"Abortion isn't murder!" - Rant About Abortion

[holy]

LONG FUCKING RANT! (not really)

It's objectively ending a human life. That's not even debatable. It has unique human DNA, its own developing organ systems, and meets every scientific criterion for a distinct human organism.

The only actual argument is whether you think killing that human is justified or not. At least have the intellectual honesty to admit what you're advocating for instead of hiding behind semantic games.

If you want to argue that ending that life should be legal in certain circumstances, fine, make that case. But pretending it's not killing a human being is just scientific illiteracy hiding as moral superiority

And, no, that's not a theory or religious claim. It's basic biology.

By week 5, that embryo already has a beating heart, developing brain, and a completely unique genetic code that will never exist again in human history. It's not a 'potential' human. It IS human, just at an early stage of development.

Honestly speaking, I get it. It's easier to support abortion if you convince yourself it's just 'removing tissue' or some other euphemistic bullshit. But that's intellectually dishonest. The scientific consensus is crystal clear: life begins at conception. That's not religious dogma, it's embryology 101.

To me, the debate isn't about whether it's human life (that's settled science).
The actual debate is whether terminating that life is morally justified under certain circumstances.

PERSONAL OPINION ON WHETHER TERMINATING THAT LIFE IS MORALLY JUSTIFIED UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES​

I think people want the convenience of abortion without the moral weight of what they're actually doing. But here's my position: It's killing a human being. Full stop. Whether that killing is justified depends entirely on the circumstances.

Self-defense? If the pregnancy will kill the mother, then yes, it's justified the same way killing an attacker in self-defense is justified. The mother's established life takes precedence over the developing one.

Rape or incest? That's more complicated. The child didn't commit the crime, but forcing a woman to carry her rapist's child is its own kind of cruelty.

But convenience abortions? Because having a kid would interfere with someone's career or lifestyle? That's just killing for convenience, and I can't justify that.​

The problem with the abortion debate is that both sides talk past each other.

Pro-choice advocates act like it's just about women's autonomy, completely ignoring the existence of the second human involved.
Pro-life advocates often ignore legitimate concerns about women's health and exceptional circumstances.

What I can't stand is intellectual dishonesty. If you support abortion, at least have the backbone to acknowledge what it is.

Don't hide behind euphemisms like 'terminating a pregnancy' or 'reproductive healthcare' when you're advocating for ending a human life.​

 

[Neucher]

tldr?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

GAYtheists Finna colonise this thread put down the British empire flag and say “It’s not murder it’s her body her choice “

 

[holy]

tldr?

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

One day you'll realize that all of human morality, ethics, etc is like this. The idea of wrongness in a large scale society is mostly utilitarian in nature. Killing an unwanted baby is definitely murder of a human life, but it's a murder of a life that isn't consider very valuable to society. It's not beautiful rich women who got pregnant with their chad husbands getting abortions. It's blue haired subhuman whores who fucked some nigger or tinder scum who are of little value to anyone. Republicucks are anti-abortion and want more of them purely to devalue the labor of everyone else already living so that they can turn everyone into even more of a slave worker bee than they already are. People want this murder. That's why it happens and that's why nobody cares.

 

[holy]

One day you'll realize that all of human morality, ethics, etc is like this. The idea of wrongness in a large scale society is mostly utilitarian in nature. Killing an unwanted baby is definitely murder of a human life, but it's a murder of a life that isn't consider very valuable to society. It's not beautiful rich women who got pregnant with their chad husbands getting abortions. It's blue haired subhuman whores who fucked some nigger or tinder scum who are of little value to anyone. Republicucks are anti-abortion and want more of them purely to devalue the labor of everyone else already living so that they can turn everyone into even more of a slave worker bee than they already are. People want this murder. That's why it happens and that's why nobody cares.

