Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

[Peco]

In every single conversation I've had with people on this forum at some point they would say "You can't do that", "The only way to do that is this..." and stuff like this. The reasoning behind it was that there wasn't any scientific paper or few scientific papers to back the claim I was making. To the people that think this way I would like to point to you that all the methods you think are effective and backed by science, once weren't. You surely can use science to back your claims but you can't use it to criticize someone's arguments. 99% of studies never say there is no way to do something, most would say things like "There isn't any known way" or "for the research we have right now there is no way". Science is always open to new possibilites while most of you seem not to be.

 

[hoodsiickle]

Yeah keep coping with your thumbpulling boyo

 

[astatin]

What the hell are you even talking about bru

 

[Peco]

Yeah keep coping with your thumbpulling boyo

This is another common thing that happens in most of my conversation. People associate my arguments to things that are easier to attack instead of adressing what I say. I do not think thumbpulling works if that's what you want to hear. It's pretty arrogant of people to assume they know everything about someone just by reading one post. Instead of making assumptions adress my claims for what they are

 

[Peco]

What the hell are you even talking about bru

I think I explained the problem pretty clearly, what do you not understand about it ?

 

[astatin]

I think I explained the problem pretty clearly, what do you not understand about it ?

I just dnrd your whole shit

 

[StellaFanboy]

lol what does this even mean you idiot. i dont even understand anything you wrote at all.

 

[Peco]

I just dnrd your whole shit

I should have expected that from someone that paid to get an holographic name tag, my bad

 

[Peco]

lol what does this even mean you idiot. i dont even understand anything you wrote at all.

Sounds like ragebait, not gonna pursue this unless you have some real criticism on this

 

[astatin]

I should have expected that from someone that paid to get an holographic name tag, my bad

I didn't even pay for it lmao

A mod gifted me it

 

[akldojsojaas]

In every single conversation I've had with people on this forum at some point they would say "You can't do that", "The only way to do that is this..." and stuff like this. The reasoning behind it was that there wasn't any scientific paper or few scientific papers to back the claim I was making. To the people that think this way I would like to point to you that all the methods you think are effective and backed by science, once weren't. You surely can use science to back your claims but you can't use it to criticize someone's arguments. 99% of studies never say there is no way to do something, most would say things like "There isn't any known way" or "for the research we have right now there is no way". Science is always open to new possibilites while most of you seem not to be.

DNR ur js fucking yapping nonsense

 

[gaysigmamax]

personally I am not going to spend my time on something speculative, if something groundbreaking was found, I would do it after seen testimonials at least

 

[Peco]

I didn't even pay for it lmao

A mod gifted me it

Its besides the point, seeing this much costumization on a profile always makes me smile. It's just something about picturing you behind that screen choosing the best combination of shiny colors to match your pfp.
Anyways it seems I have struck a cord, otherwise you wouldn't have replied on this thread, that's enough for me.

 

[Peco]

personally I am not going to spend my time on something speculative, if something groundbreaking was found, I would do it after seen testimonials at least

That's what you'll always be behind those who do not have this closed mindset. I have already replied to you in the other thread

 

[astatin]

Its besides the point, seeing this much costumization on a profile always makes me smile. It's just something about picturing you behind that screen choosing the best combination of shiny colors to match your pfp.
Anyways it seems I have struck a cord, otherwise you wouldn't have replied on this thread, that's enough for me.

Im sorry if I came off as rude lol.

You didn't "struck a cord" either lmao

 

[gaysigmamax]

thanks for the demoralising quote brah

That's what you'll always be behind those who do not have this closed mindset. I have already replied to you in the other thread

 

[Finncelchud]

That is true to an extend, however having scientific evidence to backup what youre doing is important to make sure that you don't waste your time or cause damage

 

[Blood164728]

That's what you'll always be behind those who do not have this closed mindset. I have already replied to you in the other thread

you seem high iq

 

[Peco]

Im sorry if I came off as rude lol.

You didn't "struck a cord" either lmao

This is exactly how someone who was touched by my words would reply.

 

[astatin]

This is exactly how someone who was touched by my words would reply.

I barely understand what you're saying lol, why would i be mad.

It feels like you're more mad than me, or your standarts are really low.

I always reply idk why you think this needs effort

 

[Peco]

That is true to an extend, however having scientific evidence to backup what youre doing is important to make sure that you don't waste your time or cause damage

I do not think you are ever wasting time by researching or trying new things out. Things like surgery for example can take years to complete if you account for getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, with the inherit risk of things going wrong and not giving you the results you expected

I agree with the causing damage though, you shouldn't do anything that might cause you damage if that is not scientifically backed. But if what you do doesn't involve any riks you might as well try it.

