Advice for Engineering Students UK

[DharkDC]

The only reason this thread is being made is because I don’t forget.


If you are a student studying engineering or planning on doing it in the UK, I want you to be aware of things.

Industry Standard:

The industry standard is not BEng, it’s a MEng or BEng + MSc. It’s done that way to plug kids straight into professional Chartership to increase billables and shareholder profits. Any of those lucky enough to become an engineer @ BEng level will be subject to ‘accelerated educational’ program, that’ll help them become Chartered without the masters requirement.

[SIDENOTE - I’ve never seen this shit happen, the BEng guy just gets pimped out and never reaches chartership unless he gets MSc himself]

The ‘Lucky ones’ are actually the top of the class or the ones who got a return offer from their internship.

State of UK:

Productivity, the UK does not have any productive industries at the time of 2025. Manufacturing, Civil Infrastructure and a bunch of other industries are declining. Combine that with the recent global affairs, Ukraine war affecting supply chains. Aftermath of Covid and the rise of AI. The future for engineering is very bleak.

On the civil/contractor side, the Ukraine war caused a lot supply chain issues, materials are harder to source. Result of this means the government, big corporations and countries (Qatar) aren’t going to invest in construction, unless it’s pivotal like HS2 or new housing schemes caused by mass immigration.

Aftermath of Covid has created a new method of working. Work from home and Hybrid working. If you plan to work as a design consultant. You’ll be competing with the mumbai and Shanghai bandits. It’ll become more prominent with mid level design firms. Detailed design work is offshored to India and china. This has been going on for a long time for huge consultancies like Jacobs or Arup. They have offices in India only for design work. In the event of these office being overwhelmed with the work, the sweatshops subcontract to local firms within the area. As a UK engineer, you will never touch design work.

AI cope has gotten real bad. In academia, use of AI tools is looked down upon, but almost every industry is utilising it. There’s a lot of money going into machine learning and very soon all the technical deliverables done by a team, will be done automated and overseen by 1 senior engineer. It won’t be to retain talent or skill, but have to have someone liable for when shit hits the fan.



Engineering Shortage:

Whilst engineering is a pretty good degree to get, high on ROI, confidence, discipline, problem solving skills, time management etc. But there are no shortages of graduates. It’s a lie parroted by schools, immigrants parents, the media, any faggot without one.

According to a 2014 study, only 50 percent of graduates land an engineering role. There isn’t even a version for ‘reasons’. The now number is a lot lower 50, maybe 10-8%. My cohort of 150 students, excluding MEng or internship, only 1 person got an engineering job, and that’s due to nepotism.

Is it worth it?

Engineering is a hard degree, so much harder than the other ones it’s not comparable. The disparity in time and effort compared to a random BSc is insane. I would not recommend it, you’ll end up in the same circles as sally with her marketing degree if u dont make it into engineering.

Whats with engineering shortage?

I don’t understand why the lie was pushed, Accreditation bodies wanting more membership money? Corporations treating the grad pool like shit to find the obedient ones? Schools trying to boost their ‘ofsted’ score? If you made it this far, please offer some insights.


TLDR:
Your cooked without a masters
Engineering as industry in the uk is on decline
There’s no shortage of engineers
Not really worth it

 

[Thinking_CEL]

Holy shit nigga the dedication is there but what are the odds that this forum of 90% curries and maybe a very small British userbase

Considering that even the British users a very small minority will be thinking of doing that specifically

So this whole ass thread is probably directed towards 1 single user who won’t ever find it anyway

 

[DharkDC]

Holy shit nigga the dedication is there but what are the odds that this forum of 90% curries and maybe a very small British userbase

Considering that even the British users a very small minority will be thinking of doing that specifically

So this whole ass thread is probably directed towards 1 single user who won’t ever find it anyway

The only reason this thread is being made is because I don’t forget

anyway, if someone was having similar thoughts, it’ll come up on google search bar, instead of getting taken down by Reddit.

 

[Thinking_CEL]

anyway, if someone was having similar thoughts, it’ll come up on google search bar, instead of getting taken down by Reddit.

So some Normie will be brought into this forum

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I wish I had seen posts like this before doing Mechanical Engineering at Uni.

Was a very bad decision on my part, and will drop out by the end of the year, not because I can't do it, but because, for the effort required, in comparison to other paths, it is just not worth it.

TBH I don't really know what job I want to do, but I don't want to be stuck behind a fucking desk for life.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Agree on most points.