Jesus Christ, you just went from zero to full-blown eugenics in five seconds flat. And you think I'm the one with problematic views?
Dude, I oppose abortion because it's killing an innocent human being, not because of some twisted economic conspiracy theory or racial agenda.

Your entire premise is fundamentally flawed. Human value isn't determined by social utility, race, or economic status. That's the same dehumanizing logic that's justified every major atrocity in human history.

And for the record, your characterization of women who get abortions is not just repugnant, it's factually wrong. Women from ALL backgrounds face unplanned pregnancies. The value of human life isn't contingent on the circumstances of conception or the social standing of the parents.

'Republicucks' conspiracy theory' Pure fucking projection. You claim to see through some grand scheme while spouting the most dehumanizing rhetoric possible. The irony would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[Orc]

if murder was immoral war wouldn't be a thing yet humans constantly wage that.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

Human value isn't determined by social utility, race, or economic status.

Yes it is.

Women from ALL backgrounds face unplanned pregnancies.

Sure. It's not the wealthy, beautiful, married white women in healthy relationships that are getting abortions though.

Percentage of women who received an abortion by income U.S. 2022 | Statista

A survey of women who obtained an abortion in the United States between June 2021 and July 2022 found that almost 42 percent of women who received an abortion at that time had a family income less than 100 percent of the federal poverty level.

www.statista.com

Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF

www.kff.org

it's impoverished subhumans and shitskins

 

[Snowskinned]

Depends on what you consider a human. To me, superiority over animals, difference from them makes one human. Ability to believe, to dream, to hope, to improve and to want more

Fetus doesn't have that. It is a living creature, but it doesn't really pass the human threshold. Same way blacks or other inferior races don't, making them just animals

So for me, abortion is killing an animal for the convenience of a human. And as a major meat consumer - I already made my decision

 

[holy]

if murder was immoral war wouldn't be a thing yet humans constantly wage that.

That's not the gotcha you think it is. War and abortion are completely different moral categories. In war, nations engage in sanctioned violence for territorial, ideological, or defensive purposes. It's not analogous to terminating an innocent human life that poses no threat.

And even if we accept your premise (that humans routinely engage in immoral behavior like war), answer me this: how does that suddenly make abortion moral?
That's like saying 'theft happens all the time, so shoplifting must be ethical.' It's a non-sequitur.

The existence of one moral wrong doesn't justify another. And unlike war, which at least has the pretense of national defense or preventing greater casualties, elective abortion has no such justification.

 

[Orc]

The existence of one moral wrong doesn't justify another.

neither is wrong by modern standards, morals are subject to change, universal rights and wrongs don't exist, there is no inherent value to life.

And unlike war, which at least has the pretense of national defense or preventing greater casualties, elective abortion has no such justification.

abortion prevents another human from reaching consciousness and thus suffering.

 

[Wexilarious]

Abortion is gigahealthmin for girls, I forbid doing this

 

[holy]

Sure. It's not the wealthy, beautiful, married white women in healthy relationships that are getting abortions though.

Percentage of women who received an abortion by income U.S. 2022 | Statista

A survey of women who obtained an abortion in the United States between June 2021 and July 2022 found that almost 42 percent of women who received an abortion at that time had a family income less than 100 percent of the federal poverty level.

www.statista.com

Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF

www.kff.org

Cherry-picking statistics without context doesn't validate your repugnant worldview.

Those numbers reflect systemic inequalities in:

- healthcare access
- economic opportunity
- social support

Not some inherent difference in human value.

If you actually understood statistics, you'd know correlation doesn't imply causation. Women with fewer resources and less support are more likely to feel abortion is their only option.
That's an indictment of our social safety nets, not evidence that certain lives are worth less.

And even IF your demographic claims were entirely accurate (which they're not), it wouldn't change the fundamental moral equation. A human life's value isn't determined by its parents' income bracket or skin color.

You drop racist bombs, then retreat to one-word responses. Fucking cowardice.