 

[Finncelchud]

I do not think you are ever wasting time by researching or trying new things out. Things like surgery for example can take years to complete if you account for getting the money, booking, scheduling and recovery, with the inherit risk of things going wrong and not giving you the results you expected

I agree with the causing damage though, you shouldn't do anything that might cause you damage if that is not scientifically backed. But if what you do doesn't involve any riks you might as well try it.

fair enough

 

[Peco]

I barely understand what you're saying lol, why would i be mad.

This is not a flex

It feels like you're more mad than me, or your standarts are really low.

I always reply idk why you think this needs effort

I'm not mad at all but I do like to demoralize people who pay this little respect to me. It seems I am succeeding at that

 

[astatin]

This is not a flex

I'm not mad at all but I do like to demoralize people who pay this little respect to me. It seems I am succeeding at that

Im not flexing

And idek who you are why would i show you respect? You're not a reputable user and your post to rep ratio suckss sooo

 

[Peco]

And idek who you are why would i show you respect? You're not a reputable user and your post to rep ratio suckss sooo

Yall be complaing about people only caring about looks and then say shit like this. But again, I should expect this from someone with that profile

 

[astatin]

Yall be complaing about people only caring about looks and then say shit like this. But again, I should expect this from someone with that profile

Im not complaining about it tho?

 

[Acquiescence]

My brother in Christ, most intellectually honest people here will admit that the current looksmaxxing methods are not the end all be all forever, and that new options will evolve as time goes on and science and tech develops

But do you see the absurdity of constantly pointing out to people “Uh did you guys know there might be other ways to ascend???” but refusing to elaborate further then getting mad when people start filling in the gaps and assuming you’re a proponent of well known cope methods that plague the community?

 

[Peco]

Im not complaining about it tho?

If you think judging people by their rep ratio, join date or any other bullshit other than their words, you probably think it's ok to judge people by their looks, which is even more concerning than your holographic name tag. One thing is realizing that people tend to do something, another is actively doing that thing.

 

[astatin]

If you think judging people by their rep ratio, join date or any other bullshit other than their words, you probably think it's ok to judge people by their looks, which is even more concerning than your holographic name tag. One thing is realizing that people tend to do something, another is actively doing that thing.

Water

Idk why you're so pressed of the name color lmao i didnt even buy it

 

[Peco]

My brother in Christ, most intellectually honest people here will admit that the current looksmaxxing methods are not the end all be all forever, and that new options will evolve as time goes on and science and tech develops

Well most people aren't intellectually honest here then.

But do you see the absurdity of constantly pointing out to people “Uh did you guys know there might be other ways to ascend???” but refusing to elaborate further then getting mad when people start filling in the gaps and assuming you’re a proponent of well known cope methods that plague the community?

I am not responsible for the stupidity of people, if someone wants to assume I thumbpull every morning and sunbath my balls they can do so. I think it's an irrational way of thinking, in none of my replies I ever said I support any of that bullshit. I'm not gonna give you the solution because I have no reason to do so. But what I can do is show how most of what you think is bullshit with rational arguments. If you specifically already agree with me that's good for you but it's clear most people here don't.

I think that if the only way to make someone change their mind on the stupidity of something is to show an alternative, that's on them. None of my arguments require an alternative for them to be true. If I gave you the alternative I would just feed this retarded way of thinking.

 

[Acquiescence]

Well most people aren't intellectually honest here then.

I am not responsible for the stupidity of people, if someone wants to assume I thumbpull every morning and sunbath my balls they can do so. I think it's an irrational way of thinking, in none of my replies I ever said I support any of that bullshit. I'm not gonna give you the solution because I have no reason to do so. But what I can do is show how most of what you think is bullshit with rational arguments. If you specifically already agree with me that's good for you but it's clear most people here don't.

I think that if the only what to make someone change their mind on the stupidity something is to show an alternative, that's on them. None of my arguments require an alternative for them to be true. If I gave you the alternative I would just feed this retarded way of thinking.

Yes they don’t require an alternative but it’s about as useful as pointing out Newtonian / quantum mechanics aren’t complete mappings of physics. Like yes bro but until there’s something else that’s more explanatory / useful then all you’re doing is adding redundancy to the convo

Like what are you trying to accomplish exactly? Making people more skeptical of current lm methods? If so I don’t think it really matters because once something new and useful comes along people will jump on it like sharks regardless of how intellectually robust they were in their application of lm shit ya know?

