Abortion is murder, and its unethical (prove me wrong)

[CorinthianLOX]

THe thing is theres BUNCH of things that is extremally unethical that would be good for the society but there are so flaws on it because
1- A society without moral limits loses its own humanity
2- sacrificing people can create chaos
3- you cant simply ignore rights and dignity for the "greater good"

You’re saying those words like ’ethically’ ’morally’ ’humanity’ like they mean anything

 

[BeanCelll]

btw you cant determinate if someones will live or die ONLY because he might have a chance of unenployment or those things u mentioned

Sure not everyone's gonna live some dogshit life, I'm not a huge abortion guy but it's more humane to not give birth while knowingly being aware that your child is disproportionately to suffer.

I'm fine with adoption being an exception if the family adopting can prove they have a strong financial basis that they'll use to nurture the kid.

Trafficking and adopting for stipends or benefits that causes neglect/abuse are the biggest concerns - I know to a degree this is inevitable but a lot of these adoption agencies hardly background check potentional suitors just to get rid of the kids asap and fuck them over.

 

[areayes]

I can’t see how it’s unethical if it generates good outcomes in the long run

The mindset you have is a genocide mindset and judging by your pfp your prob a nazi, and in the in the 20th century ountries like the usa and germany forced sterilizations on people with disabilities and this causes chaos, destroyed familys and bunch of shit

 

[Regenerator]

Abortion is just what women use to avoid accountability for their sexual degeneracy. A innocent baby has to suffer since soyciety worships women so much...

 

[optimisticzoomer]

So this means i can randomly go in a a random street and kill everybody in there since we have to many humans and your comparing eating meat to KILL somebody, if we all comit unnethical things why dont we all start killing each other??


This type of mindset doesnt work since the society would be a chaos

(Ur prob ragebaiting tho)

I expose your pseudo morality and u say I’m ragebaiting?
All non-human mammals have more conscience than a fetus jfl

 

[areayes]

Sure not everyone's gonna live some dogshit life, I'm not a huge abortion guy but it's more humane to not give birth while knowingly being aware that your child is disproportionately to suffer.

I'm fine with adoption being an exception if the family adopting can prove they have a strong financial basis that they'll use to nurture the kid.

Trafficking and adopting for stipends or benefits that causes neglect/abuse are the biggest concerns - I know to a degree this is inevitable but a lot of these adoption agencies hardly background check potentional suitors just to get rid of the kids asap and fuck them over.

You still cant choose if someones gonna live or not, you cant know the future and its ignorant saying this.

 

[areayes]

You’re saying those words like ’ethically’ ’morally’ ’humanity’ like they mean anything

EThically and morality was made so society doesnt end up in chaos, so we can live in harmony.

If you think ethically and morally things are cope why dont we all just kill ourselfs??

Shit ass retard mindset, average nazi in .org with low iq

 

[CorinthianLOX]

The mindset you have is a genocide mindset and judging by your pfp your prob a nazi, and in the in the 20th century ountries like the usa and germany forced sterilizations on people with disabilities and this causes chaos, destroyed familys and bunch of shit

Letting genetically deformed people reproduce generates more suffering. Genetically deformed, inferior and disabled people suffer constantly all because they were born. Sterilizing those people with such genes would be a kindness to them.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

EThically and morality was made so society doesnt end up in chaos, so we can live in harmony.

If you think ethically and morally things are cope why dont we all just kill ourselfs??

Shit ass retard mindset, average nazi in .org with low iq

Morality is not universal pal.

 

[BeanCelll]

You still cant choose if someones gonna live or not, you cant know the future and its ignorant saying this.

If your system is full of corrupt agencies that only care about ridding themselves of more children for their personal gain it's easy to see where this is going to go.

Adoption is fine but it needs more filtering.

 

[areayes]

Letting genetically deformed people reproduce generates more suffering. Genetically deformed, inferior and disabled people suffer constantly all because they were born. Sterilizing those people with such genes would be a kindness to them.