Look at the full picture. When you control for access to:

- healthcare
- sex education
- contraception,

SUDDENLY, the demographic differences largely disappear. It's almost as if the abortion rate correlates with poverty and lack of resources, not race or some twisted notion of human value.

But here's what really bothers me about your position. You simultaneously acknowledge abortion ends a human life while suggesting some lives are expendable based on arbitrary social metrics. That's not just morally bankrupt. Dude, that's fucking dangerous. But, you don't care about that.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

LONG FUCKING RANT! (not really)

It's objectively ending a human life. That's not even debatable. It has unique human DNA, its own developing organ systems, and meets every scientific criterion for a distinct human organism.

The only actual argument is whether you think killing that human is justified or not. At least have the intellectual honesty to admit what you're advocating for instead of hiding behind semantic games.

If you want to argue that ending that life should be legal in certain circumstances, fine, make that case. But pretending it's not killing a human being is just scientific illiteracy hiding as moral superiority

And, no, that's not a theory or religious claim. It's basic biology.

By week 5, that embryo already has a beating heart, developing brain, and a completely unique genetic code that will never exist again in human history. It's not a 'potential' human. It IS human, just at an early stage of development.

Honestly speaking, I get it. It's easier to support abortion if you convince yourself it's just 'removing tissue' or some other euphemistic bullshit. But that's intellectually dishonest. The scientific consensus is crystal clear: life begins at conception. That's not religious dogma, it's embryology 101.

To me, the debate isn't about whether it's human life (that's settled science).
The actual debate is whether terminating that life is morally justified under certain circumstances.

PERSONAL OPINION ON WHETHER TERMINATING THAT LIFE IS MORALLY JUSTIFIED UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES


The problem with the abortion debate is that both sides talk past each other.

Pro-choice advocates act like it's just about women's autonomy, completely ignoring the existence of the second human involved.
Pro-life advocates often ignore legitimate concerns about women's health and exceptional circumstances.

What I can't stand is intellectual dishonesty. If you support abortion, at least have the backbone to acknowledge what it is.

Don't hide behind euphemisms like 'terminating a pregnancy' or 'reproductive healthcare' when you're advocating for ending a human life.​

Their body, their choice.

 

[holy]

Their body, their choice.

Perfect example of begging the question. It completely ignores the central issue: there are TWO bodies involved, not one.

The entire debate hinges on whether the unborn child deserves moral consideration as a separate human being.

Separate DNA, separate brain, separate heart, separate blood type in many cases.
Scientifically, that's not the woman's body. It's a distinct human organism. The 'their body, their choice' slogan conveniently pretends this second body doesn't exist.

I'm all for bodily autonomy. You want to get tattoos, piercings, cosmetic surgery? Knock yourself out. But bodily autonomy has always had limits when it impacts another human life.

 

[liberty]

abortion is an okay form of murder

 

[St.TikTokcel]

Perfect example of begging the question. It completely ignores the central issue: there are TWO bodies involved, not one.

The entire debate hinges on whether the unborn child deserves moral consideration as a separate human being.

Separate DNA, separate brain, separate heart, separate blood type in many cases.
Scientifically, that's not the woman's body. It's a distinct human organism. The 'their body, their choice' slogan conveniently pretends this second body doesn't exist.

I'm all for bodily autonomy. You want to get tattoos, piercings, cosmetic surgery? Knock yourself out. But bodily autonomy has always had limits when it impacts another human life.

Abortions prevent mindless suffering. Forcing them to give birth will have dire consequences.

 

[holy]

neither is wrong by modern standards, morals are subject to change, universal rights and wrongs don't exist, there is no inherent value to life

I'm sorry, but that bullshit moral relativism is just laziness.

If there's no inherent value to life and no universal rights or wrongs, then why should anyone give a damn about your opinion or anyone else's? Your own argument undermines itself.

abortion prevents another human from reaching consciousness and thus suffering.