I make 40k with MEng and that’s a hard cap without chartership which is, to me, more effort than it’s worth and the member fees are outrageous.

I still do design because frankly everyone recognises the pajeets are just shit at it and will take 5 times as long, need hand holding every step of the way, and cost you more overall.

AI is useful but its ability to write absolute shit with complete confidence is dangerous.

There was never an engineering shortage since 2007 or so. It’s a huge lie to push down costs.

Shit career, don’t pick it. Medicine or finance ONLY, or even better - become a plumber or electrician and charge £100 an hour.

 

[upcoming gooner]

l advise, its all about gooning

 

[DharkDC]

Agree on most points.

I make 40k with MEng and that’s a hard cap without chartership which is, to me, more effort than it’s worth and the member fees are outrageous.

I still do design because frankly everyone recognises the pajeets are just shit at it and will take 5 times as long, need hand holding every step of the way, and cost you more overall.

AI is useful but its ability to write absolute shit with complete confidence is dangerous.

There was never an engineering shortage since 2007 or so. It’s a huge lie to push down costs.

Shit career, don’t pick it. Medicine or finance ONLY, or even better - become a plumber or electrician and charge £100 an hour.

I don’t know enough about design side, but I’m dead serious about pajeet and detailed design. Your preliminary or drawings may get done by UK office, but arup and them have offices where the detailed shit is done, and this was before Covid.

You can imagine how advanced this practice is going to get in the future. Same with AI, had ChatGPT try to design a concrete frame for a hotel 2 years ago, didn’t work. But it had the correct eurocode formulas for each structural member, it just couldn’t assign the the values to what I wanted. Shit scared me enough to chase a career in construction.

AI is here and it’s being used in all industries. I don’t wanna be a doomer, but I’d chase chartership and move into management.

 

[Foreverbrad]

I don’t know enough about design side, but I’m dead serious about pajeet and detailed design. Your preliminary or drawings may get done by UK office, but arup and them have offices where the detailed shit is done, and this was before Covid.

You can imagine how advanced this practice is going to get in the future. Same with AI, had ChatGPT try to design a concrete frame for a hotel 2 years ago, didn’t work. But it had the correct eurocode formulas for each structural member, it just couldn’t assign the the values to what I wanted. Shit scared me enough to chase a career in construction.

AI is here and it’s being used in all industries. I don’t wanna be a doomer, but I’d chase chartership and move into management.

Even detail design they cost more than UK resources because they cost half as much but take five times as long. It’s there but it’s pointless.

I cba with chartership, I will make whatever money I can while I can then quit or try and make a move to field service if I still need more money. The UK is so fucked now there is no point even trying to get rich, our whole generation is just barely scraping by while waiting for inheritances, a manager salary today has less purchasing power than minimum wage did a couple decades back…

 

[DharkDC]

I wish I had seen posts like this before doing Mechanical Engineering at Uni.

Was a very bad decision on my part, and will drop out by the end of the year, not because I can't do it, but because, for the effort required, in comparison to other paths, it is just not worth it.

TBH I don't really know what job I want to do, but I don't want to be stuck behind a fucking desk for life.

If u already done 2 years, just suck it up. Not gonna get funding for something else. Worst case is you end up with a degree. If you quit, you have a 2 year gap where you’ll tell anyone who’ll listen ‘I used to study mech eng’

 

[N1666]

@mrmogger2882 its OVER for you

 

[mrmogger2882]

@mrmogger2882 its OVER for you

FUCK. But this is a lie. OP doesn’t know what he is talking about he only bring up Civil in the decline which has been happening for a long time. Engineering isn’t limited just to engineering jobs. You can go on do consulting, sales, finance, quant, project manager, tech, data analyst and etc. AND NOTICE HOW HE ONLY BOUGHT UP STATS FOR NO SHORTAGE.

The only reason this thread is being made is because I don’t forget.


If you are a student studying engineering or planning on doing it in the UK, I want you to be aware of things.

Industry Standard:

The industry standard is not BEng, it’s a MEng or BEng + MSc. It’s done that way to plug kids straight into professional Chartership to increase billables and shareholder profits. Any of those lucky enough to become an engineer @ BEng level will be subject to ‘accelerated educational’ program, that’ll help them become Chartered without the masters requirement.

[SIDENOTE - I’ve never seen this shit happen, the BEng guy just gets pimped out and never reaches chartership unless he gets MSc himself]

The ‘Lucky ones’ are actually the top of the class or the ones who got a return offer from their internship.

