Adding TEST to Stack @16

[orbicularis]

Pre cycle
Will get blood work done and see whats my levels are natty

• Week 1 Start of cycle 300mg test E Pinned EOD IM
• Week 2 300mg test E If i notice high estrogen symptoms i will add in .25 anastrozole 2x a Week
• Week 3 300mg test E
• Week 4 300mg Test E ( Only if tolerating 300mg test E Will get blood work done and see where im at and will go to 350 if no sides)
• Week 5-8 350 Test E EOD IM
• Blood work again
• Weeks 9-20 400mg test if tolerating 350mg (MAX DOSE) END OF CYCLE EITHER PCT OR TRT

Anastorzole starting dose

• .25mg 2x a week

TRT Route (If im not satisfied with results and want to Run one more cycle)

• Test E 150mg 2x a week

PCT Route ( if im satisfied)

• 1000iu last 2 weeks of cycle
• Then come off HCG and HMG and add in enclo
• 25mg enclo a day for a month then ill hop off and get bloods done again

Hairloss ( im very prone)

• Ru-58841 75-100mg depends on aplication Daily at night ( on ru rn)
• Pyrilutamide 5mg Daily in the morning
• Oral minoxidil 5mg Daily on 3mg rn
• PP405-3HP Daily

Fertility/PCT

• HCG 250iu EOD 1000iu last 2 weeks of cycle
• HMG 75IU 1x a week
• Enlco 25mg for one month after stopping HCG

Cycle support/anti aging

• Tadalifil 5mg Daily if i notice high BP
• Eplearonone 50mg Daily
• Nad+ 100mg Daily
• Injectable Glutathione 1mg 3x a week Maybe will pin IM
• Astaxanthin 12mg a day

Im also on 80mcg ablo rn and 12iu hgh n other peps/meds not included here
After my 20 week cycle i will either TRT then Run one more cycle Then PCT ,Or if im satisfied with results i will PCT and come off.

 

[MindOfBeni]

Pyrilutamide source? also the pp405

 

[Logs808]

wont this just stunt growth? and are you ready to be on trt for life

 

[orbicularis]

Pyrilutamide source? also the pp405

https://anageninc.com/pyrilutamide/ Pyrilutamide
https://everychem.com/product/pp405-3hp-gel-dispenser-0-05/ PP405-3HP

Rep me

 

[orbicularis]

wont this just stunt growth? and are you ready to be on trt for life

No im getting bloods every month and monitoring E2 levels, and ill have Ai on hand if i need it. Also yeah im not scared of TRT for life but thats very unlikely. The first PCT is often very successful hence why im either going to pct after or trt and do another cycle then PCT .This way im only PCT one time.

Also im 6"2 so dose it really matter

 

[MindOfBeni]

https://anageninc.com/pyrilutamide/ Pyrilutamide
https://everychem.com/product/pp405-3hp-gel-dispenser-0-05/ PP405-3HP

Rep me

I tough you buy raw powder

 

[Logs808]

No im getting bloods every month and monitoring E2 levels, and ill have Ai on hand if i need it. Also yeah im not scared of TRT for life but thats very unlikely. The first PCT is often very successful hence why im either going to pct after or trt and do another cycle then PCT .This way im only PCT one time.

Also im 6"2 so dose it really matter

fair enough

 

[orbicularis]

I tough you buy raw powder

lmao nah, they have raws too tho

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

https://anageninc.com/pyrilutamide/ Pyrilutamide
https://everychem.com/product/pp405-3hp-gel-dispenser-0-05/ PP405-3HP

Rep me

Why take risk on experimental stuff when there are plenty of well vetted remedies.

Oral Monoxidil
Nizoral shampoo
Topical Dutasteride

I'm a systemic DHT blocker hater but don't see what the harm can be for localized verizons. Nizoral Shampo which is a localized DHT blocker, has been shown to regrow hair by up to 17% using it a few times a week. It's freaking OTC at every grocery store so risk are near 0.

Im all for you know, doing research just dont see the advantage in this case. Any reason?

 

[gyura]

Dnr

 

[orbicularis]

Why take risk on experimental stuff when there are plenty of well vetted remedies.

Oral Monoxidil
Nizoral shampoo
Topical Dutasteride

I'm a systemic DHT blocker hater but don't see what the harm can be for localized verizons. Nizoral Shampo which is a localized DHT blocker, has been shown to regrow hair by up to 17% using it a few times a week. It's freaking OTC at every grocery store so risk are near 0.

