A Response To All "High T Users" And "Roiders"

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

What? Is that you on your pfp?

Says the sports fan.

youre not different lil bro

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

youre not different lil bro

Whatever makes you feel different.

 

[neurosis]

Oh no no. I am all for eugenics. Just not pointless drugs made for desperate men. You do not even know what they stuff into those medications. It is literally just waste,

JFL the eugenics is filtering low IQ people like you out of the gene pool for having opinions such as everything you've said in this thread.

Have fun being genetically outcompeted by people who use their genes (>70iq) to artificially enhance their weak genes, while you stay natty and incel

 

[redfacccee]

this entire post is intellectual masturbation disguised as philosophy. it's obvious that you've just created this elaborate mental prison where improvement equals evil because facing your own stagnation is too painful

life operates on one principle: reduce suffering, maximize success. every organism that exists got here by using whatever advantages it could find. the fact that you need to dress up basic resentment in pseudo-nietzschean language shows you know your position is indefensible.

your "genetics" obsession reveals the cope. smart people understand variables - what's fixed, what's changeable, and what tools exist to shift outcomes. they optimize within constraints. you worship constraints because they excuse your refusal to try. when someone uses roids, improves their looks, or leverages any tool to reduce the gap between where they are and where they want to be, they're doing what every successful organism has always done.

the most telling part is how you frame tool-use as "weakness" while you sit there paralyzed by your own limitations. somehow you've convinced yourself that hating progress makes you enlightened, when really you're just mad that others refuse to join you in your retarded cage of "genetic determinism."

keep writing manifestos about why trying is futile. the rest of us have goals to achieve.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

this entire post is intellectual masturbation disguised as philosophy. it's obvious that you've just created this elaborate mental prison where improvement equals evil because facing your own stagnation is too painful

life operates on one principle: reduce suffering, maximize success. every organism that exists got here by using whatever advantages it could find. the fact that you need to dress up basic resentment in pseudo-nietzschean language shows you know your position is indefensible.

your "genetics" obsession reveals the cope. smart people understand variables - what's fixed, what's changeable, and what tools exist to shift outcomes. they optimize within constraints. you worship constraints because they excuse your refusal to try. when someone uses roids, improves their looks, or leverages any tool to reduce the gap between where they are and where they want to be, they're doing what every successful organism has always done.

the most telling part is how you frame tool-use as "weakness" while you sit there paralyzed by your own limitations. somehow you've convinced yourself that hating progress makes you enlightened, when really you're just mad that others refuse to join you in your retarded cage of "genetic determinism."

keep writing manifestos about why trying is futile. the rest of us have goals to achieve.

You know, you had me nearly. NEARLY at the first part but then you went into projection. Then into how roids fix your worthless genetics.
How ignorant are you? How many fake connections. How many pointless attempts. How many worthless battles will you take until you see reality? There is nothing. My philosophy is simple. Everything is predetermined and is pointless. There are the people who get it and do not get it.

You are weak. If you are cursed by remorse, empathy and the need to be fitted in with some pointless society that makes your brain feel happy.

 

[redfacccee]

Say what you will. Nature will prove me correct. Time will prove me correct. Yet again, I ask for you disprove me. Yet not a single man has. It is always a he said she said. Not actual statistics, no papers or anything.

I am only holding a mirror to you. I always will. I never will admit these things in reality but I will always plant doubt in everyone when they do not notice it.

Once you are an older man. You will see what I meant.

"nature will prove me correct?" nature already proved that using tools beats crying about genetics. you're literally using technology to whine about people using technology.

you want papers? look around. every winner uses whatever works. every loser writes essays about destiny. the data walks past you daily while you type.

"planting doubt" lmao you're not some puppet master, you're just another failed dude who needs others to fail too. your "wisdom" is just cope wearing a philosophy costume.

"when you're older" - classic move. can't win now so you're betting on some imaginary future vindication. when i'm older i'll have decades of results. you'll have decades of forum posts.

your whole worldview is "i can't so you shouldn't." that's not deep, it's just sad. keep holding your mirror bro - all it shows is someone who gave up.

 

[Iraniancel]

Won't even bother responding before you do your research

 

[Eltrē]

Won't even bother responding before you do your research

I don't agree with OP on all of his points but man, you really can't talk.
You're genuinely one of the stupidest people on this forum.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

"nature will prove me correct?" nature already proved that using tools beats crying about genetics. you're literally using technology to whine about people using technology.

you want papers? look around. every winner uses whatever works. every loser writes essays about destiny. the data walks past you daily while you type.

