Actual Budget to Go From MTN to CL With Hardmaxxing?

[The Dire]

So here's the situation. I'm 18, currently sitting at mmtn imo (some people might say hmtn but I prefer to stay humble and plan for worst case). I already have around 30k saved up and I'm not planning to touch it for hardmaxxing until I'm 21.

There's a reason I'm waiting 3 years and not rushing in now.​

First, I want my facial fat distribution to fully stabilize before doing anything irreversible. Your face changes between 18 and 21, jaw keeps developing a bit, buccal fat shifts, bone structure settles. In the meantime I'm already doing Aqualyx sessions to deal with some stubborn fat in the lower face so I'm not just sitting around doing nothing.

Second, I want to actually STUDY hardmaxxing before throwing 5/6 figures at surgeons. I'm planning to read stuff like Facial Aesthetics by Farhad B. Naini and go deep into the theory so when I finally sit down with a surgeon I know exactly what I'm asking for and I can tell if he's talking shit or not. Too many guys here go in blind and get butchered because they trusted the wrong PS.

The real question is how much I should actually be saving.​

I'm working and investing so by 21-23 I can realistically have a lot more than 30k if I plan properly. But I don't know what the target should be. That's where I need input from people who actually did this or are planning it seriously.

Goal is going from mmtn to CL / hhtn by 23. What's the genuine budget for that kind of jump? I'm thinking the big potential procedures are bimax, genio, rhino, maybe custom implants depending on what I need, eye area work like canthoplasty and fat grafting to fix the orbital region, plus veneers for the teeth and some skin stuff on top (if I really need). I'm not trying to lowball this, I want the real number including travel (I'm from Italy), revisions (just in case), everything.

The max I was genuinely thinking about was around 100k. Is that enough to realistically get to CL if I'm smart about surgeon choice and don't get greedy with procedures, or am I being delusional and the real number is way higher? lmk what you actually think

 

[ICL]

Depends on the flaw.
If you have short face syndrome? Trimax will get you far.
If you have exophthalmos? Orbital decompression will get you far.

But if your flaw is 2mm maxillomandibular recession relative to the glabbella, i, think the problem is w/ your mindset

 

[The Dire]

Depends on the flaw.
If you have short face syndrome? Trimax will get you far.
If you have exophthalmos? Orbital decompression will get you far.

But if your flaw is 2mm maxillomandibular recession relative to the glabbella, i, think the problem is w/ your mindset

yeah I'm barely recessed tbh, like my actual recession is minimal, but from what Ive studied so far trimax would still do a lot for me. its not just about fixing recession, the projection and the overall harmony you get from moving the whole midface and mandible forward is on another level even for guys who aren't particularly recessed to begin with.

But like I said in the OP Im not rushing into anything. Thats exactly why I'm giving myself years to study this deeply before touching my face. Reading the actual literature, understanding cephalometrics properly, learning what each surgeon specializes in and what their failure cases look like. By the time I'm 21-22 I want to know this stuff better than half the consultations I would walk into. Only then I decide what actually makes sense for me

 

[ICL]

yeah I'm barely recessed tbh, like my actual recession is minimal, but from what Ive studied so far trimax would still do a lot for me. its not just about fixing recession, the projection and the overall harmony you get from moving the whole midface and mandible forward is on another level even for guys who aren't particularly recessed to begin with.

But like I said in the OP Im not rushing into anything. Thats exactly why I'm giving myself years to study this deeply before touching my face. Reading the actual literature, understanding cephalometrics properly, learning what each surgeon specializes in and what their failure cases look like. By the time I'm 21-22 I want to know this stuff better than half the consultations I would walk into. Only then I decide what actually makes sense for me

Best impact would be ones of eye area

 

[The Dire]

Best impact would be ones of eye area

In terms of ROI?

 

[ICL]

In terms of ROI?

in terms of return.


they are the most risky however so ROI is not that good

 

[The Dire]

in terms of return.


they are the most risky however so ROI is not that good

I think that for the eye area, I might only need canthoplasty, blepharoplasty, and fat grafting, maybe some infraorbital implants as well. I don’t think it’s very risky.

 

[ICL]

I think that for the eye area, I might only need canthoplasty, blepharoplasty, and fat grafting, maybe some infraorbital implants as well. I don’t think it’s very risky.

dont do bleph and infras

infras are uncanny 99% of the time, bleph isnt useful if you arent aging

Fat grafitng is fine but minimal benefit. IF you have exophthalmos, get orbital decompression 100%. Best ROI surgery ever.

 

[xandylooksmaxs]

most people dont have exophthalmos

 

[The Dire]

dont do bleph and infras

infras are uncanny 99% of the time, bleph isnt useful if you arent aging

Fat grafitng is fine but minimal benefit. IF you have exophthalmos, get orbital decompression 100%. Best ROI surgery ever.

Actually the reason I was considering bleph isn't aging related, one of my eyelids sits slightly differently from the other. Might be overthinking it though, could probably get away with just addressing it through other means or leaving it alone entirely.

My main focus right now is maxing profile and lower third, that's where the biggest gains are coming from and that's where I want to put most of the budget. The eye area is already decent for me honestly, not a weak point, but I want to push it into the top tier range.

So the eye stuff is more like phase 2 after the big bone work is done and healed. At that point I'll know exactly what's still missing and can plan canthoplasty plus whatever else makes sense based on how the face sits after the maxillomandibular advancement changes everything. Might end up being less invasive than I thought once the underlying structure is sorted.

 

[The Dire]

most people dont have exophthalmos

Actually, I don't have it

 

[The Dire]

bump

 

[ICL]

most people dont have exophthalmos

I'd argue, majority of indians do, and certain ethnics

 

[The Dire]

I'd argue, majority of indians do, and certain ethnics

I’m italian

 

[ICL]

I’m italian

Well you can have it in any race in particular

 

[The Dire]

Well you can have it in any race in particular

I’m 100% sure I don’t have exophthalmos