Im all for you know, doing research just dont see the advantage in this case. Any reason?

Yes, because even topical fin/Dut some % of it still gets absorbed systematically suppressing dht.I dont want to block dht at 16 and topical ru has worked great.

 

[orbicularis]

Dnr

ok

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Yes, because even topical fin/Dut some % of it still gets absorbed systematically suppressing dht.I dont want to block dht at 16 and topical ru has worked great.

It’s an extremely small amount and on dut is less then fin bc molecular size of the structure. You can also buy formulations where that’s even less likely to enter blood.

But ya it’s fair point.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Pyrilutamide 5mg Daily in the morning

Shit

PP405-3HP Daily

For some reason sites market jxl as pp405, i doubt youre getting pp405

If you wanna combine something with ru get something like clascoterone or/and asc-j9

 

[Werther]

Pre cycle
Will get blood work done and see whats my levels are natty

• Week 1 Start of cycle 300mg test E Pinned EOD IM
• Week 2 300mg test E If i notice high estrogen symptoms i will add in .25 anastrozole 2x a Week
• Week 3 300mg test E
• Week 4 300mg Test E ( Only if tolerating 300mg test E Will get blood work done and see where im at and will go to 350 if no sides)
• Week 5-8 350 Test E EOD IM
• Blood work again
• Weeks 9-20 400mg test if tolerating 350mg (MAX DOSE) END OF CYCLE EITHER PCT OR TRT

Anastorzole starting dose

• .25mg 2x a week

TRT Route (If im not satisfied with results and want to Run one more cycle)

• Test E 150mg 2x a week

PCT Route ( if im satisfied)

• 1000iu last 2 weeks of cycle
• Then come off HCG and HMG and add in enclo
• 25mg enclo a day for a month then ill hop off and get bloods done again

Hairloss ( im very prone)

• Ru-58841 75-100mg depends on aplication Daily at night ( on ru rn)
• Pyrilutamide 5mg Daily in the morning
• Oral minoxidil 5mg Daily on 3mg rn
• PP405-3HP Daily

Fertility/PCT

• HCG 250iu EOD 1000iu last 2 weeks of cycle
• HMG 75IU 1x a week
• Enlco 25mg for one month after stopping HCG

Cycle support/anti aging

• Tadalifil 5mg Daily if i notice high BP
• Eplearonone 50mg Daily
• Nad+ 100mg Daily
• Injectable Glutathione 1mg 3x a week Maybe will pin IM
• Astaxanthin 12mg a day

Im also on 80mcg ablo rn and 12iu hgh n other peps/meds not included here
After my 20 week cycle i will either TRT then Run one more cycle Then PCT ,Or if im satisfied with results i will PCT and come off.

Take ai regardless

 

[orbicularis]

Take ai regardless

im like 11% body fat idk how ima aromatize , im going to either wait till blood work or i get high e2 symptoms.im getting bloods every month.

 

[orbicularis]

Shit

For some reason sites market jxl as pp405, i doubt youre getting pp405

If you wanna combine something with ru get something like clascoterone or/and asc-j9

No this is different from jxl. this is actual pp-405. Also whats wrong with Pyrilutamide its shown to be more effective than ru-58841

 

[orbicularis]

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[orbicularis]

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[thramer.]

im like 11% body fat idk how ima aromatize , im going to either wait till blood work or i get high e2 symptoms.im getting bloods every month.

you dont need to be high bf to aromatise

 

[orbicularis]

you dont need to be high bf to aromatise

Yeah ik, you just aromatize less at a lower body fat.Not everyone that takes test needs ai so i just have to see how my body reacts

 

[thramer.]

