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This could serve as the beginning of my philosophical book if I ever decide to write it. Its not a fixed start that Im completely committed to just a possibility

it would be about

Determinism/free will
Lookism / Blackpill
Rest im not sure yet



In truth, the only time you are, you belong to forces not your own
An unfree soul , yet named free

It shaped your face before you knew
It filled your mind without consent
It planted fear and desire deep inside
decided if you are in hell or heaven
And still, the word “free” is spoken

If you believe these words, or if you reject them
are both are proof of one truth:
you are not free.
Your choice to accept or deny
was never truly yours.

All this leads to one inevitable question:
Do we truly have free will?

Anyone who seriously examines the nature of free will will quickly arrive at a surprising conclusion:
it is not freedom that guides us, but a chain of causes that shape and determine who we are.
This realization is known as Determinism, and I embrace hard determinism in the tradition of Spinoza


THE PHILOSPHY OF DETERMINISM


Determinism is the idea that everything that happens every thought, feeling, and action is the inevitable
result of preceding causes. Nothing occurs randomly or by chance. Instead, the universe follows a chain of cause and effect,
a vast network of influences stretching back infinitely

From the moment you were born , even before countless factors shaped who you are: your genetics,
your environment, your upbringing, and the countless experiences that formed your mind and character to this day
Each of these is itself caused by previous conditions, and so on

Because of this unbroken chain, the concept of “free will” becomes questionable
If every choice you make is the outcome of prior causes beyond your control, can you truly be said to have free will


Most people, after hearing this, will not be convinced that they are truly unfree.
Many will point to compatibilism the idea that free will can exist even within a deterministic universe.
They argue: yes, genetics, parents, and upbringing shape us, but within these constraints, we still make choices.

The idea of “freedom within limits” is widely accepted, but it overlooks the powerful forces influencing not only our circumstances but also our choices
As Schopenhauer said, “A man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.”


A EXAMPLE TO UNDERSTAND DETERMINISM


A good way to understand determinism is to imagine a ball at the top of a platform.
Someone gives it a push this push is the first cause , like your Birth
The ball begins to roll down, and on its wa it hits obstacles bumps and slopes along the way.
Sometimes it speeds up, sometimes it slows down, and sometimes it changes direction.

At first, it might look like the ball moves randomly.
But if we knew everything the strength of the push, the shape of the surface, the ball’s weight, the force of gravity , the force of the wind
we could predict exactly where it will go, how fast it will roll, and where it will stop.
Nothing the ball does is truly random. Every movement comes from the initial push and the conditions it meets along the way.

In the same way, our lives seem full of choices and surprises.
But just like the ball, we are shaped by the things that pushed us
our genes, our childhood, our environment, and our experiences.
Even the way we think and feel was shaped by causes that came before.

This is what determinism means nothing happens without a reason, and everything that happens could not have happened differently
The difference between this example and human life is not one of principle,
but of complexity


HUMAN EXAMPLE OF DETERMINISM


Imagine a child standing in front of an ice cream counter with many flavors to choose from
chocolate or vanilla

The child pauses considers the options, and finally chooses chocolate
At first glance it seems like a simple free choice made by the child

But determinism says the choice wasn’t really free. Instead, it was caused by many things that happened before.
the child chose chocolate because of past experiences, habits, or influences

The child has tried chocolate ice cream before and liked it while he didnt with vanilla
Whether the child likes chocolate more than other flavors depends partly on biology
Our brains respond to certain tastes, like sweet and fatty flavors, because they release chemicals that make us feel good like dopamine, a reward signal in the brain

This past experience shapes what the child wants now
The brain remembers the taste and the feeling of enjoyment
These biological reactions create a preference for chocolate making it feel more desirable than other options

Because of these experiences and biological impulses, the child’s choice is guided by what the brain expects to be enjoyable

not by free will.