Human worth is not measured by productivity or health, every human life has dignity
This is exactly the logic nazis used to justify mass murder and forced sterilization, it ended in horror.


btw suffering is not a reason to kill, suffering exists in everyone choosing to kill someone to pevent suffering is murder and not kindness +
no gene makes a person less human rights and dignity arent conditional
Sterilizing or killing people because of their genes isn’t kindness but genocide

 

[areayes]

Letting genetically deformed people reproduce generates more suffering. Genetically deformed, inferior and disabled people suffer constantly all because they were born. Sterilizing those people with such genes would be a kindness to them.

Kf you start deciding who is "worthy" of life whos next? Today its disabled people tomorrow it could be anyone you dislike?.

 

[areayes]

Morality is not universal pal.

If ethics mean nothing to you, then so does your life??

Morality doesnt have to be universal to exis, Eery society agrees murder and torture are wrong and thatts enough to keep civilization alive and
Evven if morality is relative killing innocent people is catastrophic for society, it would cause chaos and suffering.






Btw calling ethics non universal doesntmake it okay to harm others, protecting people keeps society stable and its self interest, not opinion.

Btw your an nazi and
Rlativism didnt save the nazis, Stalin or genocidal regimes lol, thinking morality is optional leads straight to mass murder

 

[CorinthianLOX]

If ethics mean nothing to you, then so does your life??

Morality doesnt have to be universal to exis, Eery society agrees murder and torture are wrong and thatts enough to keep civilization alive and
Evven if morality is relative killing innocent people is catastrophic for society, it would cause chaos and suffering.






Btw calling ethics non universal doesntmake it okay to harm others, protecting people keeps society stable and its self interest, not opinion.

Btw your an nazi and
Rlativism didnt save the nazis, Stalin or genocidal regimes lol, thinking morality is optional leads straight to mass murder

Every society does murder in some way or another. Fighting for survival is a precondition for any society’s survival.

 

[areayes]

If your system is full of corrupt agencies that only care about ridding themselves of more children for their personal gain it's easy to see where this is going to go.

Adoption is fine but it needs more filtering.

Every unborn child has a right to life, their potential doesn’t make them less human and corruption exists, but that’s a reason to fix the system, not abort babys

 

[areayes]

Every society does murder in some way or another. Fighting for survival is a precondition for any society’s survival.

Just because murder happens doesnt make it right, laws and ethics exist to prevent chaos,

And cus i love using history against nazis and their own beliefs against them, eugenics, genocide and mass killings in the 20th were justified by survival arguments and millions died. Just chaos and no progress

 

[areayes]

Every society does murder in some way or another. Fighting for survival is a precondition for any society’s survival.

Nigga, js give up debating me. I am literally professional in ts and im debunking every single argument of yours + you avoided all the things i said

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Nigga, js give up debating me. I am literally professional in ts and im debunking every single argument of yours + you avoided all the things i said

Bro. Why are you spamming to me constantly. Read Plato. He supported my ideas jfl.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Just because murder happens doesnt make it right, laws and ethics exist to prevent chaos,

And cus i love using history against nazis and their own beliefs against them, eugenics, genocide and mass killings in the 20th were justified by survival arguments and millions died. Just chaos and no progress

Every single great society had eugenics in some form or another

 

[areayes]

Every society does murder in some way or another. Fighting for survival is a precondition for any society’s survival.

I can debate better than politicians and have more knowledge on things like this than even people people and living in this field, debating with me is like trying to put out a fire with gasolin

 

[antx]

depends.

If the woman’s life is in danger abortion should be allowed or if it was rape.

But if it’s some girl that got pregnant with no risk involved she should be forced to give birth.

Imo there are support groups for babies and mothers who had such relations with a rapist , most of them live a very happy life now , however i think no one except that woman should have an opinion about abortion when her life is in danger.

 

[areayes]

Every single great society had eugenics in some form or another

1- doing it doesnt make it ethical
2- Just because other societies practice eugenics doesnt make it right, Immorality doesnt become moral by repetition
3- ral progress comes from protecting life and rights and not destroying people for convenience aka eugenics = chaos

 

[CorinthianLOX]

1- doing it doesnt make it ethical
2- Just because other societies practice eugenics doesnt make it right, Immorality doesnt become moral by repetition
3- ral progress comes from protecting life and rights and not destroying people for convenience aka eugenics = chaos

No one is concerned with the ’ethics’ of lower people. The reason why nowadays people are ’concerned’ about disabled people is because we live in a politically correct unnatural political system. In the past weaker people were eliminated

’Eugenics=chaos’ do you think modern society is stable or free?