Yeah ik, you just aromatize less at a lower body fat.Not everyone that takes test needs ai so i just have to see how my body reacts

your 16 bro you need ai most guys around your age have already experienced pubertal gyno (around 70% of males) im 15.5 years old and got it naturally when i was 13 just saying to watch out and use at least very little ai at least for height

 

[orbicularis]

your 16 bro you need ai most guys around your age have already experienced pubertal gyno (around 70% of males) im 15.5 years old and got it naturally when i was 13 just saying to watch out and use at least very little ai at least for height

yeah definitely, dosent make sense to start with an ai tho, im waiting till either blood work or high e2 symptoms

 

[thramer.]

yeah definitely, dosent make sense to start with an ai tho, im waiting till either blood work or high e2 symptoms

e2 WILL increase bro if youre ok with that then whatever

 

[snowbunnyhunter6]

sounds like you did your research i still never saw the point in doing tren at 16 just do test for one year while going to the gym and youll be fine

 

[orbicularis]

sounds like you did your research i still never saw the point in doing tren at 16 just do test for one year while going to the gym and youll be fine

thanks brah, yeah i dont think ill ever touch tren

 

[ChudReceptor]

thanks brah, yeah i dont think ill ever touch tren

the mental sides alone make not want to touch it, on top of that its hella supressive

 

[thramer.]

No im getting bloods every month and monitoring E2 levels, and ill have Ai on hand if i need it. Also yeah im not scared of TRT for life but thats very unlikely. The first PCT is often very successful hence why im either going to pct after or trt and do another cycle then PCT .This way im only PCT one time.

Also im 6"2 so dose it really matter

dont "have the ai on hand" youre 16 you dont have that privellege, if your plates are open by increasing estrogen through extra testosterone load to aromastise into estradiol you are permanently subtracting inches off your final height keeping estrogen withint the 15-20 range is optimal for bodily function and brain development while delaying plate closure and minimizing bloat and gyno side effects. a good rule of thumb is the less estrogen the better in most cases (unless your e2 levels reaches below 10 pg/ml).

 

[Etson]

wont this just stunt growth? and are you ready to be on trt for life

Lmao TRT for life?

Firstly, exogenous Testosterone Is superior to endogenous.

Endogenous is hormonally shifting constantly, exogenous is (if pined daily) perfectly hormonally stable.

But let's say he wants to come off, he takes hCG, a SERM, and HMG, and he'll likely be ABOVE his natural normal he was before. It will just take longer as you are on gear longer.

 

[Etson]

thanks brah, yeah i dont think ill ever touch tren

Yeah same feeling on Tren.

Tren is like 3 to 10 times MORE anabolic than Testosterone. It's gains are real and it's not water/glycogen like SARMS its real lean mass.

However, the horror stories from permanent neurological issues, is actually intensive to cardiovascular system, roid rage, sleep apnea, turning into a homosexual, muscle tearing, etc are too high risk for my taste, still doesn't take away from how incredible it is for muscle building quickly.

Testosterone has like 3 minor things to watch out for, RBC, Estrogen, and Oxidative stress long term. You can get similar results just on a longer time scale with Test.

Pre cycle


Will get blood work done and see whats my levels are natty

• Week 1 Start of cycle 300mg test E Pinned EOD IM
• Week 2 300mg test E If i notice high estrogen symptoms i will add in .25 anastrozole 2x a Week
• Week 3 300mg test E
• Week 4 300mg Test E ( Only if tolerating 300mg test E Will get blood work done and see where im at and will go to 350 if no sides)
• Week 5-8 350 Test E EOD IM
• Blood work again
• Weeks 9-20 400mg test if tolerating 350mg (MAX DOSE) END OF CYCLE EITHER PCT OR TRT

Very good on the precycle blood test. I have method that gives you free blood test requisitions of you are in a country that has that.

I had 280ng naturally at 22 so there was literally no downside for me hopping on. 30% of Gen Z are at my levels so if you are at similar ones you'll enjoy a crazy life changing amount of energy, strength, confidence, mental clarity.

IM really sucks, especially long term. It's scar tissue also sucks. I do SubQ Test Cyp and I would highly recommend it for doing long term.

I too started on 300mg of Test, bumped to 325m and then 400mg after blood work. The goal should be to get it as high as you can until 600mg, because that's basically where clinical studies end for Supra levels of T, the rest is just guessing based on what gymbros have done.

The cycle should be at least 6 months and ideally 12 months to get the full anabolic saturation.

Anastorzole starting dose

• .25mg 2x a week

If your E2 natural was high then this is good idea.

TRT Route (If im not satisfied with results and want to Run one more cycle)

• Test E 150mg 2x a week

Do NOT do 2x a week

I literally did this and it was horrible for bloat and Estrogenic side effects. My feet were HUGE and bloated.

Look at how different the levels are in stability. Do at LEAST 3x a week but I highly recommend 4x a week.