NO ONE WILL READ THIS IK but @Skullmaxxer asked me to do it

@InanimatePragmatist @iblamexyz
 
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i agree
 
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@Asiangymmax my dear friend

You should read this and doing something for your brain

instead of gooning all day
 
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Kino mirin
 
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Shit thread :feelshah:
 
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This book fucking blows
 
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High iq
 
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Thanks for making this post. Although I usually don't agree with determinism, this is a very interesting take, before it was believed that the universe follows a certain pattern, and we are a small effect of it. Now with the discovery of quantum physics, people stay it's still deterministic, but deterministic with near infinite options(the outcome of the quantum superposition I think will influence your decision). However if u believe in a first cause, what would the first cause be, because it had nothing before it? Would it be the only free thing? Would it be God?
I also never knew spinoza was deterministic, this thread raised my iq by one standard deviation.
 
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Thanks for making this post. Although I usually don't agree with determinism, this is a very interesting take, before it was believed that the universe follows a certain pattern, and we are a small effect of it. Now with the discovery of quantum physics, people stay it's still deterministic, but deterministic with near infinite options(the outcome of the quantum superposition I think will influence your decision). However if u believe in a first cause, what would the first cause be, because it had nothing before it? Would it be the only free thing? Would it be God?
I also never knew spinoza was deterministic, this thread raised my iq by one standard deviation.
Written like a true org rotter

Surprised u aren’t already at a positive ratio
 
How does it depend partly on biology? It’s strictly biology, or effectively, biochemistry.
 
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@imontheloose



Its biological because the child has taste buds and sensory systems that send signals to the brain

These signals tell the brain whether something tastes good or not


The brain doesnt freely choose what it likes it reacts to the chemical properties of the food.


So if chocolate tastes better than vanilla to the childits because of how their body and brain are wired to respond to those flavors

Its not a free decision it’s a reactio
 
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the ball analogy doesn't make sense...

a ball has no conscious

a ball cant choose to stop its descent

i can, because i am conscious
 
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the ball analogy doesn't make sense...

a ball has no conscious

a ball cant choose to stop its descent

i can, because i am conscious
Thats why i made a human example after because i knew people would say that
 
the ball analogy doesn't make sense...

a ball has no conscious

a ball cant choose to stop its descent

i can, because i am conscious
its just a simple scenario so you get the basic of what determinism means
 
This could serve as the beginning of my philosophical book if I ever decide to write it. Its not a fixed start that Im completely committed to just a possibility

it would be about

Determinism/free will
Lookism / Blackpill
Rest im not sure yet



In truth, the only time you are, you belong to forces not your own
An unfree soul , yet named free

It shaped your face before you knew
It filled your mind without consent
It planted fear and desire deep inside
decided if you are in hell or heaven
And still, the word “free” is spoken

If you believe these words, or if you reject them
are both are proof of one truth:
you are not free.
Your choice to accept or deny
was never truly yours.

All this leads to one inevitable question:
Do we truly have free will?

Anyone who seriously examines the nature of free will will quickly arrive at a surprising conclusion:
it is not freedom that guides us, but a chain of causes that shape and determine who we are.
This realization is known as Determinism, and I embrace hard determinism in the tradition of Spinoza


THE PHILOSPHY OF DETERMINISM


Determinism is the idea that everything that happens every thought, feeling, and action is the inevitable
result of preceding causes. Nothing occurs randomly or by chance. Instead, the universe follows a chain of cause and effect,
a vast network of influences stretching back infinitely

From the moment you were born , even before countless factors shaped who you are: your genetics,
your environment, your upbringing, and the countless experiences that formed your mind and character to this day
Each of these is itself caused by previous conditions, and so on

Because of this unbroken chain, the concept of “free will” becomes questionable
If every choice you make is the outcome of prior causes beyond your control, can you truly be said to have free will


Most people, after hearing this, will not be convinced that they are truly unfree.
Many will point to compatibilism the idea that free will can exist even within a deterministic universe.
They argue: yes, genetics, parents, and upbringing shape us, but within these constraints, we still make choices.

The idea of “freedom within limits” is widely accepted, but it overlooks the powerful forces influencing not only our circumstances but also our choices
As Schopenhauer said, “A man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.”