 

[larpcel]

The difference is ur comparing 2 unnalive things from an actual alive thing


And yes a embryo has the same right as a grown adult because they are both alive human beeings.

If u think development defines someones worth that means babys doesnt have the same worth of an grown adult since they are more developed?


So development is the way we measure someone’s worth?

First, both sperm and eggs cells are alive.

This is a matter of values/morals not much of an argument against this, I say white you say black or vice versa.

I'm not saying development equals worth. A fetus isn't fully developed and can't survive on its own yet. The person carrying it is already a fully developed human with their own rights and autonomy. It’s not about development determining value, it's about respecting the rights of the person who’s already living and capable of making decisions.

Glad you’re actually making points tho.

 

[areayes]

No one is concerned with the ’ethics’ of lower people. The reason why nowadays people are ’concerned’ about disabled people is because we live in a politically correct unnatural political system. In the past weaker people were eliminated

’Eugenics=chaos’ do you think modern society is stable or free?

EVery time a society tried to eliminate the weak it collapsed under its own cruelty nigg, calling compassion unnatural doesntmake your barbarism intelligent but just repeats historys worst mistakes, modern civilization isnt perfect but its the first where strength means protecting and not killing

 

[CorinthianLOX]

EVery time a society tried to eliminate the weak it collapsed under its own cruelty nigg, calling compassion unnatural doesntmake your barbarism intelligent but just repeats historys worst mistakes, modern civilization isnt perfect but its the first where strength means protecting and not killing

Every society rises and falls. No society lasts forever

 

[areayes]

First, both sperm and eggs cells are alive.

This is a matter of values/morals not much of an argument against this, I say white you say black or vice versa.

I'm not saying development equals worth. A fetus isn't fully developed and can't survive on its own yet. The person carrying it is already a fully developed human with their own rights and autonomy. It’s not about development determining value, it's about respecting the rights of the person who’s already living and capable of making decisions.

Glad you’re actually making points tho.

1- no, sperm is not alive thing cus it doesnt has all those features that makes something alive :

Cellular organization, metabolism, growth, reproduction, response to stimuli, adaptation, genetic material


But a embryo does have em, btw yes you literally said development equals worth but let me get more into your argument of "right of autonomy,"


We a fetus cant survive on it owns yet so can a baby survive on its own, that means we can kill babys since they cant survive on its own? Obviously both of em are 2 different examples but im using morality so you can understand. Only because you cant survive on its own and you need someones else help doesnt means the person that helps you stay alive has any rights to kill you

 

[afroheadluke]

1- no, sperm is not alive thing cus it doesnt has all those features that makes something alive :

Cellular organization, metabolism, growth, reproduction, response to stimuli, adaptation, genetic material


But a embryo does have em, btw yes you literally said development equals worth but let me get more into your argument of "right of autonomy,"


We a fetus cant survive on it owns yet so can a baby survive on its own, that means we can kill babys since they cant survive on its own? Obviously both of em are 2 different examples but im using morality so you can understand. Only because you cant survive on its own and you need someones else help doesnt means the person that helps you stay alive has any rights to kill you

i see right through you BTW

 

[areayes]

First, both sperm and eggs cells are alive.

This is a matter of values/morals not much of an argument against this, I say white you say black or vice versa.

I'm not saying development equals worth. A fetus isn't fully developed and can't survive on its own yet. The person carrying it is already a fully developed human with their own rights and autonomy. It’s not about development determining value, it's about respecting the rights of the person who’s already living and capable of making decisions.

Glad you’re actually making points tho.

Autonomy also has limits, you cant kill someone else cus of autonomy

 

[areayes]

Every society rises and falls. No society lasts forever

This still isnt a valid argument to justify killing people

 

[larpcel]

Autonomy also has limits, you cant kill someone else cus of autonomy

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