"planting doubt" lmao you're not some puppet master, you're just another failed dude who needs others to fail too. your "wisdom" is just cope wearing a philosophy costume.

"when you're older" - classic move. can't win now so you're betting on some imaginary future vindication. when i'm older i'll have decades of results. you'll have decades of forum posts.

your whole worldview is "i can't so you shouldn't." that's not deep, it's just sad. keep holding your mirror bro - all it shows is someone who gave u

Nature already proved using tools beats genetics.
Yet those “tools” you cling to the needles, the compounds, the illusions. They are not victories over nature. They’re borrowed time. Nature has no mercy, no forgiveness, and no interest in your short-lived rebellion. Yes, you’ve learned to use tools, so have apes. At the end of the day, an ape is still an ape, and you are still a man trapped by your genetic ceiling. You prolong a fantasy, but never escape reality.

Every winner uses whatever works.
This is your critical flaw. You mistake temporary advantage for victory. Your "whatever works" is a desperate coping strategy masquerading as pragmatism. Steroids may push you forward today, but tomorrow, the cost is paid in health, sanity, and the hollow realization that nothing changed fundamentally. You patched a hole in your identity with chemicals. You didn’t solve your problem you deepened it.

You’re using technology to whine about technology.
I use technology to illuminate reality, not to distort it. My message does not promise comfort, it promises clarity. Unlike you, I hold no illusions. Your injections are not clarity, they’re sedation. I criticize your delusion, not your tools. Your failure lies in your refusal to accept limits. You don’t challenge reality. You flee from it.

Every loser writes essays about destiny.
Every fool mistakes his temporary gains for lasting victory. You’ve confused the short-term chemical rush with long-term survival. Real winners understand constraints and operate within them. You? You spend your life screaming against a glass ceiling nature placed upon you, believing the echoes are applause. The data doesn’t walk past me, it lies in hospitals, broken minds, and regret-filled middle age. Look harder.

You’re not some puppet master.
Correct. I’m not a puppet master. I’m the observer watching puppets like you tangle themselves in their own strings. I’m the mirror you refuse to face, showing you precisely what you fear: that your "victories" are not real. Your illusion of strength is precisely that a fleeting illusion. You’re not empowered. You’re drugged.

When you’re older’ is a classic move.
When you’re older, your body will show the scars of your “tools.” You’ll have results, yes, decades of irreparable hormonal damage, emotional dysfunction, chronic health problems, and a life built upon foundations of sand. But by all means, keep stacking results, your heart disease, infertility, and chemical dependency will make for impressive trophies.

Your worldview is ‘I can’t, so you shouldn’t.’
No. My worldview is “I see clearly, therefore I warn you.” The path you take leads to self-annihilation disguised as self-improvement. I have not given up. I have simply refused to fight a pointless battle against an opponent I cannot defeat. Reality. My acceptance is not weakness; it’s strategic realism. You see surrender. I see strength in clarity. You see weakness. I see acceptance. You see limitation. I see freedom from delusion. Keep injecting your dreams. Nature is patient. She always collects her debts. Your mirror is cracked. Mine is brutally clear.

Accept reality will you? You chase, kill and go mad for carnal pleasures that will harm you in the long term instead of building a strong foundation for your life. You are no desired man, you are not attractive enough to beat the modern day's hypergamy. Even if you have a woman, it is merely your turn. Your sad little escape from reality. If not then it is the drugs you pump and pump away into yourself to feel comfort. To hell with you and all the other arrogant pests that litter this earth. If you are not already there.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

I don't agree with OP on all of his points but man, you really can't talk.
You're genuinely one of the stupidest people on this forum.

I like you. You do not needlessly insult or have a temper tanturm over a disagreement.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Won't even bother responding before you do your research

Go back to glazing superior men whilst attacking the weak ones.

 

[Saint Casanova]

You’re a good user, especially on topics such as politics, history, philosophy ect but pharmacology and biology isn’t your strong suit. Nothing wrong with that.

Pharmaceutical intervention in general is one of the only things that can greatly improve your QOL. You only have one life, no point thinking about naturalistic fallacies.

 

[Pento]

This is for the Humanimals who wished to annoy me. You will join my ignore list after this. @Jonas @chadmadebeing @trenace450 @Iraniancel

Part One: You are but a mistake to biology.