90% of engineer always do a MEng or Beng+MSc like you said so that doesn't matter.

If your not at the top of the class or near it, your SIMPLY not cut for it. And getting an internship isn't luck its hardwork via through: Online assessments, Video interviews, Assessment centres and then the final interview. And obviously you are going to be applying to 12+ internships with all different stages/prep.

State of UK:

Productivity, the UK does not have any productive industries at the time of 2025. Manufacturing, Civil Infrastructure and a bunch of other industries are declining. Combine that with the recent global affairs, Ukraine war affecting supply chains. Aftermath of Covid and the rise of AI. The future for engineering is very bleak.

On the civil/contractor side, the Ukraine war caused a lot supply chain issues, materials are harder to source. Result of this means the government, big corporations and countries (Qatar) aren’t going to invest in construction, unless it’s pivotal like HS2 or new housing schemes caused by mass immigration.

Aftermath of Covid has created a new method of working. Work from home and Hybrid working. If you plan to work as a design consultant. You’ll be competing with the mumbai and Shanghai bandits. It’ll become more prominent with mid level design firms. Detailed design work is offshored to India and china. This has been going on for a long time for huge consultancies like Jacobs or Arup. They have offices in India only for design work. In the event of these office being overwhelmed with the work, the sweatshops subcontract to local firms within the area. As a UK engineer, you will never touch design work.

AI cope has gotten real bad. In academia, use of AI tools is looked down upon, but almost every industry is utilising it. There’s a lot of money going into machine learning and very soon all the technical deliverables done by a team, will be done automated and overseen by 1 senior engineer. It won’t be to retain talent or skill, but have to have someone liable for when shit hits the fan.

It's common knowledge Civil Engineering is on the decline (WATER NIGGA). But there are still infrastructure being built like the HS2, Thames Tideway Tunnel, Lower Thames Crossing, London Gateway Port Building Extensions, London Gatwick Airport Northern Runway, London Data Freeport, Fen Lane Data Centre Campus. Also the Birmingham Metro that was built just before the common wealth. There are just the big billions of £ projects that are happening (not the Birmingham Metro) right now which requires 300+ engineers with interns. So imgaine the small millions of £ projects that are happening around the UK.

What does the Ukraine situation have to do with engineering jobs? If you are talking about it making Engineers lose their jobs, I wasn't able to find any news reports. This situation is only temporary and will be resolved in the next up and coming years. However, the UK has increased its Defence 3 months back(https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-defence-spending-2-5-of-gdp-target/) so more jobs for manufactures, aerospace, mechanical engineering, electrical and etc. Don't forget the UK defence have outsourced their works to:

• Airbus
• ALS Mechatronic
• Amey
• Baker Hicks
• Carallon
• Clare Energy
• Cogent Mechatronic
• Collins Aerospace
• Cummins

I can name more if you want

Yes you are right design are pretty much all outsourced to China and India, so don't opt out for going into engineering design. However the main point of engineering like planning, regulations, quality inspections are done in Europe and America which can never be outsourced most of the time. A firm/company will enver source 100% maybe max 10% of it work to China or India due to it's damaging repuation to the firm/company and safety risks.


I WILL PROOF READ, REPLY LATER I NEED TO GO EAT

 

[N1666]

FUCK. But this is a lie. OP doesn’t know what he is talking about he only bring up Civil in the decline which has been happening for a long time. Engineering isn’t limited just to engineering jobs. You can go on do consulting, sales, finance, quant, project manager, tech, data analyst and etc. AND NOTICE HOW HE ONLY BOUGHT UP STATS FOR NO SHORTAGE.



90% of engineer always do a MEng or Beng+MSc like you said so that doesn't matter.

If your not at the top of the class or near it, your SIMPLY not cut for it. And getting an internship isn't luck its hardwork via through: Online assessments, Video interviews, Assessment centres and then the final interview. And obviously you are going to be applying to 12+ internships with all different stages/prep.


It's common knowledge Civil Engineering is on the decline (WATER NIGGA). But there are still infrastructure being built like the HS2, Thames Tideway Tunnel, Lower Thames Crossing, London Gateway Port Building Extensions, London Gatwick Airport Northern Runway, London Data Freeport, Fen Lane Data Centre Campus. Also the Birmingham Metro that was built just before the common wealth. There are just the big billions of £ projects that are happening (not the Birmingham Metro) right now which requires 300+ engineers with interns. So imgaine the small millions of £ projects that are happening around the UK.