PCT Route ( if im satisfied)

• 1000iu last 2 weeks of cycle
• Then come off HCG and HMG and add in enclo
• 25mg enclo a day for a month then ill hop off and get bloods done again

Once you feel Supra levels you'll never want to PCT lol.

I said the same thing, I have like 120 tablets of Clomid. Blast and Cruise, run 750-1,000 IU's of hCG a week. hCG wil replace your LH since your LH will be basically gone.

Hairloss ( im very prone)

• Ru-58841 75-100mg depends on aplication Daily at night ( on ru rn)
• Pyrilutamide 5mg Daily in the morning
• Oral minoxidil 5mg Daily on 3mg rn
• PP405-3HP Daily

I have not heard of 3 of these things and I don't want to look them up, but just make sure you are NOT BLOCKING DHT until you are OUT OF PUBERTY.

DHT will decide your penis growth within your genetic capacity, boys who were DHT repressed had Micro Penises

Fertility/PCT

• HCG 250iu EOD 1000iu last 2 weeks of cycle
• HMG 75IU 1x a week
• Enlco 25mg for one month after stopping HCG

I ran 11 weeks no hCG, and then started after that. Again, wait till you FEEL and SEE the differences and you'll understand.

Cycle support/anti aging

• Tadalifil 5mg Daily if i notice high BP
• Eplearonone 50mg Daily
• Nad+ 100mg Daily
• Injectable Glutathione 1mg 3x a week Maybe will pin IM
• Astaxanthin 12mg a day

Take Cialis daily 5mg for the rest of your life. It's CARDIOPROTECTIVE. Your erections are better, you are slightly more vascular, and has ZERO downsides and is dirt cheap.

Glutathione is good this will help with Oxidative stress since you are doing it long term. Should also be doing 5000 IU's of Vitamin D, Omega 3's and other supporting supplements.

Im also on 80mcg ablo rn and 12iu hgh n other peps/meds not included here
After my 20 week cycle i will either TRT then Run one more cycle Then PCT ,Or if im satisfied with results i will PCT and come off.

Good luck, your plan is solid.

 

[orbicularis]

dont "have the ai on hand" youre 16 you dont have that privellege, if your plates are open by increasing estrogen through extra testosterone load to aromastise into estradiol you are permanently subtracting inches off your final height keeping estrogen withint the 15-20 range is optimal for bodily function and brain development while delaying plate closure and minimizing bloat and gyno side effects. a good rule of thumb is the less estrogen the better in most cases (unless your e2 levels reaches below 10 pg/ml).

my estrogen is already 19 pg/mg and im 6”2 why would i risk crashing my estrogen vs waiting for blood work after 4 weeks or waiting for high e2 symtoms.

 

[orbicularis]

Yeah same feeling on Tren.

Tren is like 3 to 10 times MORE anabolic than Testosterone. It's gains are real and it's not water/glycogen like SARMS its real lean mass.

However, the horror stories from permanent neurological issues, is actually intensive to cardiovascular system, roid rage, sleep apnea, turning into a homosexual, muscle tearing, etc are too high risk for my taste, still doesn't take away from how incredible it is for muscle building quickly.

Testosterone has like 3 minor things to watch out for, RBC, Estrogen, and Oxidative stress long term. You can get similar results just on a longer time scale with Test.





Very good on the precycle blood test. I have method that gives you free blood test requisitions of you are in a country that has that.

I had 280ng naturally at 22 so there was literally no downside for me hopping on. 30% of Gen Z are at my levels so if you are at similar ones you'll enjoy a crazy life changing amount of energy, strength, confidence, mental clarity.

IM really sucks, especially long term. It's scar tissue also sucks. I do SubQ Test Cyp and I would highly recommend it for doing long term.

I too started on 300mg of Test, bumped to 325m and then 400mg after blood work. The goal should be to get it as high as you can until 600mg, because that's basically where clinical studies end for Supra levels of T, the rest is just guessing based on what gymbros have done.

The cycle should be at least 6 months and ideally 12 months to get the full anabolic saturation.


If your E2 natural was high then this is good idea.


Do NOT do 2x a week

I literally did this and it was horrible for bloat and Estrogenic side effects. My feet were HUGE and bloated.
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Look at how different the levels are in stability. Do at LEAST 3x a week but I highly recommend 4x a week.



Once you feel Supra levels you'll never want to PCT lol.

I said the same thing, I have like 120 tablets of Clomid. Blast and Cruise, run 750-1,000 IU's of hCG a week. hCG wil replace your LH since your LH will be basically gone.


I have not heard of 3 of these things and I don't want to look them up, but just make sure you are NOT BLOCKING DHT until you are OUT OF PUBERTY.

DHT will decide your penis growth within your genetic capacity, boys who were DHT repressed had Micro Penises




I ran 11 weeks no hCG, and then started after that. Again, wait till you FEEL and SEE the differences and you'll understand.



Take Cialis daily 5mg for the rest of your life. It's CARDIOPROTECTIVE. Your erections are better, you are slightly more vascular, and has ZERO downsides and is dirt cheap.

Glutathione is good this will help with Oxidative stress since you are doing it long term. Should also be doing 5000 IU's of Vitamin D, Omega 3's and other supporting supplements.




Good luck, your plan is solid.

Thank you g high effort response. My e2 is 19 rn so im not guna start with ai

I got a whole anti-aging stack with glutathione,nmn,eptitalion and more

the hairloss stack uses topical anti androgens so i can avoid blocking dht in puberty

also i plan to pin Eod for more stable levels

 

[thramer.]

my estrogen is already 19 pg/mg and im 6”2 why would i risk crashing my estrogen vs waiting for blood work after 4 weeks or waiting for high e2 symtoms.

I mean you're choice bro keep in mind doubling your testosterone levels also means your probably going to be doubling you're e2 if you're fine with super levels of estrogen (38+) and early Epiphyseal closure then just do what you want and don't use an AI

 

[orbicularis]

I mean you're choice bro keep in mind doubling your testosterone levels also means your probably going to be doubling you're e2 if you're fine with super levels of estrogen (38+) and early Epiphyseal closure then just do what you want and don't use an AI

doubling test dose not mean ur doubling estrogen, everyone aromatize s different.ur lowk retarted

 

[Etson]

doubling test dose not mean ur doubling estrogen, everyone aromatize s different.ur lowk retarted

True you should be keeping your E2 during puberty as low as possible WITHOUT Low E2 side effects on your libido and joints.

My Estrogen is just... a tiny bit higher than yours.

the hairloss stack uses topical anti androgens so i can avoid blocking dht in puberty

That's good but you should be actually MAXXING out your DHT, you can nuke it after puberty because it just sucks after that, but it plays into your facial bones so I'd highly recommend maxxing that out.

Also applying DHT gel to your penis, a DHT SARM like Masteron would also help, you will NEVER get anymore gains on your penis, there's no surgery, there's only painful filler. So are you satisfied with your current size forever? If not, DHT max so that you leave no gains on the table, you are still limited to your genetic penis max size though.

 

[orbicularis]

True you should be keeping your E2 during puberty as low as possible WITHOUT Low E2 side effects on your libido and joints.

My Estrogen is just... a tiny bit higher than yours.

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That's good but you should be actually MAXXING out your DHT, you can nuke it after puberty because it just sucks after that, but it plays into your facial bones so I'd highly recommend maxxing that out.

Also applying DHT gel to your penis, a DHT SARM like Masteron would also help, you will NEVER get anymore gains on your penis, there's no surgery, there's only painful filler. So are you satisfied with your current size forever? If not, DHT max so that you leave no gains on the table, you are still limited to your genetic penis max size though.

dude theres no way i can run dht derived compound. Im alr kinda scared to run test even though i pretty much have the strongest hairloss protocol besides adding fin/dut.My test rn is only 650 so hopping on should increase dht alot and its guna be a big difference with 2-4x my natural test.

 

[Etson]

dude theres no way i can run dht derived compound. Im alr kinda scared to run test even though i pretty much have the strongest hairloss protocol besides adding fin/dut.My test rn is only 650 so hopping on should increase dht alot and its guna be a big difference with 2-4x my natural test.

You are 650mg a week? That's more than me God damn.

10% of that will be turned into DHT anyways so you are probably fine. Masteron helps with Estrogen as well.

 

[orbicularis]

You are 650mg a week? That's more than me God damn.

10% of that will be turned into DHT anyways so you are probably fine. Masteron helps with Estrogen as well.

nah bro my natural testosterone is 650 .