A EXAMPLE TO UNDERSTAND DETERMINISM


A good way to understand determinism is to imagine a ball at the top of a platform.
Someone gives it a push this push is the first cause , like your Birth
The ball begins to roll down, and on its wa it hits obstacles bumps and slopes along the way.
Sometimes it speeds up, sometimes it slows down, and sometimes it changes direction.

At first, it might look like the ball moves randomly.
But if we knew everything the strength of the push, the shape of the surface, the ball’s weight, the force of gravity , the force of the wind
we could predict exactly where it will go, how fast it will roll, and where it will stop.
Nothing the ball does is truly random. Every movement comes from the initial push and the conditions it meets along the way.

In the same way, our lives seem full of choices and surprises.
But just like the ball, we are shaped by the things that pushed us
our genes, our childhood, our environment, and our experiences.
Even the way we think and feel was shaped by causes that came before.

This is what determinism means nothing happens without a reason, and everything that happens could not have happened differently
The difference between this example and human life is not one of principle,
but of complexity


HUMAN EXAMPLE OF DETERMINISM


Imagine a child standing in front of an ice cream counter with many flavors to choose from
chocolate or vanilla

The child pauses considers the options, and finally chooses chocolate
At first glance it seems like a simple free choice made by the child

But determinism says the choice wasn’t really free. Instead, it was caused by many things that happened before.
the child chose chocolate because of past experiences, habits, or influences

The child has tried chocolate ice cream before and liked it while he didnt with vanilla
Whether the child likes chocolate more than other flavors depends partly on biology
Our brains respond to certain tastes, like sweet and fatty flavors, because they release chemicals that make us feel good like dopamine, a reward signal in the brain

This past experience shapes what the child wants now
The brain remembers the taste and the feeling of enjoyment
These biological reactions create a preference for chocolate making it feel more desirable than other options

Because of these experiences and biological impulses, the child’s choice is guided by what the brain expects to be enjoyable

not by free will.






NO ONE WILL READ THIS IK but @Skullmaxxer asked me to do it

@InanimatePragmatist @iblamexyz
DR (did read)
 
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This is a resume not a philosophical argument, you haven't proved anything. It's like those who talk about God.
 
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This is a resume not a philosophical argument, you haven't proved anything. It's like those who talk about God.
thats why its called

metaphysical philosophy

and not physics
 
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This is a resume not a philosophical argument, you haven't proved anything. It's like those who talk about God.
still where does your free will come from if it doesnt has a cause

if its random

then its by definition not free
 
Thats why i made a human example after because i knew people would say that
except if u wanted to make the rock example true, you'd be able to replace the rock with a human

but you cant

if you replace the rock with a human, it suddenly has the free will to stop descending
 
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thats why its called

metaphysical philosophy

and not physics
Philosophy is not about opinions, it's about proving your arguments. A general stance must come from particular events. Saying "everything is" means you already know every case posible by a certain law of nature which you still need to explain.
 
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Seems high iq

But the Blackpill aspect will doom it to not sell well
 
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except if u wanted to make the rock example true, you'd be able to replace the rock with a human

but you cant

if you replace the rock with a human, it suddenly has the free will to stop descending
if you choose not to do something then you have still made a choice

there is a reason why you would stop

Just because you say I could have done this or that doesnt prove the discision was free

it also had a cause
 
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This could serve as the beginning of my philosophical book if I ever decide to write it. Its not a fixed start that Im completely committed to just a possibility

it would be about

Determinism/free will
Lookism / Blackpill
Rest im not sure yet



In truth, the only time you are, you belong to forces not your own
An unfree soul , yet named free

It shaped your face before you knew
It filled your mind without consent
It planted fear and desire deep inside
decided if you are in hell or heaven
And still, the word “free” is spoken

If you believe these words, or if you reject them
are both are proof of one truth:
you are not free.
Your choice to accept or deny
was never truly yours.

All this leads to one inevitable question:
Do we truly have free will?