What does the Ukraine situation have to do with engineering jobs? If you are talking about it making Engineers lose their jobs, I wasn't able to find any news reports. This situation is only temporary and will be resolved in the next up and coming years. However, the UK has increased its Defence 3 months back(https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-defence-spending-2-5-of-gdp-target/) so more jobs for manufactures, aerospace, mechanical engineering, electrical and etc. Don't forget the UK defence have outsourced their works to:

• Airbus
• ALS Mechatronic
• Amey
• Baker Hicks
• Carallon
• Clare Energy
• Cogent Mechatronic
• Collins Aerospace
• Cummins

I can name more if you want

Yes you are right design are pretty much all outsourced to China and India, so don't opt out for going into engineering design. However the main point of engineering like planning, regulations, quality inspections are done in Europe and America which can never be outsourced most of the time. A firm/company will enver source 100% maybe max 10% of it work to China or India due to it's damaging repuation to the firm/company and safety risks.


I WILL PROOF READ, REPLY LATER I NEED TO GO EAT

Dnrd, you should’ve gone into dentistry.

 

[DharkDC]

FUCK. But this is a lie. OP doesn’t know what he is talking about he only bring up Civil in the decline which has been happening for a long time. Engineering isn’t limited just to engineering jobs. You can go on do consulting, sales, finance, quant, project manager, tech, data analyst and etc. AND NOTICE HOW HE ONLY BOUGHT UP STATS FOR NO SHORTAGE.



90% of engineer always do a MEng or Beng+MSc like you said so that doesn't matter.

If your not at the top of the class or near it, your SIMPLY not cut for it. And getting an internship isn't luck its hardwork via through: Online assessments, Video interviews, Assessment centres and then the final interview. And obviously you are going to be applying to 12+ internships with all different stages/prep.


It's common knowledge Civil Engineering is on the decline (WATER NIGGA). But there are still infrastructure being built like the HS2, Thames Tideway Tunnel, Lower Thames Crossing, London Gateway Port Building Extensions, London Gatwick Airport Northern Runway, London Data Freeport, Fen Lane Data Centre Campus. Also the Birmingham Metro that was built just before the common wealth. There are just the big billions of £ projects that are happening (not the Birmingham Metro) right now which requires 300+ engineers with interns. So imgaine the small millions of £ projects that are happening around the UK.

What does the Ukraine situation have to do with engineering jobs? If you are talking about it making Engineers lose their jobs, I wasn't able to find any news reports. This situation is only temporary and will be resolved in the next up and coming years. However, the UK has increased its Defence 3 months back(https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-defence-spending-2-5-of-gdp-target/) so more jobs for manufactures, aerospace, mechanical engineering, electrical and etc. Don't forget the UK defence have outsourced their works to:

• Airbus
• ALS Mechatronic
• Amey
• Baker Hicks
• Carallon
• Clare Energy
• Cogent Mechatronic
• Collins Aerospace
• Cummins

I can name more if you want

Yes you are right design are pretty much all outsourced to China and India, so don't opt out for going into engineering design. However the main point of engineering like planning, regulations, quality inspections are done in Europe and America which can never be outsourced most of the time. A firm/company will enver source 100% maybe max 10% of it work to China or India due to it's damaging repuation to the firm/company and safety risks.


I WILL PROOF READ, REPLY LATER I NEED TO GO EAT

I’m not god or whatever, I can speak for my field and one adjacent like MEP and Manufacturing.

I literally wrote this all on my phone in 20 minutes, sorry for no academic references.

My advice is to engineering students. Any of the additional careers you mentioned, anyone can get in with a humanities degree in art.

the majority of the graduates jobs advertised are BEng only, but behind the scenes, your application is getting auto binned because of no masters. It’s not common knowledge which is the point of the thread. “90% of engineers” having a masters is because that’s who they selected and that’s what you need to progress in your career.

The internship process isn’t rocket science. I noticed everyone that landed one had a drivers’s license. You think people on engineering courses are failing numerical and verbal reasoning tests? The tests aren’t tailored to job, they’re subcontracted from some recruitment agency, so it’s the same ones everyone is doing.

All that is a front to autobin candidates without a licence and the very clearly retarded ones. The one way video interviews filter out unprofessional ones. The ones who make it to the assessment center are selected luck of the draw. HR is not reading every CV that they come across.

I’ve handed in my paper evaluating the HRM techniques used in recruitment and selection for graduate engineers.