You pump synthetic hormones into your body, chasing a mirage. You worship testosterone like a pagan idol, kneeling at its altar of temporary strength, as though sheer chemical excess can rewrite the unchangeable word your DNA whispered at your conception. You are not enough. So you inject, you pump, you lift and you obsess. Yet it is never ever enough is it? Your chemical armor crumbles each night, in silent darkness. Your veins, filled with synthetic strength, do nothing to silence the voice inside you, the one that knows the truth. Nature chose long ago who would lead, who would breed, who would be admired. It is written in the face, the bone, the subtle codes of genetic destiny. Your vial of steroids is not a weapon, it’s anesthesia for the mind.

You convince yourself that your swollen body will bring admiration, respect, love. Yet it only really attracts the other shallow little humanimals, who dream on temporary illusions. The so called other roid users do not want you either. they want your chemical mask. And when that mask falls—and it always falls—you will be discarded faster than the needle you use to inject false dreams into your veins. All this talk of “high T” as if it grants meaning or purpose is your ultimate cope, your desperate final stand against reality. Steroids are not your ally, they are your undertaker. They dig your grave slowly whilst destroying your organs, your mind, and your authentic self. They make you powerful today, empty tomorrow. Yet the funniest thing about this, no no no tragic thing is how much you remind me of a another group of hormone consuming failures.

Part Two: You are just like them, the trannies jfl.

The so-called “based masculine ideal,” are no different from those you ridicule. You point at trans people. You mock their transition, their hormones, their surgeries. Yet you are the mirror. They inject estrogen to feel whole. You inject testosterone to feel worthy. They alter their bodies to match a mental image. So do you. They wear a new skin to escape biology. So do you. You mutilate yourselves in the name of an imagined self. Just like them. You are two halves of the same delusion—rejecting your natural form, rebelling against the decree of nature that whispered your insignificance. The only real difference is your costume and the flag you wave while you inject. So call them degenerates if you wish. Laugh at the trans woman with her pills and scalpel scars.

But know this: When you stand shirtless in the mirror, veins bulging with lab-grown pride, hair receding from chemical imbalance, nipples swollen from gyno, balls shrunk to the size of cowardice—you are her. You just worship a different god. You mutilated your temple too—only yours is decorated with the altar of "alpha."
But neither of you were ever meant to be what you desire.

Part 3: The Health "Benefits" of your drugs.

You are not red pilled, blackpilled, kino or let alone masculine. You are an altered oversized lab rat. You are a man shaped void, screaming into the blackness, begging biology to take you seriously. Within your obsession to become a god amongst, you became less than a man. Here’s the cold truth, your body means nothing if your mind is a slave to chemicals. You’ve chained yourself to an illusion, a hormonal phantom you cannot ever catch. Your identity became your blood serum level, your ego reduced to chemical peaks and troughs. You chase strength. You chase virility. You chase validation but every cycle leaves you weaker, more hollow, less human. You become a high-testosterone ghost, a man who died inside but forgot to tell his body.

Enjoy your injections. Enjoy your lie. Whilst your heart beats its final strained beat, remember. Nature never lied. You did. (PS Here is some research under this)

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.
-Can trigger gynecomastia by boosting estrogen levels.

Laura Prepon Once Injected Herself With Hormones To Try And Lose Weight—Here's Why That's Dangerous

The HCG diet is not a healthy path to weight loss.

www.self.com

-Rare but serious: blood clots, including deep vein thrombosis or pulmonary embolism.

Your Guide to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) Injections for Men

Learn about hCG's benefits and warnings. Also discover current research, what the FDA has to say about hCG for weight loss, and much more.

www.healthline.com

-Pain, redness, swelling, or irritation at the injection site.
-Rare allergic/anaphylactic responses reported.

Your Guide to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) Injections for Men

Learn about hCG's benefits and warnings. Also discover current research, what the FDA has to say about hCG for weight loss, and much more.

www.healthline.com

-Bloating, nausea, upset stomach, diarrhea.
-Fatigue, headaches, mood disturbances.

Avoid Dangerous HCG Diet Products

FDA advises consumers to avoid human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) weight-loss products.

www.fda.gov

-Unproven for weight loss; associated with dangerous very‑low‑calorie diet regimens (gallstones, electrolyte imbalance, arrhythmia)

Avoid Dangerous HCG Diet Products

FDA advises consumers to avoid human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) weight-loss products.

www.fda.gov

-May worsen existing prostate cancer due to increased androgen promotion.

HCG diet: Is it safe and effective?