That's the most dangerous logic imaginable.

By that standard, we could justify killing anyone in their sleep or in a coma. Fuck it, we could justify infanticide since newborns lack self-awareness and complex consciousness.

And if suffering prevention is your metric, you've got a serious empirical problem. Most humans report being glad they exist, despite suffering.

 

[holy]

Abortions prevent mindless suffering.

That's a convenient euphemism that completely sidesteps the reality. You're not preventing suffering, you're ending a life before it has the chance to experience anything at all, including joy, love, and achievement.

dire consequences.

Let me examine them objectively.

Yes, unplanned pregnancies create challenges. But the solution to difficult circumstances isn't eliminating the human being creating those circumstances. That's addressing a social problem with homicide.

If you're genuinely concerned about suffering, then advocate for:

- better adoption systems
- improved prenatal care
- stronger social safety nets

The fact that your first solution is 'just kill the developing human' says more about your priorities than you realize.

 

[Sean o' Tist]

DNRD.
Caring about abortion is incel trait and gigacope anyways.
If we were chadlites, we would be glad that we wouldnt have to pay aliments to all the sluts we would have fucked.

 

[holy]

DNRD.
Caring about abortion is incel trait and gigacope anyways.
If we were chadlites, we would be glad that we wouldnt have to pay aliments to all the sluts we would have fucked.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

That's a convenient euphemism that completely sidesteps the reality. You're not preventing suffering, you're ending a life before it has the chance to experience anything at all, including joy, love, and achievement.

The people that get abortions usually have troublesome backgrounds. Of course, exceptions do occur but that's besides the point. High chance their lives are going to be shit

Let me examine them objectively.

Yes, unplanned pregnancies create challenges. But the solution to difficult circumstances isn't eliminating the human being creating those circumstances. That's addressing a social problem with homicide.

As other people have pointed out, the people that get abortions are "problematic" and their forced offspring will most likely have those
"problematic" traits (not to mention that their own so called mother doesn't want them so JFL)

- better adoption systems

That's already problematic. The fact that you have to separate them from their biological parents JFL.

 

[Sean o' Tist]

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I said I didnt read it . And now ,as I have, i see OP isnt advocating against abortions.

 

[ognencho]

Dnr - abortion is fine is you got raped

 

[looksmaxxed]

yes, it's hard to get normies to untangle the bullshit inconsistencies in their logic, because they are ultimately very stupid people who don't like to think. this is why they simp for public education, mandates, and more government. they want every aspect of their autonomy stripped away so they can consoom netflix and sportsball in peace free from the inconveniences of self governance.

it's very easy to say you support abortion and murder at the same time, this is a classic right wing viewpoint. eugenics, death penalty and all that.

shitlibs want to maintain their false moral highground by claiming it's "just a clump of cells" as if it is definitionally distinct from a fully grown human, so they can avoid being considered muh murderers. because everything is murder to them. meat is murder, natural gas is murder, mean words are genocide apparently. everything except having some psychopath liquify your own fetus and queefing it out

 

[maximum cope31]

@holy

What do you think of companies like BlackRock etc. and their entire executive councils being composed of a particular group of people...

What are your opinions on CIA and JFK?

 

[looks>books]

Th

One day you'll realize that all of human morality, ethics, etc is like this. The idea of wrongness in a large scale society is mostly utilitarian in nature. Killing an unwanted baby is definitely murder of a human life, but it's a murder of a life that isn't consider very valuable to society. It's not beautiful rich women who got pregnant with their chad husbands getting abortions. It's blue haired subhuman whores who fucked some nigger or tinder scum who are of little value to anyone. Republicucks are anti-abortion and want more of them purely to devalue the labor of everyone else already living so that they can turn everyone into even more of a slave worker bee than they already are. People want this murder. That's why it happens and that's why nobody cares.

is is true if God didnt exist

If there is no God then laws and morality literally do not exist