Anyone who seriously examines the nature of free will will quickly arrive at a surprising conclusion:
it is not freedom that guides us, but a chain of causes that shape and determine who we are.
This realization is known as Determinism, and I embrace hard determinism in the tradition of Spinoza


THE PHILOSPHY OF DETERMINISM


Determinism is the idea that everything that happens every thought, feeling, and action is the inevitable
result of preceding causes. Nothing occurs randomly or by chance. Instead, the universe follows a chain of cause and effect,
a vast network of influences stretching back infinitely

From the moment you were born , even before countless factors shaped who you are: your genetics,
your environment, your upbringing, and the countless experiences that formed your mind and character to this day
Each of these is itself caused by previous conditions, and so on

Because of this unbroken chain, the concept of “free will” becomes questionable
If every choice you make is the outcome of prior causes beyond your control, can you truly be said to have free will


Most people, after hearing this, will not be convinced that they are truly unfree.
Many will point to compatibilism the idea that free will can exist even within a deterministic universe.
They argue: yes, genetics, parents, and upbringing shape us, but within these constraints, we still make choices.

The idea of “freedom within limits” is widely accepted, but it overlooks the powerful forces influencing not only our circumstances but also our choices
As Schopenhauer said, “A man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.”


A EXAMPLE TO UNDERSTAND DETERMINISM


A good way to understand determinism is to imagine a ball at the top of a platform.
Someone gives it a push this push is the first cause , like your Birth
The ball begins to roll down, and on its wa it hits obstacles bumps and slopes along the way.
Sometimes it speeds up, sometimes it slows down, and sometimes it changes direction.

At first, it might look like the ball moves randomly.
But if we knew everything the strength of the push, the shape of the surface, the ball’s weight, the force of gravity , the force of the wind
we could predict exactly where it will go, how fast it will roll, and where it will stop.
Nothing the ball does is truly random. Every movement comes from the initial push and the conditions it meets along the way.

In the same way, our lives seem full of choices and surprises.
But just like the ball, we are shaped by the things that pushed us
our genes, our childhood, our environment, and our experiences.
Even the way we think and feel was shaped by causes that came before.

This is what determinism means nothing happens without a reason, and everything that happens could not have happened differently
The difference between this example and human life is not one of principle,
but of complexity


HUMAN EXAMPLE OF DETERMINISM


Imagine a child standing in front of an ice cream counter with many flavors to choose from
chocolate or vanilla

The child pauses considers the options, and finally chooses chocolate
At first glance it seems like a simple free choice made by the child

But determinism says the choice wasn’t really free. Instead, it was caused by many things that happened before.
the child chose chocolate because of past experiences, habits, or influences

The child has tried chocolate ice cream before and liked it while he didnt with vanilla
Whether the child likes chocolate more than other flavors depends partly on biology
Our brains respond to certain tastes, like sweet and fatty flavors, because they release chemicals that make us feel good like dopamine, a reward signal in the brain

This past experience shapes what the child wants now
The brain remembers the taste and the feeling of enjoyment
These biological reactions create a preference for chocolate making it feel more desirable than other options

Because of these experiences and biological impulses, the child’s choice is guided by what the brain expects to be enjoyable

not by free will.






NO ONE WILL READ THIS IK but @Skullmaxxer asked me to do it

@InanimatePragmatist @iblamexyz
Interesting argument about determinism I must ask what you think of those opposing this point of view
 
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I might get converted to full determinism tbh
 
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Philosophy is not about opinions, it's about proving your arguments. A general stance must come from particular events. Those words you say come from nothing.
You talk as if most philosophers had some great “event” behind their beliefs but in reality,

many of them were just as lost, confused, and powerless as we are
 
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if you choose not to do something then you have still made a choice

there is a reason why you would stop

Just because you say I could have done this or that doesnt prove the discision was free

it also had a cause
So is your logic that of cause and effect.
Any decision has a cause and a reason behind every decision even inaction
 
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@imontheloose



Its biological because the child has taste buds and sensory systems that send signals to the brain

These signals tell the brain whether something tastes good or not


The brain doesnt freely choose what it likes it reacts to the chemical properties of the food.