HS2 and all those other projects are key infrastructures that cannot fail. HS2 is there to relieve the pressure on the existing lines and improve national connectivity and boost economic activity. Tideway Tunnel was mandated by the EU and almost complete by brexit. Even without the mandate, Thames is environmentally unsafe and at risk of flooding in future.

All of these infrastructure projects you’ve named are ones imperative. Without them, the nation will crumble, that’s why there’s a lot of corruption around them. Contractors can embezzle 100m for a bag tunnel and the government will foot the bill like 2008.

There are no small projects going on. It’s either residential or national infrastructure. The building projects were funded internationally or by PPP. Anything you’re seeing now is asset maintenance or some project approved in 2005 finally finding legs after a local authority saved up their pennies in their little piggy bank.

In the UK, we are reliant on trade, all of our materials are exported. We don’t even have solid manufacturing. When Russia increased oil prices as result of UK support, costs went up and prices increased. CEOs don’t wanna tell their shareholders that profit margins are going decrease, so they’re less inclined to on take more work.

Even so, it was just announced the world temp has risen over 1.5°c margin for global warming, so strong actions must be taken. The price of oil will increase like crazy to disincentivize use, and countries that import are gonna get bumfucked on prices.

Aerospace is the tiniest discipline of mechanical engineering, the industry can grow by 1000% and it won’t even be a drop in the bucket. That industry is for the cream of the cum.

The majority of non-civil engineers Electrical and Mechanical work in buildings, in a unit MEP, under civil contractors, they aren’t designing grids or weapons of mass destruction. They’re designing electrical systems in primary schools.

I don’t know wtf you’re on, you’re a delusional student who prolly hasn’t made through 2nd year.

 

[mrmogger2882]

I’m not god or whatever, I can speak for my field and one adjacent like MEP and Manufacturing.

I literally wrote this all on my phone in 20 minutes, sorry for no academic references.

My advice is to engineering students. Any of the additional careers you mentioned, anyone can get in with a humanities degree in art.

the majority of the graduates jobs advertised are BEng only, but behind the scenes, your application is getting auto binned because of no masters. It’s not common knowledge which is the point of the thread. “90% of engineers” having a masters is because that’s who they selected and that’s what you need to progress in your career.

The internship process isn’t rocket science. I noticed everyone that landed one had a drivers’s license. You think people on engineering courses are failing numerical and verbal reasoning tests? The tests aren’t tailored to job, they’re subcontracted from some recruitment agency, so it’s the same ones everyone is doing.

All that is a front to autobin candidates without a licence and the very clearly retarded ones. The one way video interviews filter out unprofessional ones. The ones who make it to the assessment center are selected luck of the draw. HR is not reading every CV that they come across.

I’ve handed in my paper evaluating the HRM techniques used in recruitment and selection for graduate engineers.

HS2 and all those other projects are key infrastructures that cannot fail. HS2 is there to relieve the pressure on the existing lines and improve national connectivity and boost economic activity. Tideway Tunnel was mandated by the EU and almost complete by brexit. Even without the mandate, Thames is environmentally unsafe and at risk of flooding in future.

All of these infrastructure projects you’ve named are ones imperative. Without them, the nation will crumble, that’s why there’s a lot of corruption around them. Contractors can embezzle 100m for a bag tunnel and the government will foot the bill like 2008.

There are no small projects going on. It’s either residential or national infrastructure. The building projects were funded internationally or by PPP. Anything you’re seeing now is asset maintenance or some project approved in 2005 finally finding legs after a local authority saved up their pennies in their little piggy bank.

In the UK, we are reliant on trade, all of our materials are exported. We don’t even have solid manufacturing. When Russia increased oil prices as result of UK support, costs went up and prices increased. CEOs don’t wanna tell their shareholders that profit margins are going decrease, so they’re less inclined to on take more work.

Even so, it was just announced the world temp has risen over 1.5°c margin for global warming, so strong actions must be taken. The price of oil will increase like crazy to disincentivize use, and countries that import are gonna get bumfucked on prices.

Aerospace is the tiniest discipline of mechanical engineering, the industry can grow by 1000% and it won’t even be a drop in the bucket. That industry is for the cream of the cum.

The majority of non-civil engineers Electrical and Mechanical work in buildings, in a unit MEP, under civil contractors, they aren’t designing grids or weapons of mass destruction. They’re designing electrical systems in primary schools.

I don’t know wtf you’re on, you’re a delusional student who prolly hasn’t made through 2nd year.

Yh im a first year student. So instead of doing electrical engineering what should I do?

 

[DharkDC]

Yh im a first year student. So instead of doing electrical engineering what should I do?