Learn about the risks of this dangerous diet.

www.mayoclinic.org

Dutasteride.
-Erectile dysfunction and decreased libido occur in roughly 9% of users; ejaculatory issues and reduced semen volume are not uncommon.

Dutasteride - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-Rare gynaecomastia (~1–2%); can include tenderness or enlargement of male breast tissue.
-Increased risk of depression and thoughts of self-harm have been noted within the first 18 months of treatment.

5α-Reductase inhibitor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-EMA is investigating possible links to suicidal thoughts, primarily based on evidence from similar drugs.
-Reports suggest associations with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, dry eye disease, and kidney dysfunction.

Health Risks Associated with Long-Term Finasteride and Dutasteride Use: It's Time to Sound the Alarm - PubMed

5α-dihydrotestosterone (5α-DHT) is the most potent natural androgen. 5α-DHT elicits a multitude of physiological actions, in a host of tissues, including prostate, seminal vesicles, hair follicles, skin, kidney, and lacrimal and meibomian glands. However, the physiological role of 5α-DHT in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

-Though dutasteride suppresses prostate growth, it could potentially mask rising PSA levels, delaying aggressive prostate cancer detection and thus increasing cancer risk.

Dutasteride: MedlinePlus Drug Information

Dutasteride: learn about side effects, dosage, special precautions, and more on MedlinePlus

medlineplus.gov

-The FDA includes a boxed warning about possible increased risk of high-grade prostate cancer.

While I agree with this post, I find it quite interesting how you started attacking Dutastride. Sure, many of its users are escaping their fates by going on the drug and keeping their hair, what else would you suggest then?

Playing around with your hormones is the modern day cybernetics. If you aren’t optimizing your hormones, you’re being left behind. There is a major catch to it however, when you mess with biology, biology will mess with you.

Regardless, great post, and I’m glad someone opened the can of beans.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

You’re a good user, especially on topics such as politics, history, philosophy ect but pharmacology and biology isn’t your strong suit. Nothing wrong with that.

Pharmaceutical intervention in general is one of the only things that can greatly improve your QOL. You only have one life, no point thinking about naturalistic fallacies.

Thank you for your honesty. I will try and learn more about it.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

While I agree with this post, I find it quite interesting how you started attacking Dutastride. Sure, many of its users are escaping their fates by going on the drug and keeping their hair, what else would you suggest then?

Playing around with your hormones is the modern day cybernetics. If you aren’t optimizing your hormones, you’re being left behind. There is a major catch to it however, when you mess with biology, biology will mess with you.

Regardless, great post, and I’m glad someone opened the can of beans.

It is hard for me to believe roids can help. The only way I can see this to be true is if someone has really messed up hormones.

 

[redfacccee]

Nature already proved using tools beats genetics.
Yet those “tools” you cling to the needles, the compounds, the illusions. They are not victories over nature. They’re borrowed time. Nature has no mercy, no forgiveness, and no interest in your short-lived rebellion. Yes, you’ve learned to use tools, so have apes. At the end of the day, an ape is still an ape, and you are still a man trapped by your genetic ceiling. You prolong a fantasy, but never escape reality.

Every winner uses whatever works.
This is your critical flaw. You mistake temporary advantage for victory. Your "whatever works" is a desperate coping strategy masquerading as pragmatism. Steroids may push you forward today, but tomorrow, the cost is paid in health, sanity, and the hollow realization that nothing changed fundamentally. You patched a hole in your identity with chemicals. You didn’t solve your problem you deepened it.

You’re using technology to whine about technology.
I use technology to illuminate reality, not to distort it. My message does not promise comfort, it promises clarity. Unlike you, I hold no illusions. Your injections are not clarity, they’re sedation. I criticize your delusion, not your tools. Your failure lies in your refusal to accept limits. You don’t challenge reality. You flee from it.

Every loser writes essays about destiny.
Every fool mistakes his temporary gains for lasting victory. You’ve confused the short-term chemical rush with long-term survival. Real winners understand constraints and operate within them. You? You spend your life screaming against a glass ceiling nature placed upon you, believing the echoes are applause. The data doesn’t walk past me, it lies in hospitals, broken minds, and regret-filled middle age. Look harder.

You’re not some puppet master.
Correct. I’m not a puppet master. I’m the observer watching puppets like you tangle themselves in their own strings. I’m the mirror you refuse to face, showing you precisely what you fear: that your "victories" are not real. Your illusion of strength is precisely that a fleeting illusion. You’re not empowered. You’re drugged.