So if chocolate tastes better than vanilla to the childits because of how their body and brain are wired to respond to those flavors

Its not a free decision it’s a reactio
That’s my point. It isn’t partly biology: it’s entirely biology. It’s more deterministic than you lead it on to be.
 
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So is your logic that of cause and effect.
Any decision has a cause and a reason behind every decision even inaction
yes

That the main argument against free will

There is no argument for free will

where does it come from?

There is nothing that comes from nothing

And if it would be random like Quantum randomness then it would be still not free since its random
 
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So is your logic that of cause and effect.
Any decision has a cause and a reason behind every decision even inaction
Cause doesn't exist in objects, it's all in your mind. Even science fails from time to time because we are not in control of what's outside us. Scientists already left cause and effect in the philosophy before XVIII century. Predictions depend on certain elements we are in control of, what's outside the prediction changes our view of the world. Anything that can be considered truth could be different in the future. If you think you know the future I'm sorry but it's all in your mind only the present exists.
 
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I thought the same thing. You’d not sell it to anyone with blackpill mentioned.
I wouldnt add the word blackpill in it

but I would use determinism to show that looks determines us
 
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yes

That the main argument against free will

There is no argument for free will

where does it come from?

There is nothing that comes from nothing

And if it would be random like Quantum randomness then it would be still not free since its random
what do you think about the unfalsibility of determinism
 
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if you choose not to do something then you have still made a choice

there is a reason why you would stop

Just because you say I could have done this or that doesnt prove the discision was free

it also had a cause
just because theres a cause or a reason as to why i stopped, doesnt mean i didnt choose to stop
 
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I thought the same thing. You’d not sell it to anyone with blackpill mentioned.
What I’d recommend is he just not use the word blackpill or use any BP terms

But still state the core ideas
 
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Quantum randomness
We can predict quantum phenomena up to the umpteenth decimal. Feynman said that is the likelihood of “predicting the width of North America to the nearest hair’s breadth.”

It has randomness which is still not free in the libertarian sense so to say, but we can effectively call it predictable.
 
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That’s my point. It isn’t partly biology: it’s entirely biology. It’s more deterministic than you lead it on to be.
To be honest I dont really know why I described it as partly

I think I meant it in a general sense that not only biology determines everything

But in that specific example it didt really fit
 
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What I’d recommend is he just not use the word blackpill or use any BP terms

But still state the core ideas
Yes. Even mentioning looks primarily is very odd for these sort of things. You usually add it in as an example alongside other things. It would be quite easy to fish out that it’s a blackpill book otherwise and that isn’t going to get any attention.

There are similar books to this and they make an effect to give vast examples so to not overwhelm you with borderline propaganda.
 
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This could serve as the beginning of my philosophical book if I ever decide to write it. Its not a fixed start that Im completely committed to just a possibility

it would be about

Determinism/free will
Lookism / Blackpill
Rest im not sure yet



In truth, the only time you are, you belong to forces not your own
An unfree soul , yet named free

It shaped your face before you knew
It filled your mind without consent
It planted fear and desire deep inside
decided if you are in hell or heaven
And still, the word “free” is spoken

If you believe these words, or if you reject them
are both are proof of one truth:
you are not free.
Your choice to accept or deny
was never truly yours.

All this leads to one inevitable question:
Do we truly have free will?

Anyone who seriously examines the nature of free will will quickly arrive at a surprising conclusion:
it is not freedom that guides us, but a chain of causes that shape and determine who we are.
This realization is known as Determinism, and I embrace hard determinism in the tradition of Spinoza


THE PHILOSPHY OF DETERMINISM


Determinism is the idea that everything that happens every thought, feeling, and action is the inevitable
result of preceding causes. Nothing occurs randomly or by chance. Instead, the universe follows a chain of cause and effect,
a vast network of influences stretching back infinitely

From the moment you were born , even before countless factors shaped who you are: your genetics,
your environment, your upbringing, and the countless experiences that formed your mind and character to this day
Each of these is itself caused by previous conditions, and so on

Because of this unbroken chain, the concept of “free will” becomes questionable
If every choice you make is the outcome of prior causes beyond your control, can you truly be said to have free will


Most people, after hearing this, will not be convinced that they are truly unfree.
Many will point to compatibilism the idea that free will can exist even within a deterministic universe.
They argue: yes, genetics, parents, and upbringing shape us, but within these constraints, we still make choices.