TLDR:
Your cooked without a masters
Engineering as industry in the uk is on decline
There’s no shortage of engineers
Not really worth it

 

[Johanjohan]

Medicine is shit aswell.

Only finance is good, or becoming an electrician or working in HR

Indians and ethnics dont like finance / blue collar jobs since its low status in their countries.

Doctor/dentist and engineer is high status in india and middle east so all ethnics go for those careers so you have to compete with 1 billion indians.

 

[DharkDC]

Medicine is shit aswell.

Only finance is good, or becoming an electrician or working in HR

Indians and ethnics dont like finance / blue collar jobs since its low status in their countries.

Doctor/dentist and engineer is high status in india and middle east so all ethnics go for those careers so you have to compete with 1 billion indians.

You speaking from experience?

 

[RICHCELDOM]

I wanna go back do masters in data science possibly

 

[mrmogger2882]

TLDR:
Your cooked without a masters
Engineering as industry in the uk is on decline
There’s no shortage of engineers
Not really worth it

Yh I’m planning to do a MEng hopefully I can do a Mphil instead. If not gonna do a master in computational finance/mathematical finance that’s plan B (lmk your thoughts).

Coming a good uni I would expect for some grad schemes as my professor told me many success stories

 

[Johanjohan]

You speaking from experience?

Tons of ethnics study at some shady medical school in east europe then come back

Its high status in the middle east to be a doctor/dentist so they all want to be one

Medicine is one of the worst careers unless you live in canada or australia

 

[DharkDC]

Yh I’m planning to do a MEng hopefully I can do a Mphil instead. If not gonna do a master in computational finance/mathematical finance that’s plan B (lmk your thoughts).

Coming a good uni I would expect for some grad schemes as my professor told me many success stories

If your intention is to make into finance, then divert your energy over there. Earlier you start, the better. Do those spring weeks, try to grab internships and go to those networking events. I can't tell u more, cause it's not my industry.

If you want to become an engineer, even after all this shit i told you.
Work on getting your licence as soon as the term ends in april.
During the summer, work on your CV and refine, refine, refine. List out roles your interested in and tailor a cv to each them. Highlight relevant modules and soft skills.
By sept, you should have your licence, and pre-written cvs. You can always put Oxbridge in white font and submit as pdf
Start application process and do your pyschometric tests early. I'd blow off any schoolwork and priotise getting YII applications from sept to early dec
Do your further interviews in spring and have fun with your 4+ offers.

come back and finish 3rd and 4th year. Enjoy return offer or go to a different company. Your cream of cum now.

 

[DharkDC]

Tons of ethnics study at some shady medical school in east europe then come back

Its high status in the middle east to be a doctor/dentist so they all want to be one

Medicine is one of the worst careers unless you live in canada or australia

Dawg, if you haven't studied or practiced medicine. Don't speak on it. Go to off-topic

 

[Johanjohan]

Dawg, if you haven't studied or practiced medicine. Don't speak on it. Go to off-topic

Everything I said is legit, check the junior doctor strikes in uk

UK is flooding the country with cheap indian doctors while cutting the doctor wages in NHS to save money

 

[chadlitemaxxing]

The only reason this thread is being made is because I don’t forget.


If you are a student studying engineering or planning on doing it in the UK, I want you to be aware of things.

Industry Standard:

The industry standard is not BEng, it’s a MEng or BEng + MSc. It’s done that way to plug kids straight into professional Chartership to increase billables and shareholder profits. Any of those lucky enough to become an engineer @ BEng level will be subject to ‘accelerated educational’ program, that’ll help them become Chartered without the masters requirement.

[SIDENOTE - I’ve never seen this shit happen, the BEng guy just gets pimped out and never reaches chartership unless he gets MSc himself]

The ‘Lucky ones’ are actually the top of the class or the ones who got a return offer from their internship.

State of UK:

Productivity, the UK does not have any productive industries at the time of 2025. Manufacturing, Civil Infrastructure and a bunch of other industries are declining. Combine that with the recent global affairs, Ukraine war affecting supply chains. Aftermath of Covid and the rise of AI. The future for engineering is very bleak.

On the civil/contractor side, the Ukraine war caused a lot supply chain issues, materials are harder to source. Result of this means the government, big corporations and countries (Qatar) aren’t going to invest in construction, unless it’s pivotal like HS2 or new housing schemes caused by mass immigration.