The only utility I could see in promoting skepticism is if the culture of blind adherence to current methods was so strong it was hurting RnD into other viable paths but let’s be honest bro most denizens of this forum are not future all star scientists and maxfacs jfl

Let people be dumb dumbs like you said ig (although I think that’s a bit of an unfair characterization tbh - would you call someone who follows the current best strategy for any given thing “dumb” just because they don’t articulate the underlying logical systems going on and the possibility of future change? In the end the real world results are all that matter and most people are bang average and don’t need that level of introspection to achieve what they want)

 

[Peco]

Yes they don’t require an alternative but it’s about as useful as pointing out Newtonian / quantum mechanics aren’t complete mappings of physics. Like yes bro but until there’s something else that’s more explanatory / useful then all you’re doing is adding redundancy to the convo

I am not saying they are incomplete though, I'm saying most methods are straight up wrong

Like what are you trying to accomplish exactly? Making people more skeptical of current lm methods? If so I don’t think it really matters because once something new and useful comes along people will jump on it like sharks regardless of how intellectually robust they were in their application of lm shit ya know?

Like I said if someone is gonna change their mind only when they find a better alternative, that's enough of a problem in and in it of itself. If you think like that you are never improving even with the best methods available.
You need to take matters into your own hands, if you expect others to do things for you, you are never going anywhere.
I think making people realize this is more useful than giving them a method, because like I said it's only gonna feed this poor mindset

The only utility I could see in promoting skepticism is if the culture of blind adherence to current methods was so strong it was hurting RnD into other viable paths but let’s be honest bro most denizens of this forum are not future all star scientists and maxfacs jfl

Right but it's people and influencers in these communities that make the things popular. The research on roids or surgery hasn't increased as much as their popularity among people.
So while the poor ways of thinking I talked about in my threads will not affect the scientific community, they do affect the popularity of its discoveries.
Skepticism isn't a problem in science, it is in this community.

Let people be dumb dumbs like you said ig (although I think that’s a bit of an unfair characterization tbh - would you call someone who follows the current best strategy for any given thing “dumb” just because they don’t articulate the underlying logical systems going on and the possibility of future change? In the end the real world results are all that matter and most people are bang average and don’t need that level of introspection to achieve what they want)

I do not think that if you follow the best strategy available you are dumb. I think though that if you follow that strategy because others told you it was the best then you are.

Everyone should follow what they think is the best strategy. Otherwise it wouldn't be the best, right? But people need to get to that with their own mind. Most people here cannot think for themselves.

Back when the forum was less popular it was harder to get swallowed by the hive mind and easier to remain an indipendent thinker, but now you could guess what users think on basically anything pretty easily, by how mindlessly they follow this community's dogmas.


Edit: also wanted to say that this mindset is also reflected by how people respond to arguments. They would much rather listen to a retard who farmed his rep to post ratio in off topic than someone that actually makes logical criticism. That's because it's easier to look at two numbers than it is reading a paragraph, just like it's easier to blindly follow what others tell you to do than it is doing your own research.

 

[Acquiescence]

I am not saying they are incomplete though, I'm saying most methods are straight up wrong

Like I said if someone is gonna change their mind only when they find a better alternative, that's enough of a problem in and in it of itself. If you think like that you are never improving even with the best methods available.
You need to take matters into your own hands, if you expect others to do things for you, you are never going anywhere.
I think making people realize this is more useful than giving them a method, because like I said it's only gonna feed this poor mindset

Right but it's people and influencers in these communities that make the things popular. The research on roids or surgery hasn't increased as much as their popularity among people.
So while the poor ways of thinking I talked about in my threads will not affect the scientific community, they do affect the popularity of its discoveries.
Skepticism isn't a problem in science, it is in this community.

I do not think that if you follow the best strategy available you are dumb. I think though that if you follow that strategy because others told you it was the best then you are.

Everyone should follow what they think is the best strategy. Otherwise it wouldn't be the best, right? But people need to get to that with their own mind. Most people here cannot think for themselves.

Back when the forum was less popular it was harder to get swallowed by the hive mind and easier to remain an indipendent thinker, but now you could guess what users think on basically anything pretty easily, by how mindlessly they follow this community's dogmas.


Edit: also wanted to say that this mindset is also reflected by how people respond to arguments. They would much rather listen to a retard who farmed his rep to post ratio in off topic than someone that actually makes logical criticism. That's because it's easier to look at two numbers than it is reading a paragraph, just like it's easier to blindly follow what others tell you to do than it is doing your own research.

Okay I agree with the anti-hivemind stuff but disagree that surgery etc is “straight up wrong”

Highly limited, and practically useless for the vast majority of men yes, but still not “wrong”

Don’t really know where to take the conversation from here other than simply saying I hope genetic engineering and better mastery of biology comes to be in the future