When you’re older’ is a classic move.
When you’re older, your body will show the scars of your “tools.” You’ll have results, yes, decades of irreparable hormonal damage, emotional dysfunction, chronic health problems, and a life built upon foundations of sand. But by all means, keep stacking results, your heart disease, infertility, and chemical dependency will make for impressive trophies.

Your worldview is ‘I can’t, so you shouldn’t.’
No. My worldview is “I see clearly, therefore I warn you.” The path you take leads to self-annihilation disguised as self-improvement. I have not given up. I have simply refused to fight a pointless battle against an opponent I cannot defeat. Reality. My acceptance is not weakness; it’s strategic realism. You see surrender. I see strength in clarity. You see weakness. I see acceptance. You see limitation. I see freedom from delusion. Keep injecting your dreams. Nature is patient. She always collects her debts. Your mirror is cracked. Mine is brutally clear.

Accept reality will you? You chase, kill and go mad for carnal pleasures that will harm you in the long term instead of building a strong foundation for your life. You are no desired man, you are not attractive enough to beat the modern day's hypergamy. Even if you have a woman, it is merely your turn. Your sad little escape from reality. If not then it is the drugs you pump and pump away into yourself to feel comfort. To hell with you and all the other arrogant pests that litter this earth. If you are not already there.

"nature collects her debts" - nature doesn't operate on moral accounting. selection filters what works, nothing more. personifying natural processes as a debt collector reveals the emotional need to justify surrender.

"ape is still an ape" - yes, and we're apes who split atoms. we didn't escape our category - we expanded what the category could mean. that's how evolution operates: through whatever means available.

"borrowed time" - all existence is borrowed time. entropy guarantees it. the question isn't whether life is temporary but what possibilities emerge within that window.

"illuminate reality" - selectively acknowledging only limits while ignoring plasticity, adaptation, and successful enhancement isn't illumination. it's choosing which data supports predetermined conclusions.

"glass ceiling nature placed" - mistaking current understanding for absolute truth. every "impossible" barrier eventually reveals itself as a knowledge limitation. we don't know enough about consciousness or potential to declare fixed ceilings.

"real winners understand constraints" - real winners distinguish between hard limits (thermodynamics) and soft ones (current biology). strategy requires mapping actual vs imagined boundaries.

"foundation of sand" - what foundation does surrender provide? civilization emerged from rejecting such "realism." progress requires ignoring those who preach predetermined limits.

"patched holes with chemicals" - if enhancement is dismissible as "mere chemicals," then so is your philosophy of acceptance. you can't selectively apply reductionism - either both are valid expressions of agency or neither is.

"not attractive enough for hypergamy" - this reveals what actually drives the philosophy. personal romantic frustration elevated to cosmic law. that's not wisdom.

"to hell with arrogant pests" - there's your "acceptance." wishing damnation on those still trying reveals the resentment.

the contradiction: you claim genetics determine everything, yet you write essays to change genetically predetermined minds. if we're "trapped by genetic ceiling" as you say, then our drive to improve is genetic. your urge to preach acceptance is genetic. who's right is already determined.

but you don't act like it's determined. you argue passionately, get angry when people disagree, feel satisfaction when someone "sees the truth." you write as if your words could save people from their path - but if genetics rule everything, their path is already set.

your entire philosophy depends on people having the ability to "accept reality" vs "chase delusions." but that's a CHOICE. if genetics determine everything, there's no choice - just genetic expression. your anger at enhancement users only makes sense if you believe they could choose your path instead.

here's the thing though - your passion reveals something important. you clearly care about people avoiding harm. warning about steroid abuse, pushing for sustainable approaches, questioning quick fixes - these aren't wrong concerns. maybe we're not as far apart as it seems.

perhaps the real debate isn't whether limits exist (they do) or whether enhancement works (it can), but about finding wisdom in approaching both. your caution has value. others' ambition has value. truth lives in the tension between accepting what is and pushing for what's possible.

your writing shows someone who's thought deeply about human limitation and suffering. that perspective matters too, even if the deterministic framing oversimplifies things. care poorly expressed is still care.

if you want to actually help people avoid harm while respecting their agency - consider sharing your insights without the fatalism. your knowledge could guide rather than discourage.