The idea of “freedom within limits” is widely accepted, but it overlooks the powerful forces influencing not only our circumstances but also our choices
As Schopenhauer said, “A man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills.”


A EXAMPLE TO UNDERSTAND DETERMINISM


A good way to understand determinism is to imagine a ball at the top of a platform.
Someone gives it a push this push is the first cause , like your Birth
The ball begins to roll down, and on its wa it hits obstacles bumps and slopes along the way.
Sometimes it speeds up, sometimes it slows down, and sometimes it changes direction.

At first, it might look like the ball moves randomly.
But if we knew everything the strength of the push, the shape of the surface, the ball’s weight, the force of gravity , the force of the wind
we could predict exactly where it will go, how fast it will roll, and where it will stop.
Nothing the ball does is truly random. Every movement comes from the initial push and the conditions it meets along the way.

In the same way, our lives seem full of choices and surprises.
But just like the ball, we are shaped by the things that pushed us
our genes, our childhood, our environment, and our experiences.
Even the way we think and feel was shaped by causes that came before.

This is what determinism means nothing happens without a reason, and everything that happens could not have happened differently
The difference between this example and human life is not one of principle,
but of complexity


HUMAN EXAMPLE OF DETERMINISM


Imagine a child standing in front of an ice cream counter with many flavors to choose from
chocolate or vanilla

The child pauses considers the options, and finally chooses chocolate
At first glance it seems like a simple free choice made by the child

But determinism says the choice wasn’t really free. Instead, it was caused by many things that happened before.
the child chose chocolate because of past experiences, habits, or influences

The child has tried chocolate ice cream before and liked it while he didnt with vanilla
Whether the child likes chocolate more than other flavors depends partly on biology
Our brains respond to certain tastes, like sweet and fatty flavors, because they release chemicals that make us feel good like dopamine, a reward signal in the brain

This past experience shapes what the child wants now
The brain remembers the taste and the feeling of enjoyment
These biological reactions create a preference for chocolate making it feel more desirable than other options

Because of these experiences and biological impulses, the child’s choice is guided by what the brain expects to be enjoyable

not by free will.






NO ONE WILL READ THIS IK but @Skullmaxxer asked me to do it

@InanimatePragmatist @iblamexyz
gets nullified by "ignorance is bliss"
 
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We can predict quantum phenomena up to the umpteenth decimal. Feynman said that is the likelihood of “predicting the width of North America to the nearest hair’s breadth.”

It has randomness which is still not free in the libertarian sense so to say, but we can effectively call it predictable.
I think that even if we discover things in physics like quantum events that appear random it could still be the case that we simply dont understand what determines them yet


Maybe our current physics isnt advanced enough or perhaps the determining causes exist in a dimension that is beyond our reach
 
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just because theres a cause or a reason as to why i stopped, doesnt mean i didnt choose to stop
then tell me how arises your free will in that situation if its not because of a cause or randomness
 
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What do you think of the argument where I suppose this.

I WILL ACT IN SOME FUTURE”

HOWEVER APPLY THE SLOTH PARADOX HERE.
What do you think of that
 
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It has randomness which is still not free in the libertarian sense so to say, but we can effectively call it predictable.
There are deterministic interpretations of quantum mechanics (Everett’s interpretation, Pilot wave theory) etc

We really don’t know what the hell is going on in quantum mechanics

We may never know

It’s easily the most mysterious branch of physics

Even the fundamental concept of QM, superposition isn’t well understood

Is the particle a literal wave before the collapse? Is it literally in two places at once?

We really don’t know
 
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