controlled trial. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol (2014) 2: 954-62)

Get into the largest deficit you can and shed maximum fat toy can in the shortest time (meaning going on a PSMF diet) whilst maintaining your strength is the best way to shed maximum fat and not regain/rebound.

2-3x/wk in the gym. Anything more is completely unnecessary for maintaining muscle mass. You are not going to have the energy or ability to recover from more in an aggressive deficit. You aren’t benefiting yourself in any way by going more than that.

No cardio at all. Steps are fine, steps are piss easy. Most people do not have the capabilities or endurance to burn a significant amount of calories via cardio to the point where it’s worth your time, the spike in hunger etc. And even if you are a trained endurance athlete, results are typically worse on a PSMF diet with cardio, your deficit is already large enough.

Go for 11-12 days, maintence for 2 days, and repeat until your at desired leanness.

Your entire weekly muh 500 deficit won’t get entirely wiped out because one day you had a craving for a pizza either, you’ll be motivated to continue since results are rapid and visible daily to bi-daily, less chance of regain, and less time in a miserable fucking deficit.

Get in, get out. Done.

He suffered through that diet for many months

Your friend is an idiot. Aggressive or overly restrictive diets are not diets you do for many months.

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Dogshit post.

Aggressive diets are superior in absolutely every aspect.



Exactly? Exactly what? You are a fucking idiot.

Aggressive diets have better long term maintenance if anything compared to moderate and small deficits.
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(Date fromurcell K et al. The effect of rate of weight loss on long-term weight management: a randomised controlled trial. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol (2014) 2: 954-62)

Get into the largest deficit you can and shed maximum fat toy can in the shortest time (meaning going on a PSMF diet) whilst maintaining your strength is the best way to shed maximum fat and not regain/rebound.

2-3x/wk in the gym. Anything more is completely unnecessary for maintaining muscle mass. You are not going to have the energy or ability to recover from more in an aggressive deficit. You aren’t benefiting yourself in any way by going more than that.

No cardio at all. Steps are fine, steps are piss easy. Most people do not have the capabilities or endurance to burn a significant amount of calories via cardio to the point where it’s worth your time, the spike in hunger etc. And even if you are a trained endurance athlete, results are typically worse on a PSMF diet with cardio, your deficit is already large enough.

Go for 11-12 days, maintence for 2 days, and repeat until your at desired leanness.

Your entire weekly muh 500 deficit won’t get entirely wiped out because one day you had a craving for a pizza either, you’ll be motivated to continue since results are rapid and visible daily to bi-daily, less chance of regain, and less time in a miserable fucking deficit.

Get in, get out. Done.


Your friend is an idiot. Aggressive or overly restrictive diets are not diets you do for many months.

You really are dense, aren't you?

I was talking about not only your fat-loss diet, but also your lifelong maintenance diet after you reach your desired body fat percentage. Specifically, I was talking about the macronutrients that diet would consist of. They're the same, whether you're losing fat or maintaining. The only thing that changes is the calories. If you do an aggressive diet, consisting of very low carbs or fat, you will inevitably lose your progress once you go back to a more moderate diet.

Do you understand? I feel like we're speaking different languages and talking past each other.