 

[gooner23]

tbh you gotta realize most people on .org do not really look at health factors or conditions like most people hop on reta for just appetite supressant reasons only most of the other benefits are literally pointless and manageable even appetite supressant honestly

only problem with the pushing of this is that the user base is literally 14 years old and are just gonna mindly listen like linking studies where its just morbidly obese people cause there is legitmately no other source for it other than anecdotal evidence and when presented with the anecdotal evidence they immediately call it fear mongering

moreplatesmoredates basically suffered from this shilling his preworkout and ru like bro just take an extra scoop of c4 preworkout tbh or drink coffee i don't want my heart to explode on his $70 "properly dosed" preworkout

not to mention users calling people genetically inferior to them while spending $500 a month on injectables

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

"nature collects her debts" - nature doesn't operate on moral accounting. selection filters what works, nothing more. personifying natural processes as a debt collector reveals the emotional need to justify surrender.

"ape is still an ape" - yes, and we're apes who split atoms. we didn't escape our category - we expanded what the category could mean. that's how evolution operates: through whatever means available.

"borrowed time" - all existence is borrowed time. entropy guarantees it. the question isn't whether life is temporary but what possibilities emerge within that window.

"illuminate reality" - selectively acknowledging only limits while ignoring plasticity, adaptation, and successful enhancement isn't illumination. it's choosing which data supports predetermined conclusions.

"glass ceiling nature placed" - mistaking current understanding for absolute truth. every "impossible" barrier eventually reveals itself as a knowledge limitation. we don't know enough about consciousness or potential to declare fixed ceilings.

"real winners understand constraints" - real winners distinguish between hard limits (thermodynamics) and soft ones (current biology). strategy requires mapping actual vs imagined boundaries.

"foundation of sand" - what foundation does surrender provide? civilization emerged from rejecting such "realism." progress requires ignoring those who preach predetermined limits.

"patched holes with chemicals" - if enhancement is dismissible as "mere chemicals," then so is your philosophy of acceptance. you can't selectively apply reductionism - either both are valid expressions of agency or neither is.

"not attractive enough for hypergamy" - this reveals what actually drives the philosophy. personal romantic frustration elevated to cosmic law. that's not wisdom.

"to hell with arrogant pests" - there's your "acceptance." wishing damnation on those still trying reveals the resentment.

the contradiction: you claim genetics determine everything, yet you write essays to change genetically predetermined minds. if we're "trapped by genetic ceiling" as you say, then our drive to improve is genetic. your urge to preach acceptance is genetic. who's right is already determined.

but you don't act like it's determined. you argue passionately, get angry when people disagree, feel satisfaction when someone "sees the truth." you write as if your words could save people from their path - but if genetics rule everything, their path is already set.

your entire philosophy depends on people having the ability to "accept reality" vs "chase delusions." but that's a CHOICE. if genetics determine everything, there's no choice - just genetic expression. your anger at enhancement users only makes sense if you believe they could choose your path instead.

here's the thing though - your passion reveals something important. you clearly care about people avoiding harm. warning about steroid abuse, pushing for sustainable approaches, questioning quick fixes - these aren't wrong concerns. maybe we're not as far apart as it seems.

perhaps the real debate isn't whether limits exist (they do) or whether enhancement works (it can), but about finding wisdom in approaching both. your caution has value. others' ambition has value. truth lives in the tension between accepting what is and pushing for what's possible.

your writing shows someone who's thought deeply about human limitation and suffering. that perspective matters too, even if the deterministic framing oversimplifies things. care poorly expressed is still care.

if you want to actually help people avoid harm while respecting their agency - consider sharing your insights without the fatalism. your knowledge could guide rather than discourage.

How interesting. This is not you behind those words.

 

[redfacccee]

How interesting. This is not you behind those words.

cope harder. i've been me since 2020, just better at it now. sorry my evolution threatens your worldview

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

I know you did not write those longer posts. It does not fit in with your writing style.

 

[LooksTester]

Deadass be trigging me people calling me low t then flexing they on a cycle

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Deadass be trigging me people calling me low t then flexing they on a cycle

The irony at its finest

 

[Iraniancel]

I don't agree with OP on all of his points but man, you really can't talk.
You're genuinely one of the stupidest people on this forum.

elaborate? show me why

 

[Iraniancel]

Go back to glazing superior men whilst attacking the weak ones.

schizo btw

 

[Bitterschön]

elaborate? show me why

You are fr stupid tho

 

[whitebitchslayer]

I am not reading this shit why do you talk like a 1400s poet

 

[Iraniancel]

You are fr stupid tho

Elaborate?