Aftermath of Covid has created a new method of working. Work from home and Hybrid working. If you plan to work as a design consultant. You’ll be competing with the mumbai and Shanghai bandits. It’ll become more prominent with mid level design firms. Detailed design work is offshored to India and china. This has been going on for a long time for huge consultancies like Jacobs or Arup. They have offices in India only for design work. In the event of these office being overwhelmed with the work, the sweatshops subcontract to local firms within the area. As a UK engineer, you will never touch design work.

AI cope has gotten real bad. In academia, use of AI tools is looked down upon, but almost every industry is utilising it. There’s a lot of money going into machine learning and very soon all the technical deliverables done by a team, will be done automated and overseen by 1 senior engineer. It won’t be to retain talent or skill, but have to have someone liable for when shit hits the fan.



Engineering Shortage:

Whilst engineering is a pretty good degree to get, high on ROI, confidence, discipline, problem solving skills, time management etc. But there are no shortages of graduates. It’s a lie parroted by schools, immigrants parents, the media, any faggot without one.

According to a 2014 study, only 50 percent of graduates land an engineering role. There isn’t even a version for ‘reasons’. The now number is a lot lower 50, maybe 10-8%. My cohort of 150 students, excluding MEng or internship, only 1 person got an engineering job, and that’s due to nepotism.

Is it worth it?

Engineering is a hard degree, so much harder than the other ones it’s not comparable. The disparity in time and effort compared to a random BSc is insane. I would not recommend it, you’ll end up in the same circles as sally with her marketing degree if u dont make it into engineering.

Whats with engineering shortage?

I don’t understand why the lie was pushed, Accreditation bodies wanting more membership money? Corporations treating the grad pool like shit to find the obedient ones? Schools trying to boost their ‘ofsted’ score? If you made it this far, please offer some insights.


TLDR:
Your cooked without a masters
Engineering as industry in the uk is on decline
There’s no shortage of engineers
Not really worth it

i got an offer from UCL for electronics and elec engineering for Meng (i think) is it bad or good

 

[Saint Casanova]

Every good engineering student I know went into finance jfl

 

[Saint Casanova]

i got an offer from UCL for electronics and elec engineering for Meng (i think) is it bad or good

Good. UCL is a strong uni. You’ll probably get on an engineering grad scheme with that but you can also go into finance since UCL is a target

 

[chadlitemaxxing]

Good. UCL is a strong uni. You’ll probably get on an engineering grad scheme with that but you can also go into finance since UCL is a target

right i am waiting for usa unis for now i applied to uk jfl but if it doesnt work out for usa most probably will head there and yeah finance thinkin abt it

 

[DharkDC]

Everything I said is legit, check the junior doctor strikes in uk

UK is flooding the country with cheap indian doctors while cutting the doctor wages in NHS to save money

You can say shit like this without blanket statements like that. This thread is for educatating, so refrain from statements like "medicine is shit". Essentially, elaborate more with sources since you don't have a background in med.

Medicine is shit aswell.

Only finance is good, or becoming an electrician or working in HR

Indians and ethnics dont like finance / blue collar jobs since its low status in their countries.

Doctor/dentist and engineer is high status in india and middle east so all ethnics go for those careers so you have to compete with 1 billion indians.

 

[Saint Casanova]

The problem isn’t just with engineering. It’s with most careers except finance, law or consulting in the UK. The pay and progression is horrid and long compared to other countries.

And even with Law or finance, the hours are disgusting. You’ll destroy your looks for money you won’t have time to use. It’s just a bleak country and system that we have.

 

[Johanjohan]

You can say shit like this without blanket statements like that. This thread is for educatating, so refrain from statements like "medicine is shit". Essentially, elaborate more with sources since you don't have a background in med.

Have you been living under a rock the past 5 years? Google junior doctor strikes uk

 

[Johanjohan]

The problem isn’t just with engineering. It’s with most careers except finance, law or consulting in the UK. The pay and progression is horrid and long compared to other countries.

And even with Law or finance, the hours are disgusting. You’ll destroy your looks for money you won’t have time to use. It’s just a bleak country and system that we have.

Legit, finance is the only good career these days.

The clown in OP thinks medicine is a good career, maybe it was in the 1980s but the government has been cutting doctor salaries to save money

 

[Saint Casanova]

Legit, finance is the only good career these days.

The clown in OP thinks medicine is a good career, maybe it was in the 1980s but the government has been cutting doctor salaries to save money

If you want medicine to be a good career, you need to privatise the NHS. Only option.

Unless you’re the top 2 percent who spends 15 years to specialise or opens a practice in Harley street

 

[Johanjohan]

If you want medicine to be a good career, you need to privatise the NHS. Only option.

Unless you’re the top 2 percent who spends 15 years to specialise or opens a practice in Harley street

Well said

 

[Saint Casanova]

Legit, finance is the only good career these days.

The clown in OP thinks medicine is a good career, maybe it was in the 1980s but the government has been cutting doctor salaries to save money

I think insurance can be quite good. Like being an actuary but only once you qualify and you need to be very good at maths. The hours are easier than high finance or corp law

 

[DharkDC]

Have you been living under a rock the past 5 years? Google junior doctor strikes uk

Not the point. I don't want people piggybacking off this thread to give some opinion they heard from their illerate auntie. I'm trying to give actual advice. Ik medicine is bleak, but it's not my industry and i don't want to promote misinfomation

 

[Johanjohan]

I think insurance can be quite good. Like being an actuary but only once you qualify and you need to be very good at maths. The hours are easier than high finance or corp law

The best careers are the ones who arent flooded with curries to be honest
Engineering, medicine, dentistry is very popular in india/middle east and we are importing millions from these countries every year.

Finance, law and economics is not popular in india and you work in private companies.

 

[Saint Casanova]

The best careers are the ones who arent flooded with curries to be honest
Engineering, medicine, dentistry is very popular in india/middle east and we are importing millions from these countries every year.

Finance, law and economics is not popular in india and you work in private companies.

People are getting very fed up with these curries . Hopefully action is taken against them but I doubt it. It benefits the corporations and elites

 

[DharkDC]

The problem isn’t just with engineering. It’s with most careers except finance, law or consulting in the UK. The pay and progression is horrid and long compared to other countries.
And even with Law or finance, the hours are disgusting. You’ll destroy your looks for money you won’t have time to use. It’s just a bleak country and system that we have.

I get it, but the difference is they did piss easy degrees, but if i persue something outside of engineering, my degree is going to hold no weight as apposed to Sally with a history degree. Might even negatively affect me as the general concencious is STEM=No Soft Skills.

You are right, but you and @Johanjohan conpletely derailing this thread. Create a different one about the careers in UK, link it and i'll be happy to discuss that, but leave this to engineers.

 

[JohnDoe]

Medicine is the only futureproof field

 

[DharkDC]

Obviously one of my other concerns is that engineering institutional bodies “Imeche, ICE, IChemE” require masters for chartership, as opposed to other professions like accountants where u do exams or law were u only need a certificate.

I could understand the whole bachelor requirement, but at masters level, the things you learn are super detailed and not applicable to industry, and the quality of the degree varies from institution.

That’s super obvious right, but if u look at people in industry, actual engineers. They’re from some 50th - 100th percentile uni, with a masters from their hometown.

What does that mean?

Employers don’t care about the university, or your masters, it’s just a box ticker. I believe the emphasis on a masters being industry standard is collusion as result of collusion between accredited bodies and big corporations to lock graduates in engineering. Improve retention rates without incentives for pay.

As you know, if u have a masters, u cannot get funding for a new masters. So if sally graduates at BEng and becomes an engineer, but realises it not for her, she could go back to uni and do a conversion degree and go into tech or law or whatever. However, if she graduated at MEng, she’s going to have a hard time trying to leverage her technical skills into something more lucrative without proof like an MSc within that area.

TDLR
University doesn’t even matter unless oxbridge
Masters is there to lock you in industry not increase competency
Your accredited body is corrupt

 

[Foreverbrad]

Tbh some professions do have it even worse such as architects who need a Masters AND to do professional exams AND get paid very little.

Another brutal aspect of MEng is that it’s not internationally recognised as a masters degree so you can’t even escape this shithole country to a place where engineers are paid decent like USA. You’d be competing against Pajeets for H1B anyway of course.

 

[DharkDC]

Tbh some professions do have it even worse such as architects who need a Masters AND to do professional exams AND get paid very little.

Another brutal aspect of MEng is that it’s not internationally recognised as a masters degree so you can’t even escape this shithole country to a place where engineers are paid decent like USA. You’d be competing against Pajeets for H1B anyway of course.

It’s a bit joke, but you really blame them? MEng isn’t specialised and missing a research component. It’s just an extra undergraduate year. No new skills being learned outside of BEng. Just grind more exams. It’s not on the same scale as an actual MSc.

It’s a well thought out scam. 18 year olds can’t even critically think until after the course is over.