Addressing Looksmaxxing questions regarding Harmony

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- If the submental cervical angle ideal is 91-110 degrees should you be deducted for it beeing less than 91 degrees?

No, the tighter the submental region is the better, just count is as the ideal



- should the medial canthal angle be applied for the sheet?

No, as close to noone is actually using it, the ideals are off as well as majority of the people incl. Chads arent nailing the ideal



- how to measure ones gonial angle, mandibular plane if the gonion area is rounded ( applies to everyone ) ?

You draw the lines from each part, the ramus and mandible and make them meet each other, regardless of them not touching the gonion. As thats the actual angle Its forming
Using the gonion as the reference point wouldnt represent the true angle and the lines would also exceed the bone

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- if my subnasale is located very forward which would make my profile more convex than it appears to be, whats the approach?

You locate the part thats close to the deepest point of your philtrum, depends for each individual

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- What point of my hairline is considered the start of my Upper Third?

The point where your sparse hair stops and the dense hair starts



- If the lens distortion stops at roughly 6ft why does my IPD for example start decreasing as I step away further?

Because the face occupies fewer pixels, which would also make measurement errors proportionally larger



- If on my resting face my chin appears to exceed the nasion but on the frankfort plane Its further back, which one is the more reliable way to measure

Your resting face, as it heavily depends on your ear & vector placement. The human eye also doesnt perceive profiles by the frankfort plane



- What to do if I cant pinpoint my actual landmarks like the Subnasale or the exact Cheekbone height?

Either draw them on with some sort of pen or put your fingers against them ( the cheekbones )
Opening your mouth to find the exact points of the cheekbones will help you out



- If I have an overbite but Its in a good position when my face is resting, which one should I use for measuring?

Your resting face ( good teeth alignment ) as thats what people perceive



- If my glabella/ chin doesnt have the most forward point but is vertically tall, where should I pinpoint the landmarks

Take the middle of those areas
 
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Let me know what other questions to address

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- If the submental cervical angle ideal is 91-110 degrees should you be deducted for it beeing less than 91 degrees?

No, the tighter the submental region is the better, just count is as the ideal



- should the medial canthal angle be applied for the sheet?

No, as close to noone is actually using it, the ideals are off as well as majority of the people incl. Chads arent nailing the ideal



- how to measure ones gonial angle, mandibular plane if the gonion area is rounded ( applies to everyone ) ?

You draw the lines from each part, the ramus and mandible and make them meet each other, regardless of them not touching the gonion. As thats the actual angle Its forming
Using the gonion as the reference point wouldnt represent the true angle and the lines would also exceed the bone

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- if my subnasale is located very forward which would make my profile more convex than it appears to be, whats the approach?

You locate the part thats close to the deepest point of your philtrum, depends for each individual

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- What point of my hairline is considered the start of my Upper Third?

The point where your sparse hair stops and the dense hair starts



- If the lens distortion stops at roughly 6ft why does my IPD for example start decreasing as I step away further?

Because the face occupies fewer pixels, which would also make measurement errors proportionally larger



- If on my resting face my chin appears to exceed the nasion but on the frankfort plane Its further back, which one is the more reliable way to measure

Your resting face, as it heavily depends on your ear & vector placement. The human eye also doesnt perceive profiles by the frankfort plane



- What to do if I cant pinpoint my actual landmarks like the Subnasale or the exact Cheekbone height?

Either draw them on with some sort of pen or put your fingers against them ( the cheekbones )
Opening your mouth to find the exact points of the cheekbones will help you out



- If I have an overbite but Its in a good position when my face is resting, which one should I use for measuring?

Your resting face ( good teeth alignment ) as thats what people perceive



- If my glabella/ chin doesnt have the most forward point but is vertically tall, where should I pinpoint the landmarks

Take the middle of those areas
very accurate.
Let me know what other questions to address

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you should add the midface debate here, majority of raters agreed ideal midface is 0.95-1.02 but i considered this is wrong. a compact midface is not "Unideal" at least if is >1.04, so, if you ask me, the ideal range is 0.95-1.03 or even 1.04
 
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very accurate.

you should add the midface debate here, majority of raters agreed ideal midface is 0.95-1.02 but i considered this is wrong. a compact midface is not "Unideal" at least if is >1.04, so, if you ask me, the ideal range is 0.95-1.03 or even 1.04
I made a thread a year ago addressing it not sure if I still have the same claim

And a compact mfr is indeed a flaw. A little can be tolerated but anything above 1.02 starts to get noticeable and overall is a feminizing trait. A long MFR paired with a good FWHR is the ideal for men

Men on average have longer philtrums/ thinner lips making the midfacial distance longer, Its a dimorphic trait seperating them from women

Thread 'Debunking the Midface Ratio' https://looksmax.org/threads/debunking-the-midface-ratio.1577794/
 
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I made a thread a year ago addressing it not sure if I still have the same claim

And a compact mfr is indeed a flaw. A little can be tolerated but anything above 1.02 starts to get noticeable and overall is a feminizing trait. A long MFR paired with a good FWHR is the ideal
i get your point, but imo 1.03 as a flaw is to strict for men and 0.95 very permissive, overall, compact midface has in most cases a good fwhr, and a long midface in most cases no, but i would say a midface has a good length but a Wider esr/Full lips can screw also like Thin/close set eyes the midface ratio...
tbh we should do what @killcry is saying, Replace Midface for Eme angle, which is more accurate imo.
 
i get your point, but imo 1.03 as a flaw is to strict for men and 0.95 very permissive, overall, compact midface has in most cases a good fwhr, and a long midface in most cases no, but i would say a midface has a good length but a Wider esr/Full lips can screw also like Thin/close set eyes the midface ratio...
tbh we should do what @killcry is saying, Replace Midface for Eme angle, which is more accurate imo.
The eme angle is a good way to measure but Its not always accurate, there are cases where the Midface looks long and so is the MFR but the eme still showing 48 degrees

Same for ideal midfaces paired with full lips showing ratios nearing 44
 
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The eme angle is a good way to measure but Its not always accurate, there are cases where the Midface looks long and so is the MFR but the eme still showing 48 degrees
show example, should be esr tbh
Same for ideal midfaces paired with full lips showing ratios nearing 44
at least eme doesnt get screwed for Lips
mfr is kinda useless now
 
There is such thing as high/ low set ears which are non reliable landmarks for determining the resting face of someone

Same with orbital vectors extending down the face
 
show example, should be esr tbh

at least eme doesnt get screwed for Lips
mfr is kinda useless now
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Saafirs midface looks balanced unlike the girl who looks like a horse
 
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sahir a midface of 0.98 is not compact. and for the girl cant be measure because she has a slightly open mouth, if you aim at the middle should be 47-46
0.93+ is considered compact enough, thats what we were talking about in the first place

Open mouth isnt the issue as thats only the lower lip doing the movement, the upper lip stays steady
 
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0.93+ is considered compact enough, thats what we were talking about in the first place

Open mouth isnt the issue as thats only the lower lip doing the movement, the upper lip stays steady
wtf? 0.93+ how that compact?:forcedsmile:, 0.93+ is in the long way
Open mouth isnt the issue as thats only the lower lip doing the movement, the upper lip stays steady
Screenshot 20260915 154737 ImageMeter Pro you can see clearly the lip is more up than his natural closed